Still so much Ewcm

[Ipadmad]

Thanks, I've read about the night aid thing. Am I right in thinking if I get Nytol one a day and take that (obviously in the evening say 10pm), along with Zirtek at say 6pm, that would be OK?

I am assuming they don't need to be staggered / have time between them? However, the Zirtek has had a bit of an effect the last couple of days, which has renewed my optimism! Maybe because I'm taking it religiously, ie every day, it is more effective.

Thanks for posting.

[atomic sagebrush]

Just be careful when reducing water intake because since we're cutting back on sodium and potassium, messing with our water intake can screw up the levels even further if you're dehydrated.

I think getting DH to take Sudafed may help a bit, if you want him to, then give him one dose 1-2 hours before attempt.

[atomic sagebrush]

No worries, I'm not drinking green tea. It's difficult enough to swallow down peppermint tea!

Hmm, I'm wondering if the vitex has had an effect, as it is the first cycle I'm using it.

I'm going to make sure I take Zirtek at the right time of day (i.e. 2 hours before BD), cut down on water, drink 1 - 2 cups of tea a day, BD once a day until ovulation, get DH to take Sudafed and keep my fingers crossed we are doing enough!

Take cetirizine 6 hours before attempt, it can take a while to get working.

Personally, I think tea sways blue to some extent.

Maybe the vitex did something - it made me drier, but everyone is different in how we react to these herbs, it seems.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hmm, good question about the Vitex! It's certainly possible. I haven't noticed that, I would tend to think it would reduce ewcm if anything as it's supposed to increase progesterone and reduce estrogen dominance (and estrogen is what makes ewcm). Though since Vitex has different results for everyone it's hard to tell.

The problem with the hormonal herbs (and the blue swayers have this same prob. with diff. herbs) is that what they do is affect the balance of T, E, P and the hormones that send signals about when they're needed. T,E,P are all made from the same raw materials and in fact, you have to make prog before you can make T and E File:Steroidogenesis.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. So we start taking the herbs, and to use Vitex as an example, your body wants to make more prog but at the same time, it may get confused and start making more Estrogen at the same time. It may use the raw materials that were previously getting made into testosterone, and turn them into estrogen and progesterone. Over time this boost of estrogen may go away (esp. on diet) and you can control the CM with antihistamines (in otehr words, don't panic and cancel your attempt, it's not necessary), I'm just trying to show how the hormonal supps can seem to do some things that on paper they "shouldn't" be doing.

Another example is that the blue swayers take some supps to raise T levels and are suddenly dry and have no CM, because the stuff that was going into their Estrogen production, is now being used to make T.

[atomic sagebrush]

I have the same problem here too. I never was a big water drinker, but do drink a ton of diet coke.... I've even been taking sudafed this cycle b/c I have a cold that won't go away, but there is still a lot of EWCM.....

Even if there's CM, it may be different in ways that are not visible to the naked eye.

[Ipadmad]

Thanks so much for posting Atomic, I hope each day is getting a bit easier for you.

I'm due to ovulate next Tue/Wed, and I'm taking Zirtek and bought some Nytol too (not taken that yet). It definitely seems to be late afternoon that I get the EWCM, which is when the one-a-day Zirtek is wearing off I guess (I take it at about 6pm). So it must be having an effect.

[atomic sagebrush]

Today is Wednesday, how goes it??

[Ipadmad]

Hi Atomic, thanks for asking, I ovulated earlier this cycle (I believe Sunday through the night or Monday). I guess the vitex had that effect, as it's my first cycle of taking it (i.e. it's made me ovulate 2 days earlier).

I think you posted on another thread of mine about BD Fri night / Sat night and Monday night (and got my positive OPK Sunday lunchtime). How I was panicking we didn't 'finish off' Sunday night at the crucial time. I'm hoping the Saturday night one was the one, but we'll see (DS2 was conceived from BD 7 days before my positive OPK, though I know my 'conditions' are very different now).

So I'm probably 2 DPO. In the dreaded two ww! I'm tempted to have a break over Christmas if this isn't our month and start again in January diet wise and ttc February. It's so hard to decide whether a few days of Christmas gluttony is worth the risk!

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck!!!! Hopefully you'll get BFP and it will be a very Merry Christmas!