Complete pink swaying statistics spreadsheet

[atomic sagebrush]

Have him wean off the one that you like the least.

[rainbowflower]

girl stats updated

[Rmarie]

Wow Vitex has really dropped. Is it because not many people are using it or it's getting opposite results?

[myurkanin817]

I'd like to know too. :think:



Wow Vitex has really dropped. Is it because not many people are using it or it's getting opposite results?

[Christi]

I was playing around with a downloaded version of the spreadsheet and it looks like some of the statistics/formulas may be calculating incorrectly. For example, I was looking at the statistics on the people who paid for personalized plans and the online version says that there were a total of 28 sways, but only 21 pink results. In actuality, there were 28 sways and 23 pink results. As such, the success rate of atomic's personal plans is higher than it shows in the spreadsheet. Just thought I would point that out. I know you said that the statistics don't update automatically, so it is possible that new sways were added after you updated it, which accounts for the discrepancy. But I thought it was worth mentioning.

[Drunken Cockatoo]

Hm I've remember atomic saying that aside from that she has totally different numbers on personalized plans. A much higher number and success rates around 65% to 70%? Sorry if I'm writing nonsense

Also one question: is everyone included in exercise who did it a bit or only those who did it for 60min at least 5 days a week? Because some write in their sways that they excercised 3 or 4 times a week or went for a walk a lot or chased their boys around lol

[LilithWiser1979]

Yes, women who exercised at all are included in the exercise stats. So women who got in 3-4 days are in there. Atomic doesn't want to exclude them from the stats because that's cherry-picking the results. If you think about it, it makes sense. So do we drill everyone to make sure they did exactly 60 minutes, no less? Do they get excluded if they got sick and had to take 4-5 days off but otherwise had 6 days a week for 12 weeks? What about the successful woman who never exercised in the 2ww, but otherwise worked out as prescribed? Or the women who accidentally got in some weight training?

I mean, I was irritated at first because I want "pure" results, but this is an internet poll, essentially, not a scientific study. We don't have observers verifying that everyone did everything they claimed exactly like they should. As long as it's on an honor system and we want honest stats, I think it has to be this way.

I also like that it's not the hostile swaying environment that IG was. Everyone's supportive instead of pointing out everything someone did wrong if there was an opposite. If we cherry pick results, we become IG :(

[Rosie85]

I think maybe we could have more options. A few different slots for exercise where we can choose what kind and how much. I think even though we don't want a hostile environment it is beneficial to get actual results so atomic can help as many people as she can get their DG. Some of the categories are just too vague. I don't like the "other" category. If "other" has a high success rate I want to know what it is!!

[flowerlily]

Lol Rosie, I like your Marthaness!

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[Rosie85]

It's not martha for me if someone else is doing the work! haha

[Drunken Cockatoo]

LilithWiser it was just a question not a complaint. Didn't mean to step on your toes. Thank you for clarifying. Just wanted to interpret the data in the right way.

I also didn't want to suggest in any way that those who did less have to be excluded. I just wanted to know how it is handled here in the stats.

[LilithWiser1979]

Oh no, I'M sorry if that response came off as hostile! I only meant it as a defense for the lumping of all the exercise into one group. Atomic has explained it in the past, and avidly defends her methods of calculation and data collection in contrast to IG, and I support her in her efforts. That's all.

I think there has been some talk of more categories for calculation purposes, but the problem is that there are so many as it is, and it's becoming cumbersome. Someone would have to literally go through all the past sways that included exercise and separate out the strict exercisers from the looser ones. I guess now WOULD be the time to do it, if we were going to do it at all, since were at less than 40 total exercise pink swayers, though.

Then again, there's been talk of separating out baby aspirin from cranberry, which are currently lumped together, and aci-jel from replens. So far, no one really wants to wade through all the previous sways to calculate these, either.

[essnce629]

Then again, there's been talk of separating out baby aspirin from cranberry, which are currently lumped together, and aci-jel from replens. So far, no one really wants to wade through all the previous sways to calculate these, either.

I would definitely like to see aspirin and cranberry separated since I think most people are doing aspirin now. The same goes for Replens and Rephresh, especially since Atomic said they work differently. I also think there should be separate categories for peppermint and raspberry leaf tea since RRL tea is supposedly boy friendly since it increases fertility and has lots of beneficial nutrients. I've drank it and taken capsules of it for the entire length of both pregnancies.

[JG60611]

So the spreadsheet is updated but not the written out list on page 1? Just want to make sure im looking in the right place :)

On the ss antihistamines seem to have gotten a lot of boys...i hope that didnt kill it for me


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[Dreamsplanner]

Hello,

I noticed soy isoflavones was included in the results, what is it used for? Is it supposed to sway pink?

Thank you

[Drunken Cockatoo]

Lilith - no you didn't come around as hostile. Everything is okay. Just thought that I had expressed myself in the wrong way lol.

[JG60611]

What is "Through OV/pos OPK "? Is this BD frequently from AF to O and also just doing it once at pos. opk?

[rainbowflower]

Updated girl stats 1st June

[rainbowflower]

and apologies for the odd formatting this time around... not sure what happened there with my copy/paste (using new laptop)

[atomic sagebrush]

Wow Vitex has really dropped. Is it because not many people are using it or it's getting opposite results?

Sorry somehow I have never seen these last several responses. Please never hesitate to let me know if I am missing an important thread/post.

I think the vitex + too strict a diet is causing people's cycles to go so haywire that many people end up stopping O all together and having to practically sway blue to get it going again. I also think that there is a coincidence factor in that people who are superfertile are the ones able to get pregnant while taking it and it's those people more likely to get blue anyway, and it's also something that many people drop after a while so the gals who have been on diet the longest (and getting best results) are no longer taking the vitex.

I do still 110% believe it sways pink based on my overall observations and the biology of it, and I will continue recommending it. The stats are only one tool we have that tell us about what is working.

[atomic sagebrush]

What is "Through OV/pos OPK "? Is this BD frequently from AF to O and also just doing it once at pos. opk?

This is something I would like to see changed (but I totally understand that it is a huge project!!) These are really two totally different tactics and so I do not think that result is going to provide good info.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think maybe we could have more options. A few different slots for exercise where we can choose what kind and how much. I think even though we don't want a hostile environment it is beneficial to get actual results so atomic can help as many people as she can get their DG. Some of the categories are just too vague. I don't like the "other" category. If "other" has a high success rate I want to know what it is!!

I think that this is a pretty huge job and I hate asking anyone to do more than they alreday are.

I honestly don't put a huge amount of stock into the answers. I think we can see the strong trends from what we have, and if we start breaking it down too much, people begin to pore over the numbers seeing trends that are not there.

[atomic sagebrush]

I was playing around with a downloaded version of the spreadsheet and it looks like some of the statistics/formulas may be calculating incorrectly. For example, I was looking at the statistics on the people who paid for personalized plans and the online version says that there were a total of 28 sways, but only 21 pink results. In actuality, there were 28 sways and 23 pink results. As such, the success rate of atomic's personal plans is higher than it shows in the spreadsheet. Just thought I would point that out. I know you said that the statistics don't update automatically, so it is possible that new sways were added after you updated it, which accounts for the discrepancy. But I thought it was worth mentioning.

Some of the things we did not start tracking for awhile (so they have results in the spreadsheet but not in the updated version) Other things may have been added but not updated yet. This is done by volunteers free of charge and it is not going to be perfect, we aren't doing a scientific study here.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hm I've remember atomic saying that aside from that she has totally different numbers on personalized plans. A much higher number and success rates around 65% to 70%? Sorry if I'm writing nonsense

Also one question: is everyone included in exercise who did it a bit or only those who did it for 60min at least 5 days a week? Because some write in their sways that they excercised 3 or 4 times a week or went for a walk a lot or chased their boys around lol

I have done nearly 200 custom plans now and I am getting very similar results to what the overall stats of the site are. Most of them were before they started keeping track of them in the statistics. I've had a run of success iwth the custom plans the last several months but I do not want anyone to look at those and expect that kind of results. I want people to make decisions about swaying vs. HT based on the LOWEST expectation of success, not the highest.

I think it is best to look at the BIGGEST number and go off that, which will always be the overall stats of the site. That is a reasonable number and has stayed at about 65% for years now. Considering blue swayers are getting about 75% success, it indicates that it is reasonable for some of us to expect we are going from as much as 75% likely to have boys, to 65% likely to have a girl, which is HUGE.

[Sarah4girl]

Thank you for all this great info! Can I ask if there are any trends with swaying pink in the first month or two after coming off the contraceptive pill? Thanks

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, women who exercised at all are included in the exercise stats. So women who got in 3-4 days are in there. Atomic doesn't want to exclude them from the stats because that's cherry-picking the results. If you think about it, it makes sense. So do we drill everyone to make sure they did exactly 60 minutes, no less? Do they get excluded if they got sick and had to take 4-5 days off but otherwise had 6 days a week for 12 weeks? What about the successful woman who never exercised in the 2ww, but otherwise worked out as prescribed? Or the women who accidentally got in some weight training?

I mean, I was irritated at first because I want "pure" results, but this is an internet poll, essentially, not a scientific study. We don't have observers verifying that everyone did everything they claimed exactly like they should. As long as it's on an honor system and we want honest stats, I think it has to be this way.

I also like that it's not the hostile swaying environment that IG was. Everyone's supportive instead of pointing out everything someone did wrong if there was an opposite. If we cherry pick results, we become IG :(

Exactly. This is an Internet poll, not a scientific study. These results are almost for entertainment purposes only. If we were doing a scientific study we would be tracking only one of these variables at a time and controlling for everything else, and the groups of people would be chosen at random. The way people do sway tactics is that different people use different tactics based on their personal needs and individual circumstances, and so it's like comparing apples to oranges for some of this stuff. The groups of people doing various sway tactics do not come into swaying with the same fundamental odds of success so it's very difficult to pick out the trends. Example, some people literally CAN'T do 60 min. of exercise because they are too thin to start with. So they might do less exercise or no exercise, but could possibly have better odds of pink than someone who had a lot of muscle mass. The stats will never be able to tell us stuff like that and the more we try to make it happen, the more confusing it becomes.

Trust me though - when there is a strong trend, it becomes clear very fast. I think that the tendency is for people to take the sway stats too seriously and start looking at groups of 3 people (or even 30) and giving that way too much weight. I don't think anything is gained by breaking it down into smaller and smaller subsets of people looking for a "magic bullet" because it's NEVER going to exist.

[atomic sagebrush]

I would definitely like to see aspirin and cranberry separated since I think most people are doing aspirin now. The same goes for Replens and Rephresh, especially since Atomic said they work differently. I also think there should be separate categories for peppermint and raspberry leaf tea since RRL tea is supposedly boy friendly since it increases fertility and has lots of beneficial nutrients. I've drank it and taken capsules of it for the entire length of both pregnancies.

Anyone who wants to volunteer to go back through the old sways is more than welcome to coordinate with Rainbow and My to do that. Best if you are already pregnant to avoid any "Martha" stuff!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

So the spreadsheet is updated but not the written out list on page 1? Just want to make sure im looking in the right place :)

On the ss antihistamines seem to have gotten a lot of boys...i hope that didnt kill it for me


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Antihistamines do not sway blue. No way, no how. That is a quirk of statistics, meaning that the people who are the least affected by antihistamines are also the ones can get pg easily while taking them and also are prob. more predisposed to blue.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hello,

I noticed soy isoflavones was included in the results, what is it used for? Is it supposed to sway pink?

Thank you

It is used to induce ovulation and as a kind of "poor man's Clomid". In my signature below is a link to the Complete Index and it has a link to the soy essay.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you for all this great info! Can I ask if there are any trends with swaying pink in the first month or two after coming off the contraceptive pill? Thanks

yes I believe that sways pink, and I also believe that info is in the stats.

[atomic sagebrush]

Just wanted to say a HUGE thank you again to Rainbowflower for doing this.

[myurkanin817]

Thanks for the update!!!! Much appreciated! Quick question though. When in Pregnitude/myo inositol going to be added in?

[atomic sagebrush]

Anyone who would like to volunteer to help add in new info, that would be great. As it sits, I am highly reluctant to ask rainbow to take on anything else at this point since she is doing it all out of the goodness of her heart as a volunteer. :) I think you guys should wait till you're pregnant to do it though.

[blueeyedguys]

What about not pregnant, not planning to TTC for a few months?

I'm not sure I'll have time/energy, but if I do, coud I just let Rainbow know whatever I work out or do I need to arrange it in advance?

[Drunken Cockatoo]

Thank you very much, rainbowflower !!!

[atomic sagebrush]

What about not pregnant, not planning to TTC for a few months?

I'm not sure I'll have time/energy, but if I do, coud I just let Rainbow know whatever I work out or do I need to arrange it in advance?

It makes sense to me to coordinate with her or others in this thread to avoid several people wasting time on the same data.

If you're not planning to TTC for like 4-6 months I think it would be fine but only if it didn't make you feel pressured or anything.

[atomic sagebrush]

does anyone have time to briefly compile a "wish list" of things that we might want someone to be able to go back and tally up?

I would love to see BD thru O and BD at pos OPK to be tallied separately.

[LilithWiser1979]

I'd love to see exercise 5+ days per week separate from less exercise, Pregnitude/myo-inositol, and cranberry separate from baby aspirin.

[Drunken Cockatoo]

Dito to everything that Lilith wrote

[rainbowflower]

Sorrt I've only just seen these ideas... happy to update the spreadsheet. Some things we may not have info about (I.e. who used cranberry opposed to aspirin) due to sways being deleted, etc, but have thought of a work around

So proposed changes :
Bd at pos opk and confirmed ov day
Exercise days per week
Exercise session lengths?
Caffeine intake
Sugar intake
Self-rated sway strength (strict/lite/moderate)
Pregnitude thingy

Anything else?


I'd love to see exercise 5+ days per week separate from less exercise, Pregnitude/myo-inositol, and cranberry separate from baby aspirin.
Pregnitude/myoinositol are the same thing? This one's new to me

[CherryBlossom]

How long they were exercising prior to conceiving ?
Might be hard to get that though


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[atomic sagebrush]

How long they were exercising prior to conceiving ?
Might be hard to get that though


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Yep I think the ship has sailed on some of it.

[atomic sagebrush]

Sorrt I've only just seen these ideas... happy to update the spreadsheet. Some things we may not have info about (I.e. who used cranberry opposed to aspirin) due to sways being deleted, etc, but have thought of a work around

So proposed changes :
Bd at pos opk and confirmed ov day
Exercise days per week
Exercise session lengths?
Caffeine intake
Sugar intake
Self-rated sway strength (strict/lite/moderate)
Pregnitude thingy

Anything else?


Pregnitude/myoinositol are the same thing? This one's new to me

Yes pregnitude and myo are roughly the same, pregnitude has folic acid in it (which everyone should be taking anyway)

I REALLY REALLY want you to get help doing all this, my love. You're already taking so much onto yourself as it is and I don't want you to be taken advantage of doing more than you are comfy with. :heart:

My thought on caff and sugar is that we need to have it more specific - as in, how much on the caff and then sugar intake is kind of open for interpretation as well...thoughts???

[rainbowflower]

Atomic: I'm only going to be updating the spreadsheet and the formulae (already half-done), unfortunately the current spreadsheet is reaching the limits for allowed formulae so we will have to wait until that upgrade happens (supposedly sometime soon) before I can add any more, unless we go deleting some existing columns. I've not yet had a chance to look and see if this is possible.

Blueeyedguys has kindly volunteered to update based on the aspirin/cranberry info :)

Unfortunately I no longer own a laptop and limited to the times when I can borrow my mum's laptop, so I'll get there with the updates it might just take a while

[rainbowflower]

Just updated the spreadsheet as much as I can...

pregnitude is added
aspirin/cranberry are separated out (when the spreadsheet gets updated for previous sways this will show up)
sugar and caffeine are added BUT not enough formulaes to separate them out properly so currently it's just "any" or "none" (compared to "none", "some", "lots" which ideally we'd distinguish... you can still see what people will say, but not get the stats for them)
OV/Pos OPK are separated out too (also now needs the spreadsheet updating with old sways at some point)
I've added some exercise fields, BUT again not enough formulae space to get stats for those yet so you can look yourself

[bluebonnet22]

You are amazing rainbow flower!

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[Bigwish]

There is an error with the cranberry/asp. It says that only 3 conceived girl on it, but that's not correct. I count more, easily.

[atomic sagebrush]

There is an error with the cranberry/asp. It says that only 3 conceived girl on it, but that's not correct. I count more, easily.

I think the updated numbers will have to happen over time.

Thanks so much everyone who is chipping in to help and most especially rainbow!!!

[blueeyedguys]

Yeah, it's going to take awhile. I'm going back through every single sway to update. I'm also finding a few who weren't entered because they never updated their sway thread, but did post elsewhere whether they had a boy or a girl, so I'm updating those too as I go.

It takes time to go through the whole sway to find out the info, since I'm updating 2 fields & making notes for a couple others people mentioned. It takes even more time to track down if someone who isn't included ever posted what they had and then add them, but I've found at least 5 sways to add that way.

Rainbow has done an amazing job to make entering everything easy but, depending how much time I get to do it every day, it'll likely take a couple weeks at least to update all the past sways.

I'm having fun with it, but it is definitely a "Martha" thing to do.

[atomic sagebrush]

THANK YOU ladies so so so very much!!! you gals are rockstars!

[rainbowflower]

updated pink... just! including one or two of the new aspects requested
if we add many more rows it will fail to have enough formulaes available to do the updates! Hopefully they will upgrade soon...

[atomic sagebrush]

thank you!!

Now is probably not the time to mention I would LOVE to see the cal-mag broken down by whether husband took it, or wife. I think they're all lumped in together. Is there anyone (who isn't rainbow LOL) who might want to check into that?? even if we had to keep it outside the spreadsheet

[atomic sagebrush]

ok dumb question but, are these all the sways in the add your sway section or only people that filled out a certain form or what??

I sometimes get confused because people are messaging me with success after success and then when the stats are updated, they seem lower than what I had expected and I am just wondering if I need to express to people the importance of filling out a certain form to be included in the results??

[rainbowflower]

These were sways that were in the add your sway section a year ago or whenever I created this. Since then it's up to people to add their own but not everyone does. If you could encourage everyone to that would be great!

There are two cal+mag columns already, one for DW and one for DH. Or did you mean having calcium and magnesium separated too?

[atomic sagebrush]

These were sways that were in the add your sway section a year ago or whenever I created this. Since then it's up to people to add their own but not everyone does. If you could encourage everyone to that would be great!

There are two cal+mag columns already, one for DW and one for DH. Or did you mean having calcium and magnesium separated too?

When you say add their own, what do you mean exactly? I am having people do the add your sway section but is that not being added?? they have to actually add their numbers to the spreadsheet? (sorry for bothering you, I just realized that I really don't know how this is being tallied and I need to know what to tell people)

On the main page where it's tallied up, I see one section that is marked cal-mag, not broken down by husband and wife. IF anyone was bored LOL and could possibly break that down so people can see at a glance that would be awesome. I gather it is broken down in the spreadsheet proper but not everyone actually looks at that.

[rainbowflower]

To add the details themselves they have to enter it into the form (link in first post in here), it's too much work for someone to keep checking the add your sway section to make sure all are adeed here too. I think I've done it twice since but not regularly. If you could ask them to fill out the form that would be brill

The "cal+mag" column is for DW. If you scroll along there is one called "cal+mag for DH" too

[rainbowflower]

Actually apologies I was sure that was already there but I cant see it! Will investigate

[atomic sagebrush]

To add the details themselves they have to enter it into the form (link in first post in here), it's too much work for someone to keep checking the add your sway section to make sure all are adeed here too. I think I've done it twice since but not regularly. If you could ask them to fill out the form that would be brill

The "cal+mag" column is for DW. If you scroll along there is one called "cal+mag for DH" too

Ah so that makes more sense to me now. Thanks for clarifying that. Just want to mention I think our success rates are higher than what is shown in the numbers because we've gotten pretty darn good results the last few months

[coralsky]

I have just noticed that there is now more detail going into this, and I am wondering if someone is currently trawling through sways looking for extra details on amount/frequency of exercise....if so, I can add details of what I did here if helps?...

basically I stuck to the full 60min 6-7days for around 10months (mostly 7days, and often more like 70mins- it was hard, lol) and then nearly gave up ttc the month before bfp so had around 6days off from bfn the previous month to end of AF-ish (so maybe CD3-4) in the month before bfp, then picked it up again about a wk before O (on successful month)...

I have often wondered if that break may be one of the reasons why I have blue (although I try not to!) anyway, couldn't remember if I put all those details in my sway, so thought I'd type them out here, just in case it saves someone a job of trawling through my sway looking for it :)

[blueeyedguys]

That would be me who is currently trawling old sways. :) Thanks for the info!

I've actually found quite a few very old sway that were never entered, so I added them. Unfortunately, most were boys, which is why the total success numbers have gone down. I lost track, but I found around 15 sways, 4 or 5 girl, the rest boys. I also found a few duplicate sways, which rainbowflower has sorted out.

There were some newer sways not included (from around March) & the posters haven't been back since. I left them because they were due around now & I thought they might still do them.

Some stats are still going to be off since I've started to run into sways where the details were never posted or the user no longer exists (or never existed, if they used two completely different names for posting & adding to the spreadsheet).

I'm about halfway done going through the sways to break up cranberry/aspirin & OB/pos OPK, but if there's enough formulas left or if they can be recorded some other way, I can check for the cal/mag thing if needed.

[atomic sagebrush]

We had a run of bad luck at the start which I believe was down to a couple things which have now been rectified (probiotics, not long enough on diet, and having more than one attempt) It was still about 60% even at the very lowest point and has never been that low since then.

If you find people who you can't figure out, please let me know because I will probably remember who they were and can confirm their existence. at first we had so few users that we had to work with what we had.

[Rosie85]

I've been curious what ratio of success is comparing strict sways versus looser swayers. Like perhaps strict swayers have more 75 to 80% success and loose sways have 60 to 70 so it averages out or have we seen an equal amount of success across the board?? Does this even make any sense?? Haha

[atomic sagebrush]

It does make sense, but the trouble is that at the same time, the people who are the most dedicated and do those super strict sways are also oftentimes the "marthas" and/or end up going overboard, cutting back too far, and end up having to sway blue just in order to get pregnant at all. So it isn't as cut and dry as all that, unfortunately.

I really do believe that these numbers (which are great, don't get me wrong, there are a couple things we would still be doing wrong without them), we almost need to view as "for entertainment only" and not take them quite as seriously as people are taking them.

When a larger trend is at play, like with probiotics, exercise, longer on diet, and one attempt, or even that the jellies, antihistamine, herbs and frequency are not getting it done, it's OBVIOUS and it stays that way over the course of time without much fluctuating. I feel like i"m seeing too much focus on things with 63 vs. 66% success rate and things that have like 2 people doing them.

[blueeyedguys]

I have to agree with Atomic. I have to at leas skim through all the sways to find the info & it seems like the strictest swayers have quite often ended up with boys. I haven't really paid attention to see how many cut back because it was too hard & how many managed to keep it up, but it does seem to be a trend.

There's also several girls from "I was planning to sway next month"

Atomic, when I've gone through all the ones I can find, I'll send you a list of the ones I couldn't. There's currently 7 or 8, I believe. I made a list.

[atomic sagebrush]

I agree re the strict vs. lax but in addition the the Mary-Martha factor there's also fertility to be considered...getting pregnant with a strict sway may simply be impossible for most people and those that are able to do it are super duper fertile and able to "shake off" sway tactics. I think those who are very very fertile are more set for blue and this also messes with the numbers.

THere is a small handful of strict swayers who really were willing to go on swaying to the brink of insanity for months without relaxing and they did get girls.

But yes also agree about the number of "I was about to sway but got pregnant"...now I'm not always sure I 100% believe these people, I think at least some of them actually did sway and are trying to protect their emotions while others had probably started to make some changes even if subconsciously

[atomic sagebrush]

i did a writeup of my thoughts on the statistics threads here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/43555-thoughts-stats.html#post601151 it's a great place to post questions, comments, concerns about the stats if you have them - I would like to have all the q's and answers in one tidy thread so I can then post it when people begin questioning me about the stats so please post questions.

[plogo]

Hello I've just discovered swaying and this forum - wow, a lot of great information to take in!
I've found your statistics spreadsheet extremely interesting but was wondering if there isn't perhaps a page that goes along with it that briefly describes each entry (i.e. Cranberry/aspirin, RepHresh/Replens, Lemon/vinegar douche etc...) - as in "Cranberry Juice X 2 / daily).

[atomic sagebrush]

in my signature below here is a link to the Complete Index which has subjects in alphatical order

[atomic sagebrush]

I just wanted to let everyone know, that we've had some volunteers kindly entering some sways that hadn't been entered in the spreadsheet and hopefully when the stats are next updated, they will be current with more results. :)

[RunningForDreams]

I love seeing things in numbers and I love statistics in general. So what to think about the promising numbers of alcohol? Wine had 19 successes of 25 or something like that. I also know lot of women enjoying their wine having girls.. Wonder what kind of amounts are we talking here..

Other observation: Skipping breakfast invert, 52 % success only. Is this indicating skipping breakfast is one of the main influences here? Or are people who don't bother skipping breakfast also doing overall relaxed sways? Or are people not skipping breakfast perhaps doing more the ig style swaying? Of course i wonder this as skipping breakie will be hard for me �� exercise invert is also low, 57%.

Breastfeeding looks promising and makes me wonder should I use the possibility as I am still bfing my ds2. I assume these people can't even do the strictest sway as can't have so much supplements and need eating good amount of calories to keep the milk healthy for the bubs.. And still 70% success.. Anyway, really good work here rainbow and love the speculations as well ��

[RunningForDreams]

Sorry my mistake, exercise inverse 59, not 57. I wrote that trying to keep the numbers in my memory..

[atomic sagebrush]

I love seeing things in numbers and I love statistics in general. So what to think about the promising numbers of alcohol? Wine had 19 successes of 25 or something like that. I also know lot of women enjoying their wine having girls.. Wonder what kind of amounts are we talking here..

Other observation: Skipping breakfast invert, 52 % success only. Is this indicating skipping breakfast is one of the main influences here? Or are people who don't bother skipping breakfast also doing overall relaxed sways? Or are people not skipping breakfast perhaps doing more the ig style swaying? Of course i wonder this as skipping breakie will be hard for me �� exercise invert is also low, 57%.

Breastfeeding looks promising and makes me wonder should I use the possibility as I am still bfing my ds2. I assume these people can't even do the strictest sway as can't have so much supplements and need eating good amount of calories to keep the milk healthy for the bubs.. And still 70% success.. Anyway, really good work here rainbow and love the speculations as well ��

Statistics are cool but again, please treat these numbers almost as "entertainment" and not take TOO seriously. Please read my analysis here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/43555-thoughts-stats.html

Re alcohol, I have said for some years that I believe alcohol to be a good pink sway tactic and I believe it helped with my successful sway. Regarding amount, I'm not sure we can pin it down to a "dose" because that will be different for everyone. A person who is 4-11 and 95 lbs should not be drinking the same amount as someone who is 5-10 and 150, even though their BMI is identical. For my part I had 1-4 light beers pretty regularly.

I can't answer your question on the whys and wherefores of people skipping breakfast. there is simply no way to know and it is probably multifactorial - perhaps one person had to be sharp for work, maybe another was more relaxed on diet, etc.

Exercise I believe is an excellent pink sway and strongly recommend including it if you can.

RE breastfeeding, I also believe that to be a good pink sway tactic. Much better than the herbs and I'd feel fine about skipping out on the herbs in favor of continuing with nursing a bit longer.

[atomic sagebrush]

Sorry my mistake, exercise inverse 59, not 57. I wrote that trying to keep the numbers in my memory..

no worries, it goes up and down by the month and you have to look at the overall trends and not get too hung up on the specific numbers. :)

[RunningForDreams]

I know, it's my marthaness focusing on numbers and accuracy! Lol, I probably have no hope :giggle:

[essnce629]

Why is 6bluewant1pink in there 3 times with the exact same sway? I think it's a mistake.

[essnce629]

So it looks like the statistics spreadsheet was updated on August 1st, but the stats on the first page of this post were not. It still says "Current results (accurate as of 1st July 2014)." So you have to click on the spreadsheet link and not look at the stats on the first page to see the most current results.

[eleena2014]

just a suggestion? maybe it would be a good idea to add for people doing the le diet if they cut down on meat or went vegetarian?

[essnce629]

just a suggestion? maybe it would be a good idea to add for people doing the le diet if they cut down on meat or went vegetarian?

I think this is already suggested. Most of us on the LE diet, if not going vegetarian, are definitely avoiding red meat, healthy fish like salmon, and decreasing our meat intake. With the LE limits for protein being just 40-50g you really can't eat much meat on the diet. I only eat two meals a day with my lunch always being vegetarian and then for dinner I can only "afford" to have about a 4oz serving of meat (usually chicken) if I want to stay within my protein limits. I don't eat eggs, so no extra protein there either, and I'm also avoiding nuts to stay within the limits. I've been on the diet for 6 months now so I don't think I could be vegetarian that long and was already having iron issues and had to add in an iron supplement.

Plus I think it's more than just being vegetarian that sways. All the vegetarians I know have all boys, but that's also probably because they're really healthy, take a lot of supplements, etc. Even if vegetarian you still need to stay within the LE limits.

[rainbowflower]

Updated, sorry about the delay. I've just split up from my husband so not had a chance to get to a laptop to do it.

I've had to remove the inverses so I could calculate all the normal % until the spreadsheet gets converted to the new format

[atomic sagebrush]

Why is 6bluewant1pink in there 3 times with the exact same sway? I think it's a mistake.

I think we're going to have to not be overly nitpicky, there are going to be some mistakes in there and I think rainbow compensates for them when she tallies them. Rome wasn't built in a day and certainly not by kindly volunteers. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Ladies, these numbers are what they are. They are not perfect, will never be perfect, the more we break down things into tinier and tinier categories the numbers grow less helpful, and as I've mentioned before when something is swaying hard it will become apparent. Can we PLEASE just let it go for a bit as it is without requesting anything else be added or fixed?? Rainbow has done a great service for all of us and we all very much appreciate the time and effort and trouble she's put into all this.

[atomic sagebrush]

Updated, sorry about the delay. I've just split up from my husband so not had a chance to get to a laptop to do it.

I've had to remove the inverses so I could calculate all the normal % until the spreadsheet gets converted to the new format

I am so sorry to hear that, please let us know how we can be of help.

[jmomof3girls]

Ladies, these numbers are what they are. They are not perfect, will never be perfect, the more we break down things into tinier and tinier categories the numbers grow less helpful, and as I've mentioned before when something is swaying hard it will become apparent. Can we PLEASE just let it go for a bit as it is without requesting anything else be added or fixed?? Rainbow has done a great service for all of us and we all very much appreciate the time and effort and trouble she's put into all this.

This is true. I helped out and found about 27 boy sways that people hadn't entered and it was very time consuming. She has put a lot of effort into this.

[Christi]

Rainbow flower, I am so sorry to hear about the split--you are a saint for even messing with the spreadsheet at all given what you are going through!! Thank you a million times over and I wish you all the best as you adjust to this next chapter in your life.

[rainbowflower]

updated pink stats

[mommymachine]

Thanks again! Wonderful work!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much rainbow!!!

[rainbowflower]

updated pink stats

[bluebonnet22]

You're amazing rainbow!

[atomic sagebrush]

thank you so very much rainbow! :heart:

[jmomof3girls]

Bump!!

[rainbowflower]

updated pink 1st Nov

[rainbowflower]

I've added back a column for Cal+Mag for DH. I'm SURE we used to have one! Is there any way of seeing the revision history for the first post to see if I once posted a stat for it?

[RunningForDreams]

Thank you rainbow!

Exercise is going down quite rapidly. I remember first time I looked at these stats a couple of months ago it was up to 82%.

[atomic sagebrush]

I've added back a column for Cal+Mag for DH. I'm SURE we used to have one! Is there any way of seeing the revision history for the first post to see if I once posted a stat for it?

thank you so very much rainbow!

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you rainbow!

Exercise is going down quite rapidly. I remember first time I looked at these stats a couple of months ago it was up to 82%.

Please do not read anything into monthly fluctuations, you have to look at the overall patterns and exercise is a GREAT sway tactic that has gotten outstanding results for us for the past 3 years.

[atomic sagebrush]

Reminder, you guys have to update your info in the spreadsheet in order to be included in the results. Once again I am finding that tons of people are hearing pink and yet the numbers are not seeming to reflect that.

[nuthinbutpink]

If you give me usernames, I will contact them atomic.

[atomic sagebrush]

kashi is one that pops into my head right off the bat

[jmomof3girls]

I can always help enter the sways again it you want! It will give me something to keep busy!

[blueeyedguys]

I still have all the tabs open on my browser to enter sways from earlier this year that haven't been entered, but I've been doing other stuff lately. Let me know if I can help.

[atomic sagebrush]

I always appreciate any help I can get - best case scenario would be for each individual to enter their own info! :)

[maidentomother]

Thank you rainbow!

Exercise is going down quite rapidly. I remember first time I looked at these stats a couple of months ago it was up to 82%.

I think that's bc initially, almost if not all the exerciseers were doing strict cardio at least 60 min 6+ days a week, but more recently there have been several ladies who were only exercising 4 days or less per week, exercising for only 30-45 min, or doing weights/strength building exercise as well, or exercised for less than 6 weeks before conception, or a combination of these. And those exercisers are definitely less successful than the hardcore ones, though even hardcore exsecisers get opposites sometimes.

My point - do the exercise all out and for 12 weeks before TTC!

[Linzshine32]

Do we enter in info once we find out the gender? And where? I know that I filled out my sway and posted that but obviously i'm too early to find out gender as i'm only 6+ weeks! Don't want to hold out!

[nuthinbutpink]

Do we enter in info once we find out the gender? And where? I know that I filled out my sway and posted that but obviously i'm too early to find out gender as i'm only 6+ weeks! Don't want to hold out!

When you know, go to the first post of this thread where the link to the results are and look above that! It says right there what to do!

[atomic sagebrush]

I think that's bc initially, almost if not all the exerciseers were doing strict cardio at least 60 min 6+ days a week, but more recently there have been several ladies who were only exercising 4 days or less per week, exercising for only 30-45 min, or doing weights/strength building exercise as well, or exercised for less than 6 weeks before conception, or a combination of these. And those exercisers are definitely less successful than the hardcore ones, though even hardcore exsecisers get opposites sometimes.

My point - do the exercise all out and for 12 weeks before TTC!

Great point. :agree: there have been several people who did a lot less exercise than I would have preferred.

[rainbowflower]

updated pink stats 1st Dec!

[rainbowflower]

I've had a good think and if entering TBC sways would be what people wanted, so it's easier to update the colour once people know what they're having, I can think of a way we can do that. But it would mean a few hours of work to change a lot of the calculations, plus only limited people would be able to do the updates once colour is confirmed... can do this if people really want it, though

[covered in blue]

Thank you rainbow :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I like it the way it is, thinks it cuts down on confusion! Thanks for updating. :)

[hanseer]

Thank you for updating the stats, it's great to see the results!

Curious -- it seems as though CAL+MAG is working really well (~70% success), is there a reason it's no longer recommended?

[atomic sagebrush]

The cal mag is a red herring. I do not believe it works, taking high doses of calcium may cause heart disease, and the results are not indicative of the other things I have seen such as on Ingender where people were not doing diet, just taking cal mag and getting boy after boy doing that. I have a full explanation in the earlier pages of this thread and I have a full explanation of why the stats are not really the "end all, be all" here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/43555-thoughts-stats.html

I will never ever recommend cal-mag until I see convincing science on it. Biologially, the reasoning it is supposed to work is nonsense and it's biologically impossible that it works the way that they claim. The success of cal-mag, like that of "ions" is simply a trick of statistics because they do not inhibit conception and thus people leave them in their sways longer - and longer on diet = more girls conceived.

[rainbowflower]

updated pink stats
Happy New Year everyone! Hope 2015 brings you pink swayers many pink bundles

[rainbowflower]

The cal mag is a red herring. I do not believe it works, taking high doses of calcium may cause heart disease, and the results are not indicative of the other things I have seen such as on Ingender where people were not doing diet, just taking cal mag and getting boy after boy doing that. I have a full explanation in the earlier pages of this thread and I have a full explanation of why the stats are not really the "end all, be all" here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/43555-thoughts-stats.html

I will never ever recommend cal-mag until I see convincing science on it. Biologially, the reasoning it is supposed to work is nonsense and it's biologically impossible that it works the way that they claim. The success of cal-mag, like that of "ions" is simply a trick of statistics because they do not inhibit conception and thus people leave them in their sways longer - and longer on diet = more girls conceived.

from what I read (ages ago), magnesium without calcium may actually sway pink... because it lowers androgens in the blood, also raising progesterone slightly

[atomic sagebrush]

neither of those things has ever been proven to sway, though. the only reason mag was ever recommended was to "help calcium work better"

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks for updating stats!!!

[rainbowflower]

updated girl stats

[atomic sagebrush]

THANK YOU so very much!

WOW look at every 4 days go! :cheer:

[Dreaming_blue_and_pink]

Deleted post.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think so but I don't know how, if you message me I can have someone do it for us. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

PS - gosh what a darling avatar!

[kitkat18]

Rainbowflower, My sway seems to be missing from the results. I'm pretty sure I updated my sway but I'm not mega tech savvy X

[BabyGirl2013]

These stats are so interesting. Looking through them is easing my anxiousness as I wait for my "Fetal DNA" blood test results :)

I did notice that "Coffepot"s stats were inputted three times and she had an opposite so it might be bringing down the stats a bit.

Also, I was curious...how often do people drop off the site before reporting gender? I'm assuming people who had success are more likely to report back and those who get an opposite may not return to the site. Do you feel like the stats are pretty representative as a whole? Or skewed a bit due to people not reporting an opposite?

Thanks for all the work that has gone into this!

[HealthyGirl]

Where is this new updated spreadsheet at ?
Bc I went and looked at the old one and nothing about it has changed.


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[maidentomother]

Kit, the stats are in the very first post, not the spreadsheet.

[HealthyGirl]

Under frequency there is CFR.
What does that stand for?


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[maidentomother]

Compressed FR, where DH releases on his own multiple times in a short period of time (the shorter the better) all on the same day, then you use the 3rd or 4th 'batch' to BD. I think there is a fair deal of variation in how different men do it, based on age & capability. It definitely lowers both sperm count and seminal volume dramatically if you do it right. This sways pink but also lowers odds of conception.

[HealthyGirl]

Thanks maidentomother.

So are these results from the old results from the spreadsheet just broken down in a different way?



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[atomic sagebrush]

Under frequency there is CFR.
What does that stand for?


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In depth analysis of stats in this thread http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/43555-thoughts-stats.html

I am going to issue my standard warning about poring over the stats looking for a magic bullet. The frequency patterns are not working. One attempt IS working. The only reason why CFR looks like it gets good results is coincidence and because it's a small sample size - since it's almost always done with one attempt, and the sample size is so small, one lucky sway has tilted the odds to make it look more effective than it really is.

When you have a Custom Sway Plan, I advise the tactics that I believe are the best for you. I think that when you start going over the sway stats looking for a magic bullet, it causes your testosterone (or whatever it is that sways blue for us boy moms via personality) to go through the roof and you REALLY undermine your sway. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/33517-maternal-dominance-hypothesis-priviledged-daughter-hypothesis.htmlI promise that I do my best to get the most people their desired gender in the safest way possible and without taking forever to TTC.

Please read the following for further discussion of the magic bullet idea http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/25293-three-essays-swaying.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks maidentomother.

So are these results from the old results from the spreadsheet just broken down in a different way?



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They are tallied up in a way that makes them easier to compare.

[Princess Mom]

I'm not sure what type of fiber to buy? I rather do capsules, is there a certain brand that's recommend. I'm in United States, how far in advanced should it be taken, I need to lose 35 pounds before ttc so might start tryin June or July.
Thanks

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't recommend brands to people because then it becomes this treasure hunt over what brands to get. Whatever kind is available in your area that does not have added herbs or nutrients in it is fine.

I'd start using it right away as long as you're not breastfeeding.

[Princess Mom]

Thanks! I'll pick some up tomorrow

[maidentomother]

I like ground psyllium husks. I mix it with water.

[missxo143]

Updated my sway :)

[atomic sagebrush]

when someone has a chance, dreaming_blue_and_pink wants to change her time of attempt from pos OPK to 4 days before ovulation.

[rainbowflower]

updated pink stats

[kellbell827]

What is LR?

[eleena2014]

Licorice root

[atomic sagebrush]

info on LR here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-a-girl-best-practices/7108-saw-palmetto-peppermint-tea-licorice-root-depth-how.html

[rainbowflower]

updated pink stats

[atomic sagebrush]

bumping, new results added!

[Dreaming_blue_and_pink]

Deleted post.

[Ugee]

Added mine just now :)

[Dutchgirl]

Cool, mine's on! :bigsmile:

[nuthinbutpink]

Not sure how we handle this but purple giraffe emailed me. She had a girl last September. She used the personalized plan service.

[atomic sagebrush]

Could someone change my "cut off days" from POS OPK to 4-5 days?

I ~think~ you can go in and change it yourself, otherwise we'll have to wait till she gets to updating it.

[blueeyedguys]

You have to be allowed to edit to change something. I can, and have, fixed dreaming_blue_and_pink's entry.

[Dreaming_blue_and_pink]

Deleted post.

[atomic sagebrush]

thank you so very much!!

[atomic sagebrush]

We need to clarify that "every 4 days" as listed in these stats is NOT every 4 day method but having husband release every 4 days (regular release). We need to call these two different things because people are getting confused.

I do not even think we HAVE any appreciable results on every 4 day method yet, do we??? IT's so new I seriously doubt there are that many people who have even gotten pg on it, let alone found out gender.

[essnce629]

Have the results been updated for June? Did you say Rainbow was having a baby soon?

[atomic sagebrush]

They haven't been updated for 2 months - she is due any time now and I don't want to harrass her.

I am not sure, does anyone know how difficult it would be for someone else to update them?? I'd love to have a tally, I feel like we had a lot of success the last couple months.

[blueeyedguys]

I *think* it's more time consuming than anything.

I'll try to remember to take a look tomorrow when I'm at my computer. I'm having major memory issues, so I can't guarantee anything, but I'll try.

[atomic sagebrush]

ARe you ok??? Do you think it is related to swaying??? (low blood sugar) If so, add in a 4th meal stat!

[blueeyedguys]

I think it's related to the dr. lowering my thyroid dose, tbh. She doesn't seem to get that T3 meds like NDT suppress TSH and that's perfectly ok. Despite still having major symptoms, she keeps insisting I drop the dose and then get re-tested. I'm feeling terrible in general, the memory thing is just the most annoying right now.

ETA: It looks like it would be fairly easy to update the stats. Rainbow has done an amazing job with the spreadsheet to make it easy. I managed to forget to look for most of today so I need to get to bed now, but I can work on making a list of everything tomorrow. If I post it here, one of the mods could update the first post with it? Not sure how long it will take me what with homeschooling kids and stuff, but hopefully won't take too long.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes I can absolutely can do that!

I totally understand about working around homeschooling!! :p

I hope you're feeling better very soon, it sucks when the doctors will not work with you. ((((hugs))))

[blueeyedguys]

Thanks, I hope I'm feeling better soon too! :)

Hopefully I haven't missed anything. I c&ped Rainbow's list and then searched for everything and changed the appropriate numbers. So, here's the updated stats, if someone want to copy them into the first post. I have to say, the amount of change on some of them was interesting.

Total sways: 349
Total pink: 227
Success %: 65.04% success

TTC CYCLES
Success, cycles= 3.0226
Opposites, cycles= 2.7167

MULTIPLES
Total multiples= 10

PERSONALISED PLAN
Total sways: 89
Total success: 54
Success %: 60.67
Inverse success %: 0

VITEX
Total sways: 116
Total success: 62
Success %: 53.45
Inverse success %: 0

SAW PALMETTO
Total sways: 81
Total success: 47
Success %: 58.02
Inverse success %: 0

ANTIHISTAMINES
Total sways: 166
Total success: 96
Success %: 57.83
Inverse success %: 0

CRANBERRY OR ASPIRIN
Total sways: 192
Total success: 122
Success %: 63.54
Inverse success %: 0

CRANBERRY (specifically)
Total sways: 42
Total success: 25
Success %: 59.52

ASPIRIN (specifically)
Total sways: 115
Total success: 74
Success %: 64.35

REPLENS/REPHRESH
Total sways: 120
Total success: 76
Success %: 63.33
Inverse success %: 0

LIME/DOUCHE
Total sways: 20
Total success: 14
Success %: 70
Inverse success %: 0

JUMP & DUMP
Total sways: 128
Total success: 73
Success %: 57.03
Inverse success %: 0

CAL+MAG
Total sways: 77
Total success: 52
Success %: 67.53
Inverse success %: 0

PREGNITUDE
Total sways: 6
Total success: 5
Success %: 83.33% success
Inverse success %: 0

LIQ. ROOT for DH
Total sways: 87
Total success: 55
Success %: 63.22
Inverse success %: 0

CLOMID
Total sways: 43
Total success: 33
Success %: 76.74
Inverse success %: 0

SOY ISOFLAVONES
Total sways: 17
Total success: 10
Success %: 58.82
Inverse success %: 0

CRANBERRY/ASPIRIN for DH
Total sways: 106
Total success: 69
Success %: 65.09
Inverse success %: 0

CAFFEINE (needs separating out)
Total sways (Some and Lots): 43
Total success: 78
Success %: 55.13% success
Inverse success %: 0

SUGAR
Total sways (Some and Lots): 76
Total success: 43
Success %: 56.58% success
Inverse success %:

SUGAR - none 39
Success % 51.28
SUGAR - some 63
Success % 57.14
SUGAR - lots 13
Success % 53.85

IONS
Total sways: 168
Total success: 112
Success %: 66.67
Inverse success %: 0

NEW MOON
Total sways: 75
Total success: 50
Success %: 66.67
Inverse success %: 0

CHINESE GENDER CALENDAR
Total sways: 65
Total success: 40
Success %: 61.54
Inverse success %: 0

OLD WIVES TALES
Total sways: 126
Total success: 77
Success %: 61.11
Inverse success %: 0

ACIDPHIOUS
Total sways: 37
Total success: 16
Success %: 43.24
Inverse success %: 0

FERTILITY CHARM/SPELL
Total sways: 12
Total success: 5
Success %: 41.67
Inverse success %: 0

FIBRE
Total sways: 105
Total success: 64
Success %: 60.95
Inverse success %: 0

ACIGEL/SYLK
Total sways: 77
Total success: 48
Success %: 62.34
Inverse success %: 0

SKIPPING BREAKFAST
Total sways: 245
Total success: 153
Success %: 62.45
Inverse success %: 0

EXERCISE
Total sways: 79
Total success: 57
Success %: 72.15
Inverse success %: 0

FIRST CYCLE AFTER MC
Total sways: 19
Total success: 14
Success %: 73.68
Inverse success %: 0

BREASTFEEDING
Total sways: 40
Total success: 26
Success %: 65
Inverse success %: 0

BIRTH CONTROL PILL
Total sways: 12
Total success: 5
Success %: 41.67
Inverse success %: 0

LEFT-SLEEPER
Total sways: 68
Total success: 41
Success %: 60.29
Inverse success %: 0

RASPBERRY/PEPPERMINT TEA
Total sways: 48
Total success: 32
Success %: 66.67
Inverse success %: 0

OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT for DH
Total sways: 36
Total success: 24
Success %: 66.67
Inverse success %: 0

CINNAMON
Total sways: 20
Total success: 16
Success %: 80
Inverse success %: 0

SWAYERS WITH PCOS
Total sways: 19
Total success: 14
Success %: 73.68
Inverse success %: N/A

************************************************** ****************
DIET
IG
- Total sways 27
- Total success 11
- Success % 40.74
LE
- Total sways 225
- Total success 141
- Success % 62.67
FGD
- Total sways 4
- Total success 4
- Success % 100
IG/LE MIX
- Total sways 16
- Total success 10
- Success % 62.5
VEGETARIAN (non-sway)
- Total sways 15
- Total success 10
- Success % 66.67
GENERIC DIET (non-sway)
- Total sways 4
- Total success 3
- Success % 75
OTHER DIET
- Total sways 32
- Total success 23
- Success % 71.88
NO DIET
- Total sways 20
- Total success 12
- Success % 60

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TIMING
Attempted O+12
- Total sways 19
- Total success 13
- Success % 68.42
Through OV/pos OPK (all)
- Total sways 233
- Total success 146
- Success % 62.66
OV (confirmed)
- Total sways 119
- Total success 79
- Success % 66.39
Pos OPK
- Total sways 85
- Total success 49
- Success % 57.65
2-3 day cut off
- Total sways 55
- Total success 31
- Success % 56.36
4+ day cut off
- Total sways 12
- Total success 10
- Success % 83.33

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FREQUENCY
FR
- Total sways 68
- Total success 43
- Success % 63.24
FBD
- Total sways 64
- Total success 39
- Success % 60.94
CFR
- Total sways 19
- Total success 15
- Success % 78.95
ABSTAIN
- Total sways 71
- Total success 42
- Success % 59.15
EVERY 4 DAYS
- Total sways 23
- Total success 17
- Success % 73.91
OTHER
- Total sways 78
- Total success 45
- Success % 57.69

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NUMBER OF ATTEMPTS
1 PLUS J&D
- Total sways 58
- Total success 44
- Success % 75.86
1
- Total sways 146
- Total success 98
- Success % 67.12
2
- Total sways 66
- Total success 39
- Success % 59.09
3
- Total sways 45
- Total success 24
- Success % 53.33
4+
- Total sways 70
- Total success 44
- Success % 62.86

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DIET WEEKS
1-4 weeks
- Total sways 37
- Total success 19
- Success % 51.35
5-8 weeks
- Total sways 71
- Total success 40
- Success % 56.34
9-12 weeks
- Total sways 55
- Total success 39
- Success % 70.91
13-16 weeks
- Total sways 33
- Total success 21
- Success % 63.64
17-20 weeks
- Total sways 17
- Total success 13
- Success % 76.47
21-24 weeks
- Total sways 18
- Total success 12
- Success % 66.67
25+ weeks
- Total sways 70
- Total success 48
- Success % 68.57

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ALCOHOL
None
- Total sways 84
- Total success 49
- Success % 58.33
Wine
- Total sways 48
- Total success 39
- Success % 81.25
Spirits
- Total sways 13
- Total success 8
- Success % 61.54
Beer
- Total sways 4
- Total success 3
- Success % 75
Other
- Total sways 15
- Total success 8
- Success % 53.33
All alcohol
- Total sways 72
- Total success 58
- Success % 80.56

[maidentomother]

Thank you blueeyedguys! Very interesting indeed. The time on diet results are consolidating more clearly with higher sample sizes. Clearly 12w or 25+ weeks are in the lead.

The ions success has me stumped, especially bc it's such a large sample size. Is it just an artifact as most doing strict sways include them? Or is there an actual working effect? Also, does painting nails, wearing a rose quartz bracelet, and having a rock salt lamp in the bedroom etc count as ions? Or does it have to be an ionizer, air purifier, or fan running frequently? Does AC produce ions? How about a fountain by the bed?

I think it would be very interesting to go through the Clomid sways and separate out the swayers who needed Clomid bc they'd lost O after being too strict on the diet too long/losing too much weight. I think the Clomid for swaying purposes only would show a significantly lower success rate. Is Femara lumped in with Clomid?

I'd also REALLY like to see the results of certain combo variables, in particular swayers on LE diet for 12+ weeks and 1 attempt and swayers on LE diet 12+ weeks, 1 attempt, and 8+ weeks proper exercise. No Clomid/Femara users included or else done separately. If I ever get pregnant I plan on doing these stats myself, by going through the detailed sway attempts to confirm they fit the parameters.

Lastly, I'd like to see the results for unprotected BD every 4 days and for every 3 days, and can these be added as options to the spreadsheet? We are just starting to see results now I believe...

[mommymachine]

Thank you blueeyed!

[atomic sagebrush]

Re ions - I have explained this 1,000,000 times so sorry for being repetitive, but the ONLY reason why ions are doing anything is because people continue to use a little lavender lotion or wear their bracelet or lamps even after dropping tons of other sway tactics and being on diet a really long time, because they don't inhibit odds of conception.

TRUST ME, they do NOTHING. BAck on Ingender there were people who were ONLY using ions, and using way, way, way more ions than we are (putting ions in their underwear, using ion menstrual pads, 500 dollar ionizers, etc) for YEARS at a time. Use ions if you want to everyone but DO NOT rely on ions for anything at all because once people stop doing the things that really work, in favor of ions.

They literally CANNOT work for swaying because X and Y sperm have no electrical charge and also beccause it is biologically impossible. EVeryone's cervical mucus has certain ions in it because that is what cervical mucus is MADE OF and the ions that occur naturally in cervical mucus are, according to the theory blue friendly.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, the stats can go up and down quite dramatically at times. That is why we have to look at the overall trends and NOT treat these numbers like they are

Personally, I have had overwhelmingly pink results from Custom Swayers the last couple months and again am confused by the numbers. I think some people don't update their stats or something. Take these numbers with a grain of salt.

[atomic sagebrush]

We also still need to separate out husbands taking cal-mag with wives taking it because there is NO WAY that IG Diet gets 40% and then the cal mag gets that high. Most people have ONLY their husbands taking it and the stats are confusing people.

[blueeyedguys]

It's separate in the spreadsheet. Only the numbers for the wife taking it are in the list. Not sure why Rainbow didn't add the husband's one to the list. Might be because only 5 people have listed it as being part of their sway and none of them had a girl. I can create an entry for it if you want to add it to the list.

[maidentomother]

LOL thanks atomic, I do remember you ranting about ionic underwear. An artifact makes the most sense but I do kinda believe in ions, when it comes to weather, waterfalls etc, I think they affect us slightly, though not necessarily swaying (and most likely not), and I don't believe in the painted nails or salt lamps.

Plus, even if ions DID sway, I'm sure it would be a mild effect and no guarantee, so even ionic underwear wouldn't be a magic bullet.

Mostly I'm just confused about how painting your nails or lavender scent or salt lamps have any ionic effect at all?

[atomic sagebrush]

The theory is that the ions are on a mission to invade our vagina and somehow burrow their way up there. That they actually come from the moon and from fingernail polish remover and from salt lamps and somehow if you shoot enough of them at yourself they end up on a trajectory through your entire repro tract at such a high concentration that they can attract 100 million sperm any one of which is 100 million times larger than they are.

Ions are real things that actually exist and have thousands of functions in the human body, but I do not believe they sway gender if you bombard yourself with them. If it worked, X and Y sperm would have different electrical charges and they do not, and also sperm cells are SO HUGE compared to an ion that the idea that ions could attract or repel them is like trying to pull a jumbo jet along by having people stand in front of it with magnets. Plus, IF as the story goes, all the minerals and pH diet stuff is supposed to create the "right" kind of ions in CM, then bombarding oneself with the same type of ions wouldn't work anyway because like charges REPEL each other, not attract. Plus PLUS, if it really did work, then sending particles up the VJ from the outside could even make the sperm come back the WRONG way if the particles coming from outside were more highly concentrated than those emanating from the direction of the egg (same argument as to why pH can't work) If X sperm "love" something, whether it's low pH or negative ions, you'd want to NOT shove a bunch of them right inside the hoo-hah because that will attract the X sperm the wrong direction while the Y's go fleeing in terror towards the egg where they're less concentrated.

[maidentomother]

The whole charged/polar egg-sperm attraction, which supposedly is why the mineral diet works as well as ions, is so very clearly complete BS, pulled out of thin air without any basis in evidence and just plain wrong/impossible, just like Shettles/timing and the pH 'theories'. There is a lady on FF who has 2 sons then like 4-5 daughters with a 3rd son somewhere in there, she claims to be a biologist and spouted that charged egg/sperm craziness at me, I didn't know whether to laugh, cry, or wish I could telekinetically crush all her fingers to prevent her endless raving about oldschool pink swaying! It just makes zero sense to anyone with even a basic high school understanding of chem/bio!

But my mother was the same way, despite all her degrees and knowledge she believed some of the nuttiest things (ex. Calcium is evil and causes cancer...bc some article in a new age magazine said so!). But she was also delusional & psychotic especially towards the end. Still, she always had this strange 'willful denial of logic'/'naive gullibility' and I see that a fair bit on other swaying sites, even here sometimes. Especially if the idea is too good or too bad to be true, it holds a strange appeal. And if just taking a pill fixes a complex issue miraculously, they're hooked. That whole magic bullet wishfulness.

Getting back to real science, I wonder if the effect of ions on mood could sway indirectly, in some people. That way seems at least possible, but likely mild in efficacy and not necessarily controllable.

[atomic sagebrush]

I am completely confused as to how Temerity, Schlingel, Emilee Jane, Sister Please, Dutchgirl having TWIN girls, and Sunbuny all got girls with custom plans within the past two months since the last time the data was updated and the number of Custom Sway successes is identical at 54. Falling from 67.5% success to 60% success is NOT MESHING with what is being reported to me.

PEOPLE ARE NOT ADDING THEIR DATA TO THE STATS. That is totally cool not to add your data if you so choose, but PLEASE do not take these numbers that seriously. Sometimes, it's the people who got opposites and have a bee in their bonnet who are the most inclined to come back and update.

THESE NUMBERS ARE FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY.

[blueeyedguys]

So the entry for dh cal+mag:

DH CAL+MAG
Total sways: 5
Total success: 0
Success %: 0
Inverse success %: 0

Not sure where in the list you want to put it.

I wonder how many people are missing that they need to add them? The number of twins hasn't gone up at all.

When I was adding old entries, I stopped adding entries from about 2 months prior to when I stopped to give people a chance to add their own. I wonder if I should go back and see if there's more I can add.

[atomic sagebrush]

If anyone who is so motivated or preggo wants to go back and add people that would be great. I don't want ANYONE to undermine any sway they are doing by updating stats if it may possibly, remotely sway blue. :)

All I know is that those people (plus a couple more who did not want to update until baby's birth) n the last 2 months since the data was updated by Rainbow, got girls with custom plans. But the number of custom plan success has not changed at all. So I know that the 60% cannot be accurate.

I really don't even CARE since I still think 60% is acceptible but I would love to know what the "real" numbers are, inasmuch as we ever can.

Hugest huge huge ((((hugs)))) to everyone who helps with this process. It's grueling.

[atomic sagebrush]

Someone just messaged me about a potential error that puts the data back up where I would have expected it to be...working to get this rectified and then I will update original thread.

[atomic sagebrush]

The "polar egg" is a complete lie and misrepresentation of science, as well. Just because they use the word "polar" does not mean "magnet", it's simply a term that describes a stage of the egg's development where a piece of it swells and breaks off but is unfertiliziable. This is called "the polar body" and a charlatan who has never offered his "studies" for review by any other scientists twists that using science-ese designed to confuse people into believing that this has to do with electric charges and magnetism. It simply cannot be, because if your egg was magnetic enough to pull a sperm to it, you'd be walking around attracting anything with iron in it to your abdomen. (you know how you have to have magnets really close to something to pick them up!!)

This is one thing I know I need an essay on, but it's just SO DUMB LOL. I hate having to spend the time debunking something SO ridiculous.

:agree: with potential effects on mood (even just the act of putting on lotion and painting nails can be soothing for some people, possibly relaxing) and also at the risk of making NO friends LOL I ~personally~ believe there is an ever-so-slight tendency with people who may be more set for girls to start with, to attribute things to supernatural/magic/fatalistic explanations like "rose quartz bracelets make baby girls because ions" while some of us who are more set for boys want everything to fit into a perfectly logical framework and tend to be more skeptical of ions and hence less likely to believe them and use them. So may even be an artifact of Mary-Martha to some extent. Even back on Ingender it was like that, before I ever started doing any research or had ever heard of Maternal Dominance Hypothesis - there was just this different vibe coming from the wild-eyed ladies who drank every drop of the Kool Aid (oh whoops I mean Crystal Light) and then the ones who weren't and weren't willing to do the nutty stuff. And then when the latter got more opposites, everyone then took that as this incontrovertible proof that all these ridiculous things mattered when it was glaringly obvious, looking around at the rest of the universe who isn't doing any of them and still getting boys and girls without them (or even doing the opposite, like alcohol and coffee which you will still see reported as being strong BLUE sway tactics on the other sites) that they DON'T.

[QueenB3blue]

Just added my sway results. Sorry it took so long. I can basically only post from my phone and it doesn't work half the time!


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[atomic sagebrush]

No not at all, thank you so very much!!!!! :) It is very much appreciated.

[maidentomother]

Awesome post! FYI, that tendency to believe in the magical etc has actual term, schizotypal. Basically it's used to describe a very mild, functional form of schizophrenia. Like all mental conditions it's a spectrum, with schizophrenia at one end and an interest/belief in the magical at the otger. One of the best courses I took in college was a cross-departmental bio/pysch elective called Human Sexuality taught by Robert Sapolsky, a very brilliant and interesting man. It was one of the most popular classes available to undergrads. Sapolsky is most famous for his hands on primate research (he's spent multiple years studying the same tribes) and has also written some great books on biology phenomena for laypeople.

Much of what I learned in that class (which covered many fringe topics) made me able to grasp the concepts of swaying easily, and I'm sure Sapolsky would have some fascinating things to say about swaying. Anyway, he discussed schizotypal tendencies and how they are the reason schizophrenia has remained in the gene pool instead of dying out due to natural selection. Bc back in the day, having the mild form, I.e. being schizotypal, was an evolutionary advantage. Such people were typically the religious leaders, shamans in their earliest incarnations, and were highly respected socially.

Since it seems OCD tendencies might sway blue, I wonder about schizotypal ones. I have full blown OCD and am definitely strongly schizotypal - though thankfully functionally so. Magical thinking is very often present in OCD, so now I'm wondering if there's crossover in brain function/structure and genetically. I wouldn't be surprised if schizotypal sways blue, with or without OCD/controlling personality elements.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh yeah I've read some of his writing and watched a really interesting documentary that featured him at length. Very cool.

I personally feel that the tendency has been that those who attribute things to external control are the people who have more girls and those who attribute things to internal control (ie things that they personally can control) are the ones who have more boys. It's just that very, very strong trend I've seen. OCD in and of itself, while it can certainly be a type of magical thinking, is often rooted in rituals that a person can themselves control while WITH MANY EXCEPTIONS I feel more of a sense of external forces at work - the moon, being punished for something, their husbands "making only X" or so on.

[blueeyedguys]

Spreadsheet is now fixed until we get too many entries, so updated stats as of today are:

Total sways: 351
Total pink: 229
Success %: 65.24% success

TTC CYCLES
Success, cycles= 3.1027
Opposites, cycles= 2.7619

MULTIPLES
Total multiples= 11

PERSONALISED PLAN
Total sways: 91
Total success: 62
Success %: 68.13
Inverse success %: 0

VITEX
Total sways: 116
Total success: 67
Success %: 57.76
Inverse success %: 0

SAW PALMETTO
Total sways: 81
Total success: 49
Success %: 60.49
Inverse success %: 0

ANTIHISTAMINES
Total sways: 167
Total success: 101
Success %: 60.48
Inverse success %: 0

CRANBERRY OR ASPIRIN
Total sways: 192
Total success: 126
Success %: 65.63
Inverse success %: 0

CRANBERRY (specifically)
Total sways: 42
Total success: 26
Success %: 61.9

ASPIRIN (specifically)
Total sways: 115
Total success: 76
Success %: 66.09

REPLENS/REPHRESH
Total sways: 121
Total success: 78
Success %: 64.46
Inverse success %: 0

LIME/DOUCHE
Total sways: 20
Total success: 15
Success %: 75
Inverse success %: 0

JUMP & DUMP
Total sways: 130
Total success: 82
Success %: 63.08
Inverse success %: 0

CAL+MAG
Total sways: 77
Total success: 54
Success %: 70.13
Inverse success %: 0

PREGNITUDE
Total sways: 6
Total success: 5
Success %: 83.33% success
Inverse success %: 0

LIQ. ROOT for DH
Total sways: 88
Total success: 61
Success %: 69.32
Inverse success %: 0

CLOMID
Total sways: 44
Total success: 34
Success %: 77.27
Inverse success %: 0

SOY ISOFLAVONES
Total sways: 17
Total success: 10
Success %: 58.82
Inverse success %: 0

CRANBERRY/ASPIRIN for DH
Total sways: 106
Total success: 71
Success %: 66.98
Inverse success %: 0

CAFFEINE (needs separating out)
Total sways (Some and Lots): 54
Total success: 79
Success %: 68.35% success
Inverse success %: 0

SUGAR
Total sways (Some and Lots): 56
Total success: 78
Success %: 71.79% success
Inverse success %:

SUGAR - none 39
Success % 51.28
SUGAR - some 65
Success % 55.38
SUGAR - lots 13
Success % 53.85

IONS
Total sways: 168
Total success: 117
Success %: 69.64
Inverse success %: 0

NEW MOON
Total sways: 75
Total success: 53
Success %: 70.67
Inverse success %: 0

CHINESE GENDER CALENDAR
Total sways: 65
Total success: 47
Success %: 72.31
Inverse success %: 0

OLD WIVES TALES
Total sways: 126
Total success: 82
Success %: 65.08
Inverse success %: 0

ACIDPHIOUS
Total sways: 37
Total success: 16
Success %: 43.24
Inverse success %: 0

FERTILITY CHARM/SPELL
Total sways: 12
Total success: 5
Success %: 41.67
Inverse success %: 0

FIBRE
Total sways: 106
Total success: 73
Success %: 68.87
Inverse success %: 0

ACIGEL/SYLK
Total sways: 77
Total success: 51
Success %: 66.23
Inverse success %: 0

SKIPPING BREAKFAST
Total sways: 247
Total success: 164
Success %: 66.4
Inverse success %: 0

EXERCISE
Total sways: 80
Total success: 61
Success %: 76.25
Inverse success %: 0

FIRST CYCLE AFTER MC
Total sways: 20
Total success: 15
Success %: 75
Inverse success %: 0

BREASTFEEDING
Total sways: 40
Total success: 27
Success %: 67.5
Inverse success %: 0

BIRTH CONTROL PILL
Total sways: 12
Total success: 9
Success %: 75
Inverse success %: 0

LEFT-SLEEPER
Total sways: 70
Total success: 51
Success %: 72.86
Inverse success %: 0

RASPBERRY/PEPPERMINT TEA
Total sways: 49
Total success: 37
Success %: 75.51
Inverse success %: 0

OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT for DH
Total sways: 37
Total success: 28
Success %: 75.68
Inverse success %: 0

CINNAMON
Total sways: 20
Total success: 16
Success %: 80
Inverse success %: 0

SWAYERS WITH PCOS
Total sways: 19
Total success: 14
Success %: 73.68
Inverse success %: N/A

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DIET
IG
- Total sways 27
- Total success 11
- Success % 40.74
LE
- Total sways 227
- Total success 141
- Success % 62.11
FGD
- Total sways 4
- Total success 4
- Success % 100
IG/LE MIX
- Total sways 16
- Total success 10
- Success % 62.5
VEGETARIAN (non-sway)
- Total sways 15
- Total success 10
- Success % 66.67
GENERIC DIET (non-sway)
- Total sways 4
- Total success 3
- Success % 75
OTHER DIET
- Total sways 32
- Total success 23
- Success % 71.88
NO DIET
- Total sways 20
- Total success 12
- Success % 60

************************************************** ****************
TIMING
Attempted O+12
- Total sways 19
- Total success 13
- Success % 68.42
Through OV/pos OPK (all)
- Total sways 234
- Total success 146
- Success % 62.39
OV (confirmed)
- Total sways 119
- Total success 79
- Success % 66.39
Pos OPK
- Total sways 86
- Total success 49
- Success % 56.98
2-3 day cut off
- Total sways 55
- Total success 31
- Success % 56.36
4+ day cut off
- Total sways 12
- Total success 10
- Success % 83.33

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FREQUENCY
FR
- Total sways 68
- Total success 43
- Success % 63.24
FBD
- Total sways 64
- Total success 39
- Success % 60.94
CFR
- Total sways 19
- Total success 15
- Success % 78.95
ABSTAIN
- Total sways 71
- Total success 42
- Success % 59.15
EVERY 4 DAYS
- Total sways 24
- Total success 17
- Success % 70.83
OTHER
- Total sways 79
- Total success 45
- Success % 56.96

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NUMBER OF ATTEMPTS
1 PLUS J&D
- Total sways 58
- Total success 44
- Success % 75.86
1
- Total sways 147
- Total success 98
- Success % 66.67
2
- Total sways 67
- Total success 39
- Success % 58.21
3
- Total sways 45
- Total success 24
- Success % 53.33
4+
- Total sways 70
- Total success 44
- Success % 62.86

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DIET WEEKS
1-4 weeks
- Total sways 37
- Total success 19
- Success % 51.35
5-8 weeks
- Total sways 71
- Total success 40
- Success % 56.34
9-12 weeks
- Total sways 55
- Total success 39
- Success % 70.91
13-16 weeks
- Total sways 34
- Total success 21
- Success % 61.76
17-20 weeks
- Total sways 17
- Total success 13
- Success % 76.47
21-24 weeks
- Total sways 18
- Total success 12
- Success % 66.67
25+ weeks
- Total sways 71
- Total success 48
- Success % 67.61

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ALCOHOL
None
- Total sways 85
- Total success 49
- Success % 57.65
Wine
- Total sways 48
- Total success 39
- Success % 81.25
Spirits
- Total sways 14
- Total success 8
- Success % 57.14
Beer
- Total sways 4
- Total success 3
- Success % 75
Other
- Total sways 15
- Total success 8
- Success % 53.33
All alcohol
- Total sways 72
- Total success 58
- Success % 80.56

[XXforhubby]

Thanks a bunch Blue!!!


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[netti02]

Thanks heaps, great data. It helps in deciding which things to include in swaying pink. Thanks again

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[atomic sagebrush]

THANK YOU!!!! :bowdown: I will fix the first post when I get thru with my q's for the day. Much, much, much appreciated blueeyedguys and chloepink who also helped with this.

[atomic sagebrush]

everyone take note as more people do one attempt, the success rate goes down! This does happen as more and more people who are not necessarily doing the strictest of sways in other ways add a sway tactic. We have to continue to remember the stats as they've been over time historically and PLEASE continue doing one attempt because it was getting 70% or better consistently for many years.

[maidentomother]

Yep. And over on FF in particular I've noticed a lot of ladies ONLY doing 1 attempt, as their sole sway tactic. It's certainly the easiest pink sway tactic but unfortunately not the strongest unless combined with diet, exercise, , clomid etc. Here I've seen several ladies not on the diet for long/at all do one attempt and get boys, which I think largely explains the recent drop in stats.

[Chloepink]

Sorry accidental disliked.

[atomic sagebrush]

everyone take note as more people do one attempt, the success rate goes down! This does happen as more and more people who are not necessarily doing the strictest of sways in other ways add a sway tactic. We have to continue to remember the stats as they've been over time historically and PLEASE continue doing one attempt because it was getting 70% or better consistently for many years.

Actually a second error in the Spreadsheet was found and one attempt is still getting 70%. :agree: Working to fix these mistakes. People's results are not getting added in a certain part of the spreadsheet and since they ARE getting added overall, it's actually worse than nothing because it counts as an opposite.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yep. And over on FF in particular I've noticed a lot of ladies ONLY doing 1 attempt, as their sole sway tactic. It's certainly the easiest pink sway tactic but unfortunately not the strongest unless combined with diet, exercise, , clomid etc. Here I've seen several ladies not on the diet for long/at all do one attempt and get boys, which I think largely explains the recent drop in stats.

:agree: and still will not be surprised to see numbers with one attempt drop for this reason, just that they haven't yet.

If you can do only one thing, do one attempt, but you are going to get MUCH better results with diet and exercise and some other things as well.

[blueeyedguys]

wrong spot

[Babybun]

Just wondering if there are any stats on the LE PCOS diet? Would they be grouped under LE or other?

[atomic sagebrush]

Just wondering if there are any stats on the LE PCOS diet? Would they be grouped under LE or other?

The people who had PCOS were doing the alt. diet and getting very good results as you can see. I would like to see this get broken down more because others are doing the alt. diets now but unfortunately the girl who has been keeping the stats just had a baby (well that isn't unfortunate at all, he's gorgeous LOL) and the stats are messed up and none of us have the ability to fix them without her. We may have to start over and redo them, it's still up in the air right now what will be the next step.

[MB777]

:agree: and still will not be surprised to see numbers with one attempt drop for this reason, just that they haven't yet.

If you can do only one thing, do one attempt, but you are going to get MUCH better results with diet and exercise and some other things as well.


Sorry...what is "one attempt"
I'm new to all this! Thanks xx

[Butterflies buttercups]

As in have sex once in fertile window x


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[atomic sagebrush]

Sorry...what is "one attempt"
I'm new to all this! Thanks xx

limiting yourself to just one unprotected intercourse in the fertile window for TTC a girl. We don't know why but it seems to help a pink sway

[blueeyedguys]

New Stats update. Please note I got these from the new spreadsheet, which is not active yet, although I think it might be ready to go. I'm manually copying entries over at this point. It lists 1 less sway than the current spreadsheet because there is a double entry I can't delete on the current one.

Total sways: 360
Total pink: 234
Success %: 65%

TTC CYCLES
Success, cycles= 3.1103
Opposites, cycles= 2.7761

MULTIPLES
Total multiples= 11

PERSONALISED PLAN
Total sways: 95
Total success: 64
Success %: 67.37%
Inverse success %: 0

VITEX
Total sways: 118
Total success: 68
Success %: 57.63%
Inverse success %: 0

SAW PALMETTO
Total sways: 83
Total success: 50
Success %: 60.24%
Inverse success %: 0

ANTIHISTAMINES
Total sways: 173
Total success: 105
Success %: 60.69%
Inverse success %: 0

CRANBERRY OR ASPIRIN
Total sways: 196
Total success: 129
Success %: 65.82%
Inverse success %: 0

CRANBERRY (specifically)
Total sways: 42
Total success: 26
Success %: 61.9%

ASPIRIN (specifically)
Total sways: 118
Total success: 78
Success %: 66.1%

REPLENS/REPHRESH
Total sways: 124
Total success: 79
Success %: 63.71%
Inverse success %: 0

LIME/DOUCHE
Total sways: 20
Total success: 15
Success %: 75%
Inverse success %: 0

JUMP & DUMP
Total sways: 133
Total success: 83
Success %: 62.41%
Inverse success %: 0

CAL+MAG
Total sways: 78
Total success: 55
Success %: 70.51%
Inverse success %: 0

PREGNITUDE
Total sways: 7
Total success: 6
Success %: 85.71%
Inverse success %: 0

LIQ. ROOT for DH
Total sways: 89
Total success: 37
Success %: 41.57%
Inverse success %: 0

CLOMID
Total sways: 46
Total success: 35
Success %: 76.09%
Inverse success %: 0

SOY ISOFLAVONES
Total sways: 17
Total success: 10
Success %: 58.82%
Inverse success %: 0

CRANBERRY/ASPIRIN for DH
Total sways: 108
Total success: 72
Success %: 66.67%
Inverse success %: 0

CAFFEINE
Total sways (Some and Lots): 59
Total success: 87
Success %: 67.82%
Inverse success %: 0

CAFFEINE - none 35
Total Success 20
Success % 57.14%

CAFFEINE - some 76
Total Success 51
Success % 67.11%

CAFFEINE - lots 11
Total Success 10
Success % 90.91%

SUGAR
Total sways (Some and Lots): 62
Total success: 87
Success %: 71.26%
Inverse success %:

SUGAR - none 39
Total Success 20
Success % 51.28%

SUGAR - some 72
Total Success 51
Success % 70.83%

SUGAR - lots 15
Total Success 10
Success % 66.67%

IONS
Total sways: 175
Total success: 121
Success %: 69.14%
Inverse success %: 0

NEW MOON
Total sways: 76
Total success: 54
Success %: 71.05%
Inverse success %: 0

CHINESE GENDER CALENDAR
Total sways: 65
Total success: 48
Success %: 73.85%
Inverse success %: 0

OLD WIVES TALES
Total sways: 132
Total success: 86
Success %: 65.15%
Inverse success %: 0

ACIDPHIOUS
Total sways: 39
Total success: 17
Success %: 43.59%
Inverse success %: 0

FERTILITY CHARM/SPELL
Total sways: 13
Total success: 6
Success %: 46.15%
Inverse success %: 0

FIBRE
Total sways: 112
Total success: 76
Success %: 67.86%
Inverse success %: 0

ACIGEL/SYLK
Total sways: 81
Total success: 53
Success %: 65.43%
Inverse success %: 0

SKIPPING BREAKFAST
Total sways: 253
Total success: 167
Success %: 66.01%
Inverse success %: 0

EXERCISE
Total sways: 84
Total success: 63
Success %: 75%
Inverse success %: 0

FIRST CYCLE AFTER MC
Total sways: 20
Total success: 15
Success %: 75%
Inverse success %: 0

BREASTFEEDING
Total sways: 40
Total success: 27
Success %: 67.5%
Inverse success %: 0

BIRTH CONTROL PILL
Total sways: 11
Total success: 8
Success %: 72.73%

LEFT-SLEEPER
Total sways: 74
Total success: 54
Success %: 72.97%
Inverse success %: 0

RASPBERRY/PEPPERMINT TEA
Total sways: 53
Total success: 40
Success %: 75.47%
Inverse success %: 0

OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT for DH
Total sways: 42
Total success: 30
Success %: 71.43%
Inverse success %: 0

CINNAMON
Total sways: 25
Total success: 20
Success %: 80%
Inverse success %: 0

SWAYERS WITH PCOS
Total Sways: 19
Total Success: 15
Success % 78.95%
Inverse Success % N/A
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CAL+MAG for DH
Total Sways: 8
Total Success: 0
Success % 0%
Inverse Success % N/A


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DIET
IG
- Total sways 27
- Total success 11
- Success % 40.74%

LE
- Total sways 231
- Total success 150
- Success % 64.94%

LE PCOS
- Total Sways 1
-Total Success 1
-Success % 100%

FGD
- Total sways 4
- Total success 4
- Success % 100%

IG/LE MIX
- Total sways 18
- Total success 12
- Success % 66.67%

VEGETARIAN (non-sway)
- Total sways 17
- Total success 15
- Success % 88.24%

GENERIC DIET (non-sway)
- Total sways 5
- Total success 4
- Success % 80%

OTHER DIET
- Total sways 31
- Total success 24
- Success % 77.42%

NO DIET
- Total sways 20
- Total success 12
- Success % 60%

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TIMING
Attempted O+12
- Total sways 19
- Total success 13
- Success % 68.42%

Through OV/pos OPK (all)
- Total sways 239
- Total success 155
- Success % 68.42%

OV (confirmed)
- Total sways 120
- Total success 82
- Success % 68.33%

Pos OPK
- Total sways 89
- Total success 53
- Success % 59.55%

2-3 day cut off
- Total sways 58
- Total success 37
- Success % 63.79%

4+ day cut off
- Total sways 13
- Total success 11
- Success % 84.62%

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FREQUENCY
FR
- Total sways 68
- Total success 43
- Success % 63.24%

FBD
- Total sways 66
- Total success 42
- Success % 63.64%

CFR
- Total sways 20
- Total success 15
- Success % 75%

ABSTAIN
- Total sways 74
- Total success 47
- Success % 63.51%

EVERY 4 DAYS
- Total sways 28
- Total success 21
- Success % 75%

OTHER
- Total sways 78
- Total success 50
- Success % 64.1%

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NUMBER OF ATTEMPTS
1 PLUS J&D
- Total sways 68
- Total success 50
- Success % 73.53%

1
- Total sways 151
- Total success 106
- Success % 70.2%

2
- Total sways 70
- Total success 46
- Success % 65.71%

3
- Total sways 46
- Total success 26
- Success % 56.52%

4+
- Total sways 71
- Total success 46
- Success % 64.79%

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DIET WEEKS
1-4 weeks
- Total sways 37
- Total success 21
- Success % 56.76%

5-8 weeks
- Total sways 73
- Total success 44
- Success % 60.27%

9-12 weeks
- Total sways 60
- Total success 43
- Success % 71.67%

13-16 weeks
- Total sways 35
- Total success 25
- Success % 71.43%

17-20 weeks
- Total sways 18
- Total success 14
- Success % 77.78%

21-24 weeks
- Total sways 18
- Total success 13
- Success % 72.22%

25+ weeks
- Total sways 71
- Total success 51
- Success % 71.83%

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ALCOHOL
None
- Total sways 86
- Total success 57
- Success % 66.28%

Wine
- Total sways 52
- Total success 42
- Success % 80.77%

Spirits
- Total sways 17
- Total success 15
- Success % 88.24%

Beer
- Total sways 4
- Total success 3
- Success % 75%

Other
- Total sways 16
- Total success 9
- Success % 56.25%

All alcohol
- Total sways 89
- Total success 69
- Success % 77.53%


Atomic, I checked the names you listed (Temerity, Schlingel, Emilee Jane, Sister Please, Dutchgirl and Sunbuny) on the spreadsheet, and unless they added under different names, the only ones who've added their sways are Temerity, Dutchgirl and Emilee Jane. I'm sure there are probably others who didn't get custom sways who haven't added yet.

[atomic sagebrush]

THANK YOU so much, I will message the others to update their sways in the stats.

[mommymachine]

Thanks!!!


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[blueeyedguys]

I should point out that I've separated out the caffeine into none, some, and lots on the new sheet. Rainbow had planned to do so, but I guess she (understandably) didn't get to it. I've also added LE PCOS as a diet option to the new form and the data. However, unless people note they did it in their comments or message me that they did, I won't be able to get any other stats for it until the new form is active and people can choose it as an option.

[covered in blue]

Thanks blueeyedguys! You an awesome job :)

[liny]

thats awesome thanks ! i think i gonna be a vegetarian for a few month :)

[essnce629]

Thanks! Great job blueeyedguys!!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

I should point out that I've separated out the caffeine into none, some, and lots on the new sheet. Rainbow had planned to do so, but I guess she (understandably) didn't get to it. I've also added LE PCOS as a diet option to the new form and the data. However, unless people note they did it in their comments or message me that they did, I won't be able to get any other stats for it until the new form is active and people can choose it as an option.


I do want to mention while I'm thinking of it that our results went from quite poor with swayers with PCOS back on IG and in the early days of GD site, to GREAT since we've been tracking their results and this is concurrent with the advent of the PCOS diets. I think they are really helping although this is not shown in the stats we have as of now, I keep track of things that aren't necessarily in this dataset. :)

[onedream]

Hi!

If you done not have PCOS, bus you are very small en can't loose much weight, is the PCOS-diet an option than for swaying for a girl?

[covered in blue]

Onedream - I am naturally quite small and do not have PCOS so started on regular Le but was slowly gaining weight. I switched to PCOS but the weight just fell off me on this diet. I think the higher carbs of regular Le are better at keeping weight on. My advice would be to try regular Le and keep your cals high (around 1800 if you are doing exercise too). Keep an eye on your weight. You don't need to loose anything if you are already small. Good luck :).

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi!

If you done not have PCOS, bus you are very small en can't loose much weight, is the PCOS-diet an option than for swaying for a girl?

If you don't have PCOS and have no weight to spare I would prefer you to do the standard LE Diet and exercise. I think we would get better result with that.

[blueeyedguys]

Well, I think the new form is ready to go (unless/until Atomic has any other things she wants added). Would anyone like to be a guinea pig and use it to enter their sway? I've entered a few test responses, but I haven't had anyone enter anything from a different account/ip address.

If anyone wants to try entering their sway with the new form, the link is https://docs.google.com/forms/d/17zlGqY0LE7EsDA-RldFDKkYzNSrAiudMn7lYIV6nxAY/viewform

[Sunbuny]

I entered my sway using the new form. I thought I had entered it ages ago and just saw that it wasn't on there. hopefully it has worked fx


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[atomic sagebrush]

I am fine with however you have it BEG and so very appreciative you did all this. I wish I was more help

[blueeyedguys]

It was interesting. I've never really done much with spreadsheets before. Let me know if you have any other questions you want added or answers to questions. I'll figure out how to get them added. And please pm me an email address so I can add you. Even if you don't want to edit anything on it, at least then you can add anyone else if needed. I don't know if you want to edit the OP with the new links or leave it until Rainbow comes back.

Sunybuny it looks like it worked great! If you want to check and make sure everything is right, the spreadsheet link is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aL3llD0t0LIDTY5wWGcEV8UuPq175XL2x1DlWVoRWN0/edit#gid=0 and your entry is on line 367.

[atomic sagebrush]

We should start a new thread and close this one and I will message you. I am not totally sure how to start a new thread on this, does anyone have any suggestions.

Sorry I know you've been doing your darndest to work with me on this - August is HORRIBLE for me and this was the horriblest August of all. I really completely appreciate all your efforts on this.

[CherryBlossom]

If we make a new thread can you post it in here =)
I did the old sway chart end of last month. Hope that's ok


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes we will!!

[blueeyedguys]

I copied your sway over shortly after you did it, Cherry Blossom. :)

I think the best thing for me to do is start a new thread and change this one from being sticky to the new one. It'll have to be done in a couple of places as the original form & sheet are linked on several forums.

[atomic sagebrush]

I agree and I have written myself a huge note to help you work on this ASAP and if not please sing "I am Henery the 8th I am" until I do that." :p For some reason I always think "I'll do this after questions" and then I look up and it's 3:30 in the afternoon and my brain is fried.

[blueeyedguys]

NEW thread is here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/51473-new-complete-pink-swaying-statistics-spreadsheet-info-links.html#post756135

Can this one be closed and unstickied?

[rainbowflower]

updated pink (spreadsheet size seems fixed so inverses are back too)

[Mommykisses]

This is great . Can you please explain the difference between positive opk and ov confirmed .

[atomic sagebrush]

Positive OPK is at the first positive on OPK strips or first solid smiley on fertility monitor.

Ovulation is people who actually had sex the day of ovulation as confirmed by ultrasound or with a clear cut temp chart.

Also, this thread is a bit outdated, please check out our new thread here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/51473-complete-pink-swaying-statistics-spreadsheet-info-links-enter-your-sway.html

[Liliana]

Hi Atomic, I didn’t see Femara in the list of the procentage of success for swaying pink. Any information on that? Is everyone using Clomid here? I was thinking more on femara because is less posibility to have twins.
Also where do you get the olive leaf extract?
The LE diet has to be done both myself and DH?

[atomic sagebrush]

Liliana, we actually have an updated stats thread here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/51473-complete-pink-swaying-statistics-spreadsheet-info-links-enter-your-sway.html

We know Femara sways pink because it was shown to in studies (as was Clomid.) Scientific studies are much more reliable and dependable than our numbers. If anything Femara is better at swaying pink than Clomid (that is what the study found) and also it's better chances of conception with possibly lower odds of twins.

OLE - you can get at a drugstore or order online. Not all drugstores/chemists will have it, you may need to go to a speciality herb store to get it.

DH does not need to do the LE Diet. Most of our husbands would do nothing to sway! If he's willing to give up red meat or even go vegetarian/vegan that's great, but if he's not, it's no big deal. He DOES NOT need to follow the protein, fat, calorie guidelines of LE Diet.

[Liliana]

Thank you Atomic! My husband almost doesn’t eat meat anyway and does lots of exercise. He would do anything to have a girl!! I am vegetarian anyway, for some reason I had a boy last year. Is our first baby, but my husband has only brothers and they all have only boys, I think is generic. I hope we can bring iur first girl in the family. I will get the plan and start the diet 3-4 months before. In the last sentance about femara you put with possibly lower odds for pink, did you mean twins?

[atomic sagebrush]

It sounds like you are already off to a good start. No swaying tactic is 100% but we have good results with vegetarian diets. Gender does not run in families the way you're thinking of it, I have a full explanation here: in these two threads
https://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/47852-we-only-dont-make-boys.html
https://genderdreaming.com/forum/swaying-studies-and-scientific-research/824-you-cant-carry-baby-gender.html

yes I meant TWINS, sorry, Femara is as good or better than Clomid for pink.

[Liliana]

Hi Atomic, I found a cousin of mine who works in a pharmacy in a different country who can order femara and send it to me, how many pills will I need each month? She said is 30 tablets per box of 2,5 mg. Is that ok?

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh wow that's great, you would need one box in that case. That would give you 6 months (you only take 5 pills per cycle). Or you could get two boxes in case you wanted to have some in the future.

[Liliana]

Thank you so much. Are there many ladies on here that used femara and swayed pink as I see many using clomid, not femara that much...i had the doubt between those 2 also because it seems clomid is ok during breast feeding while femara not very ok. I checked on the oficial web site for breastfeeding...

[atomic sagebrush]

Femara is only "not ok" because it hasn't been studied for fertility. It was originally a cancer drug and has only been being used for fertility for the last 10 years or so. So it's far less studied than Clomid (which has been around since the 60's) and the only studies done on Femara are people taking it daily for many months as a cancer treatment. We take it only for 5 days and it is not the same thing at all. I would personally take it when breastfeeding and have no problem doing so. But you have to do what you think is best.

The reason why fewer people use Femara and more use Clomid is because of the same reason. Clomid used to be the standard treatment, and Femara is a much newer medication (at least for this use) and so it's just more common to use Clomid. But overall Femara is better for fertility and at least one study showed it was a better pink sway as well.

[Jossyj6,7]

Hi, can famara increase the chances of twins? Or between clomid and famara which of them increase the chance of having twins?

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[atomic sagebrush]

Clomid increases twinning more than Femara, but Femara does seem to potentially raise it a little. We didn't know that at first but over time it's been shown in a study to possibly up chances of twinning.

[Jossyj6,7]

I need what will increase my chances of twins as there is not history of twins in both family but, I happen to have identical twins boys 7 year ago and I will like to see if I can increase my chances this time around

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[atomic sagebrush]

Identical twins as you probably already know are just from sheer luck (they think!) and don't work the same as Clomid twins do. Clomid raises chances of fraternal twins, not ID twins. BUT one of the best things that boosts chances of twins is having had several pregnancies already so you are already coming in more set for twins to start with (yay!)

Given your age,, though, Femara will be much better for egg quality. So you have to decide what seems like the best option.