zanacal...question for you :)

Hi. You gave me a little hope when you said you conceived a daughter even though your DH had high PH. Did you sway? What was your attempt like? My ph is still 7.5 right after we BD. Perhaps I am getting mostly semen? But I had put Rephresh in 4 hours before the attempt and was 4.5 right before....so he must have ph off the chart. ARGH...this is frustrating. I put a finger Rephresh after our attempt....but I just know I have no chance to get a girl. I just wanted a 50/50 shot and I feel he is all boy. LOL. Anyway, I would love to hear (if you don't mind sharing) how you conceived your DD. Thanks!

Her sway is posted in the girl sway forum. ;)

Hi - as Annabel said, my sway is in the girl sway forum.

I don't believe pH matters too much and I didn't test it close to my attempt (either before or after) because I believe the obsessing can raise testosterone and lower testosterone for a girl has more evidence than lower pH for a girl!

That said, I last used Rephresh 2 days before our attempt and I used 1/4 applicator of Aci-jel the night before and I did a Jump and Dump afterwards - I wanted to only have one attempt and do a Jump and Dump to limit the amount of semen in me. Are you using an antihistimine? The gels help to keep pH low in the V but I don't think that matters for more than a few minutes as the sperm are on their way pretty quickly. An antihistimine dries you up throughout your body and not just in that one area.

Oh and I don't think a combined pH of 7.5 is too shabby anyway!

Thank you. I read through your sway and see that your DH took some supplements to try and bring down his ph -- so awesome of him! I think it's too late for me since I'm expected to O on the 24th.

I used zyrtec with my other 2 attempts (O+12) but it dried me up soo much, and since I started using the RepHresh I have very little EWCM so figured maybe I didn't need an antihistamine to dry it up more. Hmmmm, you think I should take it? Which one did you take? Maybe I will take some...I'm totally freaking out now that all these boy swimmers are hanging out waiting for that egg....which antihistamine to people recommend the most?

I know I need to chill so I don't raise testosterone -- but I never swayed before...first time it was a "let's just pull the goalie and see what happens" and we got pregnant, second time was a momentarily lapse in judgement one night and poof, baby. So, I was not stressed or even thought about pregnancy too much to conceive the boys....do you think the opposite, stressing, might help sway girl? LOL

Ok, I'm rethinking my sway and would love your advice. Here's how we got the boys (I never tested OPK so who knows when I really ovulated, but this was based on the website I used to track my AF).

DS1: we BD'd on days O-3 and O.
DS2: we BD'd on day O-3 (I think, originally I thought it was O-5 but I think I had a shorter cycle that month which is how I got pregnant unexpectedly)

Attempt 3: So far we have BD'd on days O-8, O-7, O-4, O-3...and now what, HELP! Should I do one or two more days and cut-off or stop. Maybe I shouldn't stop here bec looks like O-3 is BOY for me!

I don't think it matters at all when you DTD in relation to O, it's the other stuff you have going on which matters. I can't remember whether you said DH was doing anything to lower sperm count, is he releasing on the days you don't DTD? That's important imo.

I'm thinking the O-8 and O-7 were likely too far away from O to get pregnant so you've had a couple of attempts in your fertile period. Are you wanting to have a cut-off or keep DTD until you've ovulated? If you want a cut-off then I would have at least one more attempt at O-2. Are you certain of when you'll O? If not, another tactic would be to keep DTD and make the last attempt the night of your +OPK - or just have DH release until then and make the night of your +OPK your 3rd attempt. It all depends how many attempts you want to have. I was happier having less attempts but moving them closer to O to stand a better chance of getting pregnant.

I would take a Zyrtek - probably over using the Rephresh for the reasons I mentioned above.

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Originally Posted by zanacal

I don't think it matters at all when you DTD in relation to O, it's the other stuff you have going on which matters. I can't remember whether you said DH was doing anything to lower sperm count, is he releasing on the days you don't DTD? That's important imo.

Yes, DH is doing frequent release (since before AF, once a day - on the days we don't DTD). Starting yesterday we decided to increase it to 2x release (so he releases 2x, either both times on his own, or once on his own and once inside if we decide to BD). He just took some baby aspirin and cranberry that I got (prob too late, but whatever). Can he take these together, bec now I just saw a post by Atomic not to take them together. Also, I'm confused as to how much baby aspirin should he take?

I'm thinking the O-8 and O-7 were likely too far away from O to get pregnant so you've had a couple of attempts in your fertile period. Are you wanting to have a cut-off or keep DTD until you've ovulated? If you want a cut-off then I would have at least one more attempt at O-2. Are you certain of when you'll O? If not, another tactic would be to keep DTD and make the last attempt the night of your +OPK - or just have DH release until then and make the night of your +OPK your 3rd attempt. It all depends how many attempts you want to have. I was happier having less attempts but moving them closer to O to stand a better chance of getting pregnant.

The past 2 cycles I got a +OPK on D12 & D13 of my cycle, then neg in the evening of D13 (so it looks like my surge lasts about a day and a half. Not sure though exactly when I ovulate since I don't temp or get O pains and my CM doesn't turn creamy, but it does go from EWCM to clear water so I'm not sure if the clear water is when I'm ovulating or following O). I definitely want more than 2 attempts/frequent BD since it was very infrequent with DSs. I have this irrational fear of BDing during a boy moon, bec both my DSs we BD'd on those days...even though I don't believe in Jonas, full/new moon, ions...it's so silly I think I just want opposite of what we did for boys. But, then I read that Frequent BD doesn't really sway girl, is that correct? This was on IG (minervasmom). I also took a look at the actual study from australia on O+12, and to me many girls were born on O or O+1. Maybe timing really doesn't matter...I'm really feeling defeated with this attempted sway bec DHs PH is sooo freaking high...and it's screwing up my nice naturally low ph. And Refresh isn't strong enough to counteract it....either that or our loooong BD sessions are wiping it all out (sorry for TMI). Or maybe the sperm keep coming out? I'm reaching here...

I would take a Zyrtek - probably over using the Rephresh for the reasons I mentioned above.

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I just took a zyrtec will take one a day starting today (I have terrible allergies anyway, so that is good for another reason!

p.s. I just want to say again how grateful I am for your responses and advice!! :)

I don't use IG - I looked at it a couple of times but didn't like it! I completely disagree that frequent BD/frequent release doesn't sway pink - but it has to be frequent enough! It worked for us anyhow :D This is a good thread:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...pink-blue.html

Oh - and it's ok for DH to take aspirin and cranberry together but not DW.

A woman on IG did extensive research studying over 200 charts on fertilityfriend.com and concluded only if you avoid O does it help to sway pink (her name is minervasmom, and I believe she did go on to have a successful girl sway after all of her research). What I also have read over and over on IG is that frequent BD does not sway pink bec of the constant introduction of semen (high ph) into our system which raises our ph levels to sway boy.

But when we're swaying we're usually doing things to counteract that - Rephresh, Antihistimines, Diet etc. - and others to alter hormones like Vitex and Saw Palmetto. I also think that charts don't disclose the full picture, they only show when people DTD (and not releases outside of DW) and they don't tell you anything else about the couple. It would only be valid to compare them if everything else about the couple was the same! I've seen plenty of girls conceived on O day (including my own!). I think in general that most ladies spend way too much time stressing over timing - I do understand the temptation to do that (and I probably did it in the first instance!) but I'm absolutely convinced that timing doesn't matter in the slightest and, if it does, that it's different for each couple. For example, I have very little CM on O day but a tonne of it 3 or 4 days beforehand. I wouldn't DTD with a cut-off of 3-4 days because the EWCM would increase my fertility and sway blue but I'm happy to DTD on O day for the opposite reason.

That is a very valid point!!! Each couple is different. I also have tons of EWCM starting on day 6 or 7, and then ovulation day it's more of just water versus EWCM. But this month I'm not seeing a lot of EWCM, not sure if that is the Rephresh or something else. I'm going to stick to my original crazy plan of only DTD on days of girl moon...so should be 2 more attempts, day of O and O+1. Whatever happens, happens. I just can't make myself crazy anymore with all of this...and at 40, don't have time to spare. I know it's basically a 51/49 shot and with my DH high ph, probably more like a 70/30 shot for us...but hopefully, everything that influences my body and fertility will align and I'll have a baby girl...Happy Holidays and thanks again for listening and your wonderful advice!

You have just as much chance as everybody else - and with your age (sorry!), lack of EWCM etc you stand a really good chance! The pH stuff isn't proven anyway so I'll have my FX for you. I felt there was absolutely no way we'd ever have a girl either :D

1) I agree that many many girls are conceived on O Day and O-1. In fact, at least one study (which is a very well done one from a reliable source) show MORE girls conceived on those days (not that those days sway pink, just that they sure don't sway blue either!) I really do not think timing sways at all. It's been SO studied that if timing did sway, we would all know it by now because it would have been proven beyond shadow of a doubt. That all these studies have failed to find a consistent pattern, to me means that there is no pattern there to find.

2)re Minerva's Mommy and her timing study - ALWAYS keep in mind that there are reasons why people do things aside from swaying. Like a couple who is TTC might be trying actively to get pg and doing a lot of fertility-boosting things that sway blue IN ADDITION to doing frequent BD. Or another couple might BD frequently because both DH and DW are super high in T and have very high sex drives. No sway factor ever exists in a vaccuum. That study was in no way controlled for any variables, what MM did was go back and analyze FF charts looking for timing/BD patterns. WE have no way of knowing how accurate any of that data was or what other factors those couples were utilizing to TTC. Plus, just that those women were using FF is a tiny slice of people anyway who may be somewhat preselected to conceive a baby of a particular gender (either those with fertility challenges who would conceive more daughters, and those who are actively trying to TTC and like to be "in control" and may conceive more sons) and in no way indicative of the population at large.

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Originally Posted by ILindGurl

A woman on IG did extensive research studying over 200 charts on fertilityfriend.com and concluded only if you avoid O does it help to sway pink (her name is minervasmom, and I believe she did go on to have a successful girl sway after all of her research). What I also have read over and over on IG is that frequent BD does not sway pink bec of the constant introduction of semen (high ph) into our system which raises our ph levels to sway boy.

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Well, know this about Minerva's Mom - they had other factors swaying strongly pink for them - already had a daughter and both she and DH had some issues that may have predisposed them to pink to begin with. I won't share them because they're personal for her and I would just rather not but anyone can read her posts publicly on IG and learn her story. I think the reason why she conceived her second daughter had NOTHING to do with timing in any way.

I LOVE her timing study and think it's very helpful and informative, but you can't hang your hat on that study because it's not scientific for all the reasons why I mentioned in my previous post.

Plus, she actually went onto analyze more charts after the first 200 and some of the trends she thought she saw with the first 200 ended up not to be true.

IG thinks that tiny amounts of things you put into your VJ can magically infiltrate your entire repro tract but that IS NOT true. Any more than if you gargle with baking soda and spit it out, that you can change the pH of your stomach acid. It's not how the reproductive tract is even designed...EWCM is flowing OUT and sperm have to have the ability to swim just to make it IN. Your body doesn't want to allow things to flow up inside your repro tract easily, esp. at O, because if microorganisms could get in there easily, the higher pH of EWCM at ovulation could allow them to overgrow and cause an infection. That's part of the purpose of EWCM, to keep harmful things out of your uterus and tubes even as it allows the sperm a nice medium to swim through. It is simply not possible for the pH of semen deposited in the vag to have any affect on the pH of your fallopian tubes.

And that is totally beside the point that we're already doing a ton of stuff to bring down our pH in the vagina anyway. If you use some RepHresh/Acijel/Sylk, that's going to lower pH anyway.

Atomic! Thank you, thank you, thank you....for just being you. :)

Aw, shucks! :p