Need advice Please...EXTREME PINK SWAY.....PLEASE LOOK AT POST AND COMMENT

[atomic sagebrush]

I BEG you in the name of all that is good and holy, DO NOT try and sway while going HT. It will not gain you anything. With IUI you bypass the entire reproductive tract and deposit sperm right at the egg. You are skipping everything that might sway. There are a couple theories out there that claim the egg gets "primed" to receive X or Y sperm but a) there's no good data proving that and b) in order for the egg to be "primed" you'd have to do diet for a full 90 days because that's the amount of time an egg goes from a tiny seed to a fully developed and ready to fertilize egg. To try and do diet NOW only will reduce your fertility and possibly prevent you from ovulating, and it will also deplete your body of needed nutrients that can help sustain a healthy pregnancy. Please don't try to do diet.

The entire POINT of sperm spinning + IUI is that you don't have to sway. The sperm spinning has done the swaying FOR you. Getting pg with IUI under ideal circumstances is hard enough

I am a little confused because in your earlier statements you said that your doctor inseminated you at O+12. Now you're saying that your eggs had not been ovulated which is GOOD timing for IUI. I'm not sure where the truth lies, but my advice would be for you to call some other doctors not affiliated with your clinic, or post a question to Dr. Sher or Dr. Potter or Dr. Saleh (I believe they all accept questions on their sites and Dr. P answers q's here on Gender Dreaming) and ask THEM what the ideal timing for IUI is and why. My advice on when to time IUI is not something I'm making up, it's just the standard timing for IUI. If you don't want to call/ask them, then do a Google search and you can read for yourself.

To answer your earlier question, yes, I AM saying that O+12 doesn't sway. Like I said before, this is not an IG clone site and some of the advice I give is different but we are getting equally good if not better results. But it doesn't matter whether or not you or I or anyone thinks O+12 sways. The thing is, when you do IUI, you bypass your entire reproductive tract anyway. The reason why O+12 is supposed to sway has NOTHING to do with the egg itself, it has to do with your CM drying up after ovulation. When you do IUI you are bypassing your cervix and cervical mucus all together. It is POINTLESS because the sperm are not even going to be in your cervix, they'll be deposited right into your uterus.

IUI at O+12 does not gain you anything other than lower chance of pregnancy. Firstly because many women's eggs do not live much past 12 hours after ovulation (and the older we get, the more true this is.) and they're at the outer limit of their quality even if alive. Secondly because you are bypassing the part of O+12 that even sways to begin with. And thirdly because after sperm are spun, they're often kind of tired and may not have the speed it takes to find/fertilize the egg very quickly, which they have to be able to do at O+12 because the egg. If you're now saying that you are NOT doing IUI at O+12 then this entire argument is moot and please disregard.

[atomic sagebrush]

Nuthinbutpink.....IUI/MS verses IUI with a wash are two different things. Doing MS in general is very, very harsh on the sperm.....that is why the pregnancy rate is so low...not the IUI part. IUI is still way more natural than any fertility out there. Comparing it to IVF, well, that's like comparing Apples and oranges. IVF is a very unnatural process. You are taking the eggs out, fertilizing them and then putting them back in hopes that they stick in there. Very different than an IUI. With IUI the sperm still meets the egg in the uterus and goes into the fallopian tubes and so on. Very different. Spinning for a girl....not harsh at all. Infertile woman get sperm washing before IUI all the time and get pregnant. I thought I had a GREAT chance at getting pregnant being that I have had 5 LIVE births, no complications or Miscarriages in my life. The doctor even thought it was going to work. But, it does happen.....I get it. Now its time to move on. I guess my doctor feels that I do ok on my own getting pregnant.....I mean I just had a baby 17 months ago, my body should know the mode!!! My doctor is going to do the same timing.......she said timing was not a factor at all. I was ovulating and I caught the surge. Must of been egg quality. Or she did tell me to test in a few days if I have not had my period yet.....late implantation. She did mention that sometimes IUI's can implant late. But, I am not holding out for that!! I will just do it again. I am so scared to do the drugs again because I responded so well. If we upped them then my chances of canceling are higher as well as multiples. I just don't know what to do anymore. Do I do the same thing....50mg clomid and trigger shot or do natural as the doctor suggested with me doing OPKs and then when I get a positive go in the next day or so and just do the wash???? I am so confused since this is the last time I can do this!!!!!

The odds of pg even with straight IUI are not as good as natural conception either. The more follicles you have, the better your odds, so I am a bit concerned about the "let's drop the drugs" plan because that seems like a step in the wrong direction. Even 20 year olds only have 20-30% odds of getting pg naturally and their egg quality is fine. I also think the trigger shot is a good idea to make sure that the IUI is timed correctly.

Did they check FSH and AMH before beginning this process?? Clomid may not be the best drug for you and there are other options that may be better for egg quality (altho I doubt that's what went wrong.)

I believe you do need SOMETHING to ensure you have more than one follicle or you are wasting $$. You WANT 3-4 follicles for IUI. That's what they're going for.

Sperm washing is NOT the same thing at all as sperm spinning. Very different things with very different effects on the swimmers.

And to answer a question from an earlier post, no, sperm spinning is NOT 100%.

[5 Gorgeousboyz]

Atomic.....I thank you for your input....I really do BUT I wish you would quit acting like you know everything please. You keep basically calling me a liar about MY CYCYLE and what I have said or did!!! I did do my IUI at the END OF OVULATION!!! I was OVULATING because my doctor did an ultrasound at the time of IUI and said the timing was exactly what we wanted....the END OF O. Last 12 hours of O!!!!! She knows that from measurements and the follicles that had collapsed and everything else that she looked at!!!! I had 3 follicles at the time of IUI 1 still pretty big but starting to collapse and 2 that collapsed and were waiting. With the spinning the sperm only live 24hrs so you cannot do it days before....they will be DEAD!!! So instead of doing the IUI at the beginning of O, we did it at the end but I was still Oing!!!! That is why this is a shock!! Yes, I know sperm spinning is different than a wash and my doctor has been doing this a long time and said there is not any concern for the sperm....microsort on the other hand is very very very harsh on the sperm. Maybe you are not familiar with the method I did that's why....I don't know. This is not the Erickson method and even that is not harsh on sperm. My dh's sperm count was 103 MILLION AFTER THE spinning!!!! So I think they came out fine. As far as the follicles I had....I did have 5-6 (the 6th one was really little)4 days before IUI, which my doctor said that we want between 3-5. The day of IUI I had 3 follicles which my doctor said was perfect for me!! In fact my doctor is shocked and was worried I was going to have twins. I understand the whole diet thing....which I have been on for a while and it does help even though the IUI gets "almost to the opening to where the egg is". But, I have been doing all my swaying for a long time already. I was just adding that maybe I could do something that I am not doing already. Actually the embryologist was the one who said that there is a link with calcium/mag supps with XX sperm. We talked in great lengths about it as well as baby aspirin that I have been on for a year now. There is a correlation and I have even read up on it as well. My problem is the drugs.....I think my eggs weren't good because of it. My doctor says a more natural approach may be better being as I have never had a problem getting pregnant and have never had a miscarriage. My lining was great....my fsh levels and estradiol was great......HSG test showed tubes are clear (Just really long tubes I have). So, maybe the stimulating messed with me. Instead of throwing this at me thinking you know it all....maybe you could help me. Maybe you could say "hey, why dont you do this to help". "ask your doctor this and that". "Consider this maybe". But when you come at me like you know it all and make comments like "I beg you in the name of all that is good and holy". I mean really.....that is not helpful at all. I really need opinions and ladies who either genuinely want to help or just don't know what to say except good luck. This is hard enough for me right now. I am in such conflict with this and this is my last chance. I have had so many chances to try for a girl. My dh has been so amazing even though we have fought about this all over the years and I have cried my eyes out because of all this!! I had to beg him for all of this IUI stuff. I have to say he has always done what I have asked....even some crazy shit with microscopes and diva cups and all the crap I did last time. Supplements and what he needs to drink, abstain from sex.....it's crazy he is doing one more shot for me!!! I need some sound advice....not Ms. Know it all attacking me!!!! I am at my end......if you are trying to help.....it's not helping me! You are distracting me!! I really appreciate any advice from you, I do, but constructive advice is what I need.

Oh and I did not ask a question about sperm spinning being 100%....I know what % I was given for a GIRL by my doctor, so I never ever thought nor asked if it was 100%!!!

[nuthinbutpink]

She IS trying to help. She was being constructive. You just do not understand the IUI world. Count doesn't matter as much as motility and mobility do. Spinning reduces that. Your odds will be lower with one follicle. You need to know that. That is what she is trying to tell you. It's obvious you are pissed at her and at this point I don't think we can help.

I've been living HT for 4 years. I know a little about it at this point and I too was trying to help. I don't think you want to hear what we have to say at this point.

Your "sway" comes down to how effective their spinning is. So, try natural with the one follicle and hopefully they will catch the egg this time.

[Irishmom]

I'm sorry to hear you did'nt get a BFP 5gorgeousboyz.I hope your next attempt is successful and you get your dd.
I have to be honest your being very defensive against anything atomic or anyone else says that you dont want to hear. Maybe you should re read all the helpful advice both atomic and nutinbutpink HAVE given you again. You seem to be reading what simply is not there? I mean that in the nicest way possible.xx

[nuthinbutpink]

And nearly ALL of the HT women can empathize with you about being very fertile and having this not work. I was 33 with 3 kids conceived first month and then told HT won't work for me because I had bad ovaries. I had a 6 month old! No matter how many times you read it, we assume that won't be me and it will work for me the first time. It usually doesn't. But many find success when they try again and you can too.

[pebmcpd7]

What is the point of asking advice if you are going to be nasty when you don't hear what YOU want to hear?!?!

[5 Gorgeousboyz]

You know it's not me reading "what I want to read" and thinking I am being attacked. I have had ladies message me stating they have had problems like I am having. Atomic I am not pissed at Nuthinbutpink......She just think she knows it all!! First off, I know about the IUI world, thank you and secondly My dh's motility was great after the wash!!!! My doctor gave me all the numbers and is in shock as well. I don't think the help is constructive at all and frankly, I am going to listen to the ladies who have nicely sent me a message. I am hear for help........I guess you just like hearing yourself and thinking you know it all and that's fine. I am a strong woman too and I know my info with MY BODY and cycle and what my doctor has told me and embryologists and things I have researched. You are condescending as well.....You ladies really know how to kick someone while they are down!!! I can say you have helped me with that. Thank you for that!!! I don't know how you ladies think that you are helping......read the other ladies on here with their helpful comments and insight. Thank you to the ladies on here that have given me ideas and messaged me. I obviously am not going to get any help here on this board!!! It's a shame........

[nuthinbutpink]

This is absurd. You've lost me. I'm out. If you just wanted sympathy or good luck messages you shouldn't have asked for advice.

[5 Gorgeousboyz]

I am NOT being nasty.....I am NOT a nasty person. It's funny that I am not the only one on this board this has happened to. I want advice.....I do!!! I am begging for it...READ MY POSTS !!!!!!! Go read some of the posts.....I showed my dh just now and he agrees......I am not nasty....at all!! I think he said "wow these woman think they know it all". That's great and I want the help but not the way its been delivered. I am so distracted by this, it's not even funny NOR worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And yes, NUTHINGBUTPINK, I get the HT. I didn't take my egg out have it fertilized......I did turkey bastor method here. I know HT doesn't happen for fertile women......I am not even going there....I wanted some advice on drugs, diet and what I should do now. I am not in denial...I am moving on and wanted some help. But, maybe your right....maybe you can't help!!!


Really you think I want sympathy.....You are talking to someone with 5 boys!!!!! I wanted help lady!!!!!! I think you even messaged me that Atomic wouldn't make anymore comments........well, she did and people can think that I am defensive but I am telling you I am not at all.