Gotta ask: what's with the yogurt?

[JJ66]

I don't think dairy IS good for pink. That's what some people claim, but it's never been studied properly and most of the "evidence" that they use to support the claim is bogus upon closer inspection.

Keep doing what you're doing. The weight loss has not mattered much if at all so don't sweat that. Clomid is a great pink sway tactic.

So when you recommend, on the LE PCOS diet - one full fat serving of dairy per day (the Brown Cow brand of yogurt specifically) - what is the reasoning behind it? Moreover, would it be okay for me to leave dairy out, give or take cheese once in awhile?

[Ohdeer]

I just wanted to add in averaging at three full fat servings (think yoghurt, whole milk in coffee and cheese or butter). Am staying within limits though so hoping I haven’t got this wrong and should be restricting dairy more. Sometimes I have four servings

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok. I'm starting to find this thread rather frustrating and I will issue my standard warning of not getting too detail oriented while swaying because it isn't good for your sway. Not sure if you're trying to trip me up or catch me in some kind of discrepancy here but there is no discrepancy.

When I say "dairy isn't good for pink" that was in the context of your question "why do people say dairy is good for pink." I am trying to explain that I personally do not think dairy sways pink, meaning that I don't think people should eat tons and tons of it for pink sways. That DOES NOT then mean that this translates to "no one should ever eat dairy at all ever" or that a reasonable dairy intake within LE Diet limits, sways blue. It means that I am trying to explain to you why SOME people say to have as much dairy as you possibly can, but I do not say that. That was what your question was, was about that discrepancy, and I am not and NEVER have told anyone not to eat dairy while swaying. Never said that and in fact say the exact opposite since I want all PCOSers to have 1serv. full fat dairy a day.

I don't think it's necessary at all, and may make it harder for some people to get pregnant if they totally cut out dairy. The reason I have 1 serving of full fat dairy on the PCOS diet is, as already explained, because full fat dairy is really great for fertility (both for the people with low estrogen and also low progesterone) and many, many of the people who are on PCOS-type diet are on it because they are struggling with fertility. Additionally, full fat dairy has a fair amount of protein and fat in it, and I find that many on the alternate diet have a hard time (or even fail to understand) the idea that they MUST get 50-60 g protein and fat every day and so the full fat serving of dairy helps people to pad their pro/fat intake whilst doing something that will help them stay more fertile. PCOSers need to be super careful to stick in those ranges for fat and protein, because if they don't, they will be getting too many carbs overall. So while I suppose you can leave out dairy if you want to, it sure makes it a lot easier for you to keep it in there and you're not doing your fertility the good you'd do if you had eaten a serving of full fat dairy a day (either in terms of low hormone levels that PCOSers sometimes get OR in terms of too many carbs).

Again, it doesn't have to be yogurt. It is yogurt I use as an example in the premade sample diet because it's something most people like, everyone can eat (including lactose intolerant people)unlike milk, and it requires no thought or preparation, unlike cheese. It's premeasured and handy and it doesn't spoil. There are practical considerations to why I selected yogurt but you don't have to ONLY eat yogurt just like you don't have to ONLY eat any of those things in the premade sample diet. And why is it Brown Cow? it's because at the time I originally made the diet there were very few full fat yogurts on the market. The yogurt market has blossomed now with SOOOO many choices people get confused by it and we almost have the opposite problem (so many choices for full fat yogurt people sometimes will buy the wrong thing and end up with skim yogurt) so that's why I keep the recommendation as it is.

If you don't want to eat yogurt, don't eat yogurt. I still think it's best for everyone on the alt. diet to eat a serving of full fat dairy a day, yogurt is an easy and well tolerated way to do so, and I won't be badgered or bullied into changing my opinion on that. It's a combination of being better for PCOS, better for fertility overall, and practicality. Do whatever you would like, this thread has gotten very weird for me and I am really not sure how much better I can explain things here.

[atomic sagebrush]

I just wanted to add in averaging at three full fat servings (think yoghurt, whole milk in coffee and cheese or butter). Am staying within limits though so hoping I haven’t got this wrong and should be restricting dairy more. Sometimes I have four servings

If you are within the limits of the diet, you are doing it right.

Please don't let this thread mess with your head, if you're having dairy it is fine and in fact MANDATORY on the "Slow Burn" alternate LE Diet that's better for blood sugar and egg quality to have a minimum serving of full fat dairy every day. Want more, have more, within the limits of the day.

[atomic sagebrush]

I guess then my question is why is dairy beneficial for pink? I understand full fat vs skim (and skim=bad). But is there something about dairy in general that's good for swaying pink?

this was the question I was answering on the previous page. my "I don't think dairy is good for pink" is in direct response to this question about "why is dairy beneficial for swaying pink" which as most of us know is the claim made my lots of other sway sites.

YOU CAN HAVE DAIRY WITHIN LIMITS OF LE DIET

ANYONE ON ALTERNATE SLOW BURN PCOS DIET HAVE FULL FAT DAIRY ONLY

YOGURT CAN BE AN EASY WAY TO GET FULL FAT DAIRY BUT IS NOT MANDATORY