Does freshest sperm always win out over older sperm for timing?

[zanacal]

Well, nobody knows for sure! Even if you don't buy the theory that girl sperm like low pH and boy sperm like high pH (I don't!), low pH will still kill off some sperm and for unknown reasons lower sperm count favours girls. Also, if you're using one of the gels the consistency of it will lower sperm count even further as some sperm won't make it through.

[LolaInLove]

Exactly! If swaying were an exact science, it would have been packaged and sold a long time ago. There is evidence to support a variety of "theories" about the swaying factors, but in my opinion, everyone has a kind of perfect combination that may do the trick. The caveat is finding your combo. Maybe you need to do everything? Maybe just diet alone would do the trick? We don't know, so we dabble with all of the factors. Some of us do every little thing, and some of us just do a loose diet and a few supps and that's it. However, like Zanacal said, the ph theory has, I think, been sort of debunked, but it does help with lowering sperm count, which has been shown to favor girl conceptions. So, if I were ttc a girl, I would be sure to try to create a low sperm count/hostile environment, kwim? (And I laugh at writing this because in my year of swaying and ttc, I have doubted swaying and thought and rethought about it a million times. You would think it was a religion. I have come to believe it sort of is....you believe in certain aspects of it actually being a key for you, and you do what you can to make that happen, to the degree that your heart enables you to. If you MUST have your dg, you are all out. If not, you do a little but don't get obsessed.)

[atomic sagebrush]

Lola, I read somewhere (probably on IG, but can't remember) that Deanna's plan sways pink. Maybe bcos of frequent BDing?

Yes, some people say it sways pink but I swear my husband could DTD every other day and his testicles would only chuckle and continue producing sperm in massive quantities. For 100% lower sperm count (swaying pink) you HAVE to DTD every day or even more, or else not DTD at all. For optimal sperm count (swaying blue), 2-4 days in between BD is just right.

[atomic sagebrush]

DTD every other day starting on day 10 was how we conceived 3 boys!

We DTD a LOT with DS 2 and 3, I'm sure it was every other day at least!!!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

yeah I agree, I think sometimes frequent release (if all releases are inside the woman) means that there are simply lots of potential swimmers in there so that cancels out the low sperm count thing. I think (IMO) frequent release would be more effective if only half of the releases are BDs

I answered this on the other thread but the difference in sperm numbers between frequent BD, even if you DTD every day, is STILL less than one or two releases where the sperm numbers are optimal. Plus, pink swayers are already doing so much to kill off sperm to begin with, that they may NEED to BD frequently inside the woman rather than relying on only one BD to get pg.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think this is why my dr recommended bd every other day from cd10-18....is that what you are getting at? If this helps you guys at all, my ex-dh (father of my girls) was a "frequent releaser" on his own, but we only dtd one time, and it was towards the end of O because I was doing timing method of bc and thought I had Oed already. BUT he may have had a low count from his solo fun all the time and tight undies. Biggest factor, I think, was that I hardly ate ever as he wanted me super thin. Ass. Anyway, ITA that there are more swimmers in there....and I think the every other day thing ensures that there are fresh ones with a well-built up supply coming in at least once during ovulation. Whether those guys or older guys make it, who knows.....

Lola, didn't you mention that he also enjoyed the occasional special cigarette??

[atomic sagebrush]

OK, I'm totally confused.

If pH being high or low doesn't effect sperm, why do we use RepHresh, Replens and Acijel? I've been using RepHresh every 3 days and my pH has stayed nice and low, but now I'm hearing that pH probably doesn't matter???

So, what DOES matter? Is all of it just total BS?

I don't think anyone is saying that pH can't AFFECT sperm, just that there is no evidence that X sperm "like" low pH and Y sperm "like" high pH and that you must have low/high pH every second in order to conceive a baby girl/boy and if your pH varies from that range that your sway is ruined. ALL sperm seem to thrive in medium pH and it is probable that very high pH and very low pH BOTH kill off some sperm (sky-high pH is counteracted somewhat by the naturally low pH of vaginal secretions and so it's more easily overcome than the low pH is...low pH is so effective at killing sperm that some spermicides rely totally on low pH to kill sperm.)

The reason why we use the RepHresh/Acijel is partly because a lot of people want to do everything they can to sway and leave no stone unturned, so they want to include the pH stuff, and partly because lowering sperm numbers does seem to sway pink and since RepHresh/Acijel are sperm unfriendly, they are swaying pink regardless ofwj. If low pH sways pink, we're covered. If low sperm numbers are what sways pink, we're covered. If BOTH low pH and low sperm numbers sway pink, we're doubly covered.

The problem with BS is that so few people are studying this. It's politically incorrect to even admit to having a gender preference let alone be a researcher studying ways to sway gender ratio. So some of this is old wives tales that are totally baloney, some is leftover Dr. Shettles (who has been proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt but keeps turning up like a bad penny)http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...rm-and-Y-sperm, and other stuff is based on animal research, some of which is VERY old, which may or may not even apply to humans.

[LolaInLove]

Lola, didn't you mention that he also enjoyed the occasional special cigarette??

He did LOTS of girl-friendly stuff...he actually was a daily smoker of both kinds, wore tighty whiteys, was a huge stressball, had a job where he sat all day (I figure balls were tucked in there and hot all day)....all this aside from the daily shower-lovin.' So, I really think it was a combo of both of us that was super chica-land.