by Atomic Sagebrush
On this site, there is no cookie-cutter, everyone-must-do-this-or-else sway – you are free to pick and choose the sway tactics that you feel is right for YOU. But, the sheer amount of info presented all at once does make it seem rather daunting to people and it probably comes off that we are suggesting you do EVERYTHING. So NBP suggested that we come up with some simplified suggestions – examples, or templates – of sways that a person might want to make their own. You don’t have to do ANY of these sways, there is no one size, fits all sway and no right or wrong way to sway.
For starters, you might want to read the following to help you determine what your sway strategy is.
https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?1382-The-Kitchen-Sink-the-Mellow-Yellow-the-Do-Nothing-and-the-80-20-rule-of-swaying!Before you begin to plan your sway, you should stop to consider how swaying will affect your odds of pregnancy. It does you no good to sway if you sway so hard that you have no chance of getting pregnant; you have NO chance of your desired gender if you cannot even conceive. And the longer you go on getting BFNs month after month, the more likely it is that you will begin to drop things – unfortunately, the things that get dropped first tend to be the things that are hardest to stick to and yet have the most scientific evidence backing them up, like diet. Some people are willing to go on from now until menopause getting nothing but BFNs but for most people, it seems much wiser to me to hit it hard and get it over with quick! You know yourself best, so be honest with yourself about what is realistic for you.
A reminder – you should start ANY diet 6 weeks before you TTC and you and DH MUST quit smoking if you want a son, no ifs, ands, or buts, that one is non-negotiable.
DO NOTHING SWAY – Seriously, for reals. You can Duggar-it-out and decide that you‘ll just keep having kids until you get your DG. People get their desired gender every day by doing nothing any different than they have any day of their lives. Luck and chemistry may be on your side and it may be that all you need to do is just get pregnant. This is statistically more true for moms who want sons than it is for moms who want daughters because your odds of a boy go up after 3 girls. However, advancing maternal age does make you more likely to conceive a daughter so if you‘re in your late 30‘s your odds of a girl are better. (you can still conceive a boy in your late 30’s!!!! BELIEVE ME!! LOL!!!!
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For pink, abstain/frequent release with a cutoff. Do not exercise at all. Skip breakfast, but otherwise only worry about blood glucose levels right before ovulation and during the 2WW. Take vitex and folic acid but NO other vitamin supplements. Take an antihistamine. I personally prefer that you not worry too much about timing because it doesn’t sway much and it raises testosterone – get pregnant as quick as you can to limit the amount of time you have to stick to the diet.
For blue, Pre-Seed, Robitussin/Mucinex and sperm-enhancing supplements and BD patterns for blue, and timing ONLY if you absolutely must. Exercise or not, whatever you prefer, as long as you are not a habitual over-exerciser (but lifting weights will REALLY help your sway). Take any supps that boost egg/sperm quality that you feel comfortable with and a wide array of vitamin and nutrient supplements. Green tea, wheatgrass, gelatin drink, and lemon water are all safe to use. Use timing if you like but I prefer that you use Deanna’s Plan in order to up your odds of pregnancy.
For pink, the Low Everything diet plus minerals plus aspartame, limiting alkaline foods, taking cran or baby aspirin, and strictly limiting blood sugar all the time. Lose 5-7 pounds if at all possible, and do intense cardio exercise 6-7 days a week. Use RepHresh, abstain/frequent release, with a cutoff. If you can beg, borrow, or steal some Clomid, USE it. (not really, only use Clomid under the supervision of a doctor. ) If you can’t get Clomid, use vitex and saw palmetto.
For blue, High Everything diet, cut way back on cal-mag if you‘re not already, limit acidic foods, use stevia as a sweetener, and do the BSD or Ural drinks. Use egg white rather than Pre-Seed.
For blue, the Deluxe Package plus douching and ONLY one attempt 12 hours after your positive OPK. TTC blue from Sept-Nov. only.
NOTE – if you are in the Southern Hemisphere, reverse the suggested months to TTC (so TTC blue Mar-May and pink Sept-Nov) and if you are near the equator, don’t worry about months at all because the day length doesn’t vary enough to send a signal to your body.
Archive for Natural Gender Swaying – Page 8
A SHORT HISTORY OF THIS METHOD
In 1935, a German biologist called Herbst was the first to prove the effects of potassium, and then subsequently of magnesium, on the mechanism of sex-selection.
As is the case with many discoveries, Herbst was in fact looking for something completely different when he made this discovery. He was actually studying the role of potassium in living organisms and for this he used a small worm called Bonellia virdis. Taking aquariums filled with artificial sea water, he had the concentration of potassium altered in order to show how his Bonellia virdis absorbed potassium from the outside environment. He soon noticed that when he increased the potassium content of the water in the aquariums the proportion of male worms increased too. Then he very quickly made a second discovery: when he decreased the concentration of potassium and at the same time increased that of magnesium, he obtained the opposite, i.e. an increase in the number of females.
In 1938 a second German biologist, Hartman, this time using another worm called Ophryotroca puerilis, reached the same conclusions. Meanwhile a third biologist, Tzonis, carried out the same research on Dinophilus apatris. The same result: an excess of potassium favors the birth of males, a decrease in potassium associated with an increase in magnesium increases the number of female births.
After the War, this phenomenon was noticed by a French physiologist, Professor Stolkowski of the Faculty of Sciences in Paris, who extended his investigations to other animal species and explained how the phenomenon worked. In 1958 he confirmed that an amphibian, Discogllossus pictus, when bred in an environment rich in potassium produced a majority of males, but that the same creatures, bred in an environment enriched in calcium and magnesium, produced a majority of females.
Later he substantiated the discovery of the German biologists by establishing that it is not so much the quantity of potassium that is decisive but the relation between potassium, on one hand, and the calcium and magnesium on the other. So Professor Stolkowski is really the father of this theory since he did all the initial work on the method of sex-selection by diet.
The next stage was obviously to find out whether the same phenomenon would be repeated with other animal species and in particular with mammals, for the essential difference between the semi-aquatic species (such as amphibians, for example) and terrestrial species (such as mammals) in the environment in which they live. In fact, semi-aquatic species live part of their lives in a liquid environment through which they absorb external substances.
But it is the opposite for the animals and humans who live on the land: here, it is the cells themselves which float in an internal liquid environment. It is rather as though one were carrying about ones’ own little internal sea, one’s own inner lake. Any exchange of substances occurs via this liquid in the body.
It is, then, easy to alter the potassium content or calcium and magnesium content of an aquarium in a laboratory, but how can an internal environment be altered? By the intake of food. For all the substances the body receives are brought to it from outside, either through the digestive tract or the respiratory passages. Thus the alimentary canal becomes a means by which the mineral composition of this environment can be transformed.
In 1967 Professor Stolkowski published the results of a retrospective survey carried out on 134 farms, concerning the births of 25,653 claves.
He discovered:
- On farms where the proportions of potassium, magnesium and calcium were properly balanced in the feed, as many male calves as female were born.
- On farms where the feed included an excess of potassium, an increase in male calves was observed.
- On farms where the diet underwent a decrease in potassium while the calcium and magnesium content was increased, more female calves were born.
In 1969 Stolkowski and his colleagues pushed their research a little further. They undertook, this time, an investigatory study on 82 farms where they analyzed the mineral composition of the feed given to the cows. These results were also conclusive:
- On the 30 farms offering balanced feed (the proportions of potassium on the one hand and calcium and magnesium on the other being more or less equal), 148 males and 149 females were born.
- On the 52 farms using a diet rich in calcium and magnesium, 340 females were born compared to 280 males.
After this second study, their investigation became even more specific: they now took sodium into account, as this plays an important role in the functioning of the adrenal glands, which in their turn maintain the proper level of potassium in the body.
They then undertook an experimental study, in which they laid great emphasis on dietary restrictions. The cow is the ideal subject for this type of experiment, as it has an ovarian cycle very similar to that of a woman. Unfortunately, just like a woman, the cow is not very prolific. And since it was necessary to wait for the births to take place, the studies took some time. It is moreover rather difficult to find farmers who are willing to cooperate and alter the feed of an entire breed.
A study was carried out on 23 farms in the Doubs region: vitamin D (which controls the calcium content of the body) was injected into cows. In all, 961 births were obtained. Of these 961 calves, 77 came from mothers that had been treated with vitamin D.
Non-treated animals: 380 females, 504 males- 43% females/57 % male
Treated animals: 49 females, 28 males- 63.6 % females/36.4 % males
These results therefore confirmed what the experiments had so far demonstrated: that an environment rich in calcium favors female births.
Now to humans. It was in 1975 that Doctors Lorrain and Gagnon, of the Sacre-Couer Maternity Clinic in Montreal, published the results of a retrospective survey concerning the eating habits of a hundred women who had children of the same sex only.
Of the fifty who had only boys, forty had a diet with a high salt-content (in the form of both salt as such and salty foods) and poor in calcium and magnesium. Out of the fifty who had only girls, forty naturally had a diet poor in sodium and rich in calcium and magnesium.
At the same time they tried to predict the sex of the unborn children of fifty women who had very specific eating habits. Thirty of these women had a “boy-type” diet and twenty a “girl-type” diet. The first thirty (boy-type) gave birth to 24 boys and 6 girls and the last twenty (girl diet) brought into the world 16 girls and 4 boys. The hypothesis was beginning to become more convincing.
Two years later, a French doctor, Michele Duc, chose as her doctoral thesis to do a detailed investigation of the eating habits of ninety-nine women who had at least two children of the same sex.
Fifty-three had only boys and forty-six had only girls.
Painstakingly she studies the mineral composition of each item of their diet until she was finally able to determine the type of diet (girl-type or boy-type) followed spontaneously by each of these women by working out the ratio of potassium and sodium to calcium and magnesium, and this is what she discovered:
- 84.4 percent of the women who had boys, in general only ate food corresponding to the boy diet. The ratio of potassium and sodium to calcium and magnesium was higher than 4.
- 84 percent of the women who had only girls, spontaneously followed a girl diet. The same ratio was under 2.
Michele Duc’s study now proved, in 84 percent of the women, that there is a correlation between eating habits and the sex of a child. It was a momentous discovery – a small revolution. Here at last was the proof that this phenomenon existed. It was yet to be discovered, of course whether it could be artificially created. That is to say – offer a “girl” or “boy” diet to women who wanted to choose the sec of their child, and await the result!
On January 14, 1977 Port-Royal Maternity Clinic in Paris set up and experiment and the only criteria to join was that you had to be healthy. They had the women keep notebooks of detailed accounts of everything- both liquid and solid- they consumed. They had to follow it for 2.5 months before the intended date of conception. They had the women use common household scales to weigh how much food they were consuming too.
As you might expect, not all kept up with the notebooks. So, to classify the results, the patients were therefore divided into five groups, and this was of course done before knowing the outcome of the pregnancy.
Group 1 The diet was scrupulously followed. Control by means of the notebooks.
Group 2 The patients said they followed the diet totally, but not all notebooks were produced.
Group 3 and 4 The women who did not follow the diet properly – either because their notebooks revealed errors in applying it, or because they admitted (before knowing the sex of the baby, of course) that they had deviated from the diet.
Group 5 The patients didn’t use the method – for example, those women who started the diet when they were already pregnant but didn’t know it, or those – the most numerous – who gave it up before becoming pregnant.
Here are the results obtained at the end of the first two years.
In the first two groups, i.e. those women who did follow the diet, the success rate was 77.6 percent.
In groups 3 and 4, those women who did not keep to the diet, the success rate was no more than 52 percent.
After two years of the study, the doctors of the Port-Royal Maternity Clinic were able to obtain more information from their work.
- First, they discovered that the demand for boys and for girls was more or less equal, for out of 215 patients, 100 wanted a girl, and 115 a boy.
- They also realized that the diet was apparently quite difficult to follow, wince many women were not following it correctly. Two thirds actually gave up along the way. Since all the women wanting to take part in the experiment had been accepted at the outset without any selection test, it may be assumed that some of them were not motivated strongly enough and that they perhaps were there more out of curiosity- “just to see”.
- The girl diet was neither any more nor any less effective than the boy diet.
- Finally, there was no difference between the children of those mothers who had followed the diet and those who hadn’t: all the infants were of normal weight and in good health at birth.
Two other teams who undertook similar work obtained identical results. They confirmed one another’s findings. Brilliant!
Dr Lorrain and his colleagues in Montreal achieved a success rate of 80 percent: 181 children of the sex desired out of a total of 224 pregnancies. Professor Stolkowski and his colleagues at the Faculty of Sciences in Paris achieved an 88 percent success rate, with 53 births of the sex required out of a total of 60.
All these finding therefore indicate that this method is almost 80 percent reliable. So let us try. It may well open doors for you too.
The Kitchen Sink, the Mellow Yellow, the Do-Nothing, and the 80-20 rule of swaying!
by Atomic Sagebrush, GenderDreaming.com
I thought it might be helpful to talk a bit about different swaying strategies.
What is right for one person may not be right for another. There is no one size, fits all sway. I think there’s room for lots of different sways and that first and foremost we must do what is right for ourselves, our families, and our marital relationships.
Things to consider before entering into any sway –
How important is it for me to conceive a child of a particular gender? Will I be devasted if I conceive an opposite? Should I be looking into HT?
How solid is my relationship? How much swaying is my husband willing to put up with? Could I cause permanent damage by pressuring him to do things he is uncomfortable with? Is HE the one who wants a child of a particular gender or will swaying potentially put him off the idea of another child all together?
What kind of time parameters are we dealing with? Are we in a rush due to age, our desired family makeup and child spacing, or career issues?
What is our fertility status to begin with? Are we in our late 30’s? Does my husband have lower sperm count? Am I healthy or do I have any sicknesses that require strict dietary guidelines that I should not deviate from?
What will our next step be if this sway fails? Would we do HT if that happens? If so, wouldn’t it be more sensible just to go HT NOW rather than waiting several years if we conceive an opposite? (the older you get, the less chance you have at successfully going HT so it is better to try HT first if you can) Would we have another child? Do we even want another child if we fail? Is this my last shot at my DG?
Will this ruin me if it goes bad? Will swaying take over my life? Am I the obsessive type? Will swaying actually hurt worse than doing nothing if I get an opposite, or will I at least feel like I tried?
Thinking about those questions may help clarify what your hopes and expectations are for swaying and it may become apparent what strategy is right for you.
FIRST AND FOREMOST WHEN SWAYING – If you don’t get pregnant, you have NO chance of your DG.
The “Kitchen Sink” sway – Forget everything but the kitchen sink, you want to throw the sink in there too!
IF you are someone who really, truly feel that you MUST have a child of a particular gender and really truly cannot go HT, and if, as my friend Tamara said once, you are willing to go from now until menopause getting nothing but BFN’s, then this approach may be for you. You will want to do and try everything even if it drastically reduces your odds of pregancy. This is particularly true for pink swayers because a lot of stuff we do for pink lowers the odds of pregnancy.
You will need a husband who is very supportive and not to have any time constraints (as in, if your husband is stationed overseas and only home for three months, this is NOT the approach you should take.) You need patience and nerves of steel because once those BFN’s start piling up, a lot of people lose heart and are inclined to give up. And the longer you sway, the more likely it is that you will give up on things that are hard to stick to, like diet.
Caveat – This approach is poison for people who tend to get very obsessive and worked up about things. Not only does it have the potential to raise testosterone levels, but they tend to add more and more to their sway until one day they snap and give up on swaying all together. Even for blue swayers this can be dicey because in some people, chronic long-term anxiety may supress testosterone and end up swaying pink! Sometimes you just can’t win!
It’s also harder for many people if their sway fails, because not only did they feel that they had a guarantee because they had done everything, but they also may feel like they tried so hard and blame themselves for the three chocolate chips they ate in October.
The “Mellow Yellow” – If it feels good, do it. Pick and choose the things that feel right to you and leave the rest of it in God’s hands because that’s probably where it is anyway.
If your husband isn’t supportive, no worries, just leave the husband stuff out of it. Some things may lower your odds of pregnancy esp. if you’re swaying pink.
I want to pause for a second here to introduce one of the most fundamental rules of both swaying and life in general – the 80-20 rule. “You get 80% of the results with 20% of the effort, but to get that last 20% of the results, you will have to expend 80% of the effort to get it.”
In other words, you can still have a damn fine sway without worrying about every last detail, and for pink it may even be a finer sway because you aren’t at quite as high a risk the bump in testosterone that can happen when you tackle a big, involved project (still some risk of that, though)
This is better for people who are in a hurry to get pregnant but not completely.
Caveat – This is probably not going to be as ‘perfect’ a sway as a Kitchen Sink sway. If you do end up conceiving an opposite, you may have regrets that you didn’t do this or that, and I have seen some women blame their husbands for not wanting to go along with certain aspects of swaying.
The Do-Nothing – NOT swaying and just TTC, is always an option. The vast majority of babies of either gender that have ever been conceived on the face of the planet were born to parents who had never heard the word swaying other than the wind through the trees. For most of us, if we keep having children (aka “Duggaring-it-out) we will end up conceiving an opposite just by getting pregnant again.
There is a lot less risk of raising your testosterone levels with this method. It’s perfect for people who are in a hurry to get pregnant because there is no preparation required. And it may be best for people who find they get very worked up and stressed when they consider swaying.
Caveat – You may be inadvertently be doing things that sway strongly one direction without intending to, so if you just TTC again without changing those things, you run the risk of just conceiving a child of the same gender as you
already have. (Of course if you want another child of the same gender, don’t mess with success!) Also, you may have regrets later on if you conceive an opposite.
The Advanced Do-Nothing – IF you’re a woman who tends to get very worked up and stressed out about things AND you have a supportive husband, the option exists that he can surprise you with a sudden attempt one day!
Maybe it’s a pipe dream, but I can envision a husband that does all the research, quietly monitors his wife’s cycle (or helps her chart as some DH’s do) and just arrives in the bedroom one night with a bottle of wine, a tube of Sylk or Pre-Seed, maybe an antihistamine or Robitussin, gives his wife a blissful backrub and lets nature take its course!
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