What the heck is going on?

[MrsGoodies]

I know you're trying for a cutoff but this is a primo reason why I do not and never will recommend them. See how control-freaky this is getting here??

A bad egg has nothing to do with whether or not you ovulate.

Yes Atomic I agree. I am usually not this OCD but those O pains i had a couple days ago were unfreakin' real! Never happen to me before...so i thought my sticks were bad bc they expired 6 months ago (never had a problem with expired sticks but i couldnt rule it out).

Anyhow, i agree cutoff is not the best for getting pg, but this is my LAST chance...

Diet + no cut off = boy #3
Cutoff + no diet = boy #2, 4&5
Diet + cut off = girl #1

Should i assume boy#3 was a fluke and bd thru O with diet only?

What would you do in my situation?

[1moregirl]

MrsG - it is possible your previous pregnancies and gender outcomes were influenced by your DH at the time and not solely influenced by your BD patterns and diet/no diet. Also, what sort of cut offs are you doing and have done in the past? If we do the recommended one BD at pos OPK, then that would be a 1-3 day cutoff, depending on when we O. Or are you doing a cutoff with BD once before you get your first pos OPK? Also, remember with the O pains - you can get them before, during or after O itself. In my position, if I had found a definite pattern between having my 2 boys and our 1 girl, I would definitely be trying to repeat the pattern in order to get that second girl. Unfortunately for me, our BD patterns between first boy and then girl were very similar and too complex to try to repeat anyway. Plus my diet has always been the same. Anyway, good luck and I hope you get your BFP this next cycle.

[MrsGoodies]

Hi 1moregirl,

I seriously doubt it is DH at all. He never changes his diet, drinking habits, exercise etc. like to BD (or jerk off) at least every couple days so i cant do abstain or anything like that.

Boy 1 - bd everyday thru O no diet

boy 2 - 2 day cut off no diet

Boy 3 - BD right on O day (was trying to do O+12) + strict girl diet 6 months

Boy 4,5 -BD 3-4 days before O (no diet)

Girl - BD 2-2.5 days before O (similar to boy #2 timing but this time on strict girl diet)

I know from all my hitech cycles that I O around 36 hr after my first +opk so to get a 48 hr cutoff the last bd has to be at least 12 hr prior. With DD it was between 15-20 hr prior.

[atomic sagebrush]

They may not even have BEEN O pain. May have been some other tummy related thing or who even knows.

What you have to understand re whether Boy 3 was a fluke or not, is that swaying is like an iceberg. Most of what is actually swaying gender is down under the surface and what we see is like this tiny little bit sticking up above the water, but most of it was all under the surface. It is ENTIRELY possible that it was none of those things (or that they were just this miniscule part).

All I can do is go back to the studies that have shown NO trend wtih day of BD and gender conceived (the only ones that ever did, used unreliable methods of pinning down ovulation). I cannot recommend cutoff timing for anyone, especially people in a hurry to get pregnant.

You have to do what you can live with of course but I really do see a very strong trend whereby the more little nitpicky details you try to toss into your sway, the lower the results. So I get that it's your last chance, but you may be HARMING your chances of having success for pink the tighter you try to hold on, the stricter you are, etc.

Do NOT BD thru O. I do not and never will recommend that as a sway tactic for anyone. Not only does it not improve odds of conception reliably, it probably sways blue too (particularly for those of us who are good at making boys) so it is a huge risk to your sway for no reliable benefit.

My advice would be to either do one attempt, e4d, e3d, or e4d plus one (do not do e3d plus one!!). But if you're not ready to give up on timing, that is totally fine and up to you, but just try to keep it in perspective and not get so bogged down in the details that you let it control you.

[atomic sagebrush]

what diet were you doing?

[atomic sagebrush]

Ladies, all this plotting and planning and going over old diaries and calendars looking for some magic pattern that yielded your DG - that is NOT why you got a boy or a girl. It was never that you BD on Wed, Thur, Fri only in months with an R in it when the moon was a crescent or whatever.

It makes no sense that it was a magic BD pattern vs. your overall condition and cues from your environment.

[MrsGoodies]

They may not even have BEEN O pain. May have been some other tummy related thing or who even knows.

What you have to understand re whether Boy 3 was a fluke or not, is that swaying is like an iceberg. Most of what is actually swaying gender is down under the surface and what we see is like this tiny little bit sticking up above the water, but most of it was all under the surface. It is ENTIRELY possible that it was none of those things (or that they were just this miniscule part).

All I can do is go back to the studies that have shown NO trend wtih day of BD and gender conceived (the only ones that ever did, used unreliable methods of pinning down ovulation). I cannot recommend cutoff timing for anyone, especially people in a hurry to get pregnant.

You have to do what you can live with of course but I really do see a very strong trend whereby the more little nitpicky details you try to toss into your sway, the lower the results. So I get that it's your last chance, but you may be HARMING your chances of having success for pink the tighter you try to hold on, the stricter you are, etc.

Do NOT BD thru O. I do not and never will recommend that as a sway tactic for anyone. Not only does it not improve odds of conception reliably, it probably sways blue too (particularly for those of us who are good at making boys) so it is a huge risk to your sway for no reliable benefit.

My advice would be to either do one attempt, e4d, e3d, or e4d plus one (do not do e3d plus one!!). But if you're not ready to give up on timing, that is totally fine and up to you, but just try to keep it in perspective and not get so bogged down in the details that you let it control you.

Thanks Atomic.

This was a very odd cycle to be sure.

I am not sure I understand e4d, e3d, e4d+1??

Like if AF leaves cd 5, then e4d= bd cd 6, 10, 14 even if O happens to be on cd 11?? O-1 day cut off

or e3d = bd 6, 9, 12 0-2 day cut off or possibly 0+12 if cd12 did it?

or e4d+1 = bd 6, 10 AND 11?? Right on top of O? how would that not sway boy?

DH likes e2d.

My BD pattern when I conceived my dd was:

AF 1-6, BD cd 7 x2, BD cd 9 AM, +OPK cd10, O cd 11..... so looks like e2d with a 2-2.5 day cut off

I know for sure bd right AT O does not work for me as far as swaying goes. I will never bd AT or after a +OPK ever again.

[1moregirl]

I don't think e4d+1 would work for you MrsG. I think it's more effective for women who O at CD14 or later, so there can be a bit of a gap between your last 4th day attempt and the one at +OPK. I guess if you can repeat what worked for you last time with getting a girl, you should just try and do that and at least you will have peace of mind with it. What diet do you follow for your girl sway?

[MrsGoodies]

Is 3 nites of +opk normal?

+opk cd 10 8 pm,
+Opk cd 11 10 am, 5 pm, 10 pm,
+opk cd 12 10 am, 5 pm, 10 pm

No fade out. FF says i already O.

What does it mean? 2 eggs? Lazy egg wont come out? What?

I usually get 2-3 smilie face (sometimes 1)....now 5 in a row 12 hr apart.

Weird weird weird....

1moregirl, check your inbox.

[1moregirl]

Hi Hun. Yes I checked my inbox and just replied. I have had this happen you know Hun and remember asking about it here too. I think some ladies replied that the third day of pos OPK might be just catching the hormone on its way down from the surge. And I'm pretty sure they said it was no indicator of egg quality. I think I may have even had three days of pos OPK last year when I got my BFP.