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Hi there, re posting as requested. For some reason I cant open other post either. Wil try remember everything I wrote lol!

new here and trying to navigate around this page. Quite overwhelming!

Mum of 2 darling boys and looking to have our third and final and hoping and wishing for a daughter

Have read/heard so much conflicting advice and am very confused.

So far I have read and am doing:

Trying a strict diet of what I assume is the LE diet.
Basically no potatoes, bananas, tomatoes (or anything else)
high calcium, cheese, yoghurt, milk, small amount of meat, lots of pasta, rice and eggs. peppermint tea & cranberry juice
very low sodium and potassium, no caffeine or sugar. No alcohol for me

Supplements : Calcium, magnesium, folic acid, cranberry & vitex. Partner to take same and licorice root

Partner to have hot baths and use heat pack

I am trying to chart and take temps but TBH finding it hard as cycles are all over the place!

Usually ovulate very late in cycle, trying to regulate cycle by taking myo-inositol. MC between my boys therefore needed to take progestogen for 2nd DS. Thinking of trying to take again?

Unsure whether to do shettles or o + 12 and very confused with knowing when I ovulate anyway!

Missionary position.

negative ions and Chinese calendar

I don't really know what I'm asking, just that I am confused and feeling defeated as I don't know where to start or if what I'm doing is right or wrong!

Thanks, advice and help please

We just have this occasional glitch when there's an emoji or lots of punctuation in a title of a post that some people can't open it. It's irritating but they haven't been able to fix it yet.

I understand it's frustrating when you guys show up here and we do things differently. But a lot of us got opposites the old school way and were looking for better ways to sway, using new science rather than old debunked stuff that doesn't work. So this is where we aggregate info about all the sway tactics, both those that don't work (for those who want to use them) and those that do.

What you're describing is not LE Diet. You're doing a mineral balancing diet. That's ok but many of us (myself included) got boys on that type of diet.

We use this Low Everything Diet instead, based on newer and better research:https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...l-version.html

Here is the FAQ: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...-diet-faq.html

And here's a second FAQ that explains why you don't need to skip potatoes https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...s-edition.html

We use coffee and alcohol (very successfully) as sway tactics. https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...s-swaying.html

I leave cal-mag at your discretion, be sure to avoid the Vitamin D as that likely sways strongly blue.

All swayers should take folic acid. :agree:

I do not recommend cranberry as it hasn't worked and has a lot of risks and side effects. If you must take something for pH I would suggest low dose aspirin 2-5 days a week instead.

Vitex hasn't worked and has 16% lower success rate than the overall success of the site. (54% vs. 70%) I can't recommend using it any more.

Licorice root got HORRIBLE results for us. Only 31% of the couples that used it got girls. No more licorice root.

Many of us don't chart at all. We use OPK instead. ARe you familiar with those??? They're the best option for those with irregular cycles.

Please do not do 0+12. It is my absolute least favorite sway tactic of all time because when it's done right it gives you NO chance of conception. If you must do timing (which does not work https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...le-timing.html) do a cutoff. The case against O +12 is here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/tryi...9-no-12-a.html

The most important thing of all is to have just one attempt. For reasons we do not yet understand, one attempt has been very pink friendly for us. So please don't have sex several times to a cutoff as some suggest, that is too blue friendly.

Myoinositol has been pink friendly for us, what dose are you taking.

Do you have PCOS or more than 30 lbs to spare?? We may need to adjust the LE Diet to be better for blood sugar.

Ions don't work but are fine if you want to try them.

Chinese calendar doesn't work and I urge you not to skip good months in case you end up losing too much weight and delaying or even stopping ovulation (then you end up having to eat blue friendly diet just to get your cycle going again.)

One of our best tactics has been cardio exercise 60 minutes a day, 4-7 days a week. If there's any way to include that, it may really help your sway.

Just let me know where you're confused. I know it's really hard to fathom at first but thats what I'm here for - I'll answer every question you have till you understand. :)

Thank you so much for your in depth reply I really appreciate it :)
I already feel less confused and like a weight has been lifted just reading that! I have been so stressed and confused on this diet the naturopath gave me and I literally just tore it up and threw it in the bin prior to reading your reply tonight!

I hadn’t seen your reply come through so I posted a couple of questions on the home page tonight looking for the diet links.

Ok:

Taking about 4g of myo inositol a day (powder form)

Not sure my BMI but I would be classed as underweight if anything (53kg)
I don’t exercise as such but I do walk most days and I am generally quite active, I can definitely add more fast paced walking if that will help?

By OPK do you mean the little test strips for ovulation?
I Haven’t been able to pinpoint ovulation. I have been using the tests twice daily since AF (started 7/3) and haven’t had a positive. I’ve had creamy and egg whitish discharge the last couple of days (sorry tmi) same dates as last month but negative test?
I had an E2 blood test done on day 13 of my cycle this month and my level was at 180 so I wasn’t near ovulation then either apparently..

I finished breastfeeding start of February.

Advice on progesterone? Previously mine has been low.

Regarding my partner, should he abstain or FR leading up to our one attempt?
I read he should be avoiding caffeine, lowering testosterone and avoiding sugar, avoiding red meat, is any of this helpful?

I seen vegetarian has good girl sway results, I am happy to do that if you recommend?

What is the difference between the PCOS LE diet and the LE diet?

Thank you again, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply


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Ps to add:
Not a coffee drinker but can start. Tea drinker and usually decaf only.
Alcohol - vodka drinker, partner is beer drinker


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Oh good I'm so glad it was helpful. One of the easiest ways to navigate the site is to go to the top of the page where there's a bar that says "Home, Forums, Blogs, My Posts..." and then click on my posts. You'll be able to see a list of your posts both the threads you started and the ones you replied on. It's so helpful, I use it all the time!

Oh my that's more myo than I would recommend. I would have you cut that down to 2000 mg (2 g) in the FP from AF-O, and then 1000 mg (1 g) in the LP O-AF. At BFP please gradually wean off that rather than just stopping cold turkey.

If you tell me your height I'll calculate your BMI for you.

At what times of day are you using the OPK strips? (yes that's the test strips for LH surge indicating ovulation is about to occur)

It's not unusual to have a couple wonky months after weaning so we may just be seeing that happening for now.

I don't recommend progesterone as a preventative measure unless under guidance of a doctor. How short is your LP lately? And I 1000% do not recommend it for swaying. The advice given on some sway sites about progesterone is completely untrue and will end up stopping ovulation totally.

I don't want you to do fully vegetarian with your irregular cycle. Vegetarian diets are quite carby and if you have some underlying PCO-tendencies (which many who have irregular cycles do) fully vegetarian diets can aggravate that, both disrupting your cycle hugely Small amounts of eggs, dairy, meat are ok for you within the limits of the alternate LE Diet (I linked this for you in the chatbox on the front page of the forum!) If you decide to do the standard LE (I linked this above) then you can do that fully vegetarian. I am not sure which one you would need yet, I'd like some more info about if you've ever had any issue gaining weight from eating carbs, history of gestational diabetes, or anyone thinking you might have PCOS.

The PCOS-type diet has higher protein and fat intake, whole grains instead of white, full fat dairy ONLY (no skim dairy at all), and no sugar.

Tea has been blue friendly, I'd have you do coffee only (or nothing if you hate coffee)

:agree: vodka and beer have been fine for us!

Still trying to navigate the site, for some reason I can only view these replies on my app but not on my computer on the site? And vice versa

Height is about 167cm

Using the OPKs mid morning and again in the evening

Ok I will try find these diet links and start ASAP thank you

Hmm I would say I find it easier to loose weight than gain weight.
Prior to this my diet was VERY high in sugar and salt, pasta maybe twice a week, quite a lot of bread, rice, take away on weekends but week days I would generally eat quite well with lots of vegies and meat. I always had breakfast or a smoothie by 7am. My previous diet does seem very boyish.

Would you recommend olive leaf extract for partner? Is there something we should do to lower testosterone for both of us? I’m not sure if I asked that already sorry

Where can I find the previous successful girl sways?


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Also I’ve been trying to click on the LE diet link (full version) but it states I do not have permission :(
Im a little confused with the LE diet in a nutshell thread, where is the actual diet?
Sorry I’m not usually this vague, just having trouble navigating


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For some reason Tapatalk does not mesh well with our site (especially when it comes to opening links) so try a different browser. It's on their end so we can't fix it. I'm not sure why it wouldn't work with your computer, we've never had that issue before, only with Tapatalk. We may need to talk to tech support about that, can you confirm this is not a Tapatalk issue?

Oh wait I just thought of something, you may need to sign in on your computer too not just on your phone. Not sure that's the issue but I've had that trouble on another website.

Start using the OPK after lunch and before dinner. Your LH surge peak comes in the early afternoon for most people so by changing the time you test it can make a difference.

Your BMI is already 19. That's below my cutoff where I want you guys to stop losing and hold steady. Since you're already so low in weight and find losing weight easy, I'm going to assume you don't have PCO tendencies and your cycle is irregular possibly because you're too thin. I would have you be sure to be eating 50-60 g fat including a serving of full fat dairy eveyr day and 4-6 eggs a week.

There is no specific diet to follow. There's literally no way for me to make one diet for everyone all around the world, given their likes and dislikes, to follow. We want you to keep eating foods that YOU like and know how to cook, that you can easily get at your grocery store. So we give you limits to stick in and there are no forbidden foods. Individual foods don't sway anyway, it's all about the overall nutrient content of your diet.

1500-1800 cals for most (but you may need to up this to prevent weight loss)
40-50 g protein for most (on the alternate diet people have 50-60 g)
30-60 g fat for most (alt dieters have 50-60 g fat, but I also want you to have that much fat as I think you may be too thin and it might be messing up your cycle.)

Do not count the protein and fat in fruit and veg, they're free for those things, and don't count ANYTHING in low carb veg, they're free and unlimited.

As I mentioned above you should have only full fat dairy, no skim. you need that good dairy fat to keep you ovulating.

Re white vs. whole grains - since you're already thin I think you're fine to continue on the white grains. No need to have only whole grains (though you can have some if you like, they've not seemed to sway blue at all)

Sugar is fine for you but please don't skimp on eating actual food and just eat sugar. That can give you PCO tendencies and sway blue, plus it's not going to help you get pregnant as too much sugar is terrible for egg quality.

The diet will lower testosterone (which has never been proven to sway anyway). If you want you can have him drink soy milk 12-48 oz daily to help lower testosterone and fiber supplements too. DO NOT give him peppermint tea and licorice root as we had terrible results with that.

Is he on any medication or have any health issues??

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Also I’ve been trying to click on the LE diet link (full version) but it states I do not have permission :(
Im a little confused with the LE diet in a nutshell thread, where is the actual diet?
Sorry I’m not usually this vague, just having trouble navigating


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The full LE Diet is Dream Members only, but you can get the same info just by reading the nutshell version and the FAQs. The Dream Member section has a few little perks in it and the money goes to help keep the site up and me able to do this s a full time job. :)

No health issues for my partner, he carries a small amount of extra weight and would like to start getting fit. Should he be doing cardio also and should he continue with caffeine or avoid?

I have never tracked fat, protein etc before so will see how I go entering what I eat into one of those food tracking apps then? So when you say not to include protein and fat from the veggies and fruit , do I just not enter them into the app?

Looking through the statistics what does inverse mean? And when the Success number outweighs the sways how does that work? I.e raspberry/peppermint tea stat?

Should I continue with Peppermint or is that a no for me also?

A lot of sways I read drink diet soda (coke) Do you recommend this and the sweetener for hot drinks?

Regarding Aspirin, I have asthma so may give that a miss.

My sister in-law was taking aspirin, works out a lot and is vegetarian (non sway) and got 2 girls lol!

I take 500mcg of Folinic acid a day, is that suitable?

And lastly I’m still unsure regarding the FR or abstain situation? Advice?

Thanks again, I’ll try not to ask any more as I’m sure you’re flat out


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Ps. I just finally had a positive opk. I’m
Currently on day 25 of my cycle so that’s very late :(


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No health issues for my partner, he carries a small amount of extra weight and would like to start getting fit. Should he be doing cardio also and should he continue with caffeine or avoid?

I have never tracked fat, protein etc before so will see how I go entering what I eat into one of those food tracking apps then? So when you say not to include protein and fat from the veggies and fruit , do I just not enter them into the app?

Looking through the statistics what does inverse mean? And when the Success number outweighs the sways how does that work? I.e raspberry/peppermint tea stat?

Should I continue with Peppermint or is that a no for me also?

A lot of sways I read drink diet soda (coke) Do you recommend this and the sweetener for hot drinks?

Regarding Aspirin, I have asthma so may give that a miss.

My sister in-law was taking aspirin, works out a lot and is vegetarian (non sway) and got 2 girls lol!

I take 500mcg of Folinic acid a day, is that suitable?

And lastly I’m still unsure regarding the FR or abstain situation? Advice?

Thanks again, I’ll try not to ask any more as I’m sure you’re flat out


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I am just moving this to the next page so I can refer to it as I reply to your question on the next page

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Ps. I just finally had a positive opk. I’m
Currently on day 25 of my cycle so that’s very late :(


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Ugh sorry I got interrupted and just now getting back to you.

I suspect the long cycle (if this is new for you) is caused by either the high dose of myoinositol or the peppermint tea.

I had thought you normally had a long cycle? Can you explain where your ovulation day has been in the past?

Jogging and biking have been shown in studies to sway pink for hubbies so that's great if he's wiling to do those things. As long as he loses more than say 5-10 pounds that's ok too. Small amounts of weight loss may raise testosterone so I generally have guys stay the same weight unless they plan to lose more than just a smidge.

You have to be wary with the food apps. You absolutely need to count calories in fruit and high carb veg, so you can't just not enter them. Some people will just up their pro and fat allowances by 5 g or so to compensate for the pro and fat in the fruit and veg that the apps count but we don't.

Inverse - we used to have a different lady doing the stats (I can't do my own stats as it's unethical for me to do them) and she would calculate the inverses, which are the amount of people who got girls WITHOUT doing those things. It was quite handy but a lot of work. They left the inverse setting in there but don't calculate it any more (which is fine because we have quite a good handle n what is really working now.)

The peppermint/raspberry tea stat is junk. It's completely unreliable, we have NEVER in 10 years used raspberry tea for pink, it probably sways blue, and the number is ridiculously high. Just ignore it. I keep deleting it and then when people update the stats it pops back up again automatically since it's entered into the spreadsheet.

Aspartame is at your option. I don't think it works but I keep it in the mix in safe and sane amounts for the people who believe in it.

Good please leave aspirin out. It hasn't worked, DEFINITELY aggravated the asthma of several people who used it, and also it has risks and side effects that we did not originally realize, but are significant (possibly causing miscarriage for many people who take it)

I prefer you guys more at 1000-1500 even since you're on a more restrictive diet. Take the higher amount all through the first trimester and then gradually wean off. never drop folic acid or folate cold turkey.

Neither abstain nor FR works. Fine to include them if you like but should be among the first things to drop, be sure to drop them BEFORE adding attempts. We use abstain for guys under 35, FR for guys over 35, but I really don't believe either of them does anything any more (and those inverses we used to do proved it!)

I'm always happy to answer questions, no worries!

Re cycles:
Prior to our MC before recent baby my cycles were fine, then they went awool and I was having a 32-35 day cycle. I was then ovulating late in the cycle also so my LP was only 10 days if that.

I guess the thing I’m struggling to understand with the girl diet is after reading the ‘how we got our girls’ from girl mums it seems they all ate low nutrient, junky or unhealthy food. Whereas the LE type diet (to me anyway) seems quite lean/healthy if it’s low in everything. especially if I’m eating as much fruit and veg as I like. Am I supposed to be eating more junky food or healthy as I am?


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Sorry that sent before I finished typing lol!

Just not sure how to get calories and fat without protein and snacking. And feel like what I am eating is healthy.

Thank you :)


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It is the overall fat, protein, calorie content of your diet that sways. So 1800 calories of brown rice is the same as 1800 calories of white rice.

We started off thinking that the nutrients in things like fruit and veg swayed. But over the course of time we learned that it was fat, protein, calories and HIGHLY FORTIFIED foods like taking multivitamins, breakfast cereal, meal replacer shakes/bars and NOT the vitamins in fruits and veg. Low carb vegetables (the kind that are not sweet/starchy) are free and unlimited, you can have as much as you want, no need to count. High carb veg (sweet/starchy) and fruits you count calories but not protein or fat. So people are eating quite a bit of fruit and veg and our great results of the past few years have been in those people who are eating lots of fruit and veg. If anything we are seeing better results in the people who eat whole grains, fruit, veg than those who eat the white refined foods. (I would switch everyone over to that type of LE Diet but many people lose weight very fast on it and also it's harder to stick to).

For many people with underlying PCO tendencies (and this is NOT the majority of girl moms, hence the reason they can eat a junky diet and not sway blue from it) if you eat a high-refined-carb diet, your blood sugar and testosterone can actually go UP. So some people actually undermine their sways eating too many white refined foods, and that is why I have the alternate diet to begin with - there is a subset of people who inadvertently sway blue eating too many carbs.

So as for your cycle - 32-35 day cycle is not a long cycle. That is still a normal cycle. Anywhere from 28-35 days is normal. It is a misconcepton that anything longer than 28 days is too long.

I'm sorry if you've written this before, I'm not seeing this on this page (I'll reread the previous page after I post this reply), but how are you determining ovulation?

A 10 day LP is long enough to get pregnant with so I would not worry about that unless it gets worse.

If you give me a rundown of wht you're eating I can suggest ways to get more calories and fat without protein.

Are you eating 2 meals or 3?

Sorry I didn’t see the reply.

Ok that makes me feel better re cycle thank you.

3 meals a day

Breakfast about 10am:
Yoghurt
White Toast with butter and jam
Or
Smoothie consisting of yoghurt, milk and berries

Lunch 1-2pm ish
Bowl of white pasta and grated cheese

Dinner 6ish
Usually meat and veg but trying to be more vegetarian so for instance tonight I had a bowl of white rice with light philly cheese and roasted vegetables.
Last night I had a quinoa, chick pea, bean, lettuce salad.
Night before I had falafel and salad wraps with hummus.
Are these dinners ok?

Drinks:
Vodka cranberry or vodka Diet Coke
Water

Snacks
Homemade scones with jam and cream
Or
Bowl of ice cream

What are the limits for sugar? Should I be eating ice cream and scones, biscuits etc or no?
Should I be swapping white bread for wholemeal?
Adding in fruits?

My partner is drinking soy milk after you recommended, is he aloud caffeine?

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Oh and only starting tracking this month. I have been using the opk’s.
Am I right to assume we would try one attempt on first day of positive opk test?


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Breakfast - if you're using low fat yogurt, use full fat (this adds fat and cals for same amount of protein)

Lunch - mix in a small amount of oil or butter into your pasta before saucing it or put olives on top (this adds fat and cals instead of protein)

Dinner - Instead of light philly, use regular. You'll get more cals and fat for the same amount of protein. Use dressing on the salad and wraps to up the fat/cal content.

Those are fine meals tho if you switch to the alternate diet you would want to have whole grain versions of those things

If you're on the alternate diet you'd need to limit sugar or cut it out totally. If you stay on standard LE you can continue with them. Switch to whole grains and full fat dairy only (no skim dairy) if you switch diets. Fruit is fine.

Usually as long as you're sticking in limits for the protein/fat you don't have to worry about sugar on the standard diet, it takes care of itself since you're limiting your calories. On the alt diet you'd give up sugar totally.

Yes your partner can have caffeine.

This makes much more sense to me I think I’m finally getting the gist of it lol!
Thank you fit all the advice : )


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Oh and only starting tracking this month. I have been using the opk’s.
Am I right to assume we would try one attempt on first day of positive opk test?


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Sorry one last thing, is this right? Or should we be trying once just prior to Pos test?


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Most of us have our attempt at positive OPK.

Some people who want timing try to have their one attempt before the pos OPK but it's not my preferred method as it is too hard to get the timing right and people end up very "control freakish" about it.

Hello again,
Can I just ask, what is my sugar levels supposed to be at each day?
Thanks : ) happy easter


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And is plain popcorn a good thing to have?


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Hello again,
Can I just ask, what is my sugar levels supposed to be at each day?
Thanks : ) happy easter


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Don't measure your sugar levels. I do not want anyone measuring their blood sugar. When we say "low blood sugar" we are not talking about a measurable number on a monitor, but instead a complicated process by which our body is forced to keep blood sugar in a certain range (because your body does not "like" low blood sugar and will immediately try to make it rise by burning stores of fat, so your blood sugar will go up anyway! it never stays low!!).

Just do the LE Diet, including the avoiding snacking/skipping breakfast (or pushing it back a couple hours) and the blood sugar takes care of itself.

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Fine to have with a meal. There are no "magic foods" that make you have girls, though. I like popcorn as it's filling and chewy so it can help satisfy you, but there's no inherent benefit to popcorn in and of itself. Just don't be eating it between meals!

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Don't measure your sugar levels. I do not want anyone measuring their blood sugar. When we say "low blood sugar" we are not talking about a measurable number on a monitor, but instead a complicated process by which our body is forced to keep blood sugar in a certain range (because your body does not "like" low blood sugar and will immediately try to make it rise by burning stores of fat, so your blood sugar will go up anyway! it never stays low!!).

Just do the LE Diet, including the avoiding snacking/skipping breakfast (or pushing it back a couple hours) and the blood sugar takes care of itself.

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Thanks Atomic,
As I’m using a good tracking app I was just unsure what range my sugar column should be. Atm is between 40-60 daily.

One more thing sorry, I’ve taking vitamin c lately to prevent getting sick, is this ok or does it sway blue?
I’ve just realised my LP was only 9 days this month and read vit c (and vitex) can help lengthen it also.


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Oh ok sorry, I thought you were measuring your blood sugar. We don't have a set amount for sugar. If you eat a certain amount of calories, protein and fat, you'll be getting the proper amount of carbs/sugar.

Vitamin C does probably sway blue but not as much as things like Vit D and B12 do. If you feel it helps keep you from getting sick, please feel free to continue with it. I don't think it helps LP though.

Vitex actually often makes matters worse for people. I would have you add in a serving of full fat dairy every day and 4-6 eggs a week, that can fix the LP issue too.

Hello again Atomic,

I think I have been too strict with my diet and weight has dropped off me super quick and I have stopped ovulating : ( two cycles in 20 days! Can’t believe how quick it happened!

I have added breakfast back in (late breakfast) as I was only having 2 meals. Any foods you can suggest I have to add in some fat without going over limits or putting weight on?

Thanks

If you're losing weight you NEED to possibly go over limits.

Can you tell me what you've been eating (loosely, it doens't need to be exact) and I"ll tell you what to tweak?? I need to understand where you're actually going wrong to make the appropriate adjustments.

Thank you! : )

Breakfast
Egg on toast with cheese & yoghurt
Or
Toast with cinnamon or jam (and butter) & yoghurt

Lunch
Pasta with grated cheese (adding butter sometimes)
Or
Salad roll
OR
Toasted Cheese Sandwich

Dinner
Falafel wrap with salad and rice. Usually have avo or cream cheese or Hommus on it
OR
Buddha bowl which consists of rice and veggies and/or salad
OR
Pasta with a vegetarian sauce

Bowl of ice cream straight after tea

Having a vodka, Diet Coke and/or Cappuccino once a day

Am I doing this diet thing right lol I have no idea!

I can’t believe how quick my cycle changed! Always been long, 33 days or so with ovulation not until around day 26 if at all. This month I have LH surge day 14 (no peak) then period day 19 :(
Spoke to my dr but she said its normal to fluctuate (Eye roll)

Do you have nutrient info in terms of protein, fat, and calories?? It's all good kinds of foods but I just can't be sure how much you guys are eating!

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I attached a pic of the food app :) hope it works.

I seem to be relying on carbs a lot, bread, pasta, wraps. Is this ok?

It's a little too small for me to read on here, can you email it to me at atomicsagebrush@gmail.com??

The bulk of your cals will come from carbs, that's part of the LE Diet. We need to be sure you're getting enough protein and fat though. :)