Need clarification - Gender swaying - Time of intercourse

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome to the site. Sorry only just now seeing this.

We are having better results doing 3-5 attempts in the fertile window so I would have you guys DTD that night of trigger, the next morning, again the next night. Don't worry about the attempt from 2 days ago, we have found timing doesn't sway and modern technology has completely debunked it.

While neither female orgasm or doggy style is dealbreakers, they may help a little bit so what I"d advise is letting her do what she needs to do and then you finishing from behind. There is no benefit to "simultaneous release" and while on paper, the woman orgasming after the man is supposed to be better, no real research shows this to be true and I think it's best to just go for the practical and not the theoretical.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey, thanks for the answers.



From what I read, timing is the main factor in swaying. The closer to ovulation more Ys will survive and sways boys.

I am afraid if we do it tonight, by the time she ovulates it would be 36 hours after intercourse. I believe the Shettles' guideline is to not do it before 24h to ovulation.



Although this can be fun, many intercourses doesn't increase chances of conception. Our doctor actually told us that for conception we should do it tonight and tomorrow night. But this is unrelated to gender swaying, the doctor won't give any advice on this. Today and tomorrow is for trying to conceive.

Timing doesn't work, it's an old outdated theory based on one man's mistake, has been fully debunked using modern technology and pretty much everyone on this site got 1-2-3 or more opposites using timing (both pink swayers and blue). Full explanation here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...le-timing.html

We are getting 80% success for blue with 3-5 attempts in the fertile window.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey TrueBlue, thanks. Do you have a lot of experience with this?

In regards to the above statement, doesn't it really depend on the ovulation cycle? Every 2 days might might be a good guideline if one doesn't know actual ovulation timing. In our case, trigger is tonight, very likely ovulation is in 36 hours, possibly in 24 hours. The window is actually very small to conceive to do it 3 times. Shettles method says to not try more than 12 hours after ovulation. I believe it's all related to the internal environment as far as making it easier (more likely) for Ys to conceive.

Main decision today is if we do it tonight (possibly 36 hours before ovulation), tomorrow morning (possibly 24h before) or tomorrow night. And/Or as well. I guess we could do it tomorrow morning and evening.

Thanks

True is just saying, don't sweat that attempt 2 days ago, because timing doesn't sway and it means you are going to have a nice amount of sperm on hand to fertilize the egg (because your sperm recovers very nicely in that amount of time). For reasons we are not totally clear on, more and healthier sperm seems to = more boys conceived.

Shettles was WRONG about X and Y sperm, totally debunked and no modern researcher believes in it. I'll post a link specifically on the differences between X and Y sperm here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/sway...m-y-sperm.html

[atomic sagebrush]

So what method are most of you guys into?



Ha, yes I am usually the researcher! In this case, I guess I care more about having a boy than she does.

I am glad I can come here and talk about gender swaying, as compared to the "warm" reception I received at thebump.

That's not unusual and just wanted to reiterate that men are just as welcome on this site as ladies are. Not only for swaying but we also understand that desire to have a child of a particular gender even tho it's not considered "politically correct" to talk about. Not because we don't love our kiddos regardless of gender but just because there is that little voice inside of us that wants what it wants. I think men have it so much worse than we ladies do on that. :/

[atomic sagebrush]

Very interesting. Thanks for this. I posted my question here as it was the only gender swaying forum I found. But it's an interesting method. Seems like it's mostly around increasing fertility to sway blue. I wonder how this would work for some with natural fertility problems and that can only get fertile with treatment. I would assume my wife is very fertile right now with all the meds. She does have a folicle verified by ultrasound that is within size range to grow and release after the trigger shot tonight. Last time around she was eating actually a lot of these foods, and she doesn't drink much alcohol or caffeine, or sweeteners but we got a girl.

I guess I will try to have sex tomorrow morning, as well as tomorrow night and thursday night?

with the timing of your attempts and sending you a ton of blue dust.

You absolutely CAN get a boy or a girl even with fertility challenges, but doing what you can do to up your own fertility as well will only help (hence the "releasing every 2-4 days" which will help you produce max. numbers of healthy sperm. I'd advise you to avoid anything that may be harmful to sperm (and not sure if your user name means anythign but SCUBA has been shown in studies to sway pink when done by DH) Smoking, excess alcohol and caffeine, getting your testicles too hot, jogging and biking, wearing tight underwear all may lower your sperm health and could inadvertently lower odds of pink.

Anything she can do in terms of eating right, getting sleep, prenatals, etc will only help. NO need to do anything too cray-cray - normal amounts of standard nutrients are best, no need for strange herbs or anything like that.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi All, some very interesting information here. We ended up TTC last night after she took the trigger shot. And will do again tonight and tomorrow night.

Our fertility doctor recommends Canola Oil is lube (for conceiving purposes, not swaying) and is what we used last time when we had our daughter. My wife doesn't have much cervical mucous and doctor told us to not use saliva as it can kill sperm so we need a lube. Should we keep using canola oil? Althoug I read about preseed swaying blue, there are so many posts in different forums about people conceiving pink with preseed.

Here is what I don't get about the Shettle's criticism. The main criticism is that he was wrong about Y being light and faster and shotlived and X being slower and longer lived. If that's not correct, why would pH, positions, etc...has any impact on gender?

Thanks

AGH OMG these are the things that make me break out in a cold sweat.

NO CANOLA OIL. Sperm is not designed to swim through oil and I would strongly, albeit humbly suggest looking into a different doctor if s/he is recommending canola oil for infertility patients. Do agree about not using saliva.

Preseed is the best lube for both infertile couples and anyone swaying blue. Nothing in swaying is a guarantee and keep in mind that if a)lower fertility overall sways pink and b) many infertility patients use Preseed, then it becomes easy to see that a couple with reduced fertility could use Preseed and yet still come out of it conceiving a girl, if that makes any sense. If something sways by 10%, but you come into TTC possibly as much as 70% likely to conceive a girl, you could sway blue by 10% with Preseed and still come out 60% likely to conceive a girl. Still a great sway tactic that will up your odds of blue considerably, just not a magic blue bullet. BTW the doctor who invented Preseed has 5 sons!!

RE Shettles, there is quite a thorough explanation in the "Trouble with Timing" essay I posted but briefly - Shettles just luckily happened to hit upon a few things that really did sway - regular release for blue, abstain and one attempt for pink, and so it can make it LOOK like it's working for people when really it is coincidence. And people are so certain of Shettles that they often misremember when they really ovulated (if they ever actually knew to begin with) so there are tons of people walking around out there convinced that they got a boy or a girl thanks to SHettles when factually they don't even have a clue when they ovulated in relation to BD. It gets reported as fact because people think it works and so they think it must be true.

Re what actually sways - The unfortunate truth about swaying is we have next to no info to go on. People don't study it because it's not politically correct, so honestly I can't totally say what really sways with any level of confidence. We believe based on the research and information we do have, that it's a combination of male/female fertility (including and perhaps most importantly male sperm health/count and female EWCM), female condition and nutrient intake, female blood sugar levels both before and for a brief time after conception (normal, steady blood sugar may help XY fertilized eggs survive and implant successfully), and the sheer number of sperm lying in wait in the repro tract when ovulation occurs.

pH is not really seeming to pan out as a sway tactic. It may help a tiny bit but certainly not the end all, be all. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...ph-pickle.html

[atomic sagebrush]

We kinda need a lube as doctor said to not use saliva, and my wife is currently very dry, maybe related to treatment.




This is more related to keeping embryo alive, right? Or, the theory here believes that the potential of keeping XY embryo alive will sway the actual conception?


Thanks

I do not believe the body conceives babies only to deliberately miscarry them. Eggs are too precious, scarce and "biologically expensive" and miscarriages are too dangerous for post-conception, preferential losses to be a biologically viable method of gender swaying. I believe that some mechanism MUST come into play prior to conception, whereby a woman who doesn't have the nutrients coming in (because baby boys need more nutrition coming in from the moment of conception onward throughout life) would be more likely to conceive a girl from the get-go because a girl would have more chance of survival. So I believe this is something that occurs primarily PRE-conception, and only to some very much lesser extent post-conception.

[atomic sagebrush]

Your wife could try taking fish oil or robitussin to get more CM even try watching an adult movie before your attempt if you think she would consider it? And lots of forplay. it really does help but if the treatment is affecting her so much then go with preseed it is the correct ph. I read that at the time of conception boy sperm can be repelled by the egg if the conditions are not optimal for the survival of of boy. The HE diet should be continued after conception to ensue survival.

Yes forgot to mention Robi/Muci. any "decongestant" medication that ONLY contains guanefesin, no other ingredients, can really help with the dryness.

[atomic sagebrush]

Sending you a ton of superspecialawesome atomic blue dust, BTW. Best of luck to you!

[skuba]

Just to add, there is no way canola oil harms sperms. That's what was recommend by our doctor, prominent fertility doctor from UCSF.

With that said, yesterday we used pressed cause it sways blue. We used the applicator inside.

It's very possible that because she is in treatment, none of the diets would work. She is already taking all kinds of medications that will set her body to be in the best shape to conceive and keep the embryo. For example, she starts progesterone in a few days to help keep a possible embryo alive and developing.

Let's see what happens.