zanacal...question for you :)

[zanacal]

But when we're swaying we're usually doing things to counteract that - Rephresh, Antihistimines, Diet etc. - and others to alter hormones like Vitex and Saw Palmetto. I also think that charts don't disclose the full picture, they only show when people DTD (and not releases outside of DW) and they don't tell you anything else about the couple. It would only be valid to compare them if everything else about the couple was the same! I've seen plenty of girls conceived on O day (including my own!). I think in general that most ladies spend way too much time stressing over timing - I do understand the temptation to do that (and I probably did it in the first instance!) but I'm absolutely convinced that timing doesn't matter in the slightest and, if it does, that it's different for each couple. For example, I have very little CM on O day but a tonne of it 3 or 4 days beforehand. I wouldn't DTD with a cut-off of 3-4 days because the EWCM would increase my fertility and sway blue but I'm happy to DTD on O day for the opposite reason.

[ILindGurl]

That is a very valid point!!! Each couple is different. I also have tons of EWCM starting on day 6 or 7, and then ovulation day it's more of just water versus EWCM. But this month I'm not seeing a lot of EWCM, not sure if that is the Rephresh or something else. I'm going to stick to my original crazy plan of only DTD on days of girl moon...so should be 2 more attempts, day of O and O+1. Whatever happens, happens. I just can't make myself crazy anymore with all of this...and at 40, don't have time to spare. I know it's basically a 51/49 shot and with my DH high ph, probably more like a 70/30 shot for us...but hopefully, everything that influences my body and fertility will align and I'll have a baby girl...Happy Holidays and thanks again for listening and your wonderful advice!

[zanacal]

You have just as much chance as everybody else - and with your age (sorry!), lack of EWCM etc you stand a really good chance! The pH stuff isn't proven anyway so I'll have my FX for you. I felt there was absolutely no way we'd ever have a girl either

[atomic sagebrush]

1) I agree that many many girls are conceived on O Day and O-1. In fact, at least one study (which is a very well done one from a reliable source) show MORE girls conceived on those days (not that those days sway pink, just that they sure don't sway blue either!) I really do not think timing sways at all. It's been SO studied that if timing did sway, we would all know it by now because it would have been proven beyond shadow of a doubt. That all these studies have failed to find a consistent pattern, to me means that there is no pattern there to find.

2)re Minerva's Mommy and her timing study - ALWAYS keep in mind that there are reasons why people do things aside from swaying. Like a couple who is TTC might be trying actively to get pg and doing a lot of fertility-boosting things that sway blue IN ADDITION to doing frequent BD. Or another couple might BD frequently because both DH and DW are super high in T and have very high sex drives. No sway factor ever exists in a vaccuum. That study was in no way controlled for any variables, what MM did was go back and analyze FF charts looking for timing/BD patterns. WE have no way of knowing how accurate any of that data was or what other factors those couples were utilizing to TTC. Plus, just that those women were using FF is a tiny slice of people anyway who may be somewhat preselected to conceive a baby of a particular gender (either those with fertility challenges who would conceive more daughters, and those who are actively trying to TTC and like to be "in control" and may conceive more sons) and in no way indicative of the population at large.

[atomic sagebrush]

A woman on IG did extensive research studying over 200 charts on fertilityfriend.com and concluded only if you avoid O does it help to sway pink (her name is minervasmom, and I believe she did go on to have a successful girl sway after all of her research). What I also have read over and over on IG is that frequent BD does not sway pink bec of the constant introduction of semen (high ph) into our system which raises our ph levels to sway boy.

Well, know this about Minerva's Mom - they had other factors swaying strongly pink for them - already had a daughter and both she and DH had some issues that may have predisposed them to pink to begin with. I won't share them because they're personal for her and I would just rather not but anyone can read her posts publicly on IG and learn her story. I think the reason why she conceived her second daughter had NOTHING to do with timing in any way.

I LOVE her timing study and think it's very helpful and informative, but you can't hang your hat on that study because it's not scientific for all the reasons why I mentioned in my previous post.

Plus, she actually went onto analyze more charts after the first 200 and some of the trends she thought she saw with the first 200 ended up not to be true.

IG thinks that tiny amounts of things you put into your VJ can magically infiltrate your entire repro tract but that IS NOT true. Any more than if you gargle with baking soda and spit it out, that you can change the pH of your stomach acid. It's not how the reproductive tract is even designed...EWCM is flowing OUT and sperm have to have the ability to swim just to make it IN. Your body doesn't want to allow things to flow up inside your repro tract easily, esp. at O, because if microorganisms could get in there easily, the higher pH of EWCM at ovulation could allow them to overgrow and cause an infection. That's part of the purpose of EWCM, to keep harmful things out of your uterus and tubes even as it allows the sperm a nice medium to swim through. It is simply not possible for the pH of semen deposited in the vag to have any affect on the pH of your fallopian tubes.

And that is totally beside the point that we're already doing a ton of stuff to bring down our pH in the vagina anyway. If you use some RepHresh/Acijel/Sylk, that's going to lower pH anyway.

[ILindGurl]

Atomic! Thank you, thank you, thank you....for just being you.

[atomic sagebrush]

Aw, shucks!