argh!!! debate about shettles left me doubting good new scientific knowledge!!!

[Yrose20118]

Hiya,

My sister today told me that her little girl is purely down to DTD 7 days before ovulated... i told her shettles has been disproven to work... she argued it and refused to believe me and said I was wrong...

She ended it with saying I have a girl so thats evidence it works isnt it...

is it???

im so emotionally confused...

xxx

[mommymachine]

I know of 8 little girls (including my own) concieved with shettles theory. However, 8 babies does not a study make. Even though I have a successful cut off baby girl I still think it has more to do with other things than JUST cutt offs:)

[nuthinbutpink]

Anyone has a chance at either gender every time. Scientifically, timing doesn't sway. Anyone can choose to believe that timing is THE reason they got a certain gender but timing alone just doesn't sway.

[nuthinbutpink]

You have to remember the "science" Shettles had access to 40 years ago! Not much!

The Trouble with Timing- Dr. Shettles got it wrong » » The Gender Selection Source (http://genderdreaming.com/2013/03/the-trouble-with-timing-dr-shettles-got-it-wrong/)

[nuthinbutpink]

You're confused because you are rushing into an attempt unprepared.

I would decide of you really want to sway or if you are okay with either gender. If you do care about gender, either have us create your plan or spend the time researching swaying and create your own.

Timing is not swaying. You can certainly get lucky though!

[monkeysnuffer]

I was really lax on the timing part of my swaynand still conceived girl. I honestly dont know what to think about sways. Part of me still thinks 50/50.

[atomic sagebrush]

Everyone thinks it works for them because they've heard of it. But if 50-50 boys and girls are conceived every day of the cycle that's still a heck of a lot of boys/girls conceived on any one day.

I've already gone over this a whole lotta times so I'll just leave it with the link:
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/7691-trouble-timing.html

Got my girl with Shettles "boy" timing after getting 3 of 4 boys with cutoffs of some length or another.

[atomic sagebrush]

I was really lax on the timing part of my swaynand still conceived girl. I honestly dont know what to think about sways. Part of me still thinks 50/50.

Our sway statistics and science indicate otherwise.

Please note post edited with different link

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/swaying-studies-scientific-research/32383-defense-swaying-part-1-a.html

[sbowman]

Take a look at your sister's lifestyle though. Is it girl friendly? Most likely the answer is yes, and that's why she got a girl. I truly believe in swaying, but I think shettles is crap. I know of just as many failed shettles sways as successes.


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[monkeysnuffer]

So timing is critical? i am confused butnit interests me alot

[rainbowflower]

no timing is not critical at all, many LARGE studies have found absolutely no link between timing and gender. I can only think of one study other than Shettles own study (which, for the record, wasn't even scientific as he was getting the women to do other things known to sway too such as douching, diet, clomid not to mention he had a flawed theory) that found a link so most likely that one was a coincidence. The majority of studies have either found no timing link or a very slight trend in the opposite way (more girls conceived at OV).

when you're looking at smaller groups or people you know luck plays a more significant role. Most people don't even have any idea when they OV - perhaps those who think they OV on CD14 and DTD on CD10 actually happen to OV on CD10 because most women don't OV on CD14. Even if using OPKs they can't know if they have already OVed by the time they get the positive (and have caught the end as the LH surge is dropping) or if they will OV 3 days later. This makes any testimonial from someone you know quite irrelevant.

[dreamingofwin]

Its hard. I am also not convinced either way and I have done a LOT of research on this, reading through all the info on here and I've read shettles book too.

I am not so convinced enough to give up my 2/3 days timing BUT I am convinced enough to have bought rephresh and be going onto my own version of LE and am starting my exercise back up (Id be doing that anyway though)

As far as statistics go I know a LOT of people that got their girls with timing and also a lot that didn't. Same on here a LOT of people did the girl diet and still got boy and a lot got their girls. I think its down to each individual and how much they want to believe.

You will never change the mind of a woman who followed shettles and got a girl and you will never change the mind of a GD follower who got their girl. Its personal preference. The majority of people will laugh at you for trying either! My friend is a GP and I told her - she laughed hysterically at me and said 'I've studied science for 10 years, it's 50/50'
Despite that I am a believer in a bit of both x

[atomic sagebrush]

So timing is critical? i am confused butnit interests me alot

No timing is NOT critical at all. You said you think it's 50-50, but it's not 50-50. I accidentally posted the wrong link I"m sorry. Read this, it shows why swaying is a real thing and not 50-50 http://genderdreaming.com/forum/swaying-studies-scientific-research/32383-defense-swaying-part-1-a.html

[monkeysnuffer]

Thanks, atomic.

[atomic sagebrush]

They THINK they got their kids from timing, but unless they had an ultrasound the fact is that they have no clue when they ovulated. I have talked to women numbering probably into the thousands by this point and

Aside from that, it's just silly to me, when there are 50-50 conceived thru the cycle, to assume even a seemingly successful timing sway proves anything, because 50% is still a heck of a lot of kids.

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/swaying-studies-scientific-research/32383-defense-swaying-part-1-a.html