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    Around 700 calories is almost considered to be fasting Amy, you seriously need to eat more. Eating less sways pink, eating bugger all sways all kinds of horrible diseases, and eventually organ failure and death. Not wanting to sound harsh but my step sister is badly anorexic and has made herself infertile FOREVER by fasting for long periods of time. You will not get pregnant at all, boy or girl, if you continue with what you are doing. Please go and see a doctor. Taking the skin of apples is a classic anorexic behaviour (my step sister even peels grapes) Once you get this under control, you can come back and we will all help you sort ot a good girl sway that DOESN'T compromise your health <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodus View Post
    I actually was eating VERY healthy and just not eating ANY rubbish food. Not a single drop of wine, lollies chocolate etc. was following the blood type diet. I didn't feel underweight or look it either. I probably have petite bones. Btw, could be cos I'm Asian and smaller frame. Not sure.
    But I'm now much heavier :P as its hard not to snack.
    I also agree with pp Amy that maybe add a bit more healthy food? What about some meat instead of sugary stuff?
    I have a small frame too Goodus, like I am seriously slender, I have size 3 feet (so I buy childs socks and shoes!) and my wrists are too narrow for watches, my fingers are between a 3 and 4 ring size and before I got preg I had a 23 inch waist lol! While I was always very slim (around 105lbs at 5 foot 7) I wasn't ever stick thin boney, I never looked unhealthy, I always had a curvy bum etc and I ate TONS I just could not keep any weight on. But all my family have tall slender body frames.

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    It's certainly possible, especially for Asians, to have genetically slimmer frames. BMI is on a populace's average and isn't a great singular measure by any means, but being of very significant underweight on the BMI scale (and 16.3 is REALLY underweight!) is a big red flag that needs to be taken seriously.

    Weight alone is meaningless, bodyfat percentage really needs to be considered. But it's much harder to measure. Being underweight to the point of having fertility issues (and the OP is having fertility issues if she's now taking Clomid) means there is a real problem in terms of her current weight affecting fertility. Also it's not just fertility you need to worry about - if you're underweight to the point of losing regular menses and ovulation, that means bigger consequences like early osteoporosis. It's not something to take lightly.
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    Trigger shots don't sway.

    Everyone has already said exactly what I think...you're way too thin and I think you should focus on health now and let swaying go.

    The absolute minimum calories intake for LE diet 1200. Lowest BMI should be 18.5 unless you start out lower, if you are smaller then hold steady.

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    Well, I know that I am now too thin. I can see it in the mirror. But I am about to start my clomid cycle and I cannot go up with my weight now. I am very worried believe me and I am trying to concentrate to eat and keep weight up. I have dropped the 1200 cal thing, I am eating around 1500-1600 to hold steady. I mainly added sweet butter and low salt cheese to add fat to my meals. THanks everyone for your help, I know that you guys are worried, I would be as well, everybody around me is alert and worried especially hubby and my mother. I am seeing a doctor regulary and I know that I cannot drop any more weight. So I am just hoping to stay with my 89 lbs and move on.

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    You absolutely CAN go up with your weight now. The Clomid is going to be swaying for you in a big, big way and so you have the freedom to start gaining some weight. I would love to see you at least up to 1800-2000 cal range and 2200 would be even better.

    I BEG you to drop ALL sway tactics aside from the Clomid and just start eating ANYTHING because it will do you no good if you are too thin and sick to sustain a pregnancy.
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    Thanks atomic. I gained and I feel bad about it
    My weight went up to 91 pounds. Now I totally feel like I ruined my perfect sway. Well hubby wanted me to eat more and I basically just ate more spagetti (whole grain), more cheese and rice and I got addicted to these little biskuit crackers (just binging because I felt depressed- one day 400 cal, I felt so bad). I was still keeping sodium low for sure under 1200mg. But I also ate some dark choc, I know bad and tons of ice cream, way too much on fat and protein and choc. One day I ate an entire bar of milk choc like 500cal. I had to meet people in restaurants and I tried to order just plane spaghetti. That works fine but restaurants boil spagetti in salt water and again I felt bad. I even had a piece of pizza one day. Can you imagine one piece, I used to eat one and a half pizza in one meal. I drank 3 glasses of white wine every evening with hubby. What was the opinion on white wine? It sways blue doesn't it. I drink diet decaf coke during lunch. But I also drink way too much coffee. I try to have it with meals not inbetween, works most of the time. My protein intake is really hight like 45 closer to 50 or so. But I cannot reduce it for some reason. The Doc found out I am missing Vit D pretty bad. But I left it this way, scared to sway blue with supplement that he prescribed. I had my gynocologist ( Ilove him, he helps me with my idea) check the ph and he found out that my level was 4,0 but I was having a bacterial infection so I had to take some antibiotics down there and now I am using Doederlein's bacillus to build it all back up. I do have egg white mucus on the pill which frustrates me. Wasn't I supposed to have none? I have been loosing weight since end of October. Lost the most during november ( I had almost no mucus then) and beginning of december. Then I gained a bit during christmas and lost again during january and beginning of february. Since that I was holding steady by eating around 1600 cal a day. Do you think holding low weight sways pink?Don't I have to let it drop now until I start with clomid in a few weeks? Hubby said he would be ok with easter for a try so I will have to calculate when I stop BCP and start clomid. I am worried if I should do any other swaying tactics. FOr sure I won't be able to get him to do anything. He smokes and he is pretty overweight. His ph was last year 7.Not high. He drink tons of coffee and red bull. Binges cereals and sausages etc, then he won't eat for a day... I cannot get him to take supplements. I had to tell him that I was happy with another boy, well, I just want to try this time, one last time.I see all these skinny women out there with girls. It has to be the diet. The first of all my collegues is getting her second boy. I was so happy when I heard that news. I had been in contact with her during the time she concieved and she basically ate a very boy friendly diet, breakfastm, bread a lot salty cheese, she tried to become vegetarian (because I think she tried to sway sort of). She complained about not beeing able to loose weight, she is pretty big but also has a very boish attitude,and I believe that sways too.
    Sorry for writing too much, Thanks for your help, all of you, good luck

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    Hi ladies i think this is an interesting and useful topic...esp for people like me who are naturally thin and small boned. The LE diet made me loose a lot of weight very fast..i lost about 28 pounds and now weigh 98 pounds. Looking back i think it may have set me up for my miscarriage in oct. My diet was mainly mixed veggies in a wrap or pasta and rice veggie dishes,bagels,some cheese,salads,diet coke and sugary sweets..sometimes chocolate treats. I am now on clomid and i am being a lot more sensible - certinally weight loss at this point is out of the question for me and i have just maintained. I love food and am a natural boy mom in how i normally eat. If i had it back i would have lost less weight and i really believe i would have conceived faster and probably not have miscarried! Going into a pregnancy after heavy dieting and a low bmi cannot be good for you or baby! I agree with everyone on here...you need to have a word with yourself and question what its all about... if i am not preg this cycle...i am in the 2ww i plan on really relaxing the diet like skipping breakie and staying veggie but adding in snacks and nuts and cakes...and pray that the clomid does the trick on its own! Even for this cycle i added in the odd cake and ate more...without gaining weight!
    If you cant get preg or hold on to a pregnancy...u cant have your dd! I understand as well as anyone the desire to have a ddd...i would literally do anything for one and thats how i lost the weight...but i think common sense must prevail. In fairness Atomic does not avocate starving yourself and continously tells us to stay within the limits she has identified as healthy enough to get preg but unhealthy enough to get a dd!! :-) shes the best!

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    Amy, I'm really worried about you. I want you to reread the LE Nutshell and LE FAQ just to humor me because eating plain spaghetti and worrying about a little extra sodium are not what the LE Diet is about.
    http://genderdreaming.com/forum/tryi...l-version.html
    http://genderdreaming.com/forum/tryi...tml#post335985

    It's meant to lower your condition safely and I think these thought patterns you're in where foods are "bad" are not safe. 400 and 500 cals here and there when you weigh 90 lbs are not going to hurt your sway at all and cheating is MANDATORY on LE Diet. TBH - and I do not want to alienate you or make you feel like you can't post, you are safe here and we are not trying to be bossy or judgemental, we just want you to be safe - but I think you should consider seeing a professional because you are scaring me.

    1)You do not need to eat plain spaghetti in restaurants or any time. I ate pasta with marinara and alfredo sauce very often when TTC my girl.

    2)You DESPERATELY need fruit and vegetables and some potassium. PLEASE eat some fruit and vegetables.

    3)Do not worry about sodium, I don't even think it sways, I only leave it in the diet for people who want to include it. I think it's way way easier to stick to diet if you don't limit sodium and you may find a lot of other foods that can help tempt your tastebuds a bit.

    4)pizza is fine and allowed. In fact I think it could be a great meal for you - half a veggie pizza for lunch and again at dinner, along with some salad, fruit, and wine - you wouldn't ahve to count calories or anything and it might help with some of the obsessiveness.

    5)Chocolate and cookies are allowed, I'm not sure why you think those are so bad?? EVen dark choc is fine once in awhile.

    7)White wine is allowed but really you need some actual food here.

    8)45-50 g protein is NOT HIGH, that is the recommended amount on LE Diet. That is what you SHOULD BE getting. In fact, since you have IR and are on metformin, you can even increase that to 50-60 g.

    9)you are not supposed to have NO EWCM, you need some to get pregnant. I had it when I got my DD. You want less CM and it sounds like you are having that.

    10)I personally would love to see you gain 3-5 lbs. I think you will need it to get pregnant with a healthy baby. You should also start the Vit. D. If you do get pregnant, you want to be able to have a happy healthy baby at the end of it all. None of this is worth anything unless you are able to conceive and carry a baby.

    11)Your husband is doing exactly what my husband did when we got our DD. (overweight, smoking, caffeine, eating a lot one day and nothing the next)

    I think it is time for you to go ahead and get pregnant and let the chips fall where they may. The diet and Clomid are the best of all sway tactics, Metformin will also help. please do not add in any more sway tactics, they will only keep you from geting pregnant and that needs to happen NOW. Not in 3 months, ASAP, because this diet is not mentally good for you.
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    Hey hunny,

    please take a step back and think would I be happy if my sister/friend was eating the way I am.

    Hon I know it's hard I do I obessed so much and felt that everything I didn't eat brought me closer to my dd, but hun I would say a sway is about many factors, weight, diet, exercise, mental attitude, state of dh's swimmers, about of sleep, any supps you may have taken, please do consider if these factors may have been what swayed you boy before because your attitude towards food sounds more girl mum than boy mum to me!

    take care my luv please keep us updated as to how you are feeling and remember you may not be o-ing due to low weight xx
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    Thank you Ladies. I appreciate your words. I know something is wrong. I have been sick with sinus problems since January, it comes back every second week. I think I am done with my imune system. I am getting big worries about my calcium absoprtion because of my high coke intake. I am having muscle cramps, which shows that my magnesium levels must be too low. I will get that checked as well at the doc office tomorrow. I keep all of you updated. Thanks attomic of telling me that half a pizza is allowed. Unfortunately I cannot eat it anymore now with a good feeling. I just lost it all. I don't know if clomid will really sway that much. I mean I read for example Armaris sway, and she was just like me and got b/g twins with clomid. that shows that even with diet clomid does not sway that much.
    I will keep u updated.
    Thanks again, and I really don't feel affended at all, I am pretty much at the end anyway...
    Amy

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