Atomic please help with 2 loss

[Georgia_Peach]

I think that's what most do now. That's what we did but they tell you it doesn't favour more girls. It's all a gamble.

Thank you. I read about something called ICSI (where Sperm is chosen and Injected into egg) and it favors more girls vs normal ivf favors more boys conceived.
Do you know which one y’all did?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much, this is great info. So do you think my odds are better if a healthy girl swaying or doing the ivf? Or I’m sure you’ll say that you just can’t predict that outcome. Just wondering if you’ve Had a feeling one way or the other. I think we are both pretty fertile and Just had crappy luck. I’m just terrified of having another chromosomal issue or something wrong with another baby that will affect my family forever.

Yeah I just can't know that. I wish I could but the pretesting will be very helpful in letting us know what kind of outcome you can expect.

I do want to point out (sorry I feel like I'm doing a lot of pointing out here!) that things can still go wrong even with IVF. There are things they can't test for and don't know and just in the interest of going in with your eyes open, do be aware of that. Things like autism they don't know what even causes them and they can't test for them. Some people think that for IVF to succeed all they need is the PGD testing but that just isn't the case; things can go wrong with the pregnancy (like SCH, water breaking early, preemie, etc) or the baby can have issues that are not testable-for.

What the IVF gets you is a guarantee of gender. That's the best way to think of it. A guarantee of gender and a reduced chance of some genetic disorders. But it's not a guarantee of conception or a perfectly healthy baby.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think that's what most do now. That's what we did but they tell you it doesn't favour more girls. It's all a gamble.


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ICSI is used for all PGD conceptions because otherwise the DNA of the sperm can confuse the results of the PGD test. It is not at all reliable for choosing gender as the difference was very minor (like 1% different than natural conception)

[atomic sagebrush]

Also, there are a couple things in the "it starts with an egg" book that I'm not crazy about so Jenn please feel free to run anything u plan to take by me and I'll explain why/why not I"m in favor of them.

[jenn1112]

Yeah I just can't know that. I wish I could but the pretesting will be very helpful in letting us know what kind of outcome you can expect.

I do want to point out (sorry I feel like I'm doing a lot of pointing out here!) that things can still go wrong even with IVF. There are things they can't test for and don't know and just in the interest of going in with your eyes open, do be aware of that. Things like autism they don't know what even causes them and they can't test for them. Some people think that for IVF to succeed all they need is the PGD testing but that just isn't the case; things can go wrong with the pregnancy (like SCH, water breaking early, preemie, etc) or the baby can have issues that are not testable-for.

What the IVF gets you is a guarantee of gender. That's the best way to think of it. A guarantee of gender and a reduced chance of some genetic disorders. But it's not a guarantee of conception or a perfectly healthy baby.

Thank you so much. Yes, I understand this now, at first I think I just thought it would be a perfectly healthy baby after the testing and now I’m seeing nothing is ever guaranteed. So just another thing to stress about [emoji854]


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[jenn1112]

Also, there are a couple things in the "it starts with an egg" book that I'm not crazy about so Jenn please feel free to run anything u plan to take by me and I'll explain why/why not I"m in favor of them.

Oh bummer, I just ordered it the other day but it’s not here yet. I’ll read through it and ask you about anything I plan on doing to see if you agree. Thank you so much!


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[atomic sagebrush]

It's a good book, just that there are some supplements that have risks and side effects that are overlooked by the author. Just run em by me, that's whta I'm here for.

[jenn1112]

It's a good book, just that there are some supplements that have risks and side effects that are overlooked by the author. [emoji4] Just run em by me, that's whta I'm here for.

Thank you. I’m just taking prenatals, folate, vitamin D and probiotics and stool softeners when needed and cut back to 1 cup of coffee. My husband is taking a multi vitamin and coQ10 which was recommended in the book. Does that sound fine? Should I be taking coQ10 too? I also read in the book that melatonin helps egg quality when going through ivf, should I take that? I thought about having DH add in the OLE after I start the ivf cycle but I know you’ve said you don’t really believe that helps.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yep that's one of the ones that I DO NOT LIKE AT ALL - Melatonin. Stay away from melatonin unless you are doing IVF and are going to have a frozen transfer only, and will NOT be pregnant in the month of egg retrieval.

Melatonin has been shown to cause/contribute to developmental delays when taken during pregnancy. We do not know how long the effects last, so you can't just take it up till O or BFP because not only may it stay in your system longer than that, but additionaly you HAVE to wean off it because your body uses it during early pregnancy. So there is really no way to both be absolutely off of melatonin when you're pregnant but still have given yourself adequate time to wean off and have it leave your body before you're pregnant. So while it can potentially help with egg quality, I don't find it acceptibly safe for anyone other than those doing egg retrieval, then freezing for later cycles. Anyone who will be preggo in the same month they take the melatonin, should NOT take melatonin.

I don't really think the OLE works but it doesn't seem to hurt anything so I think it's fine if you want to give your husband that.

Yes do take coq10 200-400 mg and they may hve you increase this. Take till BFP and then gradually wean off.

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[jenn1112]

Yep that's one of the ones that I DO NOT LIKE AT ALL - Melatonin. Stay away from melatonin unless you are doing IVF and are going to have a frozen transfer only, and will NOT be pregnant in the month of egg retrieval.

Melatonin has been shown to cause/contribute to developmental delays when taken during pregnancy. We do not know how long the effects last, so you can't just take it up till O or BFP because not only may it stay in your system longer than that, but additionaly you HAVE to wean off it because your body uses it during early pregnancy. So there is really no way to both be absolutely off of melatonin when you're pregnant but still have given yourself adequate time to wean off and have it leave your body before you're pregnant. So while it can potentially help with egg quality, I don't find it acceptibly safe for anyone other than those doing egg retrieval, then freezing for later cycles. Anyone who will be preggo in the same month they take the melatonin, should NOT take melatonin.

I don't really think the OLE works but it doesn't seem to hurt anything so I think it's fine if you want to give your husband that.

Yes do take coq10 200-400 mg and they may hve you increase this. Take till BFP and then gradually wean off.

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Thank you! So I take the coq10 too? My husband is the only one taking now.
I just won’t take the melatonin...I am doing FET though since we are doing Pgs testing.

Also, my doctors office called and said my thyroid levels are high (4.26) and they are putting me on a low dose thyroid medication. Do you have any info on this, they didn’t tell me anything. I have been very very tired and no energy and felt like I gained weight very fast when I got pregnant...could it be from hypothyroidism?




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