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So I purchased a plan right after DD2 was born (I have gbg) and I am planning on starting to sway around May-ish so that’ll give me 90 days before her 1st birthday. My plan is to lose a few lbs before starting the sway so I can afford to gain a bit and stay in a healthy BMI. I purchased a meal plan which was great but I do really well with having the same thing every day. Like exactly the same thing even though I may make my family something different. Anyone else successfully swayed blue eating the same ole thing day after day? I will eat anything or cut out anything I need to I am not picky nor do I need caffeine or anything else. Other question and I know there is a thread on this… boy moms you guys tend to get your periods right in the morning, right? And also seemingly pretty soon after the birth of your last child. I’m waiting till baby is 1 but also didn’t get my period back PP with my last two until they were over a year. I don’t want to wean her I’m hoping the diet will help bring my cycle back sooner.


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It's ok not to gain anything though. You can do HE Diet and hold steady where you're at, or to gain only a small amount.

I actually think that for blue, you should make some efforts to eat a variety of foods to try to keep sending that message to your body that you have a wide amount of food to choose from and to be sure you're giving your body a chance at a lot of different micronutrients. So while it may be easier to just eat one thing, that's really "girl mom" thinking and you should try to be eating lots of different things as often as you can to keep that message of "times of plenty" going!

Yes we have noticed our periods more likely to come in the morning amongst those who have more boys and mid-day to evening among those who have girls. The time it takes period to come back is more variable and often has to do more with the amount of kids we have, it seems like. But this is not a guarantee, if your period isn't coming in the morning you don't need to wait till it does as long as you're otherwise happy with your sway.

Haha! I would have loads of girls I don’t mind eating nothing till dinner and I could have the same thing every day…. Oh and live on coffee! I’m surprised I ever got a boy!


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What kind of cereal would you have as a nighttime snack for blue?


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I’m looking at my customized plan and it’s so daunting! I’m just not used to eating like this. My hubby will be happy! I’m just so worried that I’m going to mess it up somehow!! I think from my own experience, losing a bit of weight then maintaining or gaining ( like 1-3 lbs) is really blue friendly and that would agree with the “after war boy boom” since both the moms and dads would be stressed/ losing weight then come back from war and be eating and happy again. So I think I’ll try to get my hubs to lose weight too so he’s not a hippo on the HE diet when that starts.
Atomic, what would YOU do if this was your boy away? I read your Gimme a 5th boy post do you have any more specifics you can add? I won’t sway till April/ May but I have to get my head into boy mom mentality!!!!


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Haha! I would have loads of girls I don’t mind eating nothing till dinner and I could have the same thing every day…. Oh and live on coffee! I’m surprised I ever got a boy!


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But keep in mind we'd ALL get one of the other gender eventually! My mom ate like you did and she had mostly girls and one boy too!

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What kind of cereal would you have as a nighttime snack for blue?


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Whatever kind YOU like as long as it's not one of the ones that's basically pure sugar, like rice krispies, corn flakes, corn pops, that sort of thing. Aim at stuff that sticks to your ribs a bit more!

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I’m looking at my customized plan and it’s so daunting! I’m just not used to eating like this. My hubby will be happy! I’m just so worried that I’m going to mess it up somehow!! I think from my own experience, losing a bit of weight then maintaining or gaining ( like 1-3 lbs) is really blue friendly and that would agree with the “after war boy boom” since both the moms and dads would be stressed/ losing weight then come back from war and be eating and happy again. So I think I’ll try to get my hubs to lose weight too so he’s not a hippo on the HE diet when that starts.
Atomic, what would YOU do if this was your boy away? I read your Gimme a 5th boy post do you have any more specifics you can add? I won’t sway till April/ May but I have to get my head into boy mom mentality!!!!


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There is NO need to be daunted! Keep in mind I have to write plans (even personalized plans) with a variety of situations in mind, including everyone to people who eat a ~mostly~ blue friendly diet to start with and just need a couple of tweaks. And people want the "ideal" so that's what I give. If you already eat a super pink friendly diet, all you need to do is make SOME of the changes in the direction of blue. If you can't get to the maximum max of some of this stuff, that's TOTALLY ok! So if you're a light eater, it is absolutely fine to just aim at eating three meals a day instead of one, to aim at 80 g protein instead of 120, to have 4-5 servings of fruit and veg a day - all good! Just eat more than you have been eating recently, and when you got your girls!

Men losing a bit of weight can indeed sway blue, because men lose fat first, and preserve muscle (the jerks! :p) And chubby hubbies do seem to father more girls. So as long as he doesn't lose more than say 10 lbs, it's all good, I'd not have him lose more than that tho.

I'm honestly not sure what you mean by specifics...I'd eat better, more often, have more sex (even out of the fertile window), do weight training, and take a multivitamin.

I'll give you the type of diet I ate when I got my boys but keep in mind I'm a big eater and stay relatively thin because I have a fast metabolism:

Boy 1 - I often skipped breakfast but I worked at a roast beef restaurant and I'd eat roast beef and fries and all sorts of good stuff. My hubby and I were only just then getting together so we were going out to dinner a good bit as well. I also drank scads of tea!

Boy 2 - I drank lots of milk, ate breakfast and 4 or even more times a day, drank scads of tea, ate a lot of leftover dinners for lunch, ate breakfast cereal mostly daily, eggs frequently because they were cheap, and also peanut butter sandwiches!

Boy 3 - I basically did a full on blue sway diet with him, tons of healthy food, dark choc, regular meals and snacks, eggs, full fat yogurt, ate cheese or nuts every day for breakfast with him, a bedtime snack every night, cereal, both green and black tea.

Boy 4 - I was doing more of an LE Diet, but kept taking the supplements and drinking tea.
I a lot of lost a lot of weight but then decided to "take a month off" and then regained about three pounds and then I got him (and BTW, he's the greatest! I sometimes feel disloyal saying "here's what I did WRONG" because there is nothing wrong about him!)

Oh and with DS 1 I was walking everywhere so getting exercise but never in the "extreme cardio", was exercising with weights + walking with DS 2 (but not extreme cardio), with DS 3 I had a very physical job so getting a lot of exercise with him but it wasn't continuous, I would have a big breakfast and then a midmorning snack and then a big lunch once I got off work. I wanted to do the extreme cardio for pink with DS 4 but I wimped out!

That is so true … you *eventually* get one of each! The more I read on the forum the more it clicks. Looking back I see why I had the girls and the boy. By no means do I plan on going crazy and gaining a ton of weight. I don’t mind snacking all day I just don’t like the feeling of a full belly while working at the barn, riding horses, carrying around my kids and cleaning the house. I think even blood sugar is really key so I’m going to aim for a bit of protein/carb every few hours to keep things steady.
What do you think about just plain sprouted oats for cereal at night? With milk and berries of course.
Do you think it would be stupid if I just start going HE then a few weeks later “not preventing” when we dtd if I haven’t had my cycle back yet? The attempts/ timing/ ovulation strips and tests - how important is all that?
My friend has 3 girls and if I can pull a boy out of all this I could make her a believer! She would do a plan for sure. Right now very skeptical…


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Sprouted oats are ok, but we believe that part of the "magic" of the cereal is that it's vitamin fortified. So be sure you're taking a multivitamin too.

I don't think it's stupid, as long as you're aiming to have more than one attempt around ovulation. The timing and ovulation strips are not important, but having more than one attempt, and preferably 3+ attempts in the fertile window of O-3 thru O Day (particularly O-2 and O-1) IS important. The number of attempts is something we never foresaw, but really HAS been a pretty effective tactic (one attempt being effective for pink, and more attempts being effective for blue). Just be sure that what you're counting as "three attempts" is actually IN the fertile window, because in some cases people will go at it like bunnies starting after their period, and by the time the egg shows up their husband is totally depleted. You're wanting a happy medium between regular, unprotected sex out of the fertile window (like every 2-4 days or so), and lots of unprotected sex IN the fertile window.

It would’ve been convenient if the study had given some more specifics on exactly what cereals!


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Well, the catch is that it may not have even BEEN cereal, but vitamins (which is one of the reasons why we take vitamins) or eating breakfast (which is why we eat breakfast) or even just an overall health-oriented diet/lifestyle. There isn't any proof that cereal = boys per se, it's just that the study found a link between cereal eating and having more boys. So we eat cereal, take vitamins, eat breakfast, just in case any or all of those things may have some effect.

I was reading last night about a study correlating more calories consumed in the morning with higher fertility. Like better ovulation conditions or that sort of thing. And all the posts from boy moms is breakfast breakfast breakfast! My plan is to eat more calories in the morning and less, but still some, at night. Blood sugar is key like you say. I’m trying to lose weight now so I am looking forward to all the boy food!! I won’t go overboard I promise! Lots of weights and I’ll be out all day in the Florida sunshine working so I won’t get obese! I’m just going to put the 21 day plan on repeat starting April!


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Sprouted oats are ok, but we believe that part of the "magic" of the cereal is that it's vitamin fortified. So be sure you're taking a multivitamin too.

I don't think it's stupid, as long as you're aiming to have more than one attempt around ovulation. The timing and ovulation strips are not important, but having more than one attempt, and preferably 3+ attempts in the fertile window of O-3 thru O Day (particularly O-2 and O-1) IS important. The number of attempts is something we never foresaw, but really HAS been a pretty effective tactic (one attempt being effective for pink, and more attempts being effective for blue). Just be sure that what you're counting as "three attempts" is actually IN the fertile window, because in some cases people will go at it like bunnies starting after their period, and by the time the egg shows up their husband is totally depleted. You're wanting a happy medium between regular, unprotected sex out of the fertile window (like every 2-4 days or so), and lots of unprotected sex IN the fertile window.

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This might be a bit tricky if I haven’t had my cycle back yet. Like you think I should wait till my cycles are regular before trying to do it unprotected? Is it unwise to try to “catch the first egg”?
I’m hoping I have a good chance because I got a boy doing a very strong girl sway including one attempt in fertile window and we hadn’t dtd in at least a week. Plus living on coffee, losing weight, cardio mania and eating so low protein/ carb. My only calories came from salad dressing! And was taking a prenatal laden with herbs.


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What you'd need to do in that situation is either use OPK to see if you're getting close to ovulation, or be monitoring your overall fertile signs. If you notice things like increased libido, more cervical mucus, changes in cervical position, increasing O pains, or any other signs you are familiar with. Any time you think O may be coming just go at it like bunnies!

Ok so review my plan~
Now till April / May lose weight. A lb a week which will put me at 135 for 5’6. Still seems “high” but I look very thin at that weight I have a lot of muscle from riding 3 horses a day and caring for 12 horses and 4 other people!
Starting in May the 21 day plan on repeat. I am not going to stuff myself just eat more normal and also do weights 2-3 times/ week. Not too much because I want my body to think times are good and I’m not exercising too much.
Try to get hubby to lose a bit of weight now with me then do weights when I do so he can build muscle.
Start to dtd unprotected when I’m feeling fertile and multiple times when I’m really feeling it. I think that stressing about the strips and stuff is going to make me too insane. No lube! We used coconut oil or olive oil and if I’m eating right and enough I won’t need any anyways.
I got a 2 girls and a boy guzzling coffee, never eating breakfast, only veggies and coffee for lunch then nothing till dinner which was salad and a lots of dressing and fruit. The boy’s conception I was actively losing weight, doing some weights, calorie deficit and breastfeeding. Dd2 also breastfeeding. And constantly running around / riding/ horse shows/ lessons. I think if I can pull a boy out of that strong girl sway then HE should give me a really good chance!
I wonder if some of the moms like me who have this pink life style, have a girl or two, then randomly have a boy are actually really primed for boys but we block it with our fasting and coffee and always exercising?


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Also all 3 were conceived on the month we tried. Girls were several attempts 4+ days in a row and boy was one random time.


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I was reading last night about a study correlating more calories consumed in the morning with higher fertility. Like better ovulation conditions or that sort of thing. And all the posts from boy moms is breakfast breakfast breakfast! My plan is to eat more calories in the morning and less, but still some, at night. Blood sugar is key like you say. I’m trying to lose weight now so I am looking forward to all the boy food!! I won’t go overboard I promise! Lots of weights and I’ll be out all day in the Florida sunshine working so I won’t get obese! I’m just going to put the 21 day plan on repeat starting April!


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Oh, I haven't seen that one specifically - can you post a link or even just direct me to the scientists' names on it? I can't get it to come up searching because there are so many studies out there.

We base our guidelines for eating breakfast on the Oxford study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18430648/. It found women who went on to conceive boys ate more calories on average than women who conceived girls. I don't want you to get hung up on "eat more in the morning" because you really need to just be eating more all day, whenever you can. I have never in my life eaten more calories in the morning and I have four boys. So great to eat breakfast, even a bigger than normal breakfast, but don't feel you MUST eat more calories in the morning than at other times of day.

Girl that's not high at all - I am 5'4 and weigh 135 and have most of my life. Muscle mass matters hugely!

Yep even coconut and olive oil can inhibit the ability of sperm to swim. If you can skip lube, do so, if not, use something marked "sperm safe, conception friendly" like Preseed or Conceive Plus.

Yes that's the theory - lifestyle matters, but temporary changes do have big effects, so whenever any woman is skipping meals and living out of the coffeepot, even if overall her lifestyle favors boys under normal circumstances, that can sway pink. Since most of us only have 1-5 children, luck has a huge part to play...you can have a boy-friendly lifestyle most of your life, but if you happen to get pregnant in those times you have more of a girl vibe going on, your body "wants" to up your chances of having a girl!

https://www.thebump.com/a/breakfast-...-fertility/amp


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Ah awesome! Thanks! Do be aware though that their diet was highly controlled in other ways (they were eating only 1800 cals) and all of them had thin PCOS and were having irregular ovulation. So we can't extrapolate that to other women, because these women were likely EXTREMELY sensitive to carbohydrates and thus would have benefitted from less food before bedtime. "fixing" fertility issues that are due to PCOS may even sway PINK because PCOS sways blue, so things that are mitigating the challenges of PCOS are likely pink friendly in nature overall.

Long story short, I think you should just eat when you can, the HE types of foods, and don't add in another challenge to yourself in terms of trying to eat more food at breakfast than the rest of the day. That isn't the type of "improving fertility" that sways blue.

That leads me to my next question…
It is 2 part.
1. Does the even blood sugar for longer sway blue even if you’re losing weight? Can you lose weight while keeping blood sugar even all day? Like if I started snacking throughout the day but was in a calorie deficit would that start to sway better blue? Is the calorie surplus what sways blue? Even if it’s 10 calories a day surplus. Like if someone was on HE, gained 10 lbs then held steady and didn’t conceive until a few months later, what would happen if they were in a slight calorie deficit the weeks leading to ovulation even small calorie deficit, not enough to noticeably change weight just enough for the body to think resources are not as plentiful. So say I’ve gained weight too early then go wow ok I need to stop gaining and try to back down portions, am I now inadvertently swaying pink?
2. It seems to me that it’s the times when someone is gaining weight that’s the boy trigger regardless of starting point. Is this true? So rather your BMI is low, normal or a little heavy, as long as you are in the gaining phase, muscle or fat, you are swaying blue. Right? This is why after weight loss then relaxing the diet, you got your boys?

Also a question about the 21 day meal plan…. Is it ok to have a few breakfasts on repeat like the oats, the eggs and the almonds and snack on that and say, cheese and fruit till lunch and have last nights dinner for lunch and snack on that till dinner? It’s hard to make so many meals in one day but if it’s optimal… I’ll do it! And would the coconut water and sugar in the tea count as enough carbs if say, I snacked on cheese and almonds all morning and drank coconut water and tea with milk and sugar? It protein/ carb combos right? Can I make my own days out of the grade A foods list provided I do enough protein mixed with carbs? Say for instance

Teas sugar half and half/ 1/4-1/2c almonds and walnuts/ fruit/ 4oz cheese/ coconut water
Or
2-4 eggs/ fruit/ tea/ coconut water
Or
Peanut butter on toast/ cheese/ dark chocolate/ coconut water/ tea
snacked on till lunch
Lunch- leftovers of night before meat/ FF dairy/ starchy veg or fruit and 2 more tea bags w sugar snacked on till dinner
Dinner- red meat/ salmon, Sweet potato w butter or a sweet dressing On a giant salad romaine/ peppers/ tomato/ cukes/ cabbage
Snack- serving of cereal w ff milk or yogurt and berries

I can draw out food like take one or two bites ever half hour but I dk if that’s best for blood sugar I don’t mind going to bed full I hate going to bed unless I’m full so probably could eat the most at night

We don't know. I do not have the data to answer very specific questions like that, and it very likely varies by person anyway depending on the resources their body has stored and their unique metabolism.

I really do think it's a step in the wrong direction for blue swayers to cut back before swaying (and for pink swayers to gain weight for that matter). You're basically taking two steps backwards before you even start. You're draining your resources, lowering your blood sugar, all that, before you even begin, and now you have that much more ground to make up. Plus, what if (and this happens ALL. THE. TIME.) you get pregnant sooner than you intended?? Now you ended up conceiving right at the worst possible time, when you were cutting back! I myself got my 4th boy when I had taken "the month off" (my husband had different plans, LOL) and was trying to regain weight to lose.

The timing of weight loss has not worked. I don't want you to get hung up on it like you're talking about, because it has backfired by far and away more than it's helped. If you want to lose weight first, absolutely fine, just go ahead and do that, then give yourself time to normalize on weight and then sway.

But no, weight gain is not the boy trigger per se. We have plenty of people who get girls after gaining weight (in some cases a LOT of weight, this is why I hate to see anyone gain a massive amount of weight for blue) and plenty of people still getting boys after losing weight (again, in some cases a LOT of weight). The real "trigger" is improving vs. declining condition and the effects that has on your overall fertility. Your body has many internal mechanisms (many of which we don't even know) that send signals to itself about fertility - this is why even something as sillly as stressing about an upcoming school test, or missing a few nights of sleep, can delay ovulation a few days! Weight loss is ONE of those mechanisms but by far not the only one and so we can't give it more importance than it is due.

In a practical sense, yes, even if your BMI is lower, if you are moving in a direction of more blue friendly in terms of weight gain, then that's all good. But I just don't want you to think that weight gain is the end all be all because it is very much NOT. We are seeing good results with people gaining nothing and losing nothing!

AS for my boys, I am a big eater, always have been, aim at eating healthy foods, get moderate exercise, am highly fertile, and have a very "boy mom" type of personality too. So yes, while I did gain or hold steady on weight with my boys, and lost some with my girl, I had a lot of other stuff going on, and with my girl in particular I was swaying and had a lot of things going on in my day to day life too that swayed pink. I would not attribute any of my kids' genders to weight alone.

PS - as an aside, one thing that's great is that these are the kinds of questions I normally get from PINK swayers!! Very detail oriented, very analytical, and this indicates to me that in terms of your attitude and mindset you are in the "blue zone" so to speak. Not a guarantee, of course, because there are lots of other things that come into play, but definitely encouraging for any blue swayer!

Yes, it's absolutely fine to have some of the same things again and again. I typically ate the same things for breakfast day in and out (for sure with my last two, and I was actually often skipping breakfast with my first boy) And I am a habitual "leftovers for lunch" eater. I never ate anything approaching the number of meals in the 21 day diet plan, but some people can't eat larger meals and NEED that many smaller meals to get the calories. Do what works for YOU as long as you're eating regularly.

All those foods are great and you can absolutely rearrange and sub in things you like. You do not need to eat just Grade A foods, it's fine to have more mix and match than that. That is really just something that so many people had asked me to do (to go thru and rate foods) but I never meant for anyone to eat just Grade A foods or anything like that.

Just eat in whatever pattern will work for YOU as long as it's more blue friendly than you were eating.

Ok ok… so I could start my rough draft eating program but still keep calories low enough to lose some weight while keeping blood sugar even (is that possible to lose weight while keeping blood sugar even?) then add in more food as I start lifting weights and heavier weights ( I love weightlifting- HATE CARDIO). So I’m gathering the addition of muscle and access to saturated fats signals better condition? This will be so much more like I want to eat I actually hate coffee and hate processed sweet stuff I could live on nuts/ meat/ eggs… and I want to snack! I have about 5 months before conception so as long as you don’t think this is too early I’m going for it! I already ordered some elk and venison meat because I was so excited to have MEAT! And for a control freak aspect we are having a bunch of projects done here at the house I’ll be in charge of plus breeding schedules for the mares and I want to reorganize my entire house to prep for a 4th! Maybe I could do some kickboxing too I could make my hubby wear gloves he’d get excited :D of course it doesn’t take much to get him excited IYKWIM….


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Also carb and protein for every meal and snack is there a particular ratio? Is it quality over quantity as long as it’s not like under 1800?
Like say, Would someone have a better chance at a blue sway if they were eating 1800 cal of well-balanced meals, whole fats and protein and carbs versus someone who is eating 2500 cal of non-balanced meals just carbs and low fat junk food etc?
So I am still beginning to sway blue if instead of eating only really at night I begin to spread my calories out through the day and add in a little bit of meat here and dairy there? More specifically, losing weight eating HE foods is more boy friendly than eating empty calories and gaining weight, right? Not that I would be trying or even chancing conception while losing weight just want to start priming for better condition. I think you’ve already answered this I just want to have it fooo shooo I don’t want to be hurting my chances here. But what I think we are looking for is even blood sugar be it snacking lightly all day or having well-balanced meals, just no dips or highs. What are signs of low blood sugar? I have gotten so used to just working through hunger and whatever else because being busy outside I just don’t care / trained not to stop and eat .I will definitely be adding more calories in especially as I am working out more closer to conception time since ya gotta eat protein to make muscle and sat fat for hormones, right?
I also wanted to check in on meat and dairy because isn’t animal fat and dairy fat higher in omega 6 than 3’s? And omega 6 sways pink?
I’m not picky at all if you said eat raw steak with cereal I would think it was delicious I literally love to eat anything!! Just years of my moms ED made me a coffe guzzling, one meal, low protein, low fat, vegan eater. Growing up it was never consistent, like no food or a giant meal or only chocolate or straight junk trash or super healthy. So I never learned how to eat like a normal human!

I don’t know if it alerts you or not but I have edited this thing like 25 times adding more and more questions and thoughts as they come to me…

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I did want to add all 3 of mine have been one month wonders… dtd unprotected three times ever and had 3 kids lol. Regular cycles, never been on BC or hormones.


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https://www.thereallife-rd.com/2020/...ck-postpartum/

This was the other article I was looking at regarding fertility while breastfeeding. It states how a woman’s body could feel ready to ovulate again at only a 1/2lb weight gain per month- which shows how sensitive the body is to nutrition fluctuations. This is why I was asking about easing into the HE diet so one wouldn’t gain then rein it back, even just to maintain and send signals of “hard times” during the conception window.


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Yes absolutely. Five months in advance is not too far out as long as you're not gaining massive amounts of weight. Go ahead and make HE-type changes and then just eat fewer cals and the weight will come off. (you can still eat some fat!! PLEASE do not go super low fat as it's not only going to be bad for your sway in future, but it's also not that helpful for dropping weight as your body starts to have massive cravings!) Don't worry too much about blood sugar right now, just get the weight off. Blood sugar tends to respond pretty quickly and you'll have time before your sway to think about that.

Yes, anything that "tells" your body that times are good, you're in good health and have a lot of resources available to you will sway blue.

There's NO ratio on carbs and protein. It doesn't take many carbs with the protein, even something like ketchup on a burger qualifies (as of course does the bun!)

I can't answer your question about what would be better, I just don't have the ability to do that. I suspect that there are a LOT of variables between those two hypothetical individuals. I will say this, though - there is a LOT of nutrition in so called "junk food." I'll sometimes have pink swayers who will say things like "but I don't eat a healthy diet, all I ever eat is junk! Why, I can eat an entire carton of Oreos at one sitting!" But if you look at cals, protein, fat, and added fortification you are going to be eating a lot of nutrients in a thing of Oreos even tho they are what we consider "junk". And you can eat a mountain of broccoli before getting the protein, fat, cals, and lots of other nutrients in a burger, fries, chocolate shake. So I do think you just need to think along the lines of MORE overall (once your sway begins that is) instead of thinking that healthy, low cal will be swaying blue for you more than unhealthy high cal because I'm really not too sure that's the case.

Any changes you make in a boy friendly direction will sway blue. I know the old school sway sites act like if you don't do all of 9 million things just perfect their sway will fail. But that simply isn't the way it works, and small changes do add up and make a difference. We know this because so many people feel that they change nothing but have different genders.

The biggest sign you should look for with low blood sugar is just that you're hungry. You do not want to be in a full-on blood sugar crash with shakiness and dizziness before eating, just eat reasonably over the course of the day and it's fine. Do the schedule that works for YOU. We have no evidence about what an ideal pattern would be, if there is one (and that would very likely vary by person, even by week or day as it goes along depending on how much you exercised and what you'd eaten.) Just eat regular meals, as far apart as makes sense to you, so you're neither stuffed and gaining massive weight or starving in between meals. You don't need to overthink it any more than that.

Yes you do need good levels of saturated fats coming in to help make sex hormones but you can do that even on a reasonable diet as long as you're not eating what I call the "girl mom" diet in which people eat a Yoplait lite for breakfast, candy bar and diet Coke for lunch, and salad with fat free dressing and fat free pasta for dinner.

Ok bump the rest of this if I don't come back to reply, my husband wants lunch LOL

Don't overthink the Omega 3 vs. 6 thing. The best studies found simply more animal fats vs. more vegetable based fats, and the Omega 6 fats are more important in getting people to stop using milk replacers and artificially produced vegetable oils, plus taking Omega 6 supplements which we've gotten poor results with. Our good results are in people eating the meat, dairy, eggs, and not worrying about Omega 6 balance beyond not loading up on transfats, rice milk, and evening primrose supps.

Oh and don't worry about the edits, I don't get notifications on threads (there are just too many).

:agree: good sign that you've got pregnant easily in the past!

That's a pretty neat article! I actually conceived my fourth boy without having had a period (well, I had had one, but months earlier, and then it went away again for several months)

Don't worry so much about the "hard times" idea. It cannot happen in a day, a few days, the fertile window, or even 2-4 weeks. Our stats show dreadful results for pink swayers with 2-4 weeks on diet, even when they are very strict and deprive themselves. It takes at minumum 6 weeks before we start to see what I consider to be acceptable pink sway numbers, and much better results with 12+ for pink. There is NO WAY that a couple days or even a couple weeks off on diet will send a signal of "hard times" and that is if you even HAD hard times. The body is not that sensi to diet and it is normal and expected to have some variation. Alll of us with boys, myself included, had days where we ate a lot and then days when we were running around and missed a meal, yet had boys anyway. You need to put the idea that any little thing is going to put your body out of the boy zone, aside. It's an overall trend towards blue that your body responds to.

Ok I get what you’re saying. I started the HE today had egg/ blueberries/ sugar tea half and half
Nuts and pumpkin seeds and dates
Baked beans and salad w cheese
Dinner was veggie and meat sauce on salad with fruit.
For this weight loss phase I’m going to cut the grains and any other processed carbs and use the fruit as my carb sources. I’m a little skeptical of stevia, which I usually use, since I’ve not read a whole lot of info on that here and seems to not be something the boy moms use.
I won’t be skimping on fat as I need that to get my body to feel confident producing hormones. Organic eggs, grass fed butter, grass fed local beef, organic cream & yogurt, nuts… I’m just not going to go nuts on it haha oh boy I crack myself up…. But definitely include a couple eggs/ dairy/ meat daily.
It’s the fat in the dairy that sways boy right? Because I saw on the girls thread that seemingly plenty of moms were drinking milk, whole and skim, when they got their girls and you said you became lactose intolerant so weren’t drinking much milk with your 3rd. Cheese/ butter/ yogurt/ cream better?
Does the “mindset” have effect? I suppose there’s no way to track that or even put it into a spreadsheet situation but wondering if I’m too relaxed. I’m worried about being too relaxed!! Ahh!
Are there stats on more success for a girl mom swaying blue or a boy mom swaying pink? What about if they have one of the one they are swaying for and multiple of the other is it a better success rate than having all of one? I don’t think there is any way to actually chart that anyways…. I think at this point I’m just wondering out loud like a crazy person.
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Can you bump this for me??? I thought I'd have time to reply but a lot of stuff has come up today.

Bumping. It’s ok take your time you have 5 kids!! Plus life!


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I would stay away from stevia except on occasion. I just don't think we have the data to know how it actually sways.

It is not only the fat but the overall nutrition. Dairy foods are very nutrient dense. Everyone in that thread mentions dairy as some sort of magic pink taliisman, but 75% of people on Planet Earth are lactose intolerant and many cultures do not have any dairy at all. Yet the gender ratio stays 50-50 and in fact is actually somewhat higher in countries where dairy is the most eaten, like Scandinavia, than it is around the equator where most people are lactose intolerant.

The reason why we use full fat dairy for blue in addition to it being so nutrient dense is because a) it's been shown in numerous studies to be good for boosting fertility and b) to avoid people relying on the milk replacers. We saw time after time people who were having only skim dairy or too many milk replacers getting girls.

Yes, the mindset absolutely has a big effect. I can almost, but not quite, pick out people whose sways are in jeopardy on the basis of their personalities alone. (If I could pick out people by personality I would of course warn them, but it's not reliable enough to do so).

I would honestly not WANT to put that in a spreadsheet because what people do, is change things in ways they desperately hope will "fix" the mindset, while in reality they continue doing the exact same things that they always did, only moreso (more common in pink swayers, but blue swayers sometimes do this too where they'll justify continuing to exercise a lot because it "makes me control freakish" - ok yes but you're still exercising 2 hours a day!) OR, and this is definitely the case more with blue swayers, they feel that they didn't do everything just perfectly, so they may as well give up because they can't "fix" their personality. So keeping stats on that would be defeating in two ways, both highly inaccurate and highly discouraging. But as an outsider looking in to people's sways, as someone who has been on one side of the aisle and then experienced a change in attitude that led me to conceive the opposite gender, I can see it VERY clearly. The majority of the women who have more boys ask the types of questions you do.

As for when I conceived my 3rd, I wasn't drinking much milk, but I ate gobs of cheese (I regularly was eating 3-4 oz. cheese as a breakfast) had either a big bowl of cereal with milk or a big bowl of yogurt (I can have cheese and yogurt, those do not upset my stomach) as a bedtime snack. I had one or the other every day. Plus I had incidental cheese like in burritos, on sandwiches, etc. I was eating plenty of dairy, just not quite as much as I was with my first two (which was a lot.)

That’s good I’ve definitely been eating cream/ cheese / butter / eggs/ fatty meats/ nuts and beans as much as I want with fresh or dried fruit or coconut water, plus lots of veggies. I lost a lb, BUT I’m NOT complaining and I think it’s my body’s way of saying breakfast and food and energy- FINALLY!!!! I wouldn’t be opposed to drop a bit more since I got my boy when I was in a really good fit place. Plus I’m just eating whatever I want when I want and have more energy and feel stronger- I can always add more food in when the time gets closer. July is the soonest I want to TTC since that’s when youngest will be 1. Also partially logging this all down on here so if I make another girl I can go back a bd see what I did wrong and try again! If I can…
Still wondering if the conception on the first cycle back will be a good idea or if I’m shooting myself in the foot by 1.) losing weight first then going into a gain phase of a couple lbs 2.) still breastfeeding and bd freely when D-Day arrives. In my mind I have this set plan on how it’s gonna go down. Lose fat- get muscle- eat the list- ovulate- boy- done. It goes without saying this is all in the hands of Jesus and praying for a healthy baby if He decides to give me another.
It’s interesting the MDH because I have a herd of mares. The top mare has only had females and the lowest on the low has had only males. They are both fat and eat a ton. Probably a fluke but interesting anyways.
I did wonder which piggybacks on to my other wonder if you take a 150lb female and she loses 20 lbs but gains back 5 in muscle and fat and also take the same female and have her gain 5lbs,
Would she be just as blue friendly at 135 as she is at 155? Or is she now too little / too much and swaying pink? Also if you had her lose 20lbs fasting or 20lbs on a balanced diet would that effect the blue friendliness? Does it matter how the weight came off or how it gets put back on? Does it even matter that the weight came off in the first place or just that it got put on? Is there a set point of gain that crosses into the pink realm? Like after x percent of fat you’re now pink. Or if you gain x amount in x amount of time you’re now pink zone. Perhaps the gaining too much weight signals not that the famine is actually over let’s use this food up but that the body is storing up, afraid for the next famine so while technically you’re gaining weight it’s only because your body has lowered its metabolism and doesn’t believe times are good. Maybe females are better primed after a period of weight loss then a couple months of weight gain for boys because the body wants to take advantage of the feasting time before another famine? Or something tells this body to go ahead and up the metabolism we know times are gonna be good now? The body mechanisms are truly fascinating. Again, there is no way to collect data on this it’s just total rambling while snuggling my two sleeping little ones. At the end of it all, it’s really just up to God.


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Breastfeeding is very far from a magic bullet. Lots of people breastfeed when they get boys. I have one boy and one girl conceived while breastfeeding and as a breastfeeding supporter I hate to see anyone stop nursing when they don't want to, because it's not necessary.

I can't answer your question about losing and then gaining some. I only know that many people, myself included, have done so and still gotten boys. Weight gain (and loss for that matter) just have not been that predictive of sway success.

Interesting about mares! Unfortunately we can't draw conclusions between different animals and humans because we have different "cultures" so to speak and different mechanisms come into play - it just doesn't always work the same in animals as it does humans. But there is at least one study that seemed to indicate there is some preference in gender conceived in mares too: https://www.equisearch.com/articles/...ex-of-the-foal

I cannot answer your very specific questions. I would simply be making answers up and I try to never do that. All I can speak to is overall trends and what has appeared to work for most people most of the time. (If ONLY I knew the answers to those questions! Wish I did!)

I would not ever recommend fasting for anyone who wants a boy. I don't think it's a good idea and honestly if you intend to keep weight off in the long term it's always best to lose weight more slowly on a more balanced diet (not to mention healthier overall). Crash dieting is not only bad for blue, it's also bad for your metabolism and the weight may come back easier and be harder to lose a second time, and also it can wreak havoc with your bone mass, your nutrient stores, and your fertility in the short term. I would only lose weight with a balanced diet and exercise.

Absolutely- I was really just rambling/ wondering/ musing I know there’s no way to answer those questions! Maybe one day after analyzing 1,856,327 sways you may be able to see a trend! Lol I just ponder all these things in my head wanting to gather as much info as I can before my attempt. A balanced diet so far has me FEELING so much better - who knew *eyeroll*
I have learned so much here and from you since my last baby’s conception!
Fasting I think is really detrimental to damage hormones even though I myself would have a coffee then go all day without eating until duh oh yeah eat you stupid cow… derp. It’s a wonder I stayed fertile.
Great news about breastfeeding I always nursed my last one when preggo with my next and glad I didn’t cut them off!


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Intermittent fasting may help some people by improving overall sensitivity to blood sugar. But I don't ever want to see anyone (regardless of how they're swaying) doing very low cal crash diets or juice fasts - it just doesn't work because the weight comes right on back again. This is particularly true when people crash diet and then do HE!