VBAC after two c-sections?

[DoulaMama]

See, this pisses me off, and I know DM will agree. Your body is designed to accommodate the baby during birth, even with big heads. I have known so many women who had absolutely huge babies with enormous heads, and your pelvis and cooch all open up for that. I am sure there are cases of super tiny women with super huge babies that got stuck and they needed the c-section, but if I were your doctor, I would have let you give birth a shot. GRRRRRRR!!!!!!
Yes....You have to change they way you think....an 8lb baby will most times have the same skull size as a 7lb baby...it just has more fat on it's body...and fat squishes! I pushed out an 8.5lb baby in a face presentation(biggest circumference possible) in less than 10 minutes. Pelvises are MADE to push babies out. You will make your baby the right size for your pelvis. Mother Nature is not an idiot If women had constantly made babies bigger than her pelvis could handle...the human race would have disappeared long ago. One thing I recommend...see a chiropractor that specializes in pregnant women. If you have an alignment issue, the chiro will help you get your pelvis aligned and it will help you a lot! I've seen one through 3 pregnancies now

But at least it was not a terrible experience for you like it was for me.

I also agree with DM that the only concern would be the time between your 2 births. When I went for my VBAC, the midwife practice was ok with it because I was 29, in great shape, and it would be 2 years, 9 months between my births, enough time for the uterus and facia (however you spell that) to heal up. I don't think they like to see moms with less than 2 years between births try it, but DM will give you better insight on that. I haven't had a baby for over 7 years now, so I'm a little bit out of touch with the "rules" now!

I've known several women that have had HBAC's(homebirth after section) after 5 previous sections....
How many months between pregnancies did you have??

I will also agree with her that the risk for rupture is small. Once I had my change of heart and decided I wanted to try a VBAC, I did a bunch of research and found that the stats for rupture were very low, and the incidence of the baby dying from the rupture were even lower. I can't remember now, but it was something like 1 in 10,000 rupture, and of those, 1 in 1,000 die, so those are pretty good odds in your favor. Totally correct me if I'm wrong, though, DM!!!!!

I think the stats are higher than that....I'll track them down. But the one thing that Lola mentions...rupture does not = death. Many women have small tears in their uterus when birthing. Women that have never had a section! The uterus heals itself. Of the ruptures that happen, many aren't even noticed, and the ones that are noticed are not fatal ruptures. Mom and baby are usually fine. Catastrophic ruptures are very rare. And they usually involve pitocin....

Thanks for the support Lola! I really think he just wanted it scheduled so my progressing labor wouldn't interfere with his plans. DS2 was due on a Saturday...no joke! The c-section was the Friday before he was born. There was def. something missing with his birth...though DS1 was also a C, I just felt a little better that I had a chance to *try*, you know what I mean?

And does everyone agree or think that maybe my lack of ANY feeling may have been the real reason I couldn't push DS1 out?

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!
I'm just going let this all pour out...seeing as I'm on my soap box right now.... And please don't take this the wrong way- I know that many women have no idea that when they walk into the hospital to birth a baby, the odds of coming out unscathed are low I think it's such a horrible thing and I wish more women were aware of all the crap going on in the hospitals.....
Here goes- You are supposed to feel everything when you give birth. Nature made labour and birth the way it is for a reason. When you feel the baby in a certain position, you move your body in different ways to help it descend the way it needs to. You can tune into your body and listen to what it needs...standing and rocking, on all fours, bearing down when you feel the urge(not when a Dr tells you to), squatting etc. The pain of labour is productive and you need to feel what is going on. I totally understand why many women get epidurals(fear, long labour, etc) but I feel that they are overused to the extreme. If you put your mind to it....you can do it without pain meds. You can do just about anything you want to
xoxo

[LolaInLove]

DM, totally and completely agree with everything you said!!!

And you are having cx??? So close!!!!!! I can't wait to hear your birth story for little Miss F!

Aurora, you can do it! Give it a shot at least, yea?

[LolaInLove]

Oh, and I will agree with the cooch thing, and LOL Hobber at the hot dog in a wind tunnel!!!! I did lots of kegels during my pg and I don't hear any complaints either! That is not to say that a few drops of pee don't still come out when I sneeze hard-core, but that I can live with.

[auroara78]

Wow you ladies constantly amaze me! Thank you for all the words of encourgement!

DM, I can't wait to hear your birth story when little Felina joins the family! Lola, as always, you are a pillar that many of us need around to help us out

Hobbers, lol the story about hot dog in a tunnel...love it....and DM thx also for the comforting about sex. I don't know what my DH is so afraid of...birthing is totally natural.

I had my last baby on April 29 of last year. So, he is almost 1 now, and I'm due Sept. 16th. So that would be 17 months between the c-section and this possible birth? So is 17 months cutting it way too close?

I'll approach my OB and see what he says. If he's really resistant, then I know what I'll have to do. And I agree DM that hospital births are very unconductive to birthing, they over numb you and the position is not good for helping a baby drop down.

[DoulaMama]

You are very welcome!! I've been passionate about birth for 6 years now and a doula for 3 years, so this is totally my kind of thread!! LOL
So, 9 months between birth of ds2 and conception of #3? The time between the last surgery and this conception is what matters.

[auroara78]

Yeah about 8/9 months I think. Had Evan in late April and concieved again on Christmas Day.

[perrypop3]

I have loved reading this thread, such great advice for you

I'm excited to hear you're getting cx's, good luck DM

Just wanted to get your take on me, I've had 3 csections, would you say I could give it a good go even after 3
I begged them in 2010 to let me try naturally but the docs scared me loads, told me I was risking life of me and baby, even
More frustrating it was over 6 years past my 2nd c section.

I'd love to go for it with my 4th, but thought there's no way as I've now had 3 sections, love to know your thoughts.

[TTC5]

My sister had a VBA2C!

I have had a VBAC!

[DoulaMama]

Yeah about 8/9 months I think. Had Evan in late April and concieved again on Christmas Day.

9 months doesn't give you a lot of time to heal but it's most likely enough if you had a really great recovery etc. When it comes to a VBAC, you just don't know how everything will go until you try. It's the same as a regular birth. There is always a little bit of luck in the mix. It just depends on how badly you want it. I would say read as much as you can about. Get yourself a few good books, read lots of VBAC stories, talk to other women that have done it, join facebook groups, Find your local ICAN network(scec awareness network), and look into a doula. I'd say you have a really fantastic shot at a VBAC

I have loved reading this thread, such great advice for you

I'm excited to hear you're getting cx's, good luck DM

Just wanted to get your take on me, I've had 3 csections, would you say I could give it a good go even after 3
I begged them in 2010 to let me try naturally but the docs scared me loads, told me I was risking life of me and baby, even
More frustrating it was over 6 years past my 2nd c section.

I'd love to go for it with my 4th, but thought there's no way as I've now had 3 sections, love to know your thoughts.

Thanks Perry!

How long since your last section? I think I mentioned it in an above post, but there are women having VBAC's after 1-5 sections! It can totally be done! I have to say that the majority of these women are doing it at home because a midwife is more likely to trust and believe in her. I attended a special scar VBAC just last year(it was a T incision and NO ONE would attend her VBAC). She did it at home, no medical assistance at all. I was there as her doula. It was an easy, straight forward birth with no complications at all. They told her she had a 50% chance of rupturing and killing herself. What a crock. You really just have to search your soul and find out what YOU need. If you want to try for a VBAC, then you should do everything in your power to give yourself the best chance at having one. There are women out there that have done it. Don't let a Dr. that has never seen one or even know the risks, tell you that you cannot do it. Find a caregiver that is supportive and go from there Heck, even if you gave birth in a hotel room across from the hospital, it would take the exact amount of time to call, be transfered to the hospital and get into the OR as it would to go from your L&D room. It's all about what you're comfortable with. Just know that you do have choices. No one can make those decisions for you.

xoxo

My sister had a VBA2C!

I have had a VBAC!

WOOHOO! Love hearing that

[coocoobananas]

I had a vbac and would recommend it to anyone who can! An amazingly different experience! I mean I would probably tell you different during... But after, wow what a feeling! My first was induced epidural emergency c section and my vbac wasp natural so big difference! Only thing that I didn't like was I felt like I had to get over this "hump" of pain when pushing and it was where the scar tissue was... Did anyone experience this? That part was really discouraging because I was afraid my scar was going to rip open (I was fine) it was just so much Pressure! The ring of fire was welcomed each time I got over that ripping feeling! That is the only reason if I have a 3rd I will do it in hospital in case something actually comes about because of that! But it's probably just the scar tissue being so tight and it being pulled? The dr was worried I had ruptured because I was shaking and the stitching up seemed bad... But I think I was just wimpy!!