How much does DH affect sway?!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Everyone always does!!! Just let me know how I can help.

FX FX FX and blue dust headed your way~

[4blue2pink]

While weightlifting sways blue when we ladies do it, there is no evidence it has the same effect for men and so it may not be a battle even worth fighting!

im so happy to see this i just assumed it would sway blue for men too and my dh wouldnt give up his weightlifting for anything, i always saw it as one of the things i just couldnt change, he is starting to do a little bit of running now and is looking at actively losing quite a bit of weight so im just taking all this as a bonus and hoping it helps!!

Fabby123 it sounds like there is lots that you can change i have everything crossed for blue for you!!

[aira22]

Hi, I was in the same situation as you are now. I did a one sided sway. DH also doesn't believe in swaying and so the only thing he did was not loosing weight but really it was an excuse for not thinking about calories and living out the couch potato. He gained more weight than I did LOL But no supplements, kept on with caffeine and occasionally smoking and drinking So I did the works alone as good as I could Luckily I got pregnant the first try. Now I am nervous for the "sway result" haha

[Throwaway_panther]

Just tagging in because I relate! We went through alot to figure out we can in fact make boys, but whether we can make healthy boys was the question -- specifically because of DH's sperm.

I managed to get him to do small changes over time -- supplements were generally easy, since he's got a history of bodybuilidng (non steroid use -- and see ladies, you can get a girl with a muscley hubby, haha). For him, he complained about me axing his occasional cigar smoking and DEFINITELY had issues with me watching his alcohol intake. We went steps further too once we learned my losses and our IVF failures were because of his sperm, but I managed to get him to ice (trust me -- this was accomplished by me always having to adjust the ice and do some fondling for him lol; this was our compromise) -- and I'm not saying whether icing sways boy or not, but there is definitely some firm research into its support and restoration of healthy sperm, which was our issue.

Since I am 19 weeks pregnant, DH has started biking again (after almost 3 years hiatus). This has been a bone of contention between us -- our compromise is "okay, you have to ice the night of your biking."

I am a bit more "hands on" with DH then others, and I know this is hard for many. In our case, I could only do so much one sided once it came into play that DH was likely CAUSING our losses! But I have certainly been doing my own sway stuff for the last 2.5 years so I can speak to that too :P

[Fabby123]

Haha I doubt my DH would be too happy about icing but it’s definitely something I could suggest nearer the time! I’m going to try and get him to cut back on sports around 3 months prior to the attempt and hope that he agrees and that it helps. He really wants us to go for another, it’s just difficult as he genuinely doesn’t care what gender it is and doesn’t believe in any of the research!! Fighting a losing battle wahhh 😭 but lots I will do myself so not all bad!

[atomic sagebrush]

im so happy to see this i just assumed it would sway blue for men too and my dh wouldnt give up his weightlifting for anything, i always saw it as one of the things i just couldnt change, he is starting to do a little bit of running now and is looking at actively losing quite a bit of weight so im just taking all this as a bonus and hoping it helps!!

Fabby123 it sounds like there is lots that you can change i have everything crossed for blue for you!!

Anecdotally we have seen tons of GIRLS conceived to weightlifters and it's even a thing on weightlifting websites as well - the guys who lift have lots of girls.

[atomic sagebrush]

Haha I doubt my DH would be too happy about icing but it’s definitely something I could suggest nearer the time! I’m going to try and get him to cut back on sports around 3 months prior to the attempt and hope that he agrees and that it helps. He really wants us to go for another, it’s just difficult as he genuinely doesn’t care what gender it is and doesn’t believe in any of the research!! Fighting a losing battle wahhh �� but lots I will do myself so not all bad!

DO NOT ICE BALLS. Just because heat damages them, does NOT mean that ice resurrects them from the dead. This is one of those things where you guys torture your husbands for no effect because unless he is doing it for many hours a day for months at a time (2-3 hours a day for 3-6 months prior to attempt) it is probably having no effect and icing for 10 minutes before sex does NOTHING AT ALL. I have a full explanation of that in this thread. https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum...blue-pink.html

[Throwaway_panther]

Just to clarify for myself: exactly what atomic said -- the benefits of icing isn't a "10 min before DTD on O day" but a longterm thing (the longer the better) because it can't immediately counteract the effects of heat and what not, but somehow seems to help the sperm down the line. And I didn't do it for gender (though obviously I hoped it would help that). Maybe you could argue that better quality sperm = better chances of boys based on a lot of theories, but if your partner has normal DNA, count and morphology, I think there's literally no point to it.

Since I've talked with a lot of people in loss groups about this, here's some evidence (in addition to a urologist saying it's a recommended thing for varicoceles) for anyone interested in reading more! I believe the makers of the "cool pac" undies for men are also conducting a continuing study but don't quote me on that -- I might be confusing sources there.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18076419
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12128094
Improvement of semen quality by nocturnal scrotal cooling and moderate behavioural change to reduce genital heat stress in men with oligoasthenoteratozoospermia
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3959246
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...517.x/abstract
http://www.goldjournal.net/article/S...84)80006-0/pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1157962
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama...bstract/338926
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404923/

Summary: Cooling, often specifically with ice, the testicles helps spermatogenesis and improves all factors of sperm (count, etc.) within weeks to months, with best improvements seen with 30 to 60 min for 3 to 6 months.

[atomic sagebrush]

yes exactly. I am talking about the kind of "icing" recommended on swaying sites where women are putting ice on their husbands for 10 minutes before an attempt. There is no point to that for anyone. ONLY a concerted effort of icing for a considerable period of time (whether that is 30 minutes or 3 hours, who knows, somewhere in there, different sources say different things) daily for 3-6 months or longer will help. If you can't do that, then please don't torture your husband over something that has never been proven to help anyway and that most husbands HATE. (really puts a damper on the 3-5 attempts in the fertile window too BTW)

Thanks for the links, Panther!

[Fabby123]

Anecdotally we have seen tons of GIRLS conceived to weightlifters and it's even a thing on weightlifting websites as well - the guys who lift have lots of girls.

So do you think that guys who spend a lot of time doing sports in general (cycling, etc as well as weight lifting) are more likely to produce girls?? This is why I’m planning to try and get DH to cut down as much as I can around 3 months before our attempt..hoping it’ll help!

And won’t bother trying to ice haha!