NTNP and some other questions

[Verena]

It seems that hubby wants to do ntnp. I can't talk to him about it cause everytime I do he says no, he doesn't want to ttc yet. But then he is doing risky things like not pulling out (tmi) in the middle of my cycle. Last month this ended up being an O-2 attempt, unfortunately I didn't get pregnant. But now I'm wondering how to handle this with respect to swaying pink and trying to get only one well-timed attempt. Has anybody been in this situation and has some practical tips how I can make this happen? I'm afraid that hubby wants to bd 3 or 4 days before my normal o-date and when I speculate for better bd'ing one or two days later he won't do it then or will pull out and we miss the month...

I also was planning to try to get femara. I think there is no point in taking it with hubby not committing to really try that month?

And another question regarding jump and dump. I got both boys with propping my hips for a while after bd'ing. Last month, when hubby didn't pull out I was completely overwhelmed what to do. I wanted to jump and dump and prop my hips, which is quite contradicting lol. And I had to prop secretly cause I didn't want hubby to see it [emoji85] so I ended up going to the toilet after 10 minutes laying flat but after using the toilet I panicked that I wouldn't get pregnant that way. So I layed down on the bathroom floor holding my legs up on the wall (and feeling like an idiot lol). Would this still be considered as jump and dump? Is there actually a point in propping hips to get pregnant or is it just coincidence that I got pregnant only this way twice?

Sorry for the long text... Hope there is someone out there who can help [emoji4]

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[atomic sagebrush]

Well, I had a nice long answer written and lost it. :/

Yes, I've been in this situation, it's much how I got my DD.

Just go along with it without making a fuss. For men who are reluctant, putting any pressure on them often makes them change their mind totally. It can be a good exercise in giving up control over swaying - just letting it go and turning it over to God/Fate since it is out of your control right now.

If you think he will keep going with this routine then take the Femara. If you don't, then wait to take it.

You do not need to prop hips to get pregnant. I would not completely call that J and D but it doesn't matter. Just laying flat for 5-10 minutes is all you need to do to boost odds of conception, and you can get pregnant even with an immediate J and D. Good luck and pink dust!

[MiaMelb]

Both my DDs are near immediate j and d so it can definitely happen.

[Verena]

Thank you for answering atomic! It's funny to read that you have been in a similar situation. I find it really hard... Today is CD9 and I normally have a positive opk on CD12. So I'm not sure what to do. Delaying bd'ing or doing it today if hubby is up to it and then trying to initiate it again closer to O-day... But that might be more blue friendly then... I guess I'll just go with the flow as you suggested [emoji4] if we bd today, I guess there is no point in doing j&d so far from ovulation?

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[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you for answering atomic! It's funny to read that you have been in a similar situation. I find it really hard... Today is CD9 and I normally have a positive opk on CD12. So I'm not sure what to do. Delaying bd'ing or doing it today if hubby is up to it and then trying to initiate it again closer to O-day... But that might be more blue friendly then... I guess I'll just go with the flow as you suggested [emoji4] if we bd today, I guess there is no point in doing j&d so far from ovulation?

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It was one of the hardest things I"ve ever had to do - to in essence stop trying and just allow it to happen if it was meant to happen!! But, then again living with my husband has been an exercise in giving up control over everything and hating it every second LOL.

REmember, BD closer to O day DOES NOT SWAY. Timing has been debunked as much as it is possible for something to BE debunked, scientifically speaking. So yes I'd def. have you in with attempt closer to O than CD 9!

Fine not to J and D with this one if you don't want to.

[Verena]

Thanks for answering, atomic! I know timing doesn't sway [emoji4] I just meant if we had an attempt at CD9 AND CD12, that would be a bit more blue friendly than just one attempt. But we were too tired yesterday anyway lol. So no attempt so far and I think I'll try to avoid attempts until CD11 or 12 now.

I decided to make an appointment with my doc and to try to get clomid/femara. Is it still your suggestion to rather try to get femara? I'm 36... Honestly it makes me a bit nervous that the statistics are for clomid only. I tried to search the forums for femara sways but the few results of the sways I found were rather 50:50. So from your experience do you have the impression that femara really sways as strongly as clomid (or even better like this one study suggested)? What would you do if you were in my place? I'll just go with that [emoji4] although I'm not sure if femara is well known here in germany, so my doc might give me clomid anyway (if he gives me anything at all).

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[atomic sagebrush]

No because CD 9 is too far out to matter.

We know based NOT on our results (which are junk) but on a study that Femara actually sways more than Clomid. And yes it's also my perception.

You may not be able to get Clomid anyway as recently it's been hard to come by in Europe.

[Verena]

So I have made an appointment with my doc for next monday. This will likely be the day after ovulation. I think he will make an ultrasound of my ovaries and so on, this shouldn't disturb a beginning pregnancy should it?

To make sure I understand it correctly and there is not a language problem... Your impression from sways that you have supported is that femara sways at least as much as clomid? I wouldn't feel good relying on the results of just one study... But on "atomic perception" [emoji4][emoji4][emoji4]

I really hope my plan of getting femara/clomid doesn't fail only because clomid is not available in Europe... [emoji54]

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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes. Femara is at least as good as Clomid (and we know this since it was demonstrated in a study) but yes, also in my observations. As good or even better.

They seem to have fully switched over to Femara now with no problems so I think you'll be able to get it if your doctor think it is right for you! Good luck!

They say it shouldn't disrupt a beginning pregnancy and lots of gals have had scans right around ovulation and gone on to conceive. I can't give you a definitive answer simply because it's not been studied enough but it's believed to be safe.

[Verena]

Thank you so much for all your help atomic!

At least I've succesfully hidden from my DH until yesterday lol. I have one attempt at CD11 now, which I hope will turn out to be an O-2 attempt [emoji123][emoji123][emoji6]

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