After MC/CP

[dreamofdaughter]

Thank you atomic! Your repository of information is truly amazing. What a gift you have.

It makes sense now. I definitely do not feel comfortable taking any kind of herb or supplement (except prenatal and folate) when we conceive again. I had never had a CP/MC before this one but at least I couldn't "blame" it on anything. It just happened. Whereas, if I took Vitex and then weaned off and lost the baby, I would forever wonder if I would have that baby if I had just left well enough alone!

My next little bean is going to stick (doing a little bit of visualization there )

Thanks so much again, atomic.

[atomic sagebrush]

Aw, shucks! I was just fortunate to be put into a place where I could research how it worked plus observe real world results, without having the preconceived notions beforehand. docs and naturopaths all were taught a certain set of things but because I was basically ignorant LOL I was able to put together the research plus the reality to end up with a better understanding hopefully for the benefit of everyone.

Most losses are either totally random chance that no one can control (like chromosomal abnormalities, infection, etc) or things that are really easy to avoid, like not drinking when pregnant. We go down these rabbitholes of worry about preventing losses when really very, very, very few losses fall into that in between area of things that we did or didn't do. Probably because it gives us a sense of control about not having another loss in the future. But yes I totally understand! I accidentally took vitex in pregnancy (I had a totally normal "period" but was actually pregnant the entire time!) and didn't even wean off of it and somehow I did end up with a healthy baby at the end of it but I was wracked with guilt and worry until he was a good 3 years old before I could finally relax and say "ok he does appear to be totally unscathed".

[dreamofdaughter]

Hi Atomic,

I just wanted to let you know that I did talk to my ND again about vitex and she said she has never had anyone lose ovulation on it. Which, I find hard to believe given the stories here but anyway..not worth the risk to me. Anyway, she said it would help me naturally raise my progesterone but I declined to take it because I know I don't have prog issues. Today I confirmed I have a 16 day LP because I know for sure when I Ov after my recent loss and I have been patiently awaiting AF. And I have always suspected a 16 day LP so now I feel like I have confirmation of that! I started spotting this morning exactly 16 days after Ov and I expect flow tonight (cause my flow has been started more evening/night lately). It feels really empowering to feel like you know your body's rhythms!

[atomic sagebrush]

I also find that very hard to believe. But maybe she's giving people a super low dose. Some of the herb people give miniscule amounts of things we have trouble with in larger amounts. But then the question I have is if it's too low a dose to have any effect on people, is it even doing anything? And I don't have the answers to that. I just want you guys to hear the downsides and what our experiences have been with them, that's all.

I have noticed I"ve seemed to have 15 day LP, on occasion or possibly delayed O (but it sure didn't seem like it!) I do want you to operate under the assumption you may have 14 day LP at any given time even tho it's been 16 at other times.