How do we know that frequent release and abstaining sway pink?

[mandicane]

This makes sense to me. My own personal theory is that people who have a lot of sex tend to have more girls. Out of the people I know who have girls, their sex life seems to be pretty active (according to them). And if frequent release = more girls than this could be a possibility.

[atomic sagebrush]

This makes sense to me. My own personal theory is that people who have a lot of sex tend to have more girls. Out of the people I know who have girls, their sex life seems to be pretty active (according to them). And if frequent release = more girls than this could be a possibility.

Yes, I have noticed this too. A lot of people when newly married seem to have girls and I have seen many families where the first child is a girl and then they go onto have just TONS of boys afterwards. Mel Gibson and Franklin Roosevelt are examples of this and I know several LDS families in our area that fit this profile (so the old idea that families with a boy and a girl just quit trying, is not true in these people's cases.) I don't know of a single fam. where the first child is a boy and then they have several girls, and I know prob. 2 dozen families with 6-10 children (this is ONLY observation and I have no hard data to back it up.)

On the other hand, babies conceived right after wars and when husbands are home on leave from the military are more likely to be boys and I know that some researchers think it's because the couples are DTD a lot. The thinking would be that frequent BD raises testosterone, but I'm not sure that there is enough time during a military leave for a guy's T levels to rise appreciably.

Anyway, it's not cut and dry in either direction unfortunately!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

My husband got prostitis back when ttc dc3, sperm count low and very watery we did finally conceive but it still ended in a boy lol so I think my thing is vaginal environment, but it does sound true those that have difficulties conceiving and did not use fertility drugs have more girls than boys(the people I know) but I would love to know why, I thought they proved x and y sperm were equal that x wasn't stronger then y?

Prostatitis causes pH to rise http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...00041-0063.pdf so even though his count may have been down, the high pH prob. helped more of his sperm to survive the harsh conditions of the vagina until it made it to the safety of your CM. So even though less may have been coming out of the gates, more swimmers were able to survive to race to the egg. We don't know WHY the numbers seem to matter, only that they do.

A different guy with low sperm count who does NOT have high pH, his sperm would be less likely to survive the harsh vaginal environment and make it to the safety of the cervical crypts. And some women also have less/drier CM to begin with and that makes it much harder for a sperm to make it to the "big time" and have a shot at an egg.

So people with fertility issues could have a DH with low sperm count and normal or low pH that doesn't help maximize sperm numbers, and also the DW could have issues with CM (Clomid actually CAUSES hostile CM), or both, and so overall, these couples are more likely to conceive girls.

I think you've already read this one, Melinda, but just to re-share for anyone who hasn't seen it, X and Y sperm are believed to be equally hardy and long lived. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...rm-and-Y-sperm

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm quoting an old post of Atomic's here - the same concept was also discussed in the past couple of days on the thread wondering how boy/girl twins are conceived:

'My own personal theory is, since X sperm are KNOWN to be slightly larger, they may be able to penetrate an egg singlehandedly or with very little help given enough time (it takes many many sperm to allow only one to fertilize the egg), while Y sperm, being smaller, may need or somehow be given a leg up by high numbers of sperm around the egg. Having less sperm around the egg may make it next to impossible for Y sperm to fertilize the egg and so the X wins by default, even if it takes several hours for it to burrow through the egg shell. No difference in the way they swim, their speed, their liking for pH, calcium, or anything...all those things do is just make it extra hard for ALL sperm to reach the egg, so less make it to the egg.'

Thank you, I knew I had written that out somewhere!

I don't know that my theory is true, of course, but it does seem to explain a lot without having to make up imaginary mechanisms (sperm "liking" different pH, swimming at different speeds, living different amounts of time, and/or being attracted to the egg by electrical charges) to do so. That is the one thing that scientific theories are supposed to do - explain without making stuff up...although obviously that isn't true across the boards or we would have no theory about gravity LOL. "Imagine some force that sucks stuff down to the Earth..."

[mandicane]

I don't know of a single fam. where the first child is a boy and then they have several girls, and I know prob. 2 dozen families with 6-10 children (this is ONLY observation and I have no hard data to back it up.)

So true! I can't think of a family I know either...strange.

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, the usual explanation is that a lot of people DO stop trying after they have a boy and a girl, so it ~may~ be that most people quit trying once they get the pigeon pair.

[purplepoet20]

My Mormon cousins with many kids...
Ty - has BGB but they were trying and Ty had a good job so they could afford whatever.
La - has BGGBBGG they never really cared about what they had but just got lucky.
Be - has GGGG (all red heads). She wanted a B but they are very happy with their girls.
Ti - has GGB but I neer asked her if she did anything to favor B or G, she would be the one to be fully honest.
Dn - Has GGG? they don't know what it is yet. But oddly they always eat a balanced diet of fruits, veg, protein, and grains daily... The mom skips breakfast and that is the only girl thing she does. Dn has promised his wife atleast 2 more kids after this one.
Gr - Has GGGB (Carson was born barely a wk ago) and Gr told me that they were actively trying as soon as the last baby was 1yo. The B was just a surprise because everyone got sick and they weren't in the mood for 5-6 days and decided to DTD because she knew she was Ov.



My bro... has GBG and he had fertility issues and had to use drugs for the G's. The B was a surprise BFP when the older G was 13mths. I know they were not trying and they were eating larger meals because my SIL was bfing still.

[sassy86]

Hi ya is there any updated info on this topic whether its better to do frequent release or abstain?

[atomic sagebrush]

Neither one is working, both are lower than the overall results of the site and I would a) not do either or b) do whichever one your husband is willing to go for.

The exception is men over 35 shoudl not do abstain and men over 40 may NOT be able to do FR so it boils down to practicality

[sassy86]

Ok thank you atomic, my husband isn't keen on abstaining as he is worried about the old sperm and he is 32 but I thought if the results were higher with abstaining then I would try and convince him. However he is happy to fr everyday but not dtd until I get a pos on opks and then have him release and disregard it and then dtd maybe an hour later after a hot shower, does this way also sway pink?
Thank you