multiple positive OPKs - TMI warning!

[fresas]

More diet thoughts!

If the more boy friendly PCOS diet actually seems to help keep my testosterone in better check than the LE diet, I wonder if it would be better to stay on the PCOS diet because it helps keep testosterone levels lower. It may not be like this for the woman without PCOS, though.

PCOS diet does result in a higher natural pH, though. That's why I was wondering if downing the artificial sugars and making repHresh my BFF would work well? Maybe not?

Ideas?

[fresas]

Your diet looks very healthy and very PCOS friendly, but with the aspartame, keeping calories low, etc, probably good for girl swaying.

PCOS diet is very boy friendly, but is also much more low carb than boy diets. Any carbs you do eat should be whole wheat. Eating frequently is a good idea with PCOS. Basically, because of the risk of insulin resistance, we have to eat like diabetics in order to keep the insulin resistance away and keep the testosterone levels lower.

The PCOS diet is not the most girl-friendly at first glance. That's why I'm having these questions because on this board, diet seems to be a major factor for swaying, but for girls swaying who have PCOS, we can't necessarily do the LE diet because it can have the opposite affect as a woman without PCOS. But, I wonder if staying on a more boy-friendly diet is what PCOS girls need to do because it helps keep blood sugar levels more stable (no spikes) and helps keep testosterone lower?

I think a PCOS diet can raise pH, but it doesn't for me, at least not vaginally. One of my main struggles with girl swaying is that I know if I do a LE diet, I think it actually elevates my testosterone and doesn't do much for the pH since my pH is naturally at 4.5 most of the time.

I don't think the LE diet elevates testosterone with ladies who do not have PCOS.

However, in girls with PCOS, because of the way our bodies tend to go towards insulin resistance or are insulin resistant, eating simple carbohydrates and avoiding overall general healthy eating probably tends to cause more insulin resistance, which in turn elevates testosterone because the insulin binds to the wrong type of testosterone which allows unhealthy testosterone to dominate. This is already a major problem for PCOS girls.

I don't know for sure, though. I am not a doctor. I'm just hypothesizing based on my own experience when I deviate from PCOS diet friendly stuff. I'm also hypothesizing based on how insulin resistance or early insulin resistance is a sign of high levels of bad testosterone. That's why a lot of girls (including myself) are on metformin. It helps keep the weight gain down, helps with regular periods, acne, cyst bursts, etc.

I don't know if there are many girls on the board who have swayed girl with PCOS. I would love to hear about it.

+ OPKs: I ordered more OPK strips so hopefully they will be here by next week.

[fresas]

I was diagnosed based on symptoms and a blood test. I have (usually) regular periods now, but am still hirsute, cannot lose weight no matter what, prone to fast weight gain, acne, and have hair loss. I'm taking:

metformin 1000mg
SP 320mg
Vitex 200mg (?)
DIM whatever the maximum per day dose is
MVI

and stopped taking calcium a while ago. These past two weeks my diet has been garbage (too many refined carbs, not enough vegetables) and I am paying for it now. Oops!

[fresas]

My FF chart has me ovulation 3 days ago, but my CP and CM did not seem fertile at all. It seemed fertile CD 11-ish. I'm so confused!

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3b1972

[Butterfly Spirit]

I have a lot of fertile signs today although the cervix isn't super soft, it is low and open with watery and EWCM.

TMI and just FYI:

We DTD last night and this morning. Female orgasm and J & D. I used a repHresh last night right away. My pH seemed to stay around 5.5.

This morning, we DTD again, no female orgasm, and J & D. We used Sylk this time. My pH immediately following everything was about 5.0. An hour later it was close to 7. I used another full applicator of repHresh right away and will retest my pH soon.

I know I keep saying we're TTA, but this month, we haven't exactly been TTA this cycle, but not intentionally.

My husband is totally on board to sway, including changing diet, caffeine intake, supplements, lifestyle, frequent releasing, etc so we've tried to use the past two cycles (and hopefully this cycle) to chart the important stuff like pH, ovulation, especially because the PCOS messes so many thing up for swaying for a girl. Plus, his pH is really high. The last 3 times we tested his pH, it averaged 8.0 .

The last two months we DTD close to ovulation and did not use protection and I haven't conceived so I'm hoping it is the same for this cycle. I'm supposed to be going to back to school this fall so I don't know if this is a great time to get pregnant anyway.

Hi, I've heard that female orgasm is a BIG No No when swaying for pink. Shettles said it first. and I believe there is truth to it. multiple orgasms got me my two sons. So avoid them entirely if you can.

[fresas]

I follow you.

What is weird is that without orgasm, my pH was higher than with one.

Both of these experiences were with repHresh used about 12 hours apart.

I have to avoid Sylk. I don't think it helps with my pH at all. I used Sylk and repHresh with the no orgasm experience and my pH was 7.

I will avoid orgasms, but strangely, I think the Sylk has been behind an unusually high pH both times I have used it so far. My pH is high even after using repHresh when I use Sylk so I don't think I can use Sylk at all.

Plus, when it comes to pH, I'm not sure I can do the LE diet. I'm trying to figure out other ways I can keep my pH low, although it is typically pretty low vaginally.

I'm still reading about it, but it looks less and less like I can the LE diet because while it may decrease my pH, it is going to increase my testosterone because I have PCOS and PCOS does not respond well with refined carbs, low nutrient foods. These increase bad testosterone and cause insulin issues which also cause an increase in bad testosterone.

It is not a good situation for swaying girl for me. I'm kind of lost right now.

[rainbowflower]

fresas perhaps you can put the emphasis on being more vegetarian and weight loss?

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't know that breastfeeding or pumping would work well (bad), but you are right, school could still work (good).

I'm nervous though. This definitely wouldn't be proper sway how we would want it. I hope I can convince my body this was just a practice run.

I can't remember what day I had a positive OPK this cycle. I think it was on day 9 or 10? I'm on CD 14 today. I ran out of the strips super unintentionally though so I haven't continued testing which is not good for tracking weird or false positive OPKs.

Anyway, kind of off topic, but I have been talking about the LE diet with DH and I cannot do that diet with my PCOS. I gain weight, I get bad acne, my cycles get weirder and more painful than they already are, and I have more cyst pain. I don't know what to do. Unfortunately, a low carb diet + lots of green vegetables tends to work out well and that is so boy friendly.

I am also already pretty severely calorie restricted, too.

I don't know how to do this diet with my PCOS. I wonder if there is any way to keep my general pH lower without the LE diet. Maybe with a lot of Splenda and Crystal Light and lots of repHresh? I don't know. Any ideas?

I take metformin so this might help with the low blood sugar aspect of girl swaying?

This past week and a half I have been really naughty and eating a lot of sugar and cereal, but I'm paying for it with acne, sore breasts (could be due to ovulation, too), and a lot of bloating/cyst pain.

I totally understand and just hope that whatever is best, is coming down the road for you! (PS - Sis was not able to BF because of being in school so you are totally right on that!)

Green vegetables are FINE on LE diet. You don't have to eat grains and sugar, that's just what some people do...many people are scared to eat vegetables because IG says they're "alkalininzing" but who even knows if that is true in any way?? I mean calcium tablets are "alkalinizing" and they certainly aren't avoiding those!!

Above all else, you ahve to do what is best for you and your body. What if you focused mostly on green vegetables and then upped your protein to 50-70 g? Even a little animal protein would be ok for you in that circumstance, because you wouldn't be getting high levels of protein from pasta and breads like some pink swayers choose to do.

I think if you use antihistamine to dry up some CM and use RepHresh (or whatever works for you) then that is all you need do to for pH.

Metformin is great for lowering blood sugar and it does tend to sway pink.

[atomic sagebrush]

More diet thoughts!

If the more boy friendly PCOS diet actually seems to help keep my testosterone in better check than the LE diet, I wonder if it would be better to stay on the PCOS diet because it helps keep testosterone levels lower. It may not be like this for the woman without PCOS, though.

PCOS diet does result in a higher natural pH, though. That's why I was wondering if downing the artificial sugars and making repHresh my BFF would work well? Maybe not?

Ideas?

I think that the rules HAVE to be different for those with PCOS (or anyone who has problems with blood sugar) because your body doesn't metabolize carbs the same way. I can't truly say wihtout having a side by side study or two what the results would be, but if (as seems to be the case) testosterone and blood sugar are what is doing the swaying, then it just makes the most sense that for YOU, lowering testosterone and blood sugar, can only help.

[atomic sagebrush]

Your diet looks very healthy and very PCOS friendly, but with the aspartame, keeping calories low, etc, probably good for girl swaying.

PCOS diet is very boy friendly, but is also much more low carb than boy diets. Any carbs you do eat should be whole wheat. Eating frequently is a good idea with PCOS. Basically, because of the risk of insulin resistance, we have to eat like diabetics in order to keep the insulin resistance away and keep the testosterone levels lower.

The PCOS diet is not the most girl-friendly at first glance. That's why I'm having these questions because on this board, diet seems to be a major factor for swaying, but for girls swaying who have PCOS, we can't necessarily do the LE diet because it can have the opposite affect as a woman without PCOS. But, I wonder if staying on a more boy-friendly diet is what PCOS girls need to do because it helps keep blood sugar levels more stable (no spikes) and helps keep testosterone lower?

I think a PCOS diet can raise pH, but it doesn't for me, at least not vaginally. One of my main struggles with girl swaying is that I know if I do a LE diet, I think it actually elevates my testosterone and doesn't do much for the pH since my pH is naturally at 4.5 most of the time.

I don't think the LE diet elevates testosterone with ladies who do not have PCOS.

However, in girls with PCOS, because of the way our bodies tend to go towards insulin resistance or are insulin resistant, eating simple carbohydrates and avoiding overall general healthy eating probably tends to cause more insulin resistance, which in turn elevates testosterone because the insulin binds to the wrong type of testosterone which allows unhealthy testosterone to dominate. This is already a major problem for PCOS girls.

I don't know for sure, though. I am not a doctor. I'm just hypothesizing based on my own experience when I deviate from PCOS diet friendly stuff. I'm also hypothesizing based on how insulin resistance or early insulin resistance is a sign of high levels of bad testosterone. That's why a lot of girls (including myself) are on metformin. It helps keep the weight gain down, helps with regular periods, acne, cyst bursts, etc.

I don't know if there are many girls on the board who have swayed girl with PCOS. I would love to hear about it.

+ OPKs: I ordered more OPK strips so hopefully they will be here by next week.

Whole grains are FINE on the LE Diet. 100% fine. Just think for all those millions of years, we didn't even have refined grains and yet the human race kept having 50-50 boys and girls.

Eating too much sugar and carbs (without fiber) DOES cause blood sugar and testosterone to rise in those with PCOS. Metformin will help with that somewhat but you are right, you need to do what is right for your body above all else.

If the PCOS diet does not raise your vaginal pH, that is all that matters. The idea that your blood itself becomes more acidic or alkaline is totally debunked - - if your blood pH changes, you DIE.

Fresas, I think you should feel good about increasing green veg and slightly increasing protein intake. If you can lose a bit of weight even better. I think you're on the right track!!!