How we got our boys 2!!!

[squigglepink]

Ah, thanks and good luck to you too!

[DesiG]

Absolutely, I fell first month with my girls so I am just assuming that will be the case again but your right if I don't it's a bonus extra month on the diet X

I always fell pg first try with all four of my girls, but we tried in June and did not fall pg, but I was kind of happy in the end of being sad, because there is so much I learned from finding gd, I had only found it 2 weeks before our bd. So I feel like I really have a better chance now that I have added a few more things for hubby and I and taking things away that I would have done. I feel really blessed to have found this site. I'm really hoping to fall pg this August!

[atomic sagebrush]

Sending tons of blue dust to my blue swayers!

[Throwaway_panther]

Sending tons of blue dust to my blue swayers! [emoji813]

I have a weird anecdotal question sparked by some recent comments here:

Conceiving boys is dubbed as being from women in "high condition," but I swear between here and real life, I know so many women who got pregnant with girls on first tries (including me), and women who got boys after fertility struggles and sometimes years, if not months, of trying. What are your thoughts?

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[atomic sagebrush]

It's hard to explain but think of it as a continuum. We use "high condition" as shorthand but really, most people who are actively TTC are IN good condition (comparitively speaking). None of us (I hope not anyway) are in truly poor condition in the "famine" sense of the word. We are just trying to speak in general terms about our overall physical condition along with the kinds of signals we get from the environment in terms of diet and lifestyle stuff.

The one end of the continuum is PCOS - they have fertility issues but it's a matter of TOO much - often overweight, too many carbs/cals, blood sugar too high, testosterone elevated and they have fertility problems but it's because of too many hormones (in a very very very general way). Then at the other end of the spectrum is the reduced fertility from hypothalamic amennorhea (poor diet, low cals, low fat, too much exercise, low body weight, etc). This is too low in the hormone department. They both appear from the outside to be "infertility" and can even manifest themselves similarly with delayed O and short LP but they are two totally different things - polar opposites really. The PCO end of the continuum, the body gets confused and makes too much T and not enough P and the cysts that form can delay O. The HA end of the continuum , the body does not have enough raw materials and thus delays O due to lack of estrogen and also shortens LP because not enough progesterone and then also lack of estrogen prevents secondary estrogen surge.

Imagine at one end of the continuum (and this is just for illustration's sake, each individual has a unique set of biological and lifestyle factors coming into play here) that the blue mamas come in to TTC 80% set for boys but still make girls 20% of the time. And the other end of the continuum are people who are 80% set for pink but would still make boys 20% of the time. (of course there are people even further down the ends of both these continuums who may not even be able to get pregnant at all) Most of us are in the middle and what makes it even more hard to wrap your brain around, is that these settings are NOT permanent and change by the month. Most people are trying to correct for things when they have a problem falling pregnant and so this can move them around - it's not like we have assigned places on this continuum.

SO, because these things are not set in stone it's possible for BOTH people who are set for blue/pink and pink/blue to move up/down this continuum, you have cases in point where people who were low in hormones, do a lot of stuff to boost fertility and end up TTC a boy even after a long time TTC but also people who were high in hormones and had PCOS may go on a special diet and lose weight and exercise or take medications to fix their PCO issues and end up able to get pregnant when they weren't able to before but still have a boy. We refer to all this as "high condition" but it's just a shorthand way to describe it.

It is absolutely completely totally 110% possible to conceive girl(s) first month TTC. It is also possible for people to do things to help themselves get pregnant that have some effect from a swaying perspective as well. It is just that the general trend is that those who get pregnant fast have statistically speaking (at least in our experience on this site) more boys, and those who take longer tend to have more girls (in our experience and also in some studies), but that doesn't mean that this is anything beyond a trend that direction with plenty of exceptions.

The world is full of nearly 8 billion people both boys and girls. Neither gender can possibly be that hard to conceive, when we say things like "high or low condition" etc we are just describing trying to move ourselves a little bit up or down this continuum but most of us are ensconced very firmly right in the middle and have every chance at boys or girls. Many of us (esp with only one!!) are just trying to sway the odds from 60-40 to 40-60.

I hope this makes sense, I realize it's a very esoteric kind of idea.

[honeybee37]

Atomic can I ask a dumb question? You mention too many carbs on the pco : set for boy end of the continuum, but why would a girl swayer therefore try to sway girl by eating more carbs? I do worry that I've inadvertently switched myself to a more pcos type thing and I eat way more carbs than I used to..: weirdly my ov is earlier than ever though (always used to be 20/21, now seems to have settled on cd13/14)..: I just don't understand it..: can you explain it to me please?

It's hard to explain but think of it as a continuum. We use "high condition" as shorthand but really, most people who are actively TTC are IN good condition (comparitively speaking). None of us (I hope not anyway) are in truly poor condition in the "famine" sense of the word. We are just trying to speak in general terms about our overall physical condition along with the kinds of signals we get from the environment in terms of diet and lifestyle stuff.

The one end of the continuum is PCOS - they have fertility issues but it's a matter of TOO much - often overweight, too many carbs/cals, blood sugar too high, testosterone elevated and they have fertility problems but it's because of too many hormones (in a very very very general way). Then at the other end of the spectrum is the reduced fertility from hypothalamic amennorhea (poor diet, low cals, low fat, too much exercise, low body weight, etc). This is too low in the hormone department. They both appear from the outside to be "infertility" and can even manifest themselves similarly with delayed O and short LP but they are two totally different things - polar opposites really. The PCO end of the continuum, the body gets confused and makes too much T and not enough P and the cysts that form can delay O. The HA end of the continuum , the body does not have enough raw materials and thus delays O due to lack of estrogen and also shortens LP because not enough progesterone and then also lack of estrogen prevents secondary estrogen surge.

Imagine at one end of the continuum (and this is just for illustration's sake, each individual has a unique set of biological and lifestyle factors coming into play here) that the blue mamas come in to TTC 80% set for boys but still make girls 20% of the time. And the other end of the continuum are people who are 80% set for pink but would still make boys 20% of the time. (of course there are people even further down the ends of both these continuums who may not even be able to get pregnant at all) Most of us are in the middle and what makes it even more hard to wrap your brain around, is that these settings are NOT permanent and change by the month. Most people are trying to correct for things when they have a problem falling pregnant and so this can move them around - it's not like we have assigned places on this continuum.

SO, because these things are not set in stone it's possible for BOTH people who are set for blue/pink and pink/blue to move up/down this continuum, you have cases in point where people who were low in hormones, do a lot of stuff to boost fertility and end up TTC a boy even after a long time TTC but also people who were high in hormones and had PCOS may go on a special diet and lose weight and exercise or take medications to fix their PCO issues and end up able to get pregnant when they weren't able to before but still have a boy. We refer to all this as "high condition" but it's just a shorthand way to describe it.

It is absolutely completely totally 110% possible to conceive girl(s) first month TTC. It is also possible for people to do things to help themselves get pregnant that have some effect from a swaying perspective as well. It is just that the general trend is that those who get pregnant fast have statistically speaking (at least in our experience on this site) more boys, and those who take longer tend to have more girls (in our experience and also in some studies), but that doesn't mean that this is anything beyond a trend that direction with plenty of exceptions.

The world is full of nearly 8 billion people both boys and girls. Neither gender can possibly be that hard to conceive, when we say things like "high or low condition" etc we are just describing trying to move ourselves a little bit up or down this continuum but most of us are ensconced very firmly right in the middle and have every chance at boys or girls. Many of us (esp with only one!!) are just trying to sway the odds from 60-40 to 40-60.

I hope this makes sense, I realize it's a very esoteric kind of idea.

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic can I ask a dumb question? You mention too many carbs on the pco : set for boy end of the continuum, but why would a girl swayer therefore try to sway girl by eating more carbs? I do worry that I've inadvertently switched myself to a more pcos type thing and I eat way more carbs than I used to..: weirdly my ov is earlier than ever though (always used to be 20/21, now seems to have settled on cd13/14)..: I just don't understand it..: can you explain it to me please?

Studies have shown pretty clearly that women who are getting a higher % of calorie intake from carbs vs. protein and fat are more likely to conceive girls (and female offspring all together as many of these studies are done in other mammals). So we cut protein and fat from what most of us were eating and also limit calories overall. What is not always understood is that for many of us, just by virtue of cutting calories, we actualy end up eating FEWER carbs (even on the crash and burn type diet) than we were when we conceived our boys. Going from 3000 cals a day which many of us are eating normally to 1500 while still eating 40-60 g protein and fat you're still eating fewer carbs than you were.

Additionally, not all carbs are created equal and on the PCOS diet, not only do you eat even fewer carbs than on the standard LE Diet but you're also eating BETTER carbs that don't aggravate PCO-tendencies like for example, pop tarts might. Carbs, contrary to popular belief, are not evil foods, they're totally normal foods that we all should be eating and help our overall fertility (the women who do super low carb diets have problems with fertility issues and their cycles going berserk). But there is a huge difference between the "bagel, salad, soda, skim milk, candy, pasta" very low fat low protein carb carb carb diets that many people eat, vs. the atomic fertility diet. Even the crash and burn diet is a vast improvement over those diets. Just because you're getting more carbs as a % of your day's intake does NOT therefore mean you are getting too many carbs.

Additionally additionally, the things like the dropping snacking, adding in exercise, losing at least a little weight improve your insulin response and actually make you better able to tolerate carbs so you can actually eat more of them over the course of time without having the same PCO-tendency response.

The fact that your O has moved forward on the PCO-type diet indicates to me that you are benefitting from those changes and as long as you are able to get ENOUGH cals (because that has always been my concern for you honeybee is that you are not going to be able to stop losing weight on the PCO-type diets) then you should keep doing exactly what you are doing (BUT please also try to keep in mind that I think your original problem was not enough food intake and it may simply be that your body is now recovering from that, so please do not now start living on brown rice and broccoli sprouts because the same problem may very well recur)

[Dreamingblue16.]

Did any of you boy swayers test your ph?

Mine is only at 6 which from what I can see on Google is to low!! I have seen people talking about the baking soda finger - has anyone tried that???

[atomic sagebrush]

Did any of you boy swayers test your ph?

Mine is only at 6 which from what I can see on Google is to low!! I have seen people talking about the baking soda finger - has anyone tried that???

We had tons of pH opposites going every which direction - pink to blue, blue to pink, boys that should've been girls, girls that should have been boys - so many opposites that it became impossible for me to believe in it any more (I got my 4th boy with pH of 4.5) When I researched into the biology of it, it became really apparent that it was not biologically possible that pH was really swaying (if it did, then all the doctors doing sperm sorting and IVF?PGD could just shoot some pH goo into a petri dish with sperm and an egg and they'd not need to do any of that other stuff. But they don't, because it doesn't work to do that) I have an essay with my findings here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...ph-pickle.html

WHat point of your cycle are you testing?? Many people test at other times of the month before ovulation and your pH is naturally low at that time. It will go up around ovulation.

I am not a fan of BSF because it may contribute to infections, it prevents conception, and it BURNS people chemically inside their body!!! I never used baking soda to get my 4 boys!! We like to use Preseed instead because it's safer.

[Dreamingblue16.]

Thanks - no baking soda finger then ouch!!!!

I tested yesterday (Tuesday) I should be due to ovulate on Sunday/Monday!

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