Sperm dilemma - again

[Zivic-Bubac]

I was reading this excellent thread http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...ht=fresh+sperm but I feel like I still need 'yes' or 'no' answer to this question.

Does the older sperm always win the race? Yes or no?

For example: let's say BD happened 4 days before O (DBO) and then again some 12-20 hours before O. Fresh sperm has more then enough time to capacitate ( it takes only 4 hours right?)
Is it about that older sperm have 'better starting positions'? LOL!

I'm sorry for asking this again, but I've done this this cycle

[TTC5]

Good questions!

[Zivic-Bubac]

Or did I optimized sperm count and gave myself better chances for ?
Can you tell I'm interpreting things the way they suite me?

[TTC5]

I think you had heaps of time between the two bd's Think you are safe!! xx

[babydes56]

I dont know the answer & would love to know. When did you dtd & how many times, sorry forgot. The thing is there have been boys made with dtd 2 days before O & again 48hrs later so if the the theory holds that the older sperm get there first then that surely would be a girl from the 2 days before ovulation, wouldnt it

[LolaInLove]

GOOD QUESTION, I have no idea!

[begonia]

I read this thread too wondering the same thing, ZB ... esp. wondering if having more sperm there (from DTD 2x near O, 48 hours apart) wouldn't be upping the "sperm count" and we all know high sperm count = blue. Maybe "sperm count" means something different than the total number of sperm? I can understand where the count in each BD goes down with high frequency, that makes sense to me, that the stores aren't replenished quickly, so with each consecutive BD the count for THAT BD goes down. But the TOTAL sperm there would still be up.

So what I don't understand is why having a higher TOTAL number of sperm (from combining the 2 amounts) wouldn't be maximizing the count there in the tubes thereby swaying blue. BUT if that was true then frequent BD would sway blue, and it doesn't. So, to me, it seems there has to be something to the timing issue as well, right? It would seem to me that for frequent BD/low sperm count to sway pink, one of the freshest sperm (therefore those from the lowest sperm count batch, if a couple was BD every day) must be the ones to get the egg.

I think I've offered more questions than answers but this topic gets me a little confused! I wonder if there is a definitive answer?

[atomic sagebrush]

I was reading this excellent thread http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...ht=fresh+sperm but I feel like I still need 'yes' or 'no' answer to this question.

Does the older sperm always win the race? Yes or no?

For example: let's say BD happened 4 days before O (DBO) and then again some 12-20 hours before O. Fresh sperm has more then enough time to capacitate ( it takes only 4 hours right?)
Is it about that older sperm have 'better starting positions'? LOL!

I'm sorry for asking this again, but I've done this this cycle

Older sperm does not always win the race. As long as the fresh sperm has time to capacitate, it has just as good odds of success as older sperm.

[atomic sagebrush]

I dont know the answer & would love to know. When did you dtd & how many times, sorry forgot. The thing is there have been boys made with dtd 2 days before O & again 48hrs later so if the the theory holds that the older sperm get there first then that surely would be a girl from the 2 days before ovulation, wouldnt it

If timing matters in any real, tangible way, which it almost certainly doesn't.

[atomic sagebrush]

I read this thread too wondering the same thing, ZB ... esp. wondering if having more sperm there (from DTD 2x near O, 48 hours apart) wouldn't be upping the "sperm count" and we all know high sperm count = blue. Maybe "sperm count" means something different than the total number of sperm? I can understand where the count in each BD goes down with high frequency, that makes sense to me, that the stores aren't replenished quickly, so with each consecutive BD the count for THAT BD goes down. But the TOTAL sperm there would still be up.

So what I don't understand is why having a higher TOTAL number of sperm (from combining the 2 amounts) wouldn't be maximizing the count there in the tubes thereby swaying blue. BUT if that was true then frequent BD would sway blue, and it doesn't. So, to me, it seems there has to be something to the timing issue as well, right? It would seem to me that for frequent BD/low sperm count to sway pink, one of the freshest sperm (therefore those from the lowest sperm count batch, if a couple was BD every day) must be the ones to get the egg.

I think I've offered more questions than answers but this topic gets me a little confused! I wonder if there is a definitive answer?

Sperm count means the number of sperm that exit your husband's testicles. Sperm "numbers" mean the number of sperm that are in the reproductive tract waiting for the egg (at least that's what I've been saying). So YES, I think that BD 2 times around O, once 2 DBO and then again at O, does indeed optimize chances for blue. But I know that a lot of people do not want to DTD 2 DBO because they are scared of girl timing.

The reason why frequent BD through O sways pink is because it reduces sperm count so much. High normal sperm count is 80 million sperm (or more) while low normal sperm count is 20 million (or less). So if a couple with high normal sperm count BD at 2 DBO and then again at O, they could potentially have 160 million sperm on the scene, all within the window of highest fertility, with the most EWCM on the scene to aid sperm survival. Whereas with frequent BD causing low normal sperm count (or even lower), the same couple would have to DTD 8 times (even if they release inside the woman) to get to that level of sperm numbers. Every day that passes, most if not all of those earliest-arriving sperm will die off so even under optimal sperm survival environment, there is NO WAY that frequent BD can yield the kind of sperm numbers that DTD once or twice at O can and if some of those releases are outside the woman's body, even more so.

Also, if you look at it as a part of a larger sway, blue swayers should be doing everything in their power to increase sperm count and health, while making their vajayjay as sperm-friendly as possible (so more sperm survive and for longer, with higher sperm numbers at egg). Pink swayers, in addition to frequent BD through O, should be doing everything in their power to reduce sperm count and health (a little bit anyway), while making their vjs hostile to sperm, which will further reduce sperm numbers at the egg.

Boy sway - BD once or twice around O for highest sperm count while optimizing female environment for maximum sperm survival rates.

Pink sway - Either abstain or frequent release for lower sperm count while making female environment as harsh as possible to kill off as many sperm as possible while still allowing for pregnancy (because it takes more than one sperm to fertilize an egg!!!)

Hope that makes sense.