Atomic you have GOT to read what this lady at just mommies wrote regarding diet!!! LMAO

[mkarntz1980]

Hi all-

This board hasn't been very active lately and I can tell you one of the reasons why: It doesn't work. Gender swaying has a place in the scientific community, but let me tell you food has nothing to do with it. I will get into this more as I write.

DF and I are not TTC until about another year or so, but in the meantime we have been discussing plans and dreams and both decided that we would like a boy first. We have talked about just having one child but if we had a second we would try for a girl then. Of course I will love whomever decides to join our family, but might as well give it our best shot! This has led into extensive research and as a scientifically minded adult, I reason with the data and find what seems to be working best in the rest of the world.

First of all, the food you eat has nothing to do with what kind of child you will conceive. Maybe the more nutritious the food, the better, but gender is determined by genetic material not food. Instead of dieting, I am going to spend this time eating as healthy as I can to be as fertile as I can possibly be for TTC. Increasing folic acid and vitamins/minerals seems to be the best thing to do to make your womb a prime candidate for carrying life.

The most scientifically accurate info I can find is the timing of conception, because girls swim faster and live longer than boys as sperm. Time BD for girls 4-5 days before ovulation, and for boys 1-2 days before ovulation. It seems the most successful people are the ones who have a predictable cycle. Any success story I can find seems to be all about regulating and being able to predict your cycle and O day. Doing things like supplementing to lengthen luteal phase, and increasing fertility will naturally regulate your cycle.

Plus, I just know that dieting shouldn't be all about what gender you want. As a nutritionist I simply cannot back that up. Your body needs nutrients, just one example is the risk for osteoporosis. As women it is risky to lower calcium intake - we are supposed to be taking extra calcium between 20 and 30 years of age to lower that risk. I don't know about you, but I'd like to preserve my hips as long as possible. As a second example, pH is not something you should f*** around with. Cancer thrives in acidic environments and studies have shown the more alkaline foods you eat (spinach, apples, lemon water, etc) lowers your risk for cancer. There are plenty more examples of why you should choose a diet that is best for your body, and not what someone else tells you is good for you. I will not give up my health just to have a boy, and neither should you!

I have found no success story based on food alone. Let's create some success stories based upon timing and scientific material Who's with me?

[Cinss]

Sounds like she will end up with 2 boys ;)

[BeadinMom]

Her timing is wacked...even by Shettles theory... (he never said girl sperm were faster swimmers)
BUT, a lot of what she says is true AND it's a lot of what Atomic says, too. She is constantly discouraging people from worrying about the ph thing and will tell you that the acid base balance HAS to be in check or you can actually die.
The trivers willard theory is about maternal condition - NOT about what foods you eat. Good maternal condition (optimal nutrition) is good for creating boys. Poor condition (moms who are malnourished either temporarily by limiting food intake or overweight - either works, however it's much easier to gain rather than lose weight and that is why Atomic recommends LOSING over gaining) yields more girls.
I guess in a crazy round about way, this chick really is working on getting the boy she desires first and she doesn't even realize how or why. LOL.

[bythestream]

Totally agree, she will get her boy. On a side note it looks like you ovulated BeadinMom :bigsmile:

[BeadinMom]

Thanks bythe******!! I really hope so...now if we can get that little egg to that little sperm, everything in my world will be good!! LOL!! :fx: <--- that little guy makes me think of Richard Nixon. LOL!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

OOOh boy...Now the girl sperm are faster... PFFT! bahahaha :rofl:

Dr. Shettles is rolling over in his grave..not only that he was wrong, but that the opposite of his "findings" are the most recent research.

I'm SO glad I let go of the timing part of swaying..

[LacePrincess]

OOOh boy...Now the girl sperm are faster... PFFT! bahahaha :rofl:

Dr. Shettles is rolling over in his grave..not only that he was wrong, but that the opposite of his "findings" are the most recent research.

I'm SO glad I let go of the timing part of swaying..

No sh!t, eh? I can tell you with DS2 we tried Shettles girl timing for over a YEAR before realizing it didn't work. And that was after relaxing on cutoff all the way to O-2 and we still didn't get pregnant. And, we were using the CBFM which is more accurate than OPK's anyways.

Meh, who knows if all this diet stuff can be scientifically proven......but I did all the 'boost your fertility' stuff last two times TTC - lots of dairy, calcium, vitamins, B6, EPO, RRL, etc etc etc and I got my brood of little boys. So I figure what the heck, let's try something different for a change, LOL. Not really counting on it to get my bundle of pink (I'm a big believer that God/higher being/fate will give you what you're fated to get) but at least it's something different to try! And bone density/osteoporosis is about a whole lot more than not drinking/eating full fat dairy for a few months.

Looking forward to Atomic's response to this thread!

[mkarntz1980]

she never said what 3-4 days before O gets you

[LacePrincess]

she never said what 3-4 days before O gets you

It gets you lots of BFN's and AF, because it's really frakking hard to get pregnant that far out from ov! Besides, it's irrelevant anyways as the Shettles timing theory has been debunked in the past few years.

[Wishing4Princess]

:worry:Ok, I was really beginning to believe that timing was not a factor anymore. but still confused. I have friends who swore on timing swaying for them. in fact, one of my best friends told me try it w/ my second pregnancy, but I never did! I got both my boys, dtd on +opk. even though diet is totally different this time around, I am still afraid to let go of the timing factor?

[BeadinMom]

My DS3 is living proof timing does NOT matter ;) lol

[Butterfly Spirit]

I let that timing aspect go.. I knew I just had to.

I didn't DTD until my postive OPK and even after it... so I was VERY close to O with this one!

[BeadinMom]

I'm kicking myself in the butt for not dtd just one more day....I really wanted to BD on O day & I really thought I did! But FF looks like its going to put O a day later than I thought. I just hope me laying with my hips skyward for an hour did the trick. LOL

[Butterfly Spirit]

I'm kicking myself in the butt for not dtd just one more day....I really wanted to BD on O day & I really thought I did! But FF looks like its going to put O a day later than I thought. I just hope me laying with my hips skyward for an hour did the trick. LOL

For what it's worth.. I laid completely still after BDing almost an hour.. but got up to slip on my - ion bracelet ;)
then laid back down..all that time equaled an hour hehe
I HOPE this is your month Beadin! :HH:

[atomic sagebrush]

I hate reading things like that because I can't correct the entire Internet, I'm jsut one person LOL.

I SERIOUSLY doubt she's a nutritionist because she would have learned in school that the pH theory of diet and cancer is complete baloney. She almost sounds like she's selling something, to me.

I have 3 boys and a girl born against her timing advice and have always had a very regular cycle, so there ya go. ;)

[atomic sagebrush]

Her timing is wacked...even by Shettles theory... (he never said girl sperm were faster swimmers)
BUT, a lot of what she says is true AND it's a lot of what Atomic says, too. She is constantly discouraging people from worrying about the ph thing and will tell you that the acid base balance HAS to be in check or you can actually die.
The trivers willard theory is about maternal condition - NOT about what foods you eat. Good maternal condition (optimal nutrition) is good for creating boys. Poor condition (moms who are malnourished either temporarily by limiting food intake or overweight - either works, however it's much easier to gain rather than lose weight and that is why Atomic recommends LOSING over gaining) yields more girls.
I guess in a crazy round about way, this chick really is working on getting the boy she desires first and she doesn't even realize how or why. LOL.

Just to clarify, I don't exactly say that the acid-base balance has to be in balance or you'll die, it's that your body itself always keeps your body pH balanced and the only time it ever goes out of balance is when there is something very seriously wrong with you. If it isn't fixed immediately, then you will die. Nothing you do via diet or lifestyle can change your body's pH, your body controls its own pH unless something has gone very much awry.

[atomic sagebrush]

she never said what 3-4 days before O gets you

that made me lol for reals!

[atomic sagebrush]

:worry:Ok, I was really beginning to believe that timing was not a factor anymore. but still confused. I have friends who swore on timing swaying for them. in fact, one of my best friends told me try it w/ my second pregnancy, but I never did! I got both my boys, dtd on +opk. even though diet is totally different this time around, I am still afraid to let go of the timing factor?

That's why posts liek this make my hair go gray because it makes people worry and question their sway. I PROMISE i got 3 of my 4 boys 2-3 days or even more before O (that DS 1 was as stubborn as a sperm as he has been for the last 21 years LOl) and then Suzy was late at night the day before I Oed (pos. OPK.)

[The Anchor]

Sounds like she will end up with 2 boys ;)

:agree:;)

[Wishing4Princess]

So just for clarification purposes (I know, call me stupid) what might a cut off do? and how MIGHT it sway girl?? is it b/c sperm count is lowered, by waiting around for the egg, most will die off, before they meet the egg? is it really true that girl sperm is slower and lives longer? ugh, I don't know why it's so hard for me to let go of the timing factor:(

[atomic sagebrush]

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion-ttc-boy-girl-home-swaying-info/7691-trouble-timing.html

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/science-behind-gender-swaying/1562-what-real-differences-between-x-sperm-y-sperm.html

[NCBeachyGrl]

She'll find her way to GD after 2 or 3 boys :) We foolishly put stock in IG ways...she just hasn't found the light yet!

[LacePrincess]

That's why posts liek this make my hair go gray because it makes people worry and question their sway. I PROMISE i got 3 of my 4 boys 2-3 days or even more before O (that DS 1 was as stubborn as a sperm as he has been for the last 21 years LOl) and then Suzy was late at night the day before I Oed (pos. OPK.)

Omg, ROTFLMAO, seriously. I just had the mental image of an extremely determined little tadpole swimming along, maybe carrying a sword or something for good measure....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[RedCanoe]

I SERIOUSLY doubt she's a nutritionist because she would have learned in school that the pH theory of diet and cancer is complete baloney.

As part of a class I was in last year they had a nutritionist come in to speak to us, and all she went on about was the pH theory of diet and cancer! I had never heard of it before, but it sounded a little hokey to me, so I looked into it afterwards and the most reliable info I could find said what you're saying, that your body keeps pH balanced and diet can't affect it... so sadly, she could well be a nutritionist and just spreading misinformation like that guest speaker in my class!

[BeadinMom]

Oops...so sorry I misspoke!
It was early and I hadn't had my coffee yet ;) (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!! lol)

Personally, I think she was speaking against the IG way of swaying...unfortunately, she was also kinda wrong when she spouted the Shettles junk. LOL
Someone should send her HERE!!

[atomic sagebrush]

As part of a class I was in last year they had a nutritionist come in to speak to us, and all she went on about was the pH theory of diet and cancer! I had never heard of it before, but it sounded a little hokey to me, so I looked into it afterwards and the most reliable info I could find said what you're saying, that your body keeps pH balanced and diet can't affect it... so sadly, she could well be a nutritionist and just spreading misinformation like that guest speaker in my class!

WOW!!! I'm in shock. Bummer!

[atomic sagebrush]

So just for clarification purposes (I know, call me stupid) what might a cut off do? and how MIGHT it sway girl?? is it b/c sperm count is lowered, by waiting around for the egg, most will die off, before they meet the egg? is it really true that girl sperm is slower and lives longer? ugh, I don't know why it's so hard for me to let go of the timing factor:(

Those links I posted above on this page explain it, I'm sorry that this post ended up separated from the links

[atomic sagebrush]

Oops...so sorry I misspoke!
It was early and I hadn't had my coffee yet ;) (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!! lol)

Personally, I think she was speaking against the IG way of swaying...unfortunately, she was also kinda wrong when she spouted the Shettles junk. LOL
Someone should send her HERE!!

Oh, no worries at all, I just like to be mind-numbingly clear LOL

[mkarntz1980]

wishing on a princess.....i have boy boy girl boy girl. i got my first 3, 1st girl included ( i didnt know about swaying) with BD'ing once i got a +opk only 3 days in a row. got my next child another boy with preseed im sure, and i did the opk thing. my swayed girl i swayed HARD. what we did different is we did FR 16 days in a row.....maybe missed a day or 2. The day I got a + opk we did it that day and stopped. so i had maybe a 1 day cutoff so i dont really believe in timing. although i have never tried for cut offs

[miss_ickle]

Just to add...I know for sure I conceived DS2 4 days before O because there was a BD famine that month and we literally only did it the once :worry:. I was sure I would get my DD having read up on Shettles. But no, another lovely DS. Did, however, do fish oils, pre natals, super healthy diet and exercise 3-4 days per week with both and had gained a small amount of weight before conceiving both. So I totally prove your theory AS...no chance of a girl either time!! :)

xxx

[HopeandDreamG]

I couldn't even finish reading the post...so annoying. Even credible sites like baby center have all sorts of misinformation on them. Makes me cringe!

[lena]

Ds2 is another that proves timing/cutoff doesn't work. I did a 3.5 day cut off and he is very much a boy not the girl I wanted. Yet I changed my diet etc while ttcing #3 and finally got my girl. I bd all the way through with her.

[atomic sagebrush]

I couldn't even finish reading the post...so annoying. Even credible sites like baby center have all sorts of misinformation on them. Makes me cringe!

Some days it really feels like rolling a boulder up a hill!! I wake up and realize I'm back down at the bottom again LOL! :) At least I have very pleasant company while I push :heart: