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    What essnce said! CD10'14, 18 should cover you, but it can't hurt to add 22 bc often swaying delays O. Good luck!

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    TTC #1 - swaying pink on & off since Nov 2013 - hoping for a girl first but excited for either!

    Dec 2001 - May 2006 : 5 early abortions of healthy singletons (3 medical @5w, 2 surgical @8w, last 4 pregnancies conceived with late DH, all conceived while TTA/on birth control)
    Mar 2012: miscarried B/G twins @5w (conceived 2 cycles after remověng Paraguard copper IUD while NTNP), one twin was ovarian ectopic

    Me: 34, widowed, late O + short LP, normal-good hormone levels excepting undetectable testosterone, seeking a known sperm donor/life partner
    My sway: vegetarian LE for over 28w, skipping breakfast, fibre (ground psyllium husks) with/before/between meals, physically inactive, drama avoidance, ocassional minimal YesBaby lube as needed, alternate cycles on low dose Clomid, double shot lattes (with meals)
    Past sway tactics I've dropped (in order): Vitex, Sudafed, antihistamines, intermittent fasting, one attempt per cycle at positive OPK, one attempt in fertile period

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    quick question:

    I've been trying to track CM, and felt like it was kinda in the sticky stage starting on CD 8, we took sudafed (IG swaying) on CD 10 to dry up CM and then rephresh and replens the next day for pH. ever since it has been very off. small dry bits of white. I'm now at the end of CD 13 and when I last checked, cervix felt most soft that it's felt, and CM is not very stretchy, but similar to snot. It smears, but there is not very much of it and it's definitely not clear. Basically, I have no idea where I might be at in my cycle or how close I am to ovulation. No positive OPK still so I won't be ovulating on day 14. Should I still keep testing or wait until I see some EWCM?
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    Keep opk testing and BD'ing every 4 days. You can't miss O that way. I often test with opks twice a day. Around 12-2pm and again before bed at night.
    Me: 35 years old. Was an infant nanny and birth and postpartum doula. Now a full time SAHM.
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    July 2016: Laproscopic surgery to remove a ping pong ball sized endometrioma on left ovary and 3 pea size fibroids on outside of uterus. Hysteroscopy to remove one larger "penetrating fibroid" inside uterus.
    Oct 2016: Heartbroken after DH's vasectomy. Looks like my dreams of a daughter are gone.

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    And you can O with no ewcm. LE diet usually dries things up naturally, which is why antihistamines, etc only make it harder to get pregnant.
    Me: 35 years old. Was an infant nanny and birth and postpartum doula. Now a full time SAHM.
    DS1: Aug 2003 (my first home birthed water baby!)
    DS2: May 2009 (my second home birthed water baby!)
    Oct 2014
    July 2016: Laproscopic surgery to remove a ping pong ball sized endometrioma on left ovary and 3 pea size fibroids on outside of uterus. Hysteroscopy to remove one larger "penetrating fibroid" inside uterus.
    Oct 2016: Heartbroken after DH's vasectomy. Looks like my dreams of a daughter are gone.

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    Sounds like creamy CM...common for pink swayers and believed to sway pink. I'd keep BDing E4D as essnce explained.

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    currently TTC, Cycle #16 since last BFP

    TTC #1 - swaying pink on & off since Nov 2013 - hoping for a girl first but excited for either!

    Dec 2001 - May 2006 : 5 early abortions of healthy singletons (3 medical @5w, 2 surgical @8w, last 4 pregnancies conceived with late DH, all conceived while TTA/on birth control)
    Mar 2012: miscarried B/G twins @5w (conceived 2 cycles after remověng Paraguard copper IUD while NTNP), one twin was ovarian ectopic

    Me: 34, widowed, late O + short LP, normal-good hormone levels excepting undetectable testosterone, seeking a known sperm donor/life partner
    My sway: vegetarian LE for over 28w, skipping breakfast, fibre (ground psyllium husks) with/before/between meals, physically inactive, drama avoidance, ocassional minimal YesBaby lube as needed, alternate cycles on low dose Clomid, double shot lattes (with meals)
    Past sway tactics I've dropped (in order): Vitex, Sudafed, antihistamines, intermittent fasting, one attempt per cycle at positive OPK, one attempt in fertile period

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kmomofthree View Post
    I started on IG too and switched over here about 6 weeks ago. I agree with what you say, it is hard to change the way of thinking!

    Our attempt was last night. Fingers crossed for us both!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aholt View Post
    So we had one release when AF ended (to check his pH for IG swaying) and then CD10, I would say it was 4 maybe 5 days between the two releases. I am going to try again on CD14, which should be the day before O. I will do another attempt for CD18 just in case of late O. Phew, I think I got it. Between the two sites, the amount of conflicting information is just insane, it's hard to know what's going on, but like I said, I am definitely preferring what I've read here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aholt View Post
    Last night we did our first attempt on CD 10. He had been abstaining & now we're planning to FR (opposite of our other pregnancies). Last night I did sudafed, lime douche before, propped hips & kept checking. I had almost no cm so checking was a pain & I was almost always between 5-6, I kept up with the small lime injections for 4 hours and went to bed. Today I was still in that 5-6 range so I got replens & rephresh, I used a pea sized amount of replens & at last check I was still at a 5. I've had 4 bottles of CL today & had my cranberry. What do you think I should do at this point? And for tonight's BD what should my step by step before and after be?
    Ok so to answer this first question, LEAVE IT ALONE. All the pH stuff is irrelevant after BD because the design of your body is for stuff to flow out, not up (like your nose when you have a cold.)

    I do not think either cran or sudafed is safe for women and ESPECIALLY not together. That can actually KILL you so I'd recommend losing the Sudafed straight away and seriously rethinking the cran.

    If you're still wanting to use pH, that's totally cool, just do it before you plan to BD. Don't mix RepHresh plus douche though, that can actually cause your pH to rise.

    We have had stellar results with one attempt. So good, and so consistent, despite ALL other sway tactics, that it is looking to us, like the only reason why anyone thinks things like timing and douching work is because they're usually done with one attempt. So while the CD 10 attempt is probably long gone, I'd only hit it with one more attempt.

    I really don't like you guys mixing the abstain and FR. Basically, you send a signal to hubby's bod that he's in a dry spell and then all of a sudden a woman appears and his sperm factory is like "all right" (read that in Samuel L. Jackson's voice, please) and then he starts cranking out TONS of sperm. ABstain + FR is a bad, bad combo and should be avoided. Do one or the other, not both, and abstain is not good for guys over 35 so if he is, go with FR.

    The "anti-pH essay" is here, may be helpful http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...ph-pickle.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by aholt View Post
    I've had a hard time because I started on IG and then found this site but felt like I was already in the trenches of the old sway so just continued for my first attempt, but after being so confused by rephresh and replens came back here because the information is SO MUCH EASIER to understand and presented in a way that actually makes sense (including grammar & spelling) I think I'm going to start testing every 4 hours until smiley & then dtd & again at 48 hours (is that recommended still? I saw it somewhere in an atomic post). I'm trying to get pregnant as soon as possible & have lost 7 lbs in the last month since the holidays so hopefully that'll help me.
    48 hours after pos OPK is only for people who believe in O+12. Most of us stick with one attempt. IF you're in a hurry to get pregnant, 48 hours after OPK is barely better than nothing (most eggs will be gone by then) so for those in a hurry to conceive we have attempts every 4 days and then one additional attempt at positive OPK. This works pretty well both for pink and for conceiving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aholt View Post
    another quick question, with the 4 day schedule, DH should abstain during those 4 days, right?
    It depends on what you want from your sway.

    Best odds of conception are with every 2-4 day release pattern, so if you want to maximize odds of conception then you'd stick with that level of release. IT's a little blue friendly (but honestly we've had good results with it anyway so I think the concerns of regular release swaying blue are totally overblown)

    If you want frequency (this is NOT HELPING our success at all and is actually lower than the overall odds of the site) you'd have DH release every one of those days in between but use the attempt every 4th day as his release that day (don't have him release and then attempt the same day)

    if you have a difficult or uncooperative hubby, we have the "do what he does" method where you don't ask what he's doing and don't try to get him to do anything in particular, so long as he shows up every 4 days to BD. This has worked for quite a few of us (including me) so don't feel like it's a compromise, it isn't.
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