Timing help?

[1moregirl]

Thanks Purple. That's really interesting isn't it?

[maidentomother]

I personally think the 2 attempts statistics are not super accurate, and not actually that successful bc of how poorly many women understand charting/OPKs and bc it's so common to O 2 or more days after the first positive, instead of 1 day after as virtually everyone assumes. So IMO, many of those '2 attempts' are actually only 1 attempts. I think 2 true attempts in fertile period sway pretty blue, especially for couples/women who already have multiple boys.

Plus not a few swayers weren't even OPKing, or charting at all, and are just guessing as to when they think they Oed.

Of course, it's absolutely possible to get a girl with any number of attempts in every BD pattern, especially if you've been on the diet for a good while and have been doing 60+ min daily cardio as well. But for moms of multiple, especially multiple ONLY boys, I think one attempt is pretty important.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks Atomic. Is that something I should do as well? One attempt at positive OPK and another 4 days later (if I can convince DH to do more than one attempt)? I usually always get 2 days of positive OPKs (used the Clearblue Digital Ovulation test without dual hormone indicator) and when I used to do BBT fertility friend would tell me I Oed either sometime the second day of pos OPK or the day after the second positive. Also, isn't it better to BD at night for a girl sway?

Yes I always like people to switch over to e4d after ovuation just in case of fake O but not that many people actually do.

I do not think the time of day matters. I know on IG they claim some daily high/low testosterone/sperm count idea BUT the fact is, that if swaying works, it works for a REASON and not some stupid accident of timing BD. Namely because baby boy vs. baby girl has a better chance of survival to adulthood to pass down genes to future generations. It m akes NO SENSE that a baby boy conceived in the morning would have a better chance of survival vs. a girl conceived at night. If you don't have enough nutrients for a baby boy at 11 pm one day, it makes no sense that you'd have enough nutrients for him at 8 the next morning.

[atomic sagebrush]

I personally think the 2 attempts statistics are not super accurate, and not actually that successful bc of how poorly many women understand charting/OPKs and bc it's so common to O 2 or more days after the first positive, instead of 1 day after as virtually everyone assumes. So IMO, many of those '2 attempts' are actually only 1 attempts. I think 2 true attempts in fertile period sway pretty blue, especially for couples/women who already have multiple boys.

Plus not a few swayers weren't even OPKing, or charting at all, and are just guessing as to when they think they Oed.

Of course, it's absolutely possible to get a girl with any number of attempts in every BD pattern, especially if you've been on the diet for a good while and have been doing + min daily cardio as well. But for moms of multiple, especially multiple ONLY boys, I think one attempt is pretty important.

the statistics are interesting because of what they have told us over the course of time and the one attempt has been solid for YEARS. Now, more people are using it and thus it may appear less effective the last couple months, but I'll stick with the one attempt idea until the data shows me otherwise.

Also please take into consideration the fertility factor - it seems to be the case that since more fertile = more boys, people who are ABLE to get pregnant with one attempt may be more fertile and more set for blue to start wiht. Despite this, it's consistently gotten better results except the last couple months so I still urge, strongly, that everyone at least start OFF doing that and see what happens.

[atomic sagebrush]

Looking at the current stats 1 attempts is best but 2 attempts is not far behind. It drops a fair bit for 3 attempts so I would avoid that!

No. of Attempts:
1
- Total sways 163
- Total success 112
- Success % 68.71%

2
- Total sways 74
- Total success 49
- Success % 66.22%

3
- Total sways 47
- Total success 26
- Success % 55.32%

This info is found here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/tryi...nfo-links.html

I believe this to be a fluke because one attempt has been so good for so long. For at least twice as many months as 2 attempts getting good results, one attempt was getting !!!! FIFTEEN PERCENT!!!!! higher than 2 attempts. I think we're witnessing the combination of several different variables...

1)more people doing 1 attempt including those on less strict sways
2)Majority of people doing one attempt and getting pregnant, were more fertile and may be more set for blue
3)Majority of people doing e4d are less fertile, may have been on diet a long time, and may be more set for pink to start with.
4)like maiden mentioned, the unreliable info on 2 attempts - if someone had a long cutoff or attempt after ovualtion, they could have thought they had one attempt when they didn't. I often see people asking (begging) for assurance that they only had one attempt or did they have two and it is less cut and dry than you might think
5)The overall success of the site has gone up.

re 3 attempts - DON'T DO IT. It has gone up just the last couple months and up until then was in the low 40% range - I believe this to be at the heart of why we had such bad results in 2012 and I really, really dont' want you guys doing that.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks Purple. That's really interesting isn't it?

I really hate to go off on a tangent here but I really wish you guys could consider the fact that I have been doing this since 2008 and witnessed literally thousands of sways over the course of many years and while our stats are certainly helpful, they change and fluctuate over the course of time and I have the benefit of having been here the whole time and seeing the bigger picture (including BOY SWAYS both success and opposite.) When I say I believe in a tactic, I BELIEVE in a tactic and I believe in one attempt. It is super time consuming to go to the mat again and again over it, based on stats that I agree with maiden may not even be totally reliable.

[purple]

Sorry I was just posting the current stats. I understand that you also can't just take one factor on its own too. Those who did 2 attempts may have been sticking to the LE diet better or have other factors that swayed better. Also 2 attempts is a bit vaugue as it could mean two days in a row or O-3 and O day, and as maidentomother said, some women may have had their dates wrong so it could really have been just one attempt.

My post was not intended to override anything atomic says but rather just pointing out where the stats are. If atomic gives you advice then it is probably best to listen to what she says and not then continue to ask for more opinions as it then gets confusing with too many people chiming in with their interpretations.

[maidentomother]

Great points atomic (and purple in your post just above), I also think the 1 attempt stat is likely significantly depressed (I.e. one attempt is more successful than stats show) and I am completely sure that both 2 & 3 attempts seem MUCH more successful than they actually are. The self-reported nature of our stats really affects accuracy and so the stats can't remotely compare to having read through all the individual sways in detail and all related posts by each swayer (which I have close to done for pink sways in the past 2 years) or having done all that for way longer, for blue sways too AND been on IG AND done tons of private consults/plans AND doubtless even more (as atomic can claim).

I think you must be a SAINT atomic bc I couldn't explain everything thoroughly to every new member despite having explained it thousands of times before, and I know you don't get paid a fraction of what you deserve.

[atomic sagebrush]

Sorry I was just posting the current stats. I understand that you also can't just take one factor on its own too. Those who did 2 attempts may have been sticking to the LE diet better or have other factors that swayed better. Also 2 attempts is a bit vaugue as it could mean two days in a row or O-3 and O day, and as maidentomother said, some women may have had their dates wrong so it could really have been just one attempt.

My post was not intended to override anything atomic says but rather just pointing out where the stats are. If atomic gives you advice then it is probably best to listen to what she says and not then continue to ask for more opinions as it then gets confusing with too many people chiming in with their interpretations.

Purple, I apologize rereading that, it was a lot more terse than my intention and I often dash off posts rapidfire without really stopping to reread them.

I feel (relatively strongly) that I unintentionally misled several people in 2011 and 2012 into having 2-3 attempts because at that point we had no clue and no one had even guessed, that number of attempts might possibly sway. So people were doing jellies, frequency, antihistamines, etc and getting boys with otherwise great sways because after 4-6 months passed, I was having them add attempts while keeping the other stuff. We had crap stats that year and I am actually very thankful as many people stuck with us as they did. It was even more puzzling because it was obvious that longer on diet was better and I was obviuosly doing something wrong. It was only over the course of time that I realized 'Oh no, all those people who I had adding attempts, I was hurting their sway' and I still feel very bad about that (and ladies, you know who you are, you are SUPERHEROES because in order to discover this, we had to run this experiment apparently to learn from it, and I didn't intend to make you into guinea pigs). IMMEDIATELY upon changing that ONE seemingly tiny thing, the results started to improve and have gone up and up ever since.

I do not want you guys to fall into that trap that I unwittingly led others into and my point in posting was simply to say, there are reasons that I believe in the one attempt that is not clearly shown in the stats, particularly in a snapshot of the stats at this point in time. There is a LOT going into my thought processes that are not always indicated by a few numbers on a page.

[atomic sagebrush]

Great points atomic (and purple in your post just above), I also think the 1 attempt stat is likely significantly depressed (I.e. one attempt is more successful than stats show) and I am completely sure that both 2 & 3 attempts seem MUCH more successful than they actually are. The self-reported nature of our stats really affects accuracy and so the stats can't remotely compare to having read through all the individual sways in detail and all related posts by each swayer (which I have close to done for pink sways in the past 2 years) or having done all that for way longer, for blue sways too AND been on IG AND done tons of private consults/plans AND doubtless even more (as atomic can claim).

I think you must be a SAINT atomic bc I couldn't explain everything thoroughly to every new member despite having explained it thousands of times before, and I know you don't get paid a fraction of what you deserve.

Thank you. I don't do this to get paid, I get paid so I can do this (seriously). I just really really want as many people to get their DG safely and sanely as is possible and I sometimes get overly feisty LOL