3 types of diet? What is the best for ttc a girl?

[jude17]

As far as I can tell there appears to be 3 types of diets, the French gender, the In-gender diet and the one mentioned on here at http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...s-for-TTC-Pink.

The French and In-gender diet seem to allow you to get more of a variety of foods i.e. in-gender includes meats, fish, eggs etc in limited amount. For the Tier one foods it says you can eat as much as you want whenever you want? Does this mean that this diet doesn't restrict the amount of food you can eat and thus not making you as hungry as the diet suggested on this site (http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...s-for-TTC-Pink). The diet suggested on this site seems to be the one with the most limited food choices and the one where you are making yourself the most hungry. I was thinking for this diet to skip breakfast when I can (if I have morning meetings at work though I will need to eat breakfast otherwise my tummy will make the loudest noises from not having any food and that would really stress me out!) and sticking to fruits (apples, pears, strawberries, raspberries etc), low fat and low salt foods such as yoghurt, milk, cottage cheese, crackers, pasta, rice, cucumbers, low salt butter, low salt bread (if I buy a bread maker) cranberry juice, peppermint tea. I won't be having any meat. I thought I could give the diet a try and see how I get on, but it really sounds hard to follow.

So my question is do you think that this very restrictive diet has a much higher suggest rate for getting a girl than the French and In-gender diets? If the answer is yes then I will give it my best go but if it has a similar success rate than the other diets maybe it would be ok to do one of these with more food options? But are these two diets also meant to be 'starvation' type diets as well i.e. you can eat a greater range of foods but should you still be eating a lot less than you normally would in order to keep yourself a bit hungry? I am not sure but I think I have high testosterone so I will be trying to lower this by taking saw palmetto as well as a no meat diet.

[purplepoet20]

I do not know for sure which one is best but everyone I have talked to that has all girls say they were crash dieting or just eating very little... All skipped breakfast and only ate 2 meals and 1 snack, all were big on eating fat-free yogurt before bed, almost all drank diet soda, and most of them ate very little if no protein.

I am going to do as much of a crash diet as possible but I do have to get the min of protein and a few other things since I am still nursing.

[jude17]

Its very interesting. I have two friends who are both due to have girls soon. One is on a very restrictive salt diet due to kidney disease and the other is very weight orientated and therefore eats very little. I am thinking the low food diet sounds the best but am wondering about what foods you can eat i.e. a lot of people seems to drink diet soda and have girls?

[nuthinbutpink]

I think that if you look at the actual human data that is available the ratios of sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium are the biggest factors that have been researched and shown to affect gender. The Dutch study on here and the French Gender diet on here support that fact. What IG and Atomic have done is take that research to the next level and incorporate other things that we *believe* may influence gender as well and incorporate those into the diet. Now, it is difficult to say which is "best" because we simply do not have the data to support that. What I can tell you is that both the Dutch study and the FG diet study show an 80% success rate when just focusing on the mineral ratios. FG had 3 studies with over 400 people and 80% success rate. The Dutch study was in the low 100's(patients) and near 80% success and I am sure she was following the FG diet with her clients after reading it. Do the other factors- pH, testosterone, alkaline vs. acidic make even more difference? I do not know the answer to that and neither does anyone else. None of those have been studied in humans like the minerals have.

So, no matter what else you do, it is IMPERATIVE that you follow a low sodium diet for a girl and keep your calcium and magnesium intake much higher than sodium and potassium. If you do not do that, you are really not swaying your odds at all. HTH

[Indira]

Thanks NBP, this answer really helps to see the overall picture of swaying!

I´d like to add a question to this: Is the only reason we lower our blood sugar so that male beans won´t stick?
That´s what I read on IG and I´m not so sure I want to avoid a male embryo to implant if that´s what I´m supposed to have.
Or has lowering blood sugar been proven to favour female conception?

[nuthinbutpink]

Thanks NBP, this answer really helps to see the overall picture of swaying!

I´d like to add a question to this: Is the only reason we lower our blood sugar so that male beans won´t stick?
That´s what I read on IG and I´m not so sure I want to avoid a male embryo to implant if that´s what I´m supposed to have.
Or has lowering blood sugar been proven to favour female conception?

The blood-sugar thing comes from a study done on mice. It just talks about conception not necessarily making a male not stick. I would not worry about that.

Here's an excerpt from the article.

Diet may influence the sex of your baby
A mother’s diet in the run-up to conception could influence the sex of her child, suggests a study in mice. The research shows that mice given drugs to lower their blood-sugar levels produced significantly more female than male pups.

The findings lend credence to traditional beliefs that eating certain foods can influence the sex of offspring.

The conventional wisdom is that the father’s sperm is the main determinant of the sex of a child. But increasingly scientists have found hints that maternal factors might have an influence too. For example, earlier work has suggested that single mothers are more likely to give birth to daughters.


Elissa Cameron at the University of Pretoria in South Africa and her colleagues wanted to study how changes in diet might influence sex ratios – the proportion of males to females in a population.

To do this, they altered the levels of blood-sugar in female mice during conception, by feeding the mice a steroid called dexamethasone (DEX), which inhibits the transport of glucose into the blood******.

[purplepoet20]

I think natural type sugars that raise the bodies sugar levels will either make the male sperm super hyper or it may slow and weaken the female sperm. Female sperm seems to do better in the DW's body filled with fake/chemical sugars... men who work around chemicals are more likely to have all girls.

One interesting thing is boys tend to be more hyper then girls in the early years!

[atomic sagebrush]

As far as I can tell there appears to be 3 types of diets, the French gender, the In-gender diet and the one mentioned on here at http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...s-for-TTC-Pink.

The French and In-gender diet seem to allow you to get more of a variety of foods i.e. in-gender includes meats, fish, eggs etc in limited amount. For the Tier one foods it says you can eat as much as you want whenever you want? Does this mean that this diet doesn't restrict the amount of food you can eat and thus not making you as hungry as the diet suggested on this site (http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...s-for-TTC-Pink). The diet suggested on this site seems to be the one with the most limited food choices and the one where you are making yourself the most hungry. I was thinking for this diet to skip breakfast when I can (if I have morning meetings at work though I will need to eat breakfast otherwise my tummy will make the loudest noises from not having any food and that would really stress me out!) and sticking to fruits (apples, pears, strawberries, raspberries etc), low fat and low salt foods such as yoghurt, milk, cottage cheese, crackers, pasta, rice, cucumbers, low salt butter, low salt bread (if I buy a bread maker) cranberry juice, peppermint tea. I won't be having any meat. I thought I could give the diet a try and see how I get on, but it really sounds hard to follow.

So my question is do you think that this very restrictive diet has a much higher suggest rate for getting a girl than the French and In-gender diets? If the answer is yes then I will give it my best go but if it has a similar success rate than the other diets maybe it would be ok to do one of these with more food options? But are these two diets also meant to be 'starvation' type diets as well i.e. you can eat a greater range of foods but should you still be eating a lot less than you normally would in order to keep yourself a bit hungry? I am not sure but I think I have high testosterone so I will be trying to lower this by taking saw palmetto as well as a no meat diet.

Yes, I know it is coming off that way and that was not my intention. That post was an attempt to kind of combine the IG diet (which actually has the French Diet included in it) with the Low-Everything diet that I believe is best, and so it is MUCH stricter than I really believe is warranted. I'm going to rewrite it all for more clarity. That post was designed more for people who want to do EVERYTHING to sway and those people seem to be few and far between.

Personally I find the IG diet MUCH more restrictive than the "Low-Everything" diet and the French Diet is actually pretty restrictive too. The IG diet FAQ is not clear on this but you are NOT allowed to eat as much as you want of things. You are supposed to track your minerals on Fitday and not to ever exceed your alloted amount of minerals. Somewhere in the IG FAQ it says, "you can have as much as you want as long as you don't exceed your minerals for the day" and that does not add up to very much at all. Meat is limited to 150 g. Also, the IG diet cuts out any alkaline foods, testosterone-raising foods, etc. Most people find that they lose tons of weight on the IG diet.

The French Gender Diet limits your milk to 3/4 of a liter, your fruits/veg to 150g and your meat to 150 g. Yes, you can eat some fruits and veg that are not allowed on the IG diet. But you can not eat any processed foods or cheese. People also tend to eat a lot less cals because of all the things that are not allowed on the diet and also lose weight.

The Low Everything diet puts the emphasis on low calories, low protein, low fat, low sodium and low nutrient, with weight loss and lower blood sugar, rather than aiming for a particular mineral ratio and/or pH. Everyone is hung up on the nutrient idea (which is "my bad" for not expressing it clearly enough) and if you want to do absolutely EVERYTHING to sway then I do agree you should cut back on the very healthy vegies, but really, I feel that if you're eating a mostly vegan diet, the nutrients in fruits and veg are not terribly important. It's the megadoses of nutrients in vitamins that you must beware - you have to eat gobs of apples before you get anywhere near the levels of vitamins in pills.

I personally believe that all three diets sway in the exact same way, by cutting back on calories, protein, and fat first and foremost, and nutrients secondly. They all are low sodium, they all tend to make people lose weight and they all tend to lower blood sugar levels. I think the IG diet is far and away the hardest to follow because of the restrictions on EVERYTHING and the other two diets, I believe are about the same in terms of being hard to follow.

If you can't skip breakfast, don't skip breakfast. It's not set in stone, it's just that the data seems to indicate that XX develop best in lower glucose and anecdotally, we have found that a lot of girl moms tend to skip breakfast.

[atomic sagebrush]

The blood-sugar thing comes from a study done on mice. It just talks about conception not necessarily making a male not stick. I would not worry about that.

Here's an excerpt from the article.

Diet may influence the sex of your baby
A mother’s diet in the run-up to conception could influence the sex of her child, suggests a study in mice. The research shows that mice given drugs to lower their blood-sugar levels produced significantly more female than male pups.

The findings lend credence to traditional beliefs that eating certain foods can influence the sex of offspring.

The conventional wisdom is that the father’s sperm is the main determinant of the sex of a child. But increasingly scientists have found hints that maternal factors might have an influence too. For example, earlier work has suggested that single mothers are more likely to give birth to daughters.


Elissa Cameron at the University of Pretoria in South Africa and her colleagues wanted to study how changes in diet might influence sex ratios – the proportion of males to females in a population.

To do this, they altered the levels of blood-sugar in female mice during conception, by feeding the mice a steroid called dexamethasone (DEX), which inhibits the transport of glucose into the blood******.

Actually, there is MUCH more evidence than that. Cameron has done several studies and RE's have even verified that XX fertilized eggs develop best in a lower glucose environment. There was another recent study in which researchers could even tell the difference between XX and XY blastocysts just from the levels of glucose they took up. This is AFTER conception.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks NBP, this answer really helps to see the overall picture of swaying!

I´d like to add a question to this: Is the only reason we lower our blood sugar so that male beans won´t stick?
That´s what I read on IG and I´m not so sure I want to avoid a male embryo to implant if that´s what I´m supposed to have.
Or has lowering blood sugar been proven to favour female conception?

That is not true. I would NEVER EVER EVER be a part of such a thing and neither would Tamara because we are both very much right-to-life.

It is very likely that healthy babies of either gender can develop just fine in any range of environments, but there is some evidence that indicates XX may NEED lower glucose levels to divide and implant properly.