I just want to cry!!!

[lovemy2blessings]

I think I may have O on cd22

[feetje]

I just want to say one thing very firmly to clarify - the vast majority of people whose ovulation got messed up on LE Diet were dieting much more strictly than I recommend (and in fact were not really even DOING LE Diet). So if one is doing LE Diet as it is written and not getting BFP, I do NOT want to see people blaming it on diet based on other people's experiences (who weren't even doing LE
Diet) and dropping or cutting back on a good LE Diet. Starvation is not LE Diet.

What used to happen back on IG all the time, was that people would do these really super duper strict sways with chemistry and timing, etc. and then decide that diet was somehow preventing pregnancy and drop diet FIRST before even adjusting to less strict with the other stuff. So they'd trade stuff that didn't even sway and/or really prevents conception, for the one thing that does sway.
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I don't want that to happen here, but I need you guys to meet me halfway, firstly by not starting off so strictly on diet - start off above where you think you need to be and then you can cut back later on, and secondly by letting go of the other stuff FIRST like the jellies and so on. The stats show clearly that those things are not that effective when compared to diet (when you're on it for long enough) exercise, and lifestyle and so they need to go before dropping or loosening up on diet.

Short version of all that - most of the people who had to loosen up on diet because it messed up their cycles were dieting way way too strictly to begin with, so start off less strict, you can always cut back.

I read this thread because I'm uncertain if my cycle is messed up. I started the LE diet at november 1st 2015 and added 1 hour a day running after two weeks. So I'm now for 8 weeks on the diet and I'm planning my first attempt at 11 januari (I'll be on LE for 10 weeks then). I already lost 12 lbs and I'm having bmi of 18 now. My Luteal phase has been shorter this month. I got my opk positive on 11 december and my menstruation already started on 21 december. Is this something to worry about? I'm also not sure if I ovulated, but I'm not that good with taking my temperature (I couldn't find a proper increase of temperature, only after 5 day post opk). I'm also really soon agitated. Do I now have too low progesteron? And does this sway blue? I'm always eating 1800 or 1850 cal a day and always having 43+ gr of proteine and 50-60 gr. fat a day. What do I need to do? Can I leave it like this and trying to conceive in two weeks? Or do I need something to get my progesteron right (but maybe it's fine like this and I'm seeing problems, where there aren't any?)? Makes me feel uncertain a bit... Thank you for your help!

[atomic sagebrush]

Once people hit BMI of 21, I want them to put the brakes on weight loss by increasing their cal intake. I don't ever want anyone to drop below BMI 18.5. Those are the LE Diet limits. So we're below the LE Diet limits here really. I want you to increase calorie intake right now to stop the weight loss. Don't regain weight, just don't lose any more.

I don't know how short your LP is but as long as it's 10 days it's ok. It is also possible that you had a short LP in one month but then it fixes itself in the next month. I want you to add in full fat dairy one serving a day, 4-6 eggs a week, and 1 serv. red meat or salmon every week.

Low progesterone DOES NOT sway blue. That idea had no real scientific data backing it up and in fact the more research we do, the whole notion is really just about impossible to be true.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh and please don't start skipping months, we need you to get pregnant fairly quickly here so your cycle doesn't get completely screwy.

[feetje]

Once people hit BMI of 21, I want them to put the brakes on weight loss by increasing their cal intake. I don't ever want anyone to drop below BMI 18.5. Those are the LE Diet limits. So we're below the LE Diet limits here really. I want you to increase calorie intake right now to stop the weight loss. Don't regain weight, just don't lose any more.

I don't know how short your LP is but as long as it's 10 days it's ok. It is also possible that you had a short LP in one month but then it fixes itself in the next month. I want you to add in full fat dairy one serving a day, 4-6 eggs a week, and 1 serv. red meat or salmon every week.

Low progesterone DOES NOT sway blue. That idea had no real scientific data backing it up and in fact the more research we do, the whole notion is really just about impossible to be true.

Thank you so so much Atomic for your advice!! And thank you for all the great and clear info on the site, it really helps a lot!

My Luteal phase maybe 10 days, if I had my ovulation on the same day as my positive opk, but I'm not sure. When my egg arrived later, then my LP is 9 days or even shorter. I did't manage to take my temperature right, so I'm not sure I have even ovulated...


How much do I have to up my cal intake? I'm afraid I will gain wait when I do too much and I will then sway blue. But I understand for me I need to eat more then 1800/1850 because my weight loss is too much en bmi is too low right now, in order to not screw up everything like you said... I already ate 80 gr. grilled Salmon every week, because I already noticed that I was losing weight so soon. I will add a egg and full fat dairy serving (how much?) a day. How much gr. proteins/fats in total a day, and how many cals in total a day do you think is the best?

So I will do my first attempt somewhere near 11 januari. I'm only on the diet for 10 weeks then, is this still a good sway (not yet on diet for 12 weeks)?
My HB don't wants to do FR (he don't want to do releases at all, only BD without a condom....). He is 37 years old. He is willing to abstain, but I read that maybe he is too old for this (he's in good condition though). What are the best options for us?

Thank you!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Things like salmon and eggs and dairy are not best for keeping weight on. YOu need carbs to keep weight on. The eggs, dairy, and salmon are NOT to stop the weight loss, they are to help lenghten your luteal phase. So we need to do two different things here - one is stop the weight loss by increasing calories until you stop losing weight (no set limit, just keep eating more till the weight loss stops), and the other is to eat the dairy, egg, salmon combination to help with LP. I think that 50-60 g protein and 50-60 g fat will be good for you.

Yes 10 weeks is going to have to be long enough because in another month you may stop ovulating totally!!!

Just have him BD with you, with a condom, every 2-4 days and then do the one attempt. He can't abstain at 37, it has nothing to do with his condition, it's age, pure and simple.

[feetje]

Things like salmon and eggs and dairy are not best for keeping weight on. YOu need carbs to keep weight on. The eggs, dairy, and salmon are NOT to stop the weight loss, they are to help lenghten your luteal phase. So we need to do two different things here - one is stop the weight loss by increasing calories until you stop losing weight (no set limit, just keep eating more till the weight loss stops), and the other is to eat the dairy, egg, salmon combination to help with LP. I think that 50-60 g protein and 50-60 g fat will be good for you.

Yes 10 weeks is going to have to be long enough because in another month you may stop ovulating totally!!!

Just have him BD with you, with a condom, every 2-4 days and then do the one attempt. He can't abstain at 37, it has nothing to do with his condition, it's age, pure and simple.

Thank you Atomic so so much for your help!!! Will keep you updated when I get pregnant! :-)

[feetje]

Things like salmon and eggs and dairy are not best for keeping weight on. YOu need carbs to keep weight on. The eggs, dairy, and salmon are NOT to stop the weight loss, they are to help lenghten your luteal phase. So we need to do two different things here - one is stop the weight loss by increasing calories until you stop losing weight (no set limit, just keep eating more till the weight loss stops), and the other is to eat the dairy, egg, salmon combination to help with LP. I think that 50-60 g protein and 50-60 g fat will be good for you.

Yes 10 weeks is going to have to be long enough because in another month you may stop ovulating totally!!!

Just have him BD with you, with a condom, every 2-4 days and then do the one attempt. He can't abstain at 37, it has nothing to do with his condition, it's age, pure and simple.

Hi Atomic,

Just a update. I feel like panicking right now... I got a positive OPK really late at CD 24 last Wednesday. I was not sure if I really would get a egg because I did not have other fertility signs and also the test was really slowly colouring and the testline was not darker then the other line. But when I saw the tests the day after (that were lighter again), I realized I was testing positive on Wednesday. So we did a attempt on Thursday night. I noticed on Friday morning (yesterday) that my cervix was opened. I really think I have ovulated yesterday.

And there starts my worrying: The circumstances of my sway where really bad the last days, I now think looking back! I did a proper sway for 9 weeks, with really serious LE diet (1800/1850 calls, 60 fat, 43 proteines a day), limiting salt and exercise by running 1 hour a day 6 times a week. But last month my LF was really short and my BMI became too low.


So I upped my calls from the beginning of January by getting more carbs. I upped it till 2200 calls, because I was doing every day 1hour running and was not sure how many calls I should take to stop the weight loss. I ate 60 gr fat and proteines (including eggs and full fat dairy) a day to lenghten my LF also from the beginning of January (before was 43 gr. proteines, 50-60 gr fat). Now I didn't expect to ovulate at al anymore this cycle because it was so late in my cycle. In this phase I let go too much of the diet, due to a course I had to take for work (and also because of frustration not getting a egg...) the days prior to O and the attempt.

Also in the other weeks I was doing 7 days a week running 60-70 min running. But this last week I skipped Monday and Thursday totally from exercise and Tuesday and Wednesday I only did 1 hour bicycling, because I had to take a course for work. At this course I ate too much salt, proteines and fats. We did a attempt on Thursday and the next day I found out my cervix had opened. I really think I ovulated at this moment. I then checked my weight and found out I had gained 1,2 lbs!!!!

OMG!!!! So, after such hard weeks where I restricted myself for a higher purpose and pushing myself for running 6-7 times a week, at the most crucial moment I managed to ruin everything. I'm sooooo afraid I'm now swaying boy........ (because of me taking to much of proteines, fats, didn't do the everyday exercise as I did the weeks before and also before already for two weeks was back eating eggs, greek yogurt and stuff).
Also on Monday evening we had unprotected sex, so it is two times in the fertile window.... I hope most of the sperm from the Monday attempt was already dead Friday.... (?)

I'm crying a lot today, I think I screwed up and am now swaying blue!! I think I will have regrets the rest of my life if I will get pregnant with a boy now. I think when I did a good sway and then it turned out to be a boy, I would have more peace of mind, knowing that I did everything I could and now that isn't the case, because of this bad timing of eating the wrong things and skipping exercise and the unplanned gaining of weight.....


Only thing went well is skipping the breakfast and having 2 meals...

So Atomic, how bad is it... (be honest please... )?

(note on the day of our attempt -Thursday- I ate 73 (!) gr. proteines and did not exercise.., the next day had my ovulation, how does this work on the egg and the potential fertilization?

[maidentomother]

You didn't damage your sway IMO. Those are small things in light of the bigger picture.

Could you post all your charts? I'd like to see when you are actually Oing.

[feetje]

Thank you Maidenmother for sharing thoughts with me on this!! I am taking my temp, but don't keep a ovulation chart. My two little boys wake up a lot in the early morning and go to sleep afterwards, but I get up a lot, therefore my temping is not accurate..