My girl sway 2016 :)

[Rainbow16]

We've had good luck with coming off the pill and catching the first egg or two after that. Quite good results for pink.

Your body has stores of B12 saved up for years (a very small amount of people have trouble absorbing B12 and have to supplement, but most of us do not need to take b12.

RE minerals - most of us on here have boys we conceived on the mineral balancing diets (myself included) so I would not worry too much about the mineral aspects of birth control pills.

Fingers crossed I am one of the lucky ones that gets pregnant straight after coming off the pill! That would be an absolute miracle and totally amazing!
Its always taking me a while to fall pregnant but I think there may have been issue from the last donor.

That's great our body stores these minerals I had no idea, I thought they would deplete over time but I guess that's more so if you not getting what you need through you food intake etc..

[Rainbow16]

Thanks so much for your patience on this - if I recall we were also talking in the TBM thread, did you ahve more questions on TBM for you guys??

I would be relatively cautious about loading up on douches, jellies, etc. when doing TBM because they do really cut odds of conception. Some of our TBM gals have had trouble getting things organized with their sperm donors month after month after month (they're often cooperative at first but as months pass they start getting rebellious haha) so it may be smarter to be in with a relatively good chance of conception that first month out.

That's ok hun
Yes that was us! You have a good memory.
I do actually, we haven't conceived this way before. Previously it has been natural insemination because we were led to believe it was going to give us the best chances of conceiving. So, when we are inseminating do we hold the syringe further away from the cervix in order to get the whole missionary idea from it? Or should we be inseminating as close to the cervix as possible?(with out going into the cervix obviously).

We have aci-jel that I was going to do a finger tip of every other day or once when I get a positive OPK, I'm thinking maybe I shouldn't do that just so we increase our chances of conception. However at the same time we are really hoping for our girl.

I also mentioned about the douching, I haven't douched before so this is all very new to me. Again douching was something we had read on the ingender site, telling us that we needed to flush away the egg white cervical mucus as it was boy friendly. I was hesitant in doing it because I know it needs to be there to aid sperm to get to the correct place and stay viable for the time needed.

Also would you recommend inseminating once or twice over the positive OPK period?
I've read that 1 is a good girl sway but as you were saying ideally we want to get pregnant faster because of the donor haha.
Yes I know exactly what you mean by rebellious they can be had to deal with as time goes on. But in saying that we are very very thankful for what they do!

[Rainbow16]

You do need at least some EWCM for sperm to live in and travel to the egg through. It's fine to start off trying lots of different things (although I am not a huge fan of douching under any circumstances really) but just be willing to drop them over time if BFN. What I don't like to see is you guys starting off doing everything under the sun and then doing that for 6 months, then dropping everything in a panic and starting to sway blue practically, to boost fertility and get pregnant. Start off doing the sway you want to do, and then every month that passes, pick one or two things to drop, starting with the least effective, worst for conception things that are bugging you the most and preserving the most effective things the longest.

Thank you so much for your help, its been very informative.
We will definitely follow your instructions and do what we can to help sway pink but also get pregnant asap. We will drop things we don't feel are helpful as you have suggested and keep going until something happens, its bound to eventually right haha.
I'll be completely and utterly shocked if I get a BFP on our first or second month. I'm expecting it to take years again. Its actually part of the reason I didn't want to try for #4, I didn't want to struggle and go through the heart break every month for another 2 years. Its all worth it in the end but its an emotional rollercoaster through out. My partner is very very confident its going to happen the first month so hears hoping

[atomic sagebrush]

Some of the nutrients are not well stored so you do need to keep getting those via diet or supps - Vit. C and most of the Bs are usually in plentiful supply on a sensible (nonstarvation) LE Diet. But B12 your body is good at storing for most women of childbearing age.

You do need to be careful to be getting enough potassium every day - 2500-3500 mg is the minimum your body needs.

Over time Zinc and iodine can also be depleted but for now we don't need to worry about those ones just yet. Hopefully you'll get pregnant quickly and can just pick up with prenatal upon BFP.

[atomic sagebrush]

Don't mess around trying for shallow release. That has never once been proven in any way to actually sway at all and additionally it really cuts odds of conception. I know this because I've had several people who could not seem to get pregnant for many months (DTD naturally) and then lo and behold, I eventually came to find out that they were always doing shallow release still!! Even when they were doing literally everything else to get pregnant, they had kept going with shallow, and then once we corrected that they got pregnant right away. Additionally with TBM, you just lose some of the "stuff" along the way by the very nature of the process so I don't want you to end up with nothing there to greet the egg when she shows up.

Acijel has been neutral in our results and it does cut odds of conception. Use at your own discretion and it may be among the first things you want to drop.

Re douching - yeah I am just not a fan of it especially in this type of scenario. If you feel that you must give it a try, that's fine, just use a storebought douche no sooner than 4-6 hours before the insemination and again, it may preferably be something you want to drop sooner rather than later.

I would start off doing one attempt and then add more attempts as you go. I do want to assure you, though, that with our two people who were doing TBM for boys (one same sex couple, one couple who had MFI) and then we have had one other couple who also did TBM (without the splime and low pH stuff) with the husband's sample trying for pink for personal reasons all three of them did get girls without any of the IG recommended stuff. I strongly believe something about the TBM process sways pink regardless so we just need for you to conceive without preventing that from happning!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey

That's ok, I knew you would reply when you weren't busy.
I wasn't tracking how much I was taking in but will start doing that today, I have downloaded an app called "easy diet diary".
how much do I need to be taking in to remain pregnant? I have had 2 miscarriages before so definitely don't want to go through another one, both were before 6 weeks.

I haven't physically tested my Ph levels, I don't need the vitamin c nor any other supplement, I was taking them because from what I had read they swayed girl. I believe it was of a site called ingender. I have stopped taking them all apart from the folic acid which I will now increase to the amount you have suggested
I had only been taking the supps for 3 days when I wrote this so thankfully they weren't in my system to long and hopefully don't effect my sway this month!

Vitamin B12 was again just for the sway, not official need for it at all.

excellent!!

I like you guys at 1500-1800 cals, 40-50 g protein, 30-60 g fat. Don't cut back any more than that, this is the low-normal range for a healthy pre-pregnancy diet as recommended by the World Health Organization.

No worries on pH, I no longer believe in it after researching into the biology of how it might work and finding out it was all a bunch of stuff and nonsense. i got my 4th boy with a pH of 4.5 (I was on Ingender at that time) so I know it's not very reliable anyway.

[atomic sagebrush]

I have switched tea for coffee but I am mostly a milo drinker, is it true that caffeine can effect getting pregnant? I always thought you were meant to reduce your caffeine intake to help getting pregnant. Some of this stuff can get very confusing huh? lol

Most people can get pregnant with a reasonable amount of caff intake. 3 cups is what most of us have done and been able to conceive just fine that way. It may be something in coffee itself and not caffeine so if the caff is worrying to you, try decaf coffee.

[Rainbow16]

Hey Atomic,

I'm so sorry for not replying, we have been super busy! Cycle#1 was a fail, had day 21 bloods done which shows I did ovulate and my progesterone levels were good after all. They were at 40.9!
For some unknown reason my temps didn't escalate much higher then the cover line after ovulation this cycle. I also had an ultrasound done at 7DPO and my lining was only at 5mm!! That's absolutely terrible no baby can implant in that, needless to say I gave up all hope for this cycle after that scan.
Then to top it all off AF arrived at 9DPO, again not long enough to sustain a pregnancy.. My DR won't prescribe clomid or progesterone cream as she isn't allowed to only a fertility specialist can here. I don't think clomid would benefit me much any way, it is known to thin out lining and since its already super thin it could make matter worse.
I'm so stuck on what to do, I'm also bummed. We had the perfect cycle until after ovulation, only 1 attempt, stuck to the diet, ovulated right on usual time. argh! Oh well, try again!

I've added these into my diet (Apparently meant to help thicken uterine lining)
Red raspberry leaf tea x2 a day CD1-13
Pomegranate juice x1 cup a day CD1-13
Vitamin E tablet 1x 500mg a day Whole cycle.

Vitamin E and Folic Acid are the only supps I am taking.
Folic acid I am taking 1,500mg daily, As well as sticking to the LE diet and getting around 1,800 calories a day to maintain my weight of 54kgs at 164cm height.

I honestly hope this doesn't sway blue to much, if it does I don't know what else to do.
This is stressful

Edited to add I also had VERY minimal EWCM, I'm not sure what to do there either as preseed sway blue for the most part.

[atomic sagebrush]

Your problem is not progesterone, it's estrogen.

I want you to drop the Vit. E immediately as that is not the issue and Vit. E may mess up cell division (not what you want when you're trying to get pregnant)

What most doctors would do in this case is give you Clomid + estradiol for the lining. But that having been said, this was just one cycle and it may very well be the case that in future months your body would have fixed that (and still can)

I want you to start eating 1 serving full fat dairy every day, 6 eggs a week, and 1 serving salmon or red meat every week. This will give you the raw materials you need to make estrogen. Drop fiber if taking it.

Keep going with RRLT and pom juice.

[Rainbow16]

Okay, I have dropped the Vit E, I was taking that as the same place I read about pom juice and RRLT said it helps egg quality and uterus lining. They must be mistaken! I trust you a heck of a lot more then that page.

I hope my body fixes it quick smart, I felt so down this cycle as AF arrived so early. I felt we were trying for nothing because I know I wont conceive with the LP length. I'm sure I am a late implanter as I've never got a positive pregnancy test before 13dpo.

Ok, I will start eating all of those! Thank you very much for your helpful input, you have eased my mind
I wasn't taking fibre, there is a very small amount in the Splenda sachets I use tho.

Have you heard good results about pom juice and RRLT?