DTD...Fr or abstain question help please

[247mommy]

oh no problem

[247mommy]

Hi Atomic
Just making sure you didn't forget about my questions a couple days ago

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for the bump and patience.

Neither FR nor abstain is getting good results. Both of them have been terribly disappointing. Additionally most of us on here have 2-3-4 or more timing opposites and timing has been totally debunked. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...le-timing.html

What is seeming to work is a combination of diet, exercise, and one attempt in the fertile window. When you got your boys, you had lots of attempts during the time period when you were fertile. You are getting confused and calling this FR, but it ISN'T FR. FR is 7-10 consecutive releases NOT INSIDE of you and then one unprotected attempt. What you guys did was have many attempts in the fertile window which sways blue. It had nothing to do with your timing or the fact that you BD through O either, because you do not even know that it was the O Day attempt that got you pregnant.

So again, I think it would be best for you guys to have your husband do regular release every 2-4 days, this will make a nice amount of fresh healthy sperm, and then keep one attempt. I know it feels scary to do regular release, but the important thing is that one attempt. Both abstain and FR have 12-15% LOWER results than one attempt (with any frequency pattern) so to try to include a frequency pattern, all you're doing is lowering odds of conception. They aren't working, and it's best to get pregnant quickly with one attempt so you don't ahve to stay on diet a long time and end up risking ovulation being delayed or stopping.

No man with a history of chemo should EVER do abstain, regardless of age. That is totally off the table. And FR (true FR) is NOT how you conceived your last two boys anyway. Plus that was 6 years ago and things can change in that time. I really, really strongly urge you guys to do the regular release with one attempt.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi maidentomother
Thanks for the information. One attempt is what I am sure about...it is at the positive OPK that scares me. It makes since though about the sperm builing up inside. I never thought about it that way. I have been doing the IG diet but think I may switch to LE. I'm so confused about the supplements now too because I'm taking the ones that IG says to take but on here I have read I should be taking totally different ones. As far as workouts go I used to do cardio everyday but only about 20-30 min a day. Haven't done anything for a few months though. How important is it to do the cardio?

Cardio is very good results. By far better than supplements or FR or abstain.

Short version of LE Diet is here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/tryi...l-version.html

Some of the IG supps are unsafe, others may sway blue, if you give me a brief recap I'll go over them.

[atomic sagebrush]

haha ok I see you already did LOL

Please don't be sad and confused. It's ok. I understand it feels frustrating to think you have a handle on things and then find out that you don't, but most of us on here got opposites doing things the IG way (or got very ill or couldn't get pregnant) and we're trying to improve upon that to get ourselves and you and everyone else, BETTER chances. We aren't trying to be controversial or diffferent just to be obnoxious, it's because we want more people to get their desired gender safely and sanely.

I understand that every 2-4 days is technically a "blue frequency" but we have tracked our results and KNOW that none of the frequency patterns ALONE are swaying very much if at all (including every 2-4 days for blue) It is number of attempts first and foremost. So please don't worry about that - while I keep them in the mix for those who want to use them, they need to be the first thing to go for anyone who cannot do them for whatever reason (or do not get pregnant with them.) The rules HAVE TO BE different for you. you are in a unique set of circumstances and I fear that if you try to do FR you will get BFN after BFN.

The best thing you can do to lower testosterone (if in fact that is even what is swaying, which we aren't totally sure) is to do LE Diet and fiber. We have used herbs that supposedly lower T levels and gotten really rather disappointing results with them and I would not recommend them in your situation anyway.

Calcium/magnesium, while I personally don't believe in them and got boys while taking them, is at your discretion. But you HAVE TO take them all month long. I know IG claims it's ok to do take them af-o to "save money" but you should NEVER EVER EVER take vitamins/minerals off and on like that. Your body gets used to the higher levels and even excretes higher amounts than normal when you take excess amounts, and then when you stop suddenly it can really mess up your system. Since cal/mag are used by your body for lots of things it can really cause you to feel quite bad (and even possibly cause you harm) to stop and start them this way.

I don't think cranberry is safe (which is why I tend to use aspirin) and our results show it to be totally neutral anyway (as is the aspirin and we have moved away from both.) If you feel like you're tolerating it ok it's up to you though.

Everyone should take folic anyway.

Since you are not drinking the massive amounts of milk and eating tons of chicken and eggs I actually think you're fine to try this month if you want. Your diet is still quite restrictive. What I do NOT want you to do is drop diet now. I would have you switch over to LE which is much less restrictive and easy to stick to, but that is one of the main issues with the IG Diet is that it's so impossible to stick to people end up giving up, even though diet is among the most effective sway tactics. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater here, just let yourself gradually relax on diet in a more LE friendly way without completely abandoning the idea.

Like I mentioned we use aspirin instead of cranberry becuase it's safer since you can take aspirin into early pregnancy and wean off gradually instead of having to drop it cold turkey at O. It also has less nutrients in it. But neither cran nor aspirin has gotten spectacuar results (both appear neutral) and since both have side effects I don't use aspirin that much either any more.

Antihistamine vs. Sudafed - Sudafed is unsafe for women to take particularly when they're also on cran or aspirin. I would not give it to your husband either. Antihistamine does the same thing Sudafed is supposed to BUT the results again have been disappointing (neutral) and it also cuts odds of conception. while most people do give it a month or two, I would not recommend it for you due to your husband's medical history.

Peppermint tea may lower testosterone for DH and DW both but it has really messed up people's menstrual cycles and lowers sperm health and quality by quite a lot. Again not something I'd recommend for you but you can do 3 cups a day from AF-O for you if you'd like.

Cardio needs to be 60 min. Zumba is great. I would not do the musclebuilding ones like t25 or insanity.

[247mommy]

Atomic,
Thank you so much for all your information. Big hugs to you! I have more questions though! I have read many sway attempts and outcomes on an old forum. I can't seem to find very many that are new results. Is there a forum I can look up to find newer ones? I did find a couple newer girl results and they both BD every other day with one attempt. I know you said every 2-4 days to DTD and that frequency doesn't matter but would every other day BD (protected) be an ok pattern for us to do with only one attempt? I feel like I need a set pattern probably from all the other info so fresh on the brain still and from reading others success with that pattern.

I also read today about the peppermint tea messing up cycles so I will not be drinking that. Do you think DH should drink it?

Is Chitosan the correct fiber I should be looking for? That seems to be on a lot of the attempts with girl results. I tried to find it at Walmart and Meijer in the supplement isle....no luck. Is it usually found in the supplements? I haven't tried Walgreens, CVS, or the Vitamin Shoppe yet but I did look online at GNC and found one called:
GNC Total Lean™ Chitosan with Glucomannan. As a dietary supplement, take two capsules with at least 8 fl. oz. of water daily.
Serving Size 2 Capsules
Total Carbohydrate 1.00 g 1%
Dietary Fiber 1.00 g 4%
Chitosan 1000.00 mg 0%
Proprietary Blend 400.00 mg 0%
Psyllium Seed Husks Powder (Plantago ovata) **
Glucomannan Powder (Amoraphophalllus konjac) **
Inulin **
Fructooligosaccharides (FOS) **
** Daily Value (DV) not established
Other Ingredients: Cellulose, Gelatin
No Starch, No Artificial Colors, No Artificial Flavors, Sodium Free, No Wheat, No Gluten, No Corn, No Soy, No Dairy, Yeast Free

Not sure it's even available at our GNC store but is that one ok? If it's not good or I can't find it what is another fiber (pill form) that is easy to find and has been used by several successful girl sways?

Also as far as sugar goes what is the most grams we are allowed in a day?
Thanks so much

[atomic sagebrush]

The frequency doesn't really seem to matter, I prefer every 2-4 days because it allows a better chance of conception not because it sways. Up to you

Any fiber is fine. The one you've listed is fine too.

[247mommy]

Atomic
Is this fiber ok?:
Metamucil Psyllium Fiber Capsules
Ingredients
Psyllium Husk , Gelatin
Nutrition Facts
Serving Size : 5 Capsules
Amount Per Serving % Daily value*
Potassium 25 mg <1%
Total Carbohydrate 2 g 1%
Dietary fiber 2 g 12%
Soluble fiber 2 g *
Protein < 1 g
Iron 0.4 mg 2%
Calories 10 Calories

It says to take 5 capsules 4 times a day. So do I just take the 5 capsules at both lunch and dinner or do I need to take it 4 times? Does it matter if it is taken before or after I eat?

Is there a sugar limit to stay under for the diet?
Thanks

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, that fiber is also ok.

Sorry I see I missed a couple questions there.

I can't comment on whether your DH should do pep tea or not without a Custom Plan because while many people do use it, it's not safe for all guys so I can't say for sure. If he's in good health and has good sperm quality and not on medication it's probably fine for him but he need to do it alone and NOT with licorice. Don't have him use both.

Sway forum is here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway-/ Please do not read anything into sways that peopel post though. Personally I would never do something because 2 people got pink that way. We have results for hundreds of people and it is THAT number you should pay attention to (or not for some things because even our stats can be misleading) http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...hts-stats.html

The only people who need to track sugar intake are those with moderate to severe PCOS. The rest of us, by virtue of limiting calories and having to get enough protein and fat for overall health will be eating less sugar than normal anyway. Don't worry about counting carbs or sugar unless you have pcos

[247mommy]

Ok thanks for that information. I only asked about the sugar limit because I realized my calories were only about 1,000-1,100 and I wanted to add something with dinner high enough in calories but not go over fat, protein,sodium. Everything that has enough calories and sounds good is loaded with sugar....cookies or ice cream. If those are ok I'm all for it! Do you have any suggestions?

I'm sorry I forgot to ask about Olive Leaf Extract liquid or pill form. I can't find any new information on it and was wondering if it still something that works for pink? If so does liquid or pill have better results?