Does freshest sperm always win out over older sperm for timing?

[zanacal]

Really interesting thread. I've read many times that timing probably doesn't matter but it's one of those things we've all heard isn't it - and it's difficult to shake the feeling that it's something we should take account of. I conceived all my boys on day of O or the day before, but who's to say that if other aspects had been different (if I was eating (or not eating!) differently or DH didn't have supersperm!) then they wouldn't have been girls. I'm convinced that timing doesn't matter, really I am, but it's taking some courage to allow myself not to worry about it iykwim - because I've read so much in the past about it mattering.

I spend alot of time thinking about timing, what it should be, how I'll know when the timing is right and that's got to be bad for testosterone levels. I'm far enough away from my sway that I could change my mindset and let it go and not have my testosterone levels raised from the worry of it. I'm not there yet though! What's the simplest, least stressful thing to do - to DTD every day until I get a positive OPK? I wonder if that might be an easy, not too stressful compromise!

[atomic sagebrush]

It seems that as Lola said, timing for higher or lower sperm count makes it still worth it???? I'm sure we've covered this 1 thousand times over, but it seems to make sense. If not, I think I'll go diet only from now on. Supps don't seem to be working out much for me.

BUT if you're doing other things that do what timing does more effectively, then timing is worthless.

A lot of this advice is truer for pink swayers, because DTD at or just before O and optimizing sperm count for blue IS actually, legitimately the best way to get a maximum number of spermies to the egg. (but who knows, if timing is irrelevant, it may be better to DTD 2 DBO and then again on O day for maximizing numbers.

Whereas with pink, by abstaining/antihistamine/jumpanddump/jelly you are probably doing everything you could possibly accomplish with timing, and you may NEED to try at or just before O to even get pg because the sperm can't survive a cutoff in such a hostile environment.

[atomic sagebrush]

Really interesting thread. I've read many times that timing probably doesn't matter but it's one of those things we've all heard isn't it - and it's difficult to shake the feeling that it's something we should take account of. I conceived all my boys on day of O or the day before, but who's to say that if other aspects had been different (if I was eating (or not eating!) differently or DH didn't have supersperm!) then they wouldn't have been girls. I'm convinced that timing doesn't matter, really I am, but it's taking some courage to allow myself not to worry about it iykwim - because I've read so much in the past about it mattering.

I spend alot of time thinking about timing, what it should be, how I'll know when the timing is right and that's got to be bad for testosterone levels. I'm far enough away from my sway that I could change my mindset and let it go and not have my testosterone levels raised from the worry of it. I'm not there yet though! What's the simplest, least stressful thing to do - to DTD every day until I get a positive OPK? I wonder if that might be an easy, not too stressful compromise!

I understand totally and if timing was easy and stress free and didn't seem to reduce people's odds of pregnancy so greatly, I would have no prob with timing (even if I personally thought of it as a more advanced spoon-under-the-bed). But it just has such huge downsides, chief among them making people have to stay on the da-- diets for so long, not to mention the risk of raising testosterone in pink swayers, it just does not seem even remotely worth the risk.

What I am trying to accomplish with the Low-Everything/High-Everything diets is to make the diets a little more healthy and user-friendly so we don't HAVE to worry quite so much about people staying on these unhealthy diets and making themselves sick, either by starvation or gaining too much weight. If I manage to come up with a diet that helps with swaying that we can basically stay on indefinitely, we have a lot more leeway with timing and I will become a lot more tolerant of it.

[fourwildones]

Another thing I've always pondered that contradicts the timing theory-wouldn't we have seen a lot more boys with the advent of OPKs and the CB fertility monitor if timing were so important?

Still it's hard to let go of timing when it's been beaten into our generation's heads. I think am ready to let go though, and trust that other factors will prevail!

[atomic sagebrush]

Another thing I've always pondered that contradicts the timing theory-wouldn't we have seen a lot more boys with the advent of OPKs and the CB fertility monitor if timing were so important?

Still it's hard to let go of timing when it's been beaten into our generation's heads. I think am ready to let go though, and trust that other factors will prevail!

Genius!!

[fourwildones]

Thank you! It has always bothered me! CBFM, here I come! LOL!

[iluvmyman]

I let go more this time....or planned to at any rate cuz just doing it once at O was too much of a risk for me. I've totally mellowed out after the 1st attempt though and am much more realistic. I like the O-2, O and maybe 48 hrs after that too. I'm 35 though and don't have time for messin around. Thanks Atomic!!!!

[iluvmyman]

BUT if you're doing other things that do what timing does more effectively, then timing is worthless.

A lot of this advice is truer for pink swayers, because DTD at or just before O and optimizing sperm count for blue IS actually, legitimately the best way to get a maximum number of spermies to the egg. (but who knows, if timing is irrelevant, it may be better to DTD 2 DBO and then again on O day for maximizing numbers.

Whereas with pink, by abstaining/antihistamine/jumpanddump/jelly you are probably doing everything you could possibly accomplish with timing, and you may NEED to try at or just before O to even get pg because the sperm can't survive a cutoff in such a hostile environment.

Sounds perfect. I like the 2 DBO and on O. Feeling much better with that.

[Flava]

I only leave it in because it's a sacred cow that people don't want to do without.

I don't understand this...what? lol sorry

[zanacal]

Genius!!

It really is!