4 weeks pregnant & worried about my numbers!!

[ABC.2606]

XX - here's my chart: https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6b9cac

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks, Atomic. While hard to hear, I appreciate your honesty about where I may at. I haven't had a miscarriage before and haven't had betas taken before so this is all new for me. I did feel like it was weird that even though I got a positive HPT at 10 dpo, the lines in the days following were still so light and taking awhile to appear. I did have a little spotting on 8 dpo and 11 dpo - that's why I actually called the doc yesterday to have them run the betas. No - pretty sure I ovulated on day 15... I had a solid smiley advanced OPK on day 13 and a strong temp rise on the morning of day 16... So at the latest, I believe it was day 15. I normally have a 24 day cycle too so that was a little bit late for me (it's usually day 13-14).

Ugh. Well, I get my next betas tomorrow and they said I could talk to them about the progesterone suppositories then so I guess I have until tomorrow afternoon to think about it. If it's not viable, I'd want things to just go ahead and proceed as they will... But yea, it's hard to know what's "right" to do in this situation.

If I do miscarry - do you think it's worth going ahead and seeing a RE to get evaluated, given the low prog. this time, the short LPs, low temps, etc? I really like my OBGYN for pregnancy but I don't think he's going to take a real proactive approach with the fertility stuff, especially not at this point, and would probably just continue to offer progesterone supplementation while I'm trying to get pregnant. Do you think with my situation (even though I've successfully conceived in the past and haven't been trying a long time this time around) a RE would be likely to give me Clomid right away to try to improve progesterone/ LP? I know you said Clomid is a great treatment for LP - does that mean it improves progesterone levels as well?

There's nothing they can do. That's the thing. The progesterone supplements are a pretend thing they do but if it's not working out, they can't go in and fix the DNA that isn't right (and again, I know this is not what any of us want to hear.)

The reason why Clomid works is that it likely makes a better egg to begin with. Better egg, better corpus luteum, higher progesterone. Adjusting the progesterone level can't go back in time and fix the egg, if that makes any sense. it's treating the symptoms but not the problem (and again, again, I know it's absolutely sucky that we have to ever deal with any of this, I'm so sorry)

Your chart looks to me like you ovulated on exactly the day you think and thus this low prog is not at all a good sign. I honestly do not know what I'd do, if I'd use the supps or not. I don't think they work, but I might do it anyway just to feel like I tried everything.

Clomid is the best of the best for swaying and for conceiving; if there is any way to get it, do.

[ABC.2606]

Thanks, Atomic... I guess there's not much I can do but wait. My doctor should call tomorrow with today's blood results... So I'll ask him very directly if he thinks the pregnancy is not viable. He seems like a pretty straight shooter (he's a newer doc but I've seen him a few times already and have discussed my whole medical history with him), so I think if I pushed he'd be honest about what he thinks is going on.

As far as my question about the RE/Clomid - I did mean that to say if this pregnancy does end in miscarriage, not to go back and correct this current pregnancy. If I do miscarry I will ask my doc directly for Clomid - given my long history of short LPs. I think he may resist it, but I would definitely try.

[Burakoam]

ABC my fingers are crossed for you..please update this thread when you know what your new betas are..my progesterone was 9 for my first beta with DD4...it is very nerve wrecking...by my next beta my numbers had more than doubled and progesterone was up just a little bit..i think docs were pleasantly surprised and so was atomic and pink because yes probably in a majority of cases those numbers arent ideal..but what i later found out was despite temping myself, charting and taking OPK's..my o date HAD to be wrong. 1, because the pregnancy was perfectly viable and 2 because her first ultrasound which is supposedly the most accurate for dating had me 2-3 days off from where i thought i should be, and that makes all the difference. So i thought i had a positive pregnancy test at 10 DPO and i really had it at 8 DPO..in your case that could also be why your lines started so light..you may have caught the pregnancy much earlier than you think!

and really if thats what you find out i dont know that it matters what your chart or opks or temp says..if your baby is healthy and happy who cares when you O'd to conceive her/him ...i dont know if we have enough data on it but im inclined to believe with my last two babies and how much i had going for me for blue (including the actual HE diet with DD4..) that delayed ovulation sways heavily pink. not that it always ends in pink, but i bet the stats for it are high.

[Houseofblue]

Just happened to see this and wanted to send hugs! I've had 4 miscarriages in the past (also have 4 boys). 2 of my losses had awesome betas and the embryos had heartbeats (one had a low hb that kept getting slower, the other had a great normal hb). My other 2 m/c's were earlier losses (around 5-6 weeks). One of those early losses had good betas but turned out to be a blighted ovum.
Otoh, like a pp said, "bad" numbers don't always spell doom...that's the thing about very early pg, it could literally go either way. With my DS2, around 6 weeks, I started gushing red blood and cramping, and I knew it was over. But, it wasn't. Never found out why that happened. I guess what I'm saying is everything can look great and turn out bad and everything can look bad and turn out great, you just never know and I just don't want u torturing yourself over every symptom or spotting incident etc.
It's awful waiting to find out, I know. (( FXed all will be well!!

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[ABC.2606]

Thanks Burakoam and Houseofblue for the encouragement.

Doctor called. Hcg went from 66 to 92 in 48 hours. 50% increase - I know that's not encouraging.

Atomic - should I officially start preparing for the worst?

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[MiaMelb]

Abc I'm very sorry to read you're going through this. The waiting and not knowing is so difficult. I've never had betas done so don't have any experience with what the numbers likely mean but I did have some bleeding at 5.5 weeks with my second pregnancy and decided to let whenever be be. Ended up having a scan at 7 weeks and found one healthy growing baby and one blighted ovum. That was the longest week and a half and I imagine similar to how you're feeling.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks, Atomic... I guess there's not much I can do but wait. My doctor should call tomorrow with today's blood results... So I'll ask him very directly if he thinks the pregnancy is not viable. He seems like a pretty straight shooter (he's a newer doc but I've seen him a few times already and have discussed my whole medical history with him), so I think if I pushed he'd be honest about what he thinks is going on.

As far as my question about the RE/Clomid - I did mean that to say if this pregnancy does end in miscarriage, not to go back and correct this current pregnancy. If I do miscarry I will ask my doc directly for Clomid - given my long history of short LPs. I think he may resist it, but I would definitely try.

I think it is medically warranted and they should give it to you.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks Burakoam and Houseofblue for the encouragement.

Doctor called. Hcg went from 66 to 92 in 48 hours. 50% increase - I know that's not encouraging.

Atomic - should I officially start preparing for the worst?

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Mentally, I would prepare, but physically, continue eating normally and taking prenatals, trying to get rest, etc. Numbers are not destiny and I know several people on this site and elsewhere, where things weren't looking great and then the pregnancy hung on. Thinking of you.

[ABC.2606]

I did get the progesterone capsules today. I guess I should just try them??

I'm starting to feel light cramping tonight. I'm really not optimistic at this point. But I will try to take care of myself.

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