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[Juniebjones]

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[rainbowflower]

I was actually wondering something similar today - perhaps part of being outdoors sways pink because of the vit D from the sun. My folic acid supplement includes calcium and vit D because of the way vit D helps with the calcium absorption... so I'm having a small additional dose of it anyway

[atomic sagebrush]

NO. I beg you, PLEASE DON'T. 1000 IU is NOT a small dose of Vitamin D anyway. It is a big dose.

First of all, cows eat grass. They have four stomachs. They come into heat once a year, usually at the same time of year. You cannot compare an animal that eats grass, with a different digestive tract and different reproductive cycle entirely, with a human being that has evolved as an omnivore for millions of years and has monthly cycles, and draw any kinds of conclusions at all. Let's see some primate studies or even RATS would be preferable to cows because their diets are closer to what humans eat and they haven't been bred for maximum milk production for the last 20,000 years.

Secondly, that is NOT what the Vit-D cow "study" even was. It wasn't even a study per se. In an effort to support their hypothesis, the FGD people went back through some old records from nearby dairies and found that cows that had been given Vit. D injections had more girls than cows who hadn't been given these Vit. D shots. My question is, WHY were those particular cows given Vit. D injections?? Were they sicklier than the rest of the cows? Were they lower in weight? Younger? Older? Who knows, because we are totally relying on secondhand information compiled by people who were looking for evidence to support a particular hypothesis, that was gleaned from records kept by non-scientist people we don't even know, over 30 years ago, before the advent of computers, that may or may not even have been accurate.

Thirdly, ~if~ calcium even sways, we don't know how or via what mechanism. It may very well be the case that calcium intake does totally sway, but that we may not want it to be absorbed into our bones. We may want it floating around NOT absorbed into our bones. That may be how it gets into our CM, when it's not tied up in our bones.

Fourth, until someone can point out some sort of evolutionary advantage as to why sodium/calcium intake would make any difference in gender ratio, and/or explain why countries with the highest dairy intake have more boys and why the nations of the world where most people are lactose intolerant have more girls, I'm going to need some more substantial evidence to go on. Testosterone, blood glucose - those things make SENSE so I can let go that I don't have 50 studies to back them up. Calcium swaying pink does not make sense to me and so I want real evidence from an unbiased source and not people who are making money off of this theory. The only unbiased study (the Oxford study) actually found that calcium = more boys.

I could go on for some time here but I won't. I can't spend hours a day arguing against the French Diet point by point nor should I, because I do think the FGD sways (just for other reasons) All I can say is that I believe with every fiber of my being that Vitamin D sways blue and not just a little, but a lot. I conceived my last son taking 400 IU of Vit D plus cal and mag, and my 1st and 3rd son when I was outdoors for hours a day and eating plenty of dairy to boot. There is NO WAY that Vit. D is any kind of magic girl-producing bullet.

Sorry if I am coming off bitchy, I just REALLY want people to get their DG and I don't think Vit. D is going to help people do that (unless their DG is a BOY.)

[atomic sagebrush]

I was actually wondering something similar today - perhaps part of being outdoors sways pink because of the vit D from the sun. My folic acid supplement includes calcium and vit D because of the way vit D helps with the calcium absorption... so I'm having a small additional dose of it anyway

Being outdoors DOES NOT sway pink. Human and their ancestors lived outdoors as hunter-gatherers for millions of years before civilization. Some humans still live as hunter-gatherers and they have both boys and girls.

[Juniebjones]

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[zanacal]

Hi Atomic - can you expand on the part about the Oxford Study finding that calcium sways boy please? Does the calcium part of a girl sway stem entirely from the FGD and the 'evidence' they provided on the back of that? Where does magnesium come in? I'm starting to wonder about taking any supplements at all!!

[ELP]

I think there was something else interesting aswell?? I think?? it was that you need magnesium to absorb the calcium, so possibly if calcium does sway blue then the original idea of magnesium and calcium swaying pink was actually a double blue if that makes sense? I'll see if I can find what I was reading.

Plus if a diet is low in calcium then the body borrows it from the bones, that definately sounds more along the girl swaying lines doesn't it.

[ELP]

Just a quick bit from somewhere

Factors that improve calcium absorption include adequate amounts of protein, magnesium, phosphorous, and vitamin D. Conditions that reduce calcium absorption include high or excessive intakes of oxalates and phytates, found in foods such as spinach and unleavened whole wheat products. Consumption of alcohol, coffee, sugar, or medications such as diuretics, tetracycline, aluminum containing antacids, or stress can reduce absorption of calcium. Lack of exercise can reduce calcium absorption as well as cause an increase in calcium losses.

In the past 5 years (3 girls) I have avoided the sun(vit D), ate very little magnesium foods, been lazy, stressed and ate alot of sugar, all things which lower calcium, maybe a big factor in my last 3 girls.

[zanacal]

So some of the things which reduce calcium absorption sway pink? Interesting ....

[ELP]

The calcium is really worth looking into, have you read the calcium conundrum stickies?? They're quite long but get the brain thinking, I think they're in the swaying for a girl stickies