New 2018 Clomid AND Femara support threads!

[missiz]

Can I ask what your advice is in regards to taking Clomid while breastfeeding? She only feeds once at night to goto bed, is it something that could be dangerous for her?

[atomic sagebrush]

Thomas Hale (the expert on nursing and medication) has Clomid as safe while breastfeeding. Tons of people use it while nursing and I would be fine with taking it personally. https://kellymom.com/nursingtwo/reso...c-while-bf.pdf

[MrsEnglish]

I think I'm CD 16, and I got almost ewcm today for the first time. Hopefully we'll make an attempt on Tuesday.

This is exciting that I seem to be ovulating on my own. This is my 2nd cycle without Clomid.

[atomic sagebrush]

That's so exciting! Good luck Mrs. E!

[MrsEnglish]

Soooo.... we made an attempt today, but I'm pessimistic about it. Two weird things:

1. I'm still getting mixed cm. There is totally one part that is all ewcm, but mixed in with it is a thicker cm. The thicker cm kind of floats on segments of the ewcm. Usually I get small amounts of this mixed stuff for a couple days before getting large amounts of pure ewcm, but this cycle I've had two days with small amounts of mixed, then today I got huge amounts but still mixed. So it's possible that I'll get pure ewcm soon, and then ovulate in a few days, but also possible that my cm quality (though not quantity) has gone down inexplicably. I'm not sure whether sperm would be able to get through the thicker parts.
2. I haven't been temping this cycle, but I took a random afternoon temp today and it was high -- like the afternoon temps that I get post O. I think it was just a fluke, but there's a small possibility that I ovulated yesterday. I've never ovulated before getting pure ewcm though.

I had 12 months of TTC my daughter and approx 6 months of TTC #2, and every time I feel like I should be an expert in TTC, my body throws me for a loop and I'm like "Am I about to ovulate? Did I ovulate? WTF?"

Hope everyone else is happy and healthy

[emshe]

So good Mrs English. I think that whenever we're wanting things to be clear and simple thats right when things become different and confusing, keeping us guessing. Its so frustrating. Good luck!

[emshe]

Atomic! Advice please!

Ive just seen first sight of blood this morning, so today or tomorrow will be CD1 of my agreed with hubby last cycle ttc. I am wondering what I can do to up my chances. Background reminder for you 38 lost my pregnancy with my HT girl in November. Took clomid March (one attempt at +OPK), April (E4D), May without clomid (but also pretty much a month off ttc), and June with clomid all without success.
My last 2 cycles have become longer but I am still getting +OPK and ewcm. I ovulated CD22 both May and June.
I asked for clomid. Dr told me to take it CD1 but I have gone with CD3

I have to remember that I am trying for a girl. Was thinking I will definitely do E4D plus one at positive OPK but the OPK's really stressed me this month as did temping because I have gotten into a really poor sleep pattern I think due to wanting to temp accurately...
Should I ditch clomid? Take it earlier? I know that carries risk of multiples but is that a good thing giving me more chance?

My weight is stable, and has been for a couple of months. I am doing fertility diet focusing on lentils/black beans/some chicken with adding salmon, egg whites (belly cant tolerate the yolks anymore) 4 x weekly, heaps of veges mostly free type, exercising (although I have just had 4 days off due to awful weather and just feeling fatigued-thought I may have had a shot at bfp this time), dropped coffee to 1-2 a day and then 1-2 decaf. Alcohol I was having 1 per day.

I also take metformin 3 x daily. This was started at HRC and I continued as they link it to improved egg quality. Thoughts?
I know this is long Atomic, Im sorry, just wondering how I can go out on a high as my last hurrah!?

[atomic sagebrush]

Emshe:

Lose the temping. I agree that temping can actually disrupt sleep because you're so worried about waking up and temping that it causes you to wake up MORE thinking "is it time to temp yet?" Plus it's not reliable on Clomid anyway.

Clomid is the best of the best sway tactic there is. i would hang on to Clomid and add an attempt. If you don't want to do OPK, just have an extra attempt whenever you see the most EWCM (this is a judgement call - it's ok if you end up having more EWCM the next day or whatever, just do your best)

I believe we see best chance of conception with Clomid on CD 3.

I am concerned that your diet seems very low in fat. ARe you doing full fat dairy?? I want you on 50-60 g of fat a day not counting fat in fruit and veg (other than avocado)

I am also concerned that the diet + met may be too much for you. I would drop down to 2 or even 1 Metformin this month. I feel like sometimes metformin can be too much of a good thing and while it's said to "help egg quality" keep in mind that many people who take it, have horribly carby diets and have poor egg quality due to that. For them, lowering blood sugar dramatically may help. But if you're already eating an LE type diet without the high intake of sugar/carbs, I wonder if it may be too much of a good thing. And you NEED some fat from somewhere!!

Re the legumes, some evidence indicates that legumes (particularly peas and lentils) may have a component in them that may lower fertility. It may behoove us to dial it back on the beans and peas in favor of more full fat dairy and meat and nuts as protein sources (I would say eggs but you aren't tolerating those well)

Are you doing anything else you can possibly think of that is lowering chances of conceiving?? Hubby wearing tighty whiteys? Shallow release??? Any lubricant?

[atomic sagebrush]

Mrs. E:

1)I have not found that monitoring CM to that level is very helpful. No matter what, the semen will act as a life raft till the sperm gets into the cervix and it's very likely you have more EWCM up inside where you can't see it. The sample of EWCM we see is really not always indicative of our ability to conceive; I got pregnant with no visible CM at all whatsoever and I didn't even know I was ovulating! People will send me messages all the time about their EWCM quality and it really does not seem to mean anything at all.

2)I never put any stock into one isolated temp esp. in the afternoon.

The reason why you can monitor for so long and still be confused is because cycles change all the time! Even experts can't get it right because it changes month by month and it's just impossible to tell because of the fluctuations. We can spot general trends but it's really, really tough to know if ovulation has occurred or not.

[emshe]

Emshe:

Lose the temping. I agree that temping can actually disrupt sleep because you're so worried about waking up and temping that it causes you to wake up MORE thinking "is it time to temp yet?" Plus it's not reliable on Clomid anyway.

Clomid is the best of the best sway tactic there is. i would hang on to Clomid and add an attempt. If you don't want to do OPK, just have an extra attempt whenever you see the most EWCM (this is a judgement call - it's ok if you end up having more EWCM the next day or whatever, just do your best)

I believe we see best chance of conception with Clomid on CD 3.

I am concerned that your diet seems very low in fat. ARe you doing full fat dairy?? I want you on 50-60 g of fat a day not counting fat in fruit and veg (other than avocado)

I am also concerned that the diet + met may be too much for you. I would drop down to 2 or even 1 Metformin this month. I feel like sometimes metformin can be too much of a good thing and while it's said to "help egg quality" keep in mind that many people who take it, have horribly carby diets and have poor egg quality due to that. For them, lowering blood sugar dramatically may help. But if you're already eating an LE type diet without the high intake of sugar/carbs, I wonder if it may be too much of a good thing. And you NEED some fat from somewhere!!

Re the legumes, some evidence indicates that legumes (particularly peas and lentils) may have a component in them that may lower fertility. It may behoove us to dial it back on the beans and peas in favor of more full fat dairy and meat and nuts as protein sources (I would say eggs but you aren't tolerating those well)

Are you doing anything else you can possibly think of that is lowering chances of conceiving?? Hubby wearing tighty whiteys? Shallow release??? Any lubricant?

Thank you so much Atomic!

I agree to stick with what I’ve been doing clomid wise. Or maybe I should ditch it!? Someone mentioned possible resistance in the tww thread, is that likely? I know the long Lucrin HT cycle was a bust because the strength of the lucrin fried my egg quality ( don’t know if that’s relevant?)

I wondered whether I should ditch the metformin? but if you think it better I will drop it to 1 at dinner
.

Have included today’s meals (not including my mountain of free veg) & just upped the quinoa to boost protein more. I am very particular about always meeting the fat limit. I’ll start to focus more on chicken again for protein. As well as the salmon. Should I drop coffee for all decaf, & drop alcohol?
Do you think the 3 weeks before I ovulate will be enough to kick in with the changes?
Gosh I hope so




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