ttc thread - swaying again in 2017 :)

[4blue2pink]

Sounds interesting, thank u so much for your detailled response. Don't know if I would have the willpower to stick to it tho ... You must be very disciplined ��

Yes I've decided to attempt this month as we had 3 attempts the end of last year and nothing so we might as well give it a shot. So few more days until our attempt and what's meant to be is meant to be, plus I'm starving all the time on the Le Diet so it will be nice to revert back to SOME (not all) of my eating habits ��

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im really enjoying it it makes me feel much better than i do when i eat all day long!! so that really helps me to stick at it ahh im so excited for you!! good luck my fingers are crossed for you keep us updated!! xx

[4blue2pink]

I really miss IF. It was sort of my middle ground of "not succumbing to my eating disorder," (though I did slip shortly before conceiving my DD out of anxiety of the future weight gain with a pregnancy.)

For anyone curious, I was fully following IF when I conceived my DD (granted I was also undereating, but I followed an IF lifestyle even on the days when I ate more).

Definitely not a good idea to follow during pregnancy in response to I think someone else -- I just had eaten like that so long, I did with my DD until I tripped a positive on the gestational diabetes test. My midwife and I both agreed that I really didn't have it (it was literally a few points over on ONE part of the test, too) and that my chronic eating pattern (in addition to virtually no carbs before and during pregnancy) made me an uncommon minority with the test. Had no fluid issues, no other issues, low BP, any random blood sugar test was always fine, and my DD was born a healthy 6 lb 10 oz with no blood sugar issues... so no IF during pregnancy, haha.

For anyone curious, no detox is necessary to start it, and people vary in how they do IF. Some people do full 24 hour fasts, others keep it to a 14 hour range. I used to follow a 16-20 hour range, sometimes doing a full 24+.

Leangains.com is a good resource. I think my only thought with IF + LE is that supposedly IF can raise testosterone, and the jury still seems semi-out on how that plays with swaying. Regardless, I was a longtime IF-er + LE-er and got a girl.

thankyou for your reply TP i didnt realise you were doing IF when you got your girl!

yes i agree i wouldnt do it when pregnant, thats scary that it gave you a positive on the diabeties test!! thank god you were both ok and it was just diet related..

the one i follow starts with the detox so i just go along with it.. the point is that you can then add in a small lunch time meal if you want too, but generally i dont, like you i sit in the 16-18 hour range and that really seems to suit me i will have a look at that website! thankyou for suggesting it.

YES it does raise testosterone!! (eek) but i think its very minimal especially in women.. personally i feel that the 16+ hours of low blood sugar will sway pink much harder than a tiny T boost will sway blue but maybe im wrong!! both you and i have girls from IF so i'll take that!! but would be interested to hear oppinions.

how are you finding the HE diet? im not sure id manage well on it it seems more complex than LE (though i dont know much about it so maybe im missing the point!!) just seen your sig how are you getting on with your thyroid issues? do they think that is the reason for the losses? again im so sorry you have been through this, praying you can sort it and get your boy xx

[4blue2pink]

Thanks 4 blue x can't wait to watch your journey this year really hoping you get another girl. I'm one of three girls with 2 older brothers I love big families!

thankyou so much kitten i will update on here and my fingers are crossed for you too!! i love big families so much i think they are amazing <3 wow how did you find it growing up as one of 5? your so lucky to have all those siblings would you like a big family of your own? xx

[4blue2pink]

so excited for you both Butterflies and Amelia!! my fingers are crossed for you both and keep us updated sending you both loads of pink dust xx

[kittendreams]

thankyou so much kitten i will update on here and my fingers are crossed for you too!! i love big families so much i think they are amazing <3 wow how did you find it growing up as one of 5? your so lucky to have all those siblings would you like a big family of your own? xx

Thanks 4 blue.
Being in a big family was great never a dull moment and always something to do or someone to play with. Now we are all adults it's so good when we all get together and we still help eachother and hang out a lot.
I would love a big family but DH only wants 3.....

[Throwaway_panther]

thankyou for your reply TP i didnt realise you were doing IF when you got your girl!

yes i agree i wouldnt do it when pregnant, thats scary that it gave you a positive on the diabeties test!! thank god you were both ok and it was just diet related..

the one i follow starts with the detox so i just go along with it.. the point is that you can then add in a small lunch time meal if you want too, but generally i dont, like you i sit in the 16-18 hour range and that really seems to suit me i will have a look at that website! thankyou for suggesting it.

YES it does raise testosterone!! (eek) but i think its very minimal especially in women.. personally i feel that the 16+ hours of low blood sugar will sway pink much harder than a tiny T boost will sway blue but maybe im wrong!! both you and i have girls from IF so i'll take that!! but would be interested to hear oppinions.

how are you finding the HE diet? im not sure id manage well on it it seems more complex than LE (though i dont know much about it so maybe im missing the point!!) just seen your sig how are you getting on with your thyroid issues? do they think that is the reason for the losses? again im so sorry you have been through this, praying you can sort it and get your boy xx

You are the sweetest! Thank you for your words <3

And yeah, I don't think the IF raising testosterone necessarily ruins a sway... after all, like you said, I got a girl with IF! I just also was following an IF PLUS LE lifestyle... so while I was following the "one meal a day" type deal, I was also really undereating and definitely eating low protein and low everything, haha. I would just hope any girl swayers would note that -- I can imagine following IF but sticking to more HE food choices (like leangains.com recommends just for fitness) might backfire.

I actually don't think the HE diet is too complex at all -- the supplements and stuff and all that aren't necessary; I personally take any that are safe while breastfeeding because I've been taking so many pills all my life as is that it's literally no issue for me to take more, haha. I get a good feeling of control/satisfaction from taking them, even.

Otherwise, HE is pretty easy; pair a carb with a protein and eat frequently -- which is actually the old foot advice dieticians used to give, anyway. Foodwise my issues are -- me missing IF! Haha. Eating frequently is something I picked up anyway mid-pregnancy, and was something of a necessity when beginning breastfeeding, but now about 7 months out... it's hard to not just go back to skipping tons of meals and undereating. I was never a snacker, either, so that's a weird thing to get a handle on. At this point, I'm just splitting my lunches and dinners into two meals so I'm just sort of slow eating, haha.

But yeah, my endo has now said he's pretty sure, considering how easily I get pregnant, that my hypo T4 levels (only ONE of them is hypo, but the most important) could definitely explain the losses. Even looking up recurrent early miscarriages and chemical pregnancies usually brings up results that say it's common and usually an issue with the chromosomes "unless there is a thyroid or other hormonal disorder." It's upsetting, because it makes me wonder if I just lost two healthy embryos because *I* was the problem.

[Butterflies buttercups]

I have found my endo pain has really eased since being on LE I don't know if it's the vitex but I feel so much better around O time compared to being curled up on the sofa in pain normally xx


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[4blue2pink]

Thanks 4 blue.
Being in a big family was great never a dull moment and always something to do or someone to play with. Now we are all adults it's so good when we all get together and we still help eachother and hang out a lot.
I would love a big family but DH only wants 3.....

i love hearing from people who loved being in a big family and who have remained close as adults, i truly hope my lot feel the same when they are all older..
aww well i hope your DH has a change of heart!! its funny how that does happen on this site ALOT!! xx

[4blue2pink]

You are the sweetest! Thank you for your words <3

And yeah, I don't think the IF raising testosterone necessarily ruins a sway... after all, like you said, I got a girl with IF! I just also was following an IF PLUS LE lifestyle... so while I was following the "one meal a day" type deal, I was also really undereating and definitely eating low protein and low everything, haha. I would just hope any girl swayers would note that -- I can imagine following IF but sticking to more HE food choices (like leangains.com recommends just for fitness) might backfire.

I actually don't think the HE diet is too complex at all -- the supplements and stuff and all that aren't necessary; I personally take any that are safe while breastfeeding because I've been taking so many pills all my life as is that it's literally no issue for me to take more, haha. I get a good feeling of control/satisfaction from taking them, even.

Otherwise, HE is pretty easy; pair a carb with a protein and eat frequently -- which is actually the old foot advice dieticians used to give, anyway. Foodwise my issues are -- me missing IF! Haha. Eating frequently is something I picked up anyway mid-pregnancy, and was something of a necessity when beginning breastfeeding, but now about 7 months out... it's hard to not just go back to skipping tons of meals and undereating. I was never a snacker, either, so that's a weird thing to get a handle on. At this point, I'm just splitting my lunches and dinners into two meals so I'm just sort of slow eating, haha.

But yeah, my endo has now said he's pretty sure, considering how easily I get pregnant, that my hypo T4 levels (only ONE of them is hypo, but the most important) could definitely explain the losses. Even looking up recurrent early miscarriages and chemical pregnancies usually brings up results that say it's common and usually an issue with the chromosomes "unless there is a thyroid or other hormonal disorder." It's upsetting, because it makes me wonder if I just lost two healthy embryos because *I* was the problem.

yes your right i imagine eating a really high nutrient diet while IF would come back to bite you sway wise.. im not a big meat eater anyway and if i do eat it its always white meat and only a small amount, i developed a huge meat aversion during my last pregnancy that im still not over!! i try to do LE type foods when i eat.

im glad your finding HE good and ive got to say re you enjoying the control/satisfaction of it all.. you are such a boy mum!!!!! keep up with the snacking im convinced its the biggest key to blue i feel you with the slow eating haha i have to split my IF meals down over a longer period too as i cant sit and eat a large amount in one go, ive always bin like that which is why i got into the habit of just picking at small bits of food all day everyday (and got 4 boys haha)

this must be so tough for you <3 but im so glad you have found an answer, because it means you can work towards sorting it out, and it hits home with me when you say about feeling you were the problem.. when i lost my daughter she underwent a full postmortem and i had blood tests and swabs done for infection and things.. my results were normal so i cant blame it on an infection, and her results were all normal too, she was 100% normal and healthy and so was her placenta and cord, i have always felt that i failed her because there was no reason for her death, she was as normal and healthy as all my other babies yet she still didnt make it.. i was initially convinced i couldnt carry girls as i had 3 boys in a row after her!! but i have now been able to lay that to rest thanks to my 2 youngest girls, but i will always feel that she shouldn't have died.. i hope me saying this isnt upsetting you more, i dont often go into details because it can be upsetting for others to read but i just wanted to say that i understand where you are coming from and i have everything crossed for you for your next pregnancy xx

[Throwaway_panther]

yes your right i imagine eating a really high nutrient diet while IF would come back to bite you sway wise.. im not a big meat eater anyway and if i do eat it its always white meat and only a small amount, i developed a huge meat aversion during my last pregnancy that im still not over!! i try to do LE type foods when i eat.

im glad your finding HE good and ive got to say re you enjoying the control/satisfaction of it all.. you are such a boy mum!!!!! keep up with the snacking im convinced its the biggest key to blue i feel you with the slow eating haha i have to split my IF meals down over a longer period too as i cant sit and eat a large amount in one go, ive always bin like that which is why i got into the habit of just picking at small bits of food all day everyday (and got 4 boys haha)

this must be so tough for you <3 but im so glad you have found an answer, because it means you can work towards sorting it out, and it hits home with me when you say about feeling you were the problem.. when i lost my daughter she underwent a full postmortem and i had blood tests and swabs done for infection and things.. my results were normal so i cant blame it on an infection, and her results were all normal too, she was 100% normal and healthy and so was her placenta and cord, i have always felt that i failed her because there was no reason for her death, she was as normal and healthy as all my other babies yet she still didnt make it.. i was initially convinced i couldnt carry girls as i had 3 boys in a row after her!! but i have now been able to lay that to rest thanks to my 2 youngest girls, but i will always feel that she shouldn't have died.. i hope me saying this isnt upsetting you more, i dont often go into details because it can be upsetting for others to read but i just wanted to say that i understand where you are coming from and i have everything crossed for you for your next pregnancy xx

You didn't upset me at all, and I'm so, so sorry you struggled with all of that. Knowing what I know about science, it makes me wonder if one day they'll discover some unknown condition that might have been the cause. Not all genetic and chromosomal issues are recognized yet -- we only can recognize and explain a few, so even if she seemed "normal," it's possible something was still off. It's crushing, and brutal, but definitely nothing you did <3

My therapist pointed out to me -- back when I was pregnant with my DD and so depressed I thought I'd even miscarry my DD -- women carry healthy babies through war zones, through addiction, etc. We -- at least, people like you and me (I guess boy moms, haha) -- are so desperate for control that we'll look to blame ourselves first rather than chalk things up to "it just happened." Finding "reasons" feels better than thinking we don't have that control.

It's funny that you developed a long standing meat aversion from your pregnancy that can only help your girl sway -- I developed a coffee aversion at literally 3 weeks pregnant with my DD that has still not gone away! It's like our kids are helping our sways