What next?

[Jeanette]

Hi!

So, another failed month. No pregnancy in sight. And an echo in my head "why isn't it working" last time was so easy.
I started my sway in february and have been TTC since april. I know it can take some time but the stress is now getting to me now. I want to give my 5 year old a sister (preferably) NOW.
I started out with one attempt at OPK+ first three ovulations. Last two months I did two attempts, but still nothing. Maybe I O later than I think!!
My cycles usually are 26 days and I get solid smiley CD 11 and 12. So I would assume I O on CD 13.

My question is how blue would it be to go e4d plus one attempt at OPK+? Or even e3d? What should I do to keep best odds of pink but still boost odds of conception at this stage?

I'm 36 and DH 39.
Only thing I do is vegetarian diet and some cal control. Have been loosing 5-6 kg since february, trying to stop the weight loss now, BMI just below 20. No snacks or breakfast. Only take folic acid.
Drink coffe and alcohol.

Thanks in advance for advice 😘

[atomic sagebrush]

I think you will be better off trying e4d without the additional attempt for at least 2 more months before going to e4d plus one at pos OPK. That is actually fairly blue friendly so I think you should at least try e4d first. To do this, have unprotected sex every 4th day starting the day after AF ends and keep going right through your next AF starting (unless you are 110% sure you know when you ovulated). You may be Oing earlier or later than you think. Don't try to make the e4d come out any particular day, we are counting on adding in a variation in the day you are attempting in case we are outwitting ourselves in the timing of our attempt.

ARe you doing anything like shallow release, J and D, hubby taking hot baths/tighty whiteys, lubricant jellies (even just saliva)?

I would try laying flat longer after attempt and spending part of that time on your stomach instead of just on your back, and also adding in female O to boost odds of conception.

[Jeanette]

Thank you Atomic!

Ok, I will try to be chill and go only for the e4d. In general, is that better odds of conception than one attempt at pos OPK?

No, I do nothing else like J and D, jellies, baths etc
Usually lay flat at minimum 30 min after.

/Jeanette

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, it is better because if you O early or later than you think you're still in with a chance.

spend part of your laying down time on your tummy. This seems like a small thing but has really helped.

[Jeanette]

Ok, on my tummy it is

What about e3d, how blue is that? Same as e4d with additional attempt at pos OPK? Just curious.

What is the stats between one and two attempts? Yeah, you can hear the stress talking huh...

You rock!

[atomic sagebrush]

The thing I dislike about e3d is that it is blue friendly and it doesn't even help boost odds of conception that much. Totally possible with e3d to have an attempt on O-2 and then on O Day (possibly too late to help) and that is still only one viable attempt (if everything from the O-4 attempt has died off) and if the O-4 hasn't died off and the O Day is not too late, that is the dreaded 3 attempts!!!

With e4d, you will always end up having 2 attempts in the fertile window no matter what. I just really prefer the e4d plus one.

Our present stats are not that illuminating on the difference between 1 and two attempts (this is because as "one attempt" became a thing, more and more people started doing it, and some of them didn't do diet and exercise, only did one attempt, and the success rate fell). But historically, there was a very clear cut difference between one attempt at 70% or better, two, which was about 60-65%, and then three attempts which fell all the way down to low 40's%. It was like this before we even knew one attempt did anything (so it couldn't have been people reporting it that way to make the stats "right", the results showed us one attempt was swaying, not the other way around) and stayed like that for years with hundreds of sways added. The gap between the two has closed recently but I think that's because people are doing one attempt and nothing else. So if you can stick with 1-2 attempts, it is WAY better than 3!

[Jeanette]

Ok, i will absolutely stick with e4d, lay on tummy and continue the veg diet.

I find this so interesting What are your thoughts on two attempts in a row at pos OPK? I for exemple usually get a solid smiley at CD 11 and CD 12. Is that more blue than the e4d? The problem with possibly not hitting O will still be there but otherwise?

[Jeanette]

Ok, i will absolutely stick with e4d, lay on tummy and continue the veg diet.

I find this so interesting What are your thoughts on two attempts in a row at pos OPK? I for exemple usually get a solid smiley at CD 11 and CD 12. Is that more blue than the e4d? The problem with possibly not hitting O will still be there but otherwise?

I mean e4d plus the additional attempt at pos OPK in comparison to two attempts in row.

Another wondering I have, people seem to focus a lot on the attempts, when and how instead of the diet. Or maybe it is just the threads I choose to read
Are they equally important or is one superior over the other? Myself focus a lot on the attempts now beacuse I have been doing veg diet and cal control for so long (do not count anything). Feeling quite relaxed and this is just how i eat now. Of course, in the 2ww I hope that it is the last month.

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok, i will absolutely stick with e4d, lay on tummy and continue the veg diet.

I find this so interesting What are your thoughts on two attempts in a row at pos OPK? I for exemple usually get a solid smiley at CD 11 and CD 12. Is that more blue than the e4d? The problem with possibly not hitting O will still be there but otherwise?

I don't like that approach as well because you're not covered in case of early or late O. Let's say you O on CD 10 or CD 17 and the OPK are misleading so you end up trying on CD 11 and 12. That will have you in with zero chance. Or, let's say that month you O 4-5 days late - you still surge and get positive OPK, but your body just hangs on to the egg a little longer than normal - again, if you're not having the e4d attempts you'd miss the month.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think that may just be the threads you've read.

When looking at the one attempt, MOST of those people (not all, but most) were also doing diet. I think diet is paramount, one attempt is great if you can swing it (or if it's all you can do) but I don't want people to rely on one attempt - after all, like I mentioned yesterday, the more people started to rely on one attempt to carry their sway (the people who did ONLY one attempt without diet or with only a very short time on diet) the results on one attempt fell at the same time. Diet first and foremost.