Sperm-spinning and sway TTC girl

[Yarmon]

Hi,

After 3 boys with 1 basic and 1 serious sway and now 3 failed gender selection IVFs I am thinking about one last attempt with local sperm sorting + clomid.

I am 41 and likely success is very low. I want to do a gently sway so as not to reduce my chances of conceiving. To be honest I am feeling very down and researching again is overwhelming for me. I would need to sway in the next month or so as my fertility is declining rapidly. I would love some direction and support.

Many thanks

[MrsEnglish]

Hi!

I am a newbie to swaying, but what I believe I read is that there is no proof that sperm spinning works at all. The only "studies" showing it sways we're done by people selling spinning products, and no independent studies have reproduced those results. Sounds not worth it.

If you use Clomid (I did!), start with 50 mg, because larger doses have worse side effects. Also don't use Clomid for more than 4-6 months in a row because it's cumulative effects hurt fertility and can make your lining so thin that you can't get pregnant.

Hope I gave you correct information, I'm not positive about the spinning, that's just what I think I remember.

Good luck!

[Blushpinkbabyxx]

If you can do it, I highly recommend getting a custom plan and coaching from Atomic. I’m currently waiting for my plan to be completed so I haven’t been able to dive into it or personally work with her yet, but from what I’ve seen Atomic is a wealth of knowledge and a huge support during your sway. The personalized plan is the way to go.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi! I replied in your other thread but copied it here for you.

The unfortunate truth about swaying is that other than diet and exercise, there IS no pink sway that doesn't involve reducing chances of conceiving. Since your odds of conception with IUI+spinning is already sooo low, we have to be very cautious not to have you then take a bunch of herbs (or have hubby do so, either) or aspirin or antihistamine or try for douching, timing, frequency. None of those things work and will really cut odds of conception hugely.

Now, I know this isn't what you want to hear but the sperm spinning doesn't really work. When scientists tested it, they found the same number of X and Y sperm even after the spinning, and Dr. Ericsson, the founder of the spinning method, has admitted this. He claims that the spun sperm go on to make different numbers of XX and XY but this has never been established by independent researchers.

The only method that really did work to alter numbers of X and Y sperm was Microsort and even that didn't work...very very few people conceived while doing it, and of those handful, some still got opposites. I know a woman who got a boy with a 92% X sperm sort!! Plus, Clomid, while it is a great pink sway (and it's very likely that the only reason why spinning appears to do anything is because it's done with Clomid) is not going to be best for women over 38 or so because it causes FSH to skyrocket, which is bad for egg quality. Is there any way to do the spinning with Femara, if you end up deciding to do it?

So to focus on what you CAN do, I'd suggest you do atomic fertility diet here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-...-sugar-issues= and exercise cardio 60 minutes a day, 4 or more days a week.

Have hubby do regular release every 2-4 days. This will make a good number of healthy sperm to better enable you to get pregnant with the spinning+IUI. You can also give him olive leaf extract 500 mg a day started right away and continued till BFP at which point he should gradually wean off.

That's it. That is all you should do. No herbs, jellies, douches, abstains or daily releases, no timing schemes (and if your clinic suggests "hey let's do the IUI 3 days before O" then RUN as fast as you can in the opposite direction because they do not have your best interests at heart). Don't do ANYTHING physical for DH like hot bath, jogging/biking, tighty whiteys that cut odds of conception.

[Yarmon]

Thank you so much for this!
At the moment DH is so exhausted by everything he just wants to try naturally. I am not sure how I feel about that. It sounds like IUI is not going to increase X in any case...
Can I ask why not IUI 3 days before?
If I decide to sway naturally then do you suggest exactly the same as you wrote for IUI?
Many thanks

[atomic sagebrush]

Because IUI 3 days before ovulation has literally ZERO chances of conception. The sperm is washed and this causes it to live much less time. So it would all be dead before the egg showed up. THere are disreputable clinics that claim to do IUI in line with Shettles timing and they are scammers because they know you have no chance of conceiving that way.

And yes, I'd have you do exactly what I recommend for the IUI because at 41, time is not on your side and you need to avoid everything that doesn't work but cut odds of conception, and focus only on the things that do work.

[Yarmon]

Thank you so much!

So Clomid is DEFINATELY out for me?
Does Femara not sway boy?

So basically for me it's diet and exercise? Nothing else? Do I need to think about PH or ions or any of the other stuff?

The diet link you gave me is for hypoglycemia - is that what you meant to show me?

DH should release no more than every other day and no less than every 4 days? (He usually releases most days) And we should BD as often as we want or is there a plan to it?

What is olive leaf extract for? How about things like Wellman conception? Liquorice root? Cranberry? Anti oxidents (eg C, E)? L-Arginine for DH?

DH's sperm is apparently pretty good according to the tests. My egg quality I have been told is very low these days.

I was taking the following:
Vitamins D, E and C
Folate
Prenatal conception
Evening Primrose
Iron
Ubiquinol
Omega 3
NAC
Magnesium
Calcium Citrate
Cranberry
Should I continue any of them?

Thank you so much

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok this is a bit longer than I anticipated, can someone bump this for me for tomorrow?? I just sat down for a sec to drink a cup of coffee and do a couple short posts.

[atomic sagebrush]

And yes that's the right diet, it's better for egg qualtiy as well.

[Yarmon]

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