HI Ladies, please help, Ph levels, lime, Rephresh, Aci

[atomic sagebrush]

Have you seen the anti-timing essay?? http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...le-timing.html Might help put your mind at ease.

The only reason why there are timing success stories is because people think it's supposed to work, then when they conceive a boy or girl, they're convinced they Oed on a certain day. But as you yourself found out this month, it's really HARD to know when exactly you Oed! People don't necessarily O when they think they did, and even using temping, OPK, and having lots of practice, it can still be tough to know. So a lot of people swear that timing worked for them but without having had an ultrasound to pinpoint ovulation, there is no reliable way to know when you ovulated.

[Babystars]

Thanks Atomic what a fantastic essay. I totally agree with so much of what you say. Ive read stories where people really seem to believe they conceived 20 odd hours after Ovulation while some have convinced themselves they dtd as much as up to 10 days prior. I'll let you know what happens here in a couple of weeks. My ph is back down around 4.55-4.75, strangely my temps are also low for the past 2 days, as low as pre o temps, this whole cycle is so messed up compared to the past few Ive charted. maybe its due to this darn bug weve had, of all the months we try this happens

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, I just read a post from a woman who was telling everyone on IG that she "knows" she got pg 48 hours after ovulation because she had some pain then, and there were so many people who bought right into it and were seriously going to start TTC 48 hours after ovulation. Same with the people who think they got pg from long cutoffs. If they didn't have an ultrasound, that info is not verified and not helpful.

I do totally understand that it's not that easy to give up on timing tho.

Oh, sickness can def. wreak havoc with your temps and make them colder or warmer than normal. I hope you guys are on the mend now!

Keep us posted on how you do! Good Luck!

[Babystars]

Thanks Atomic, its amazing how a person can believe in something so much after they read a few similar stories of others (that haven't got it right even though logic tells us otherwise) sadly leading to people trying it & they'll be questioning why they haven't fallen pregnant months down the track & if they're older they could even ruin their chance of ever having a baby.
As you say its so hard to know without an ultrasound verifying exactly when. I'm sure proof of that The last 3 days I've had another temp dip & 2 rises (this time my temps are above pre o ones)with o pains again but dtd with protection so I've either O'd days back (early than normal) & had a 1 day cut off or o'd a couple of days ago (later than normal) & wasted this chance Its so hard to know for sure I have this problem every month with 2 dips & O pains. Darn I should of just kept using the OPK's instead of stopping them when I got the 1st lot of O pains do you know how long it roughly takes for the egg to reach the tube after it expels from the ovary, I guess it wouldn't take 1-2 days, I'm trying to work out why I have 2 lots of O pains & 2 temp dips every month that are only days apart. Yes its certainly hard to let go of that timing thing with everything I've read, even though we dtd every day right through with 1 dd. Do you think dtd every day or abstaining has a higher success rate for girls. Thanks so much

[atomic sagebrush]

I totally agree and when I was back on IG I saw so many people give up diet and cling to the things that didn't sway and were actually preventing pg.

It's usually a good idea to keep doing OPK until you're 110% sure you Oed. But that having been said, it is not totally uncommon to have what feels like O pains after O (it's actually the Fallopian tubes cramping to move the egg down the tube and also the reaction of your internal organs to the follicular fluid, which can be painful) and it may very well be that you Oed right when you are hoping you did and had a great attempt.

The egg makes it to the tube quite quickly and then takes some time to make it down the tube. Sometime between 12-24 hours after ovulation, unless fertilized, the egg dies. My thinking with your temp dip pattern is you may have a fake O surge and then the real deal a couple days later. It happens sometimes and it may just be that's your body's way of ovulating.

I think in an ideal situation where 1000 cloned couples were doing everything exactly the same only half were doing FR and half were abstaining, abstaining + 1 attempt ~might~ be slightly more effective. But in real world couples doing tons of things to sway, I think there is NO difference because any advantage that abstain + 1 attempt has, is erased by all the other things people do to sway.

[Babystars]

That makes so much sense about the fake O surge then O taking place a couple of days later. This must be why I get a faint opk around the 1st temp dip & O pains as there would be low levels of LH. I have wondered for a while why this was occurring,Thanks Atomic you solved my mystery & if i don't get a BFP this month which were doubting due to messing up the timing I certainly will be OPK'ing longer next month. Again this is just a fine example of how easy it is to get the timing wrong & really believe you O'd earlier than you actually did. I think about many of the sways I've read & wonder just how many really knew when they O'd. That's great to hear dtding every day or Abstaining is much of a muchness Thanks again Atomic will let you know how things go, hope you are keeping well

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks! Good luck to you and thanks also for a great thread!!!

[Babystars]

Hey Atomic, hope you and baby are doing great
Just thought Id let you know I got a BFN. Turns out you were right on the mark about a fake O surge, (as I previously mentioned about getting 2 lots of O pains etc over a few days) Our 1st month's attempt we stopped TTCing around O pains & a faint OPK only to have them days later with another temp dip. With stopping when we did we missed the boat as we must of been out by nearly a week from O lol. Back to squeezing limes over the next few days lol. I had spikes using Aci Gel but wondering if you could tell me if there has been many failed sways using it, just out of interest. Thanks Atomic

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh boo, I'm sorry to hear that.

There have been both successes and failures using Acijel. I am not sure how many exactly, since I tell people to use Rephresh instead, most people have used that. I'm not opposed to Acijel, it's just expensive and doesn't keep working the way the RepHresh does. A lot more people on IG used Acijel and they might have more info. i'll start a thread here and ask for you and we'll get at least some idea.

[Babystars]

Hey Atomic, thanks that would be awesome if you could start a thread on Acijel. I think I'm going to have give up the lime Last month it stung the heck out of me Then the last couple of days Ive used lime well diluted compared to last month's attempts but I've now got thrush & my ph was near 6 earlier today which is high for me. Now with thrush weve stopped dtding ( so there goes another month failing to sway) I've used rephresh a few hours ago to get some relief & within 10 minutes it was working That stuff is amazing & my ph has been sitting around 4.85-5 since. I'm thinking I'll use rephresh & Aci gel mixed together next month as Aci has the acid in it and rephresh keeps ph down.