BD for this cycle

[Heart desires pink LP]

Hi atomic
I'm TTC pink and we BDed yesterday. Last night was CD 16. I'm aiming for one attempt and 2 day cut off. Last month, I got +OPK on CD17 eve and ovulated on CD 18 between 7 pm and 10pm approximately. So with that data in mind, I picked yesterday for my one attempt.

When I BDed yesterday, no +OPK. As of today, no +OPK either. But it's only 4 pm my time.
So now I'm caught in a dilemma...

If I get +OPK tonight, then I will likely ovulate on CD18 and my one attempt will be at a 2 day cut off (which does have some chance of conception). So I do nothing, but sit tight....

If I don't get +OPK today, I will likely ovulate at CD 19 or maybe even 20. That puts my one attempt at 3-4 days prior to Ovulation and might likely not result in pregnancy... So should I BD again, at +OPK? If I do that, I risk more than one attempt!
So I'm confused!

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[Heart desires pink LP]

Adding my opk results here for this cycle

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[atomic sagebrush]

My rule of thumb is that you wait either 72 or 96 hours and have another attempt (so this will be e4d method in either the "Monday/Thurdsay" pattern or "Mon/Fri" whichever feels right to you...closer attempts are better for conception, further attempts are better for pink possibly)

So if you get a positive OPK today or tomorrow, stick with the attempt you've had. If it's 4 or more days out, have another attempt. If it's 3 days out you can make the decision based on whether you want better odds of conception (if so have attempt) or better odds of pink (stick with attempt you've had.)

Neither every 72 nor 96 hours will be more than one attempt though. This is because if htere's anything still remaining from yesterday's attempt it will fertilize the egg before the next attempt can capacitate. And if there isn't, the second batch will then have time to capacitate to make it to the egg. This is more certainly one attempt with 96 hours but most people are doing e4d in 72 hours and are still getting good results for pink.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yep OPK all negative so far.

[Heart desires pink LP]

Thanks atomic! I'm really kicking myself for BDing on Cd16. Clearly my ovu is delayed this month. I should have just had one attempt at +opk like you told me to. Attempting for O-2 is very hard and can cause mistakes!

So that said, it's CD 18 AM and no +OPK yet.
This is my first cycle in TTC. If I understand you right, you are saying to BD again after 72 hours hours from my earlier attempt if no sign of +opk today or tomorrow? But I also want to do timing for my sway and that would put me on the boy zone!

How much success have you seen from BD 3-4 days before ovulation? Thank you.

If I BD again today (48 hours from earlier attempt), I'm more likely to get pregnant and still have a cut off. But does this put me in the blue pattern of BD?

I'm feeling bummed out that I've messed up my first attempt at TTC and now will likely have to wait another month to try again :_(

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[Heart desires pink LP]

Here's an update I wanted to share, my friend.
Is CD 18, late night and still - ve opk but lines are getting darker than earlier.
So I'm guessing tomorrow by evening, I should be showing a +ve OPK, which means I will likely ovulate on CD 20. My BD attempt from CD 16 is likely pointless, given the current scenario.
I will BD tomorrow night. This puts me at an attempt on 1)+ ve OPK 2) 72 hours since earlier attempt, which you said is still pink friendly and closer to one attempt!
Wish me luck!
Thanks again



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[atomic sagebrush]

Timing for pink really is impossible to get right and keep that in mind when you look at people who SWEAR up and down that timing worked for them...unless they had a blood test or an ultrasound, no one knows when they ovulated really. Even when people perceive they have a regular spot on cycle they can be wrong. I have a super super regular cycle, always have, but since I started this site I have been really tracking my cycles very closely and have found that even though it's usually 28 days, it actually varies from 26 to 29 days and it probably always has (since often my period would start on a certain day of the month which cannot be the case with a 28 day cycle, or I would sometimes be caught by a surprise period on vacation when it came earlier than I thought). Now, with my 3rd, 4th, 5th kids I know when I BD in relation to O because I'd gotten good with my symptoms (and I have super obvious mood shifts with ovulation) and with my 1st and 2nd I know when I BD in relation to O because we were trying to prevent pregnancy and stopped BD very early in the month but I got pregnant anyway (likely with an earlier than CD 14 O, esp with Son #1, and with Son #2 my husband changed his mind about TTC and we didn't have sex anywhere close to CD 14 LOL but I still got pregnant). The point of all that is that even with a regular cycle ovulation easily varies a day this way or a day that and people simply don't realize it because their period shows up about when it should (and even though this happened to me and I admit that my cycle varies, I am still quite sure that I got 3 boys with a Shettles cutoff and the girl without one! Other boy was a sneak attack, not sure where I was in my cycle since I wasn't ovulating due to breastfeeding)

If you want timing for your sway then I can't advise you any better than I already have. Timing is not going to work with an irregular cycle unless you have a fertility monitor and BD on the second "high" reading instead of at peak and it's too late to start with a fertility monitor this month. (plus, when using the fert. monitor you can get more days of "high" or go right to "peak" with no days of high so even that is not a surefire fix) IF you want timing you're likely going to have to stick with the attempt you've had and hope next month your cycle is regular.

I think it's a huge step in the wrong direction to BD 48 hours after a previous attempt. That is two attempts (depending on when O falls) and for all you know you're ovulating right now. You are putting sooo much emphasis on these OPK being reliable but they aren't, it's entirely possible to have false negative OPK. So you could very, very easily end up having 2 attempts, one of which falls right on O Day for all you know and not accomplish any of your goals. I find this to be a huge risk (first month out!) trying to chase a tactic that does not work (timing) at the expense of something that does (one attempt)

I am hoping reading your update that it all goes down just like that!

[Heart desires pink LP]

Thanks for the info above, atomic. So turns out that it's CD 19 (10pm) and strangely no sign of +OPK. In all my several practice cycles, I've had clear, positives on days 18 or 19. The actual TTC cycle is turning out to be different
I noticed some EWCM around midday today, and then by 6 pm it got sticky /cloudy. But opks didn't pick up anything. Current Temping doesn't shed light either.

So if I did ovulate already, I'm hoping my Bding attempt on CD16 will cover me.

If I haven't ovulated yet, I will get another attempt in at +OPK, which will end up being E4D or later (which is good too)
It's possible I might get a +OPK in the next 2 days.

Now, would you recommend that I wait for a (potential) positive opk and then get the attempt in, or get one in tomorrow (96 hours since prev attempt, irrespective of +OPK )?

Thanks a ton!

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[atomic sagebrush]

It almost always does go completely pear-shaped as the Brits say, in the month of TTC.

You can't go off CM, unfortunately, because CM is caused by hormones and not ovulation itself. So what can happen is that if your body decides to delay ovulation, you'll still have a hormonal shift and the EWCM may dry up, but if your temp doesn't rise it's likely that you did not actually O.

Since you're on your first month I want you to follow your gut instinct. What do YOU want to do? Wait for OPK (this may mean you end up missing the OPK, if you're having false negatives on them) or go to e4d method (in the 96 hour way)? I think it's likely fine to go to e4d now but I don't have as high faith in e4d as I do in one attempt just yet, because it's newer and I don't have a good feel for how the results are really going to shake out over time.

If you really can't decide, flip a coin and do what the coin says.

[Heart desires pink LP]

It almost always does go completely pear-shaped as the Brits say, in the month of TTC.

You can't go off CM, unfortunately, because CM is caused by hormones and not ovulation itself. So what can happen is that if your body decides to delay ovulation, you'll still have a hormonal shift and the EWCM may dry up, but if your temp doesn't rise it's likely that you did not actually O.

Since you're on your first month I want you to follow your gut instinct. What do YOU want to do? Wait for OPK (this may mean you end up missing the OPK, if you're having false negatives on them) or go to e4d method (in the 96 hour way)? I think it's likely fine to go to e4d now but I don't have as high faith in e4d as I do in one attempt just yet, because it's newer and I don't have a good feel for how the results are really going to shake out over time.

If you really can't decide, flip a coin and do what the coin says.

Thanks atomic! I think I will just wait for the next cycle. No positive opk yet and attached is my FF chart. Looking at the chart, I think I may have ovulated on CD 18, and the tests didn't catch it! I will leave faith in my one attempt at CD 16, given that I'm currently unsure about my ovulation!

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