Mother after 35

[Felicidad]

Hi for all of you. I’m new to the forum and want to share my story. Unfortunately, we with husband were face to face with infertility. It was awful but we had no time to cry because I’m 36 already and my husband is 39, that’s why we started to act immediately when our doctor made a diagnosis – infertility. We started to search everywhere, we read all information concerning this theme, read books, consulted, forums and articles in the Internet. We spent a lot of time. We live in Italy and some methods of reproductive medicine are forbidden here (methods without which we couldn’t become parents) and we faced one more problem - to find place where it is allowed. I found an article where I’ve read that one doctor in Italy a few years ago cooperated with one European clinic which provide services of egg donation and surrogacy motherhood. I don’t remember exactly what was written there further, I was just surprised that such things exist in our country. I was interested in this because it was our chance. The article was published long time ago but we had a great hope that we’ll find such doctor at our time. Of course, we didn’t completely believe in it because there are a lot of scammers at our time so, we needed to find some real confirmations and evidences. And again we spent a lot of time and strength but finally we found such doctor. From some reasons (because it is forbidden in Italy) I wouldn’t tell names, it doesn’t matter. So, we started our cooperation. For our surprise we found out that we are not alone in this situation, there were other infertility couples which also needed egg donors or surrogate mothers. During our first trip to the European clinic we got acquainted with doctors, I was examined, also we decided all legal points. Doctors decided the medical course and pointed the next appointment. When we came back my doctor controlled the process of stimulation, consulted us concerning all medicines and programs itself. When we go to clinic the second time doctor again examined me and made me embryo implantation, (the donor’s egg was inseminated by my husband’s sperm) I was implanted 3 embryos for the 5th day when my endometrium was 9 mm, in a few days after ultrasound examination doctor said that from 3 embryos 1 “took root”)))). Finally, everything was ok, all couples (there were 8 couples including us) had positive result. And for today’s day we have great, healthy baby.
I share this story because I know how much time it takes to find some useful information and right people. Maybe my post will help someone.

[atomic sagebrush]

Congratulations on your baby!

[Felicidad]

Thank you very much:flowerz:

[lara1673]

I’m very glad that there are stories with happy end. You and your husband went through the long and difficult way to achieve your aim and make your dreams come true. I wish everybody has so much courage, strength and persistence as you.
I wanted to ask about your diagnosis: what did your doctor told you? Can’t you use your own eggs without using of donated ones? There is a huge probability that your baby will not look like you and your hubby, but will resemble your donor!

[Felicidad]

I was diagnosed with POF. I don’t worry for the fact that baby will not be similar to me because the donor was matched to me according to my phenotype (with the same eyes and hair color as I have, the same face shape etc.) and my husband’s sperm was used for insemination, so the baby will have connection with father on the genetic level.

[atomic sagebrush]

I am a huge fan of donor eggs and I do not think you should worry one bit about that. I can delete that post if you would like, I think that was not a very nice thing to say.

[Leticia]

Thank you for sharing your story. I'm glad that you took right decision and now you are parents. I know that today with all progress of reproductive medicine it is easier to find some way out. As far as I Know egg donation process isn't allowed in all countries and it is a pity( Where did you do this procedure?

[Felicidad]

Agree that it is not fair to those woman who can't conceive naturally and are forced to use reproductive methods to complete the family. Unfortunately I also live in country where it is forbidden procedure, so our doctor (as I mentioned above) gathered a group of patients who needed this procedure and we together went to Ukraine for he procedure, there this is regulated by law.

[Felicidad]

I am glad that I can share my story with other woman. Yes, not in all countries it is allowed and unfortunately we with husband live in the country where it is forbidden. But our doctor gathered a group of infertile couples who need the procedure of egg donation and we all together went to Ukraine for the procedure. There it is regulated by law.

[SaraXY]

Are you kidding? It is looks like my story, you know. But we are from Germany. There it is also forbidden procedure, so our doc gathered group to travel to another country. There were 4 couples in the group. Before going there we went through stimulation, went to the clinic, made embryo transfer and went home. Is it the same clinic??? 0_o

[Felicidad]

Hi, Sara, I don't know weather it is the same one, you didn't mentioned the name of the clinic. We were in ********* clinic in Kiev. Probably, can say that I probably didn't like some services, such as our driver, we always wait for 15-20 minutes for him to go to the procedure, also meals...I don't know maybe it is because we just don't used to eat such things:think: So, where did you been? Here or in some other place?

[SaraXY]

Yes, it is the same one, lol ))) I'm really surprised...didn't expect to see someone here telling this story) Agree with the fact abt meals and yes, think we just don't used to eat such food))) when I was in Spain I also didn't like their meals a lot, so think it is matter of habits. The main point for me is that I came back home with positive result and doesn't matter what meals, accommodations, drivers etc. Don't you think so?

[Felicidad]

Of course I agree with you, I was ready eat nothing for a month but to have my cute and the most long - awaited baby, it doesn't matter what is going on around. I'm glad that there are very qualified specialists, doctors whose teacher was famous USA scientist in reproductive medicine Verlinskyi.

[Felicidad]

Agree with you, main point for us was to become parents and it doesn't matter what is going around. Also we found out that one of the doctor's teacher was Verlinskyi, one of the most famous scientists in reproductive medicine. I'm glad that I was in hands of such qualified doctor.

[Liza09]

hm...didn't know abt such schemes...is it real story? give pls your contacts or contacts of the clinic pls. I want to know details.

[Felicidad]

Hi, Liza. Clinic called ********* and is situated in Kiev (Ukraine). And where are you from? what procedure do you want to do? You should found out weather it is ok to do through your country.

[Liza09]

I'm from France. We have intention to do ivf with ED but in case of failure we will use services of surrogate mother. Does the clinic provide such services?

[Felicidad]

Yes, as far as I know they provide services of surrogate motherhood. I don't know exactly about the program itself but can give you cantacts where you can see everything with your own eyes if you need. Let me know if you need it.

[Leticia]

As for me UA is strange country for such procedure, but who knows....everything is moving forward and maybe it is ok now. But think I never ever dare to go there(

[Felicidad]

Somehow I can agree with you. Maybe conditions of leaving were not so great as we were said before. Really, I didn't used to live in such conditions (lol). But if to talk about medical side it was completely great. I am a mother now and no matter in what room we lived during 5 days. If to compare what we received after that...I can't even compare such things. What will you choose 5 days of living in not the best room and eat not the best meals but finally you will get pregnant and become mother after 8 years of trying and fails or to live in lux room to eat the best food but never ever take your baby in your arms? As for me this are uncomparable things.

[SaraXY]

You know, the main point I went there was guarantee!!! I agree that it is not the best country, not as developed as USA for example but they give real guarantees. I know other clinics which "have 80% success rate" and you go there, you did 5-7-9 ivf attempts and nothing...no result, at all, zero and there are 7 women like you with the same zero result after several attempts. Some clinics just lie to attract ppl. It is pity.

[Leticia]

I don't know, I'm not so stupid to believe in everything like this. Looks like some super place where all infertile woman become pregnant. It is funny you know? I agree that if to choose between child and conditions all of us will choose child and it doesn't matter where do u live and what do u eat. But I'm not sure if all this process is so easy.

[SaraXY]

it is your right not to believe. it is ok to be suspicious in such things. I also didn't believe at first but just we with DH decided to risk...it was our chance and we used it. It depend on the desire...I had dreams abt the child, I was thinking abt it all the time and taking this "guarantee package" was like lucky ticket.

[Leticia]

I don't know, maybe you really succeed and I'm happy for you! It is great if it is truth. Can you give me some more inf. links to the site or coordinates with whom I can talk?

[ever hopeful]

Leticia, I just googled the clinic as I have a friend irw, who is desperate for a baby, having failed IVF three times in the UK and a guarantee package would be perfect for her. Here's a link and they do seem to offer a guaranteed package with donor eggs for just under 10,000 Euro which is very cheap. They also appear to offer an all inclusive surrogacy packages for 30,000 Euro, which could obviuosly help some people on this site.

********* - Center for Reproductive Medicine (http://*********.com)

Obviously, the one downside of the clinic is its location in the Ukraine, so quite worrying travelling there given everything going on at the moment.

Would be interested to hear how anyone gets on contacting them as will pass the details to my friend.


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[Felicidad]

@Leticia yes, i can give you coordinates of the manager we worked with. Here is her fb page https://www.facebook.com/liticia.ganzales, phone:+308953726569, e-mil:*********ua@mail.ru, site: ********* - Center for Reproductive Medicine (http://*********.net)
It is the manager who helped us a lot and answered all our questions, so think you may ask her if you want to know smth. Hope it will help youXXX

[Leticia]

Thank you Felicidad. I really mailed the manager and searched through their site ********* - Center for Reproductive Medicine, think clinic is not bad as for me but still I don't completely believe))) as for me I more believe for example clinics in Spain. I know IEGRA clinic, they proved egg donation services on the very high level.

[lisvna]

There are more clinics in europe (czech republic for example) who offer donor eggs and even donor embryos. I don't know if they do genderselection on the embryo too if you like.....

[Felicidad]

of course, there are a lot of clinics all over the Europe which provides egg donation and surrogacy services. All of them are different. Think the process of choosing the clinic is a personal choice bcz for each couple different things play important roles. If to talk about egg donation for us it was important that ********* clinic works only with fresh material and one donor is matched only with one recipient. All donors are young woman, so we had more chances to get pregnant.
@Leticia IEGRA clinic is also good one, I've heard abt it too. If you don't believe Ukrainian service you can for sure go to Spain)))

[lisvna]

I contacted the clinic but unfortunate they don't perform PGD so you can't test chromosomes for diseases or gender.....

[Leticia]

with what clinic did you contact?

[Felicidad]

As for PGD, I know for sure that in ********* they do this procedure and in IEGRA too, so u'll have healthy child.

[Leticia]

Ok, we with DH was thinking a lot abt all this clinics, programs and everything else..and we decided that it is time to act. I contacted with Iegra manager and made an appointment. booked tickets to Spain already. have an appointment on the 30th of April. Will see how it will go. Wish us luck!)))

[Felicidad]

Wish u a lot of luck, dear!!!XXX It is great that you are so brave and decided to act at once. Hope you will succeed. Keep us posting!

[ann5]

can you provide me with some inf abt the program of egg donation in spanish clinic?

[Leticia]

The program costs 13900 euro includes 5 attempts in case when all 5 attempts will fail you will receive all your money back. Price includes drugs, tests, medical examination and donated eggs, of course.

[ann5]

oh, sounds great!
but what for these 5 attempts?if this clinic is so good then 1 or maximum 2 attempts are enough!you can spare money.

[Leticia]

think it doesn't depend on clinic, they just give more chances for less price if to compare with other clinics, also if they work with fresh material and this also grow your chances. It is just more attractive offer for me that I've seen. the fact of receiving money back is also a big plus for me.

[ann5]

you are right!
at least in case of failure the money will be saved!and you will have the opportunityto continue your journey.
but doesn't it sound strange and suspicious?

[SaraXY]

You know, if to take everything what is good like suspicious things u can loose your chance for positive result. In my story (posted at the beginning) there was no guarantee and only suspicious things lol))) but I decided to use each opportunity which I saw on my way and I didn't regret I used it bcz it helped me to complete my family.

[ann5]

yes, sometimes we loose opportunities bcz we are afraid sth will go wrong.
i appreciate that you manage to cope with your fear and in the end your dreams came true.

[Liza09]

@ann5 do u wanna go to the ED program in this Spanish clinic?

[ann5]

i'm thinking about this.
told my hubby abt it.
think it's great opportunity to complete our family.

[Felicidad]

it is great that u don't want to loose this oportunity. Think you will not regret if u go there. BTW follow your desires and listen to your heart!

[ann5]

today in the evening i will talk to my hubby once more and we will take final decision.will write you tomorrow.

[Liza09]

hi, ann how is your yesterday's talk with hubby?

[ann5]

hi Liza!!
thanx for your support.
yes we talked yesterday and took final decision!!
we are ready for our futher actions.
we would like to try this spanish clinic :)

[Liza09]

heeey, it is great, dear! I'm so glad for you! Cross fingers for your success. When do u wanna make an appointment?

[ann5]

i want to contact the manager first and ask when can i come. as for me i want as soon as possible. i really want to feel my little angel inside me.
could you provide me with the contact inf of the manager?

[Leticia]

Yes I contacted the manager Maria Cruz, here is her fb page where you can ask everything u want https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008188119648&fref=ts also u can mail here EggDonationSpain@yahoo.com
First I sked all questions by mail and than phoned and made an appointment.
We have appointment tomorrow!!!! Wish us luck))))

[ann5]

congrads!!
o glad for you!
wish your trip to be successful.
fingers crossed for you!:fx:
so nervous as i go there:nails:

[Leticia]

thanx dear)))) when I'll come back I'll tell you everything abt our first visit) I'm trying to calm down now and not to think abt it but can't, think u understand)

[Pinkdreamz]

Congratulations for your bub! And thank you for sharing!!

[ann5]

we are all with you!!!
praying for you in my thoughts!waiting for your coming back!!!

[Leticia]

Hi all! We came back after our first visit from IEGRA clinic :running: Everything was ok. We with hubby went through medical examination and got acquainted with doc who will pass us through our ivf program. So, i was prescribed with birth control pills to regulate my cycle, then i'll be able to be matched with my egg donor :happy: We came back so positive, both of us are full of happiness and positive thoughts:hug2:

[Leticia]

Hi all! We came back after our first visit from IEGRA clinic :running: Everything was ok. We with hubby went
through medical examination and got acquainted with doc who will pass us through our ivf program. So, i was prescribed with
birth control pills to regulate my cycle, then i'll be able to be matched with my egg donor :happy:
We came back so positive, both of us are full of happiness and positive thoughts:hug2:

[ann5]

so glad that everything went well!!!
have you seen your donor?

[Leticia]

Hey, thanx) no, I didn't. donation is anonymous but we had ability to see medical records of our donor, so it satisfied us. BTW the donor was matched according to phenotype. So, I can imagine how she looks like and know for sure she is totally healthy.

[ann5]

it's great that you have documentary proof of her state of health.
matched according to the phenotype?it's she looks like you?

[Leticia]

Yes, it means that she looks like me..the same hair/eyes colour, shape of face etc.

[ann5]

it's great!!!
it means that you can even not say that this baby was "done"through IVF with eggs of other woman.
:bluecheer:

[Leticia]

I don't know! It should be like this but if it wouldn't be like this I'll not regret) main point to be mother and colour of hair has no sense))

[Felicidad]

Hey, Leticia! My congrats for your! I'm glad that your first trip was ok) Where did you live?

[ann5]

tell us everything we are waiting for this!
it's better to hear the inf from the witness directly.

[Leticia]

Thank you, girls for congratulations. I've said already that everything was ok, we've got acquainted with our doc, went through medical examination. I liked the city a lot. we had some free time and had ability for a brief excursion around the city. concerning place of living, we booked a room in 3 stars hotel "Sunotel Aston". Nothing special but it was enough for us. We lived 2 days there, so didn't need something special)

[ann5]

and how much was your hotel?

[Leticia]

We paid 160 euro for 3 days and 2 nights per 2 persons. In average 50-55 euro/24h

[ann5]

and what abt prices on food and drink.
did it cost much for you?

[Leticia]

No, it is not so much. Prices are acceptable and of course, it depends on eating habits. We had no time to think about food there, so ate everything)))))

[ann5]

it's good that you didn't have time to think abt anything accept your procedure.

what abt the second visit?do you have an appointment?

[Felicidad]

Once again my congrats, Leticia! I'm so glad for you. Seems to me hotel is not so expensive if to take to consideration that you should stay there only 1-2 days. How long will you stay there during your second visit?

[Felicidad]

:kissy:

[Leticia]

thank you for congratulations, ladies. But the most important things are still waiting for us) Our second visit will be in 4-5 weeks. Our doc. will tell us when it will be high time to go. Yes hotel was ok and no so expensive, we were satisfied. The second visit will be 5-10 days.

[ann5]

great!that means that the procedure takes up to 5 weeks. and in case of success you will be pregnant and within 9 months you will become a happy mother!!:pregnant:

[Leticia]

I hope very much for success but also I'm ready to the first fail. I know I have 8 attempts, I know I have guarantee but somewhere deep inside I prepared that first attempt will fail( I know that it is not good to think like this but can do nothing with it. But I'm sure that till the end of the program I'll be a mother) It is for sure.

[ann5]

you know i read a lot of books abt psychology and all of them say that our thoughts have the tendention to change our life. and in what side - depends on our thoughts.
if we think that we will fail - we will, if we think that we will succeed-we will.

so don't think that your first attempt will fail and everything will be good.

[Leticia]

Thanx, I will try to change my attitude to the situation. I know that there are no reasons to think that everything will be bad even vice versa. I always think that people need psychologist after the fail but as I see I also need before the procedure)

[ann5]

maybe it's a great idea.
and remember that you shouldn't be worry bcz it can spoil everything and be the reason for failure.

[Felicidad]

I don't know weather it is needed now to go to the specialist but if you feel you need it, surely you should go. I support ann and agree that our thoughts make our life. Be positive, hun!!!

[Leticia]

Thank you all that you tell me all these, it helped me and now I'm trying to look at it from the other side. We took a few days off and went with hubby to the picnic)) It was great time. We went through difficult times and this picnic was the first great moment after all that dark times.

[ann5]

maybe it's worth to go somewhere and to do sth like this picnic all the time during the period of waiting?

[Felicidad]

it is good that you found time to divert yourself) it is right step. Also it is great that you have good hubby by your side, think he is also nervous a bit))) Future daddy:giggle:

[Leticia]

:bigsmile: yes, future daddy. You know, I only now, after reading previous post, thought that he also can be nervous. All this time I thought about myself...uhhhhh, I'm egoist!!! Today will talk with my DH about his feelings!

[ann5]

it can be even more difficult for him to go through all this.
he also wants to be a daddy and he wants to succeed as you want. he afraids to fail as you afraid but he also afraids for you.and this doubles his stress.

[Leticia]

we talked yesterday. I prepared romantic dinner and asked him to tell about his feelings concerning the situation. He was glad I asked) Told me that didn't want to overwhelmed me with his emotions because I have more emotions, feelings and thoughts than he. I regret that I didn't do it earlier but I glad you helped me to see that I should do it. I supported him a lot yesterday and seems to me we are closer now:happycouple:

[ann5]

pleasant to hear that everything is good and you understood that both of you need support bcz you worry the same.
wish you to succeed and support each other no matter what happens.

[Leticia]

Yes) I'm happy wife to have such a great hubby. Hope this IEGRA clinic will make a miracle for us and we will finally complete our family.

[ann5]

i'm very glad for you!you are a brave woman who didn't afraid and who is ready for everything to achieve your aim.

[Felicidad]

Well done, Leticia! :bighug: it is so sweet that you with your DH are so close. I wanted to ask abt your program. When they make a transfer for the 3rd or for the 5th day?

[Leticia]

:bighug: yes it is sweet) like during the honeymoon) transfer is for the 5th day.

[ann5]

oh!as far as i know it is called blastocyst.
not many clinics do the transfer on the 5th day.
the majority does on the 3d.
it is said that the transfer is more successfull on the 5th day.
so the success rate should be high here.

[Leticia]

:hug2: thanx for being with me here. Yes, i also hear that for the 5th day it is better than for the 3rd one. Everything shows that we have good chances :fx:

[ann5]

:bighug:we are with you.
how many embryous are trasfered at a time?

[Leticia]

3 embryos for one cycle. It is possible to have twins :DS::DD:

[ann5]

and if all 3 will survive???how do you think is it possible?:think:

[Felicidad]

Of course, it can be like this. But as usual if 3 was transferred 2 or 1 settled down....sometimes 0 :sad: But often women have twins and it is great. But if there is a danger that according to the health conditions woman can't carry twins doctor should do removal.

[ann5]

removal????:think:
don't you think it's murder?

[atomic sagebrush]

ok whoa let's just hold the phone right here.

Many clinics have moved away from implanting more than one embryo and never more than two to reduce risks of higher order multiples (remember, sometimes embryos can split with HT and end up as identical twins as well) and it's probably never a good idea to put back more than you want.

Selective reduction is not something to take lightly because it has serious risks to ALL the babies. It should only be done in case of serious need. A few women have had to do SR on here because they had no choice to save one of their babies instead of losing them both. They were very sad about having to do this and don't need to read negative things when they had no other options.

Let's all just take a step back and let this one go without fighting over it, ok???

[Leticia]

Agree that reduction it is not an easy thing and should be done only in case of a big need. Our clinic can transfer not more than three but we decided to transfer two embryos. I don't mind to have two babies and together with it we double our chances to have at least one baby.

[ann5]

sorry if i offended omeone here!
i agree that removal is done only in case of big need.and it done for saving the life of other embryo or the life of woman.

[Felicidad]

It is the sphere where sometimes we should take hard decisions. But before doing such important procedures woman should understand all risks for herself and determine particular actions in particular cases just for herself and just in case.

[ann5]

yes it's hard decision but we should take it.

how are you, Leticia?

[Leticia]

thanx ann, I'm mostly ok. Sometimes nervous and feel myself not the best way but I'm trying to keep myself calm and think about our future baby. Doc. said that it is not good to be nervous during the period of preparation for the procedure. hubby support me as he can and I'm thankful him for that)

[ann5]

you are lucky to have such a hubby near you!!!
take care of him and yourself.
the doc is right. you should be calm and strong.
think positively and everything will be good.

[Leticia]

hi. Today I'm ok, better than yesterday) we had romantic dinner yesterday and I slept well, as a child) so, today I'm full of strength and energy) Have app. today. My doc will make some tests and check whether everything is ok. I feel myself good and think everything will be great.

[Felicidad]

it is always great to have devoted ppl by your side. It is hard to go through such things alone or with person who is indifferent to your feelings and dreams. We shroud appreciate all good people around us and excuse those whoa are not so good with us.

[SugarSasha]

Thank you Felicidad. I really mailed the manager and searched through their site ********* - Center for Reproductive Medicine, think clinic is not bad as for me but still I don't completely believe))) as for me I more believe for example clinics in Spain. I know IEGRA clinic, they proved egg donation services on the very high level.
Hi Leticia, Felicidad and all the forum members!
What I want to say - it's that there are a lot of different and really good clinics in the world. When I was looking for one - I just got confused - so many of them and a lot of them have quite descent feedback. And I spent a lot of time dealing with that information, but eventually on one of the forums I found a post about non-profit surrogacy and ivf consulting organization called Happy family (About Us - Happy Family - Surrogacy and IVF consulting (http://surrogacyinfo.net)) and their managers helped me to find my way to my baby - and I really appreciate their work.
In this case I can tell you - both clinics have really excellent reviews and I believe it's just the matter of convenience and personal attitude to this or that country and way of service.

[Leticia]

hi. Today I'm ok, better than yesterday) we had romantic dinner yesterday and I slept well, as a child) so, today I'm full of strength and energy) Have app. today. My doc will make some tests and check whether everything is ok. I feel myself good and think everything will be great.

[ann5]

think that everything is good and it will be!!!
we are together with you!
god bless you.
tell us abt your results!

[Felicidad]

Do you have your app. today?

[Leticia]

Yes, today. I'll write you back after the app.:fx:

[ann5]

we are waiting for the result!

[Leticia]

So, our. app was ok. Doc. check everything results of the tests are good. Organism has good reaction to the meds. Endometrium grows.

[ann5]

did your doc tell you what should be the thickness of endometrium and what you have?

[Leticia]

Yes, till the end of the preparation for the transfer my endometrium should be not less than 10mm, it is the best thickness for the embryo to stick.

[ann5]

and how do you feel?do you feel some changes in your organism?

[Leticia]

You know, I feel myself good, seems to me no great changes in the organism, sometimes feel something unusual but no special changes.

[ann5]

so the preparation goes well?
nice to hear this.
how many times do you visit your gynecologist?

[Leticia]

yes, doc said everything is ok :running: not so often. doc says when I should come, probably during a month I visited him 2 times. Of course, if i have questions I can call him or the manager of IEGRA clinic. They are always available.

[ann5]

do you know anything abt your donor's stimulation?

[Leticia]

No, I asked once and I was said that doctors there control the process of donor's stimulation and everything will be ok.

[ann5]

will you be informed when the stimulation is finished before hand?

[Leticia]

Of course. All the process is controlled by managers and doctors. When the donor will be ready for egg collection and I'll have endometrium not less than 10 mm we'll go for 3-5 days to the transfer.

[ann5]

and where will you stay this 3-5 days?

[Leticia]

Don't know, think will stay at the same hotel as during the first visit.

[ann5]

was it good?

[Leticia]

yes, for 1-2 days it is ok. probably second visit will be 3-5 days not s much.

[Leticia]

yes. it was ok if to live 1-2 days. Our second visit will take only 3-5 days, so think it will be ok. No need to search for smth else.

[emma07]

what is the difference where to live when you are going to live there only for 3 days?
i think the habitation is not so important.

[reckless23]

hi, I am new on this site. the story impressed me and I am looking forward to hear the positive results from you.

[Leticia]

Hi, girls) welcome reckless =)
As for apartment I agree that it is not so important where to live for a few days. Our second visit will last for 3-5 days only, so no need to search for some other place of living.

[ann5]

when will be your second visit?

[Leticia]

Pretty soon) in a week or two. Soon I'll be ready, my endometrium is 8mm already. The manager should call and tell how is my donor and when the plan to do egg collection. BTW not so long time to wait :nails:

[Leticia]

Pretty soon, in a week or two. The manager will call me and say when they plan egg collection. I'm probably ready. My endometrium will be thick enough in a week, so the most important time is coming :nails:

[ann5]

don't be nervous it can couse harm on your health!!

[Leticia]

So, manager called we are going to the transfer at the 4th of June. Our donor is ready, my endometrium is also thick enough. So are waiting for the D-day :fami01:

[ann5]

pretty soon!
i wish you good luck and be waiting for your comming back!
will you go there for 3 days? am i right?

[Leticia]

Yes, you are completely right. Our second visit will last 3 days.
I'm also hope for BFP))) :pregnant:
I know that it is our first transfer and we have 7 more chances to get positive result but I want so much to be pg after the first one. I can't believe that if everything will be ok and we'll succeed, I'll be pg so soon))))

[Leticia]

Yes, we will stay there for a 3 days. It will be TOMORROW!!!!!:omg: Cant wait, so excited :rolleyes:
will update you.

[Leticia]

So, THIS day came!!! We are hear already...waiting for the procedure. Pray for me girls. Will update you when everything will be done.

[Felicidad]

:fx: Praying for you, dear!!!! Just do it :bigsmile:

[ann5]

i'm also with you, darling!!!!
everything will be alright!

[Felicidad]

So...everything is ok. Transfer is done already. Don't know how to feel...:rolleyes:on one hand I'm very happy but on the other hand 2ww is waiting for us. Seems that 2 weeks is an infinite time, even 2 hours of waiting is too long for me.....we are still here but soon will go home.

[Leticia]

So...everything is ok. Transfer is done already. Don't know how to feel...:rolleyes:on one hand I'm very happy but on the other hand 2ww is waiting for us. Seems that 2 weeks is an infinite time, even 2 hours of waiting is too long for me.....we are still here but soon will go home.

[Leticia]

Hi, all!!!! We are at home already)) Our transfer procedure was ok, so now we have 2ww. It is so hard to wait!!!! I'm full of hope to have BFP! :ttcgirl:

[Leticia]

Hi, ladies! We are at home already. The transfer procedure was ok) have 2 ww now) so hard to wait....

[ann5]

maybe it is worth not to think abt it?
let it just pass...
try to do something else.

[Leticia]

easy to say) I'm trying, but hear only "yes" or "no" in my head :rolleyes:

[ann5]

don't you think to visit some friends or relatives whom you saw long ago?
this will allow to travel a bit and meet with ppl and you will forget abt all this for a while at least.

[Leticia]

All my family is here with me) I'm ok completely and have enough time to divert myself. Read books, were on the picnic on Sunday, yesterday went to the cinema) but still I'm thinking about it, think it is normal and not so much time left to wait)))) We will manage to cope with all the excitement )))

[ann5]

see the smile on your face!!!!it's a good sign!!
you are on the right road!!continue, dear!!!

[Leticia]

lets wait together! I'm glad I have all of you hear!:celebrate:

[ann5]

i believe everything will be great!!!!
let's pray together.

[Leticia]

Guess what???? I HAVE BFP :omg::omg::omg:
Can't believe!!!! I can't believe!!!!!! :running:

[The Anchor]

OMG! CONGRATS!!!

[ann5]

congratulations dear!!!!
i'm so glad for you!!!!!!
how are you feeling???
what does your doc say?

[Leticia]

The biggest and the strongest feeling is happiness!!!!:bigsmile: Feel myself ok, doctor said will do some more tests next week but now everything is ok, need more time pass to know more inf.)))

[ann5]

i'm so glad for your happiness.
your dreams are comming true!!!!!
we shouldn't give up !!never!

[Leticia]

Yes, you are right!) Now it is the new phase. Clinic gave us guarantee till the 12th week of pregnancy, so during this time I should also take meds ...

[ann5]

what kind of meds?

[Leticia]

for today's day I take vitamin E and folic acid, it is not actually meds) but doc said I'll take something else in some time.

[ann5]

what do you need them for?

[Leticia]

embryos still need support, so for them to grow and develop normally.

[ann5]

i see.
do women usually take them or it is only for those who went through egg donation program?

[Leticia]

Depends on the situation. the process of carrying doesn't differ when woman conceived naturally and when woman went through egg donation. Woman which conceived naturally also may need some hormonal support for foetus.

[ann5]

so that is normal, right?
bcz my friends who have babies they only ate healthy food and took some vitamins.

[Leticia]

It is normal for woman to eat healthy food and not only because of being pregnant but always not to have problems with health but unfortunately today we have rather fast rhythm of life so often forget about healthy life style.
But when woman is infertile and it is not so easy to get pregnant she should be more careful with her health and everything what is going on around. I want my baby to be healthy and happy, so follow all doctor's prescriptions. Tomorrow will go to the appointment, to check everything. Nothing special just visit in case)))

[ann5]

wish everything be ok!
so do you know whom will you have?or it's too early?
and what abt gender?do you want a boy or a girl?

[Leticia]

You know, I understand that it doesn't matter now whom I'll have boy or girl) When you wait for a child for so long gender is not the main point.
No, I don't know yet whom I'll have but soon I'll know.

[ann5]

do you want to have twins?

[Leticia]

Yes, it will be double happiness)) I don't mind, i just will be happy to be a mother) Of course, I don't know how it will be from the medical side but if there will be such ability to have twins my doc will say if it is ok for my health and for health of babies)

[ann5]

when will you know this?
i know that when it's known that there would be twins and it can harm woman the reduction should be done as soon as possible.

[Leticia]

Yes, it is true. I don't know yet whom I have but if I'll be pregnant with twins I have ability to carry both of them.

[ann5]

it's great!!!!then wish you to be pregnant with twins!!!!
double miracle!!!!:flowerz:

[Leticia]

you are right, double miracle) On Monday will do HCG test once again to confirm pregnancy)

[Rina_Barrowman]

Hello, dear forum members. I'm new here. Your stories inspire a lot, so I also decided to do ivf procedure and I need donated eggs. What clinic can you recommend?

[Leticia]

Hi, Rina! You are welcome to the forum, feel free being here! I'm sorry to hear you have a problem with conceiving a child but wanna say it is not the end and you should find the way out. What diagnosis do you have?

[ann5]

you are right, double miracle) On Monday will do HCG test once again to confirm pregnancy)
wish you good luck!!!!
keep us updated!!

[Clea_Lerman]

hello everyone. I've registrated here recently and looking for some information abt the IVF procedure. Don't you mind if I join your discussion?

[Leticia]

you are welcome, ladies! I'll be glad if you'll find something useful for yourself. feel free asking questions)
I did hcg test yesterday to confirm my pregnancy, level grew since last time and that means that I'll be the mother :crawl:

[ann5]

what was your level?

[Leticia]

it was 156 mIU/ml but now think it is grew already bcz it usually doubles every 48-72 hours)

[Rina_Barrowman]

Leticia, great news! You're on the IVF programm , right?

[Leticia]

Yes, I was, now I'm pregnant, waiting for my little miracle :fami03:

[ann5]

what are your next steps?

[Rina_Barrowman]

that's so wonderful! Where did you do the procedure?

[Leticia]

@ann As for the next step...probably main things are done already. Now we should carefully watch after me and future baby, in 2 weeks will do ultrasound to see how many heartbeats) Hope for two)))

[Leticia]

@Rina, I did IVF with donated eggs in IEGRA TRES TORRES clinic.

[ann5]

@ann As for the next step...probably main things are done already. Now we should carefully watch after me and future baby, in 2 weeks will do ultrasound to see how many heartbeats) Hope for two)))
and if there will be three?

[Rina_Barrowman]

@Rina, I did IVF with donated eggs in IEGRA TRES TORRES clinic.

where is it?

[Leticia]

and if there will be three?
Probably I didn't think about triples)) But it will be like this I'll be happy) I understand 3 at once it is rather many but...think we'll cope with it)

[Leticia]

where is it?

Clinic itself is situated in Barcelona (Spain)

[ann5]

Probably I didn't think about triples)) But it will be like this I'll be happy) I understand 3 at once it is rather many but...think we'll cope with it)

many ppl scary to have three at once.
but i think it's said not abt us (ppl ttc for many years with no result).

[Willow_O'Kiff]

Clinic itself is situated in Barcelona (Spain)

Why did you go there?

[Leticia]

many ppl scary to have three at once.
but i think it's said not abt us (ppl ttc for many years with no result).
People are different and someone is ready for surprises someone no, but it is a real gift to be parents and if you are given more than two at once and they are healthy children it is great I think. I don't say it will be easy, of course it is not but it is worth not to sleep enough and to grow YOUR children, your continuation of the family, for happy old age and future grandchildren))))

[Leticia]

Why did you go there?

I consider it like good fertility clinic. I suffered from infertility and the most of all I wanted to be a mother, I wanted my husband to be called "father" and we used ivf procedure as a way out and it worked and we are really happy now)

[Rina_Barrowman]

Clinic itself is situated in Barcelona (Spain)
What is a reason you chose this clinic?

[Leticia]

I found there good program with suitable conditions for us, from the medical and financial aspect as well, so decided that it will be the best variant for us.

[ann5]

People are different and someone is ready for surprises someone no, but it is a real gift to be parents and if you are given more than two at once and they are healthy children it is great I think. I don't say it will be easy, of course it is not but it is worth not to sleep enough and to grow YOUR children, your continuation of the family, for happy old age and future grandchildren))))
i think you are right!
god bless you and your future children

[Rina_Barrowman]

I found there good program with suitable conditions for us, from the medical and financial aspect as well, so decided that it will be the best variant for us. Interesting...What is the program? What is so attractive in it?

[Leticia]

@Thank you, ann)
@Rina, program includes 8 ivf cycles for the fixed price and price is only 14900 euro for all 8 tries and in case if all 8 failures clinic will give back money.

[Rina_Barrowman]

@Rina, program includes 8 ivf cycles for the fixed price and price is only 14900 euro for all 8 tries and in case if all 8 failures clinic will give back money.
So, even if I get pregnant from the 1st attempt, I'll have to pay for 8

[Leticia]

you pay for program, hun) some clinics for example offer similar programs which include for example 3 attempts and no refunding of sum, some programs include 2 attempts and medicines...there are variety of programs which differ from simple ivf cycle and it is important to understand that you pay not for a cycle but for whole program and all services which are included into this program.

[Caspy]

@Thank you, ann)
@Rina, program includes 8 ivf cycles for the fixed price and price is only 14900 euro for all 8 tries and in case if all 8 failures clinic will give back money.

really an excellent offer, moreover the guarantees are excellent too! 8 attempts it's a great chance! worth to try)

[Rina_Barrowman]

you pay for program, hun) some clinics for example offer similar programs which include for example 3 attempts and no refunding of sum, some programs include 2 attempts and medicines...there are variety of programs which differ from simple ivf cycle and it is important to understand that you pay not for a cycle but for whole program and all services which are included into this program. And medecine? Is a price of medecine included in a total price?

[Eva888]

you pay for program, hun) some clinics for example offer similar programs which include for example 3 attempts and no refunding of sum, some programs include 2 attempts and medicines...there are variety of programs which differ from simple ivf cycle and it is important to understand that you pay not for a cycle but for whole program and all services which are included into this program.
And what about the staff of the clinic? is it highly qualified?

[Leticia]

@ Rina, yes medicines are included into the price and it makes the program more beneficial.

[Leticia]

@Eva, I can't tell you about all stuff but those doctor, manager and nurses with whom I worked are qualified and very helpful, so I'm completely satisfied with their work.

[Rina_Barrowman]

@ Rina, yes medicines are included into the price and it makes the program more beneficial.
Really beneficial. And what else is included into the price?

[Anny5]

@Eva, I can't tell you about all stuff but those doctor, manager and nurses with whom I worked are qualified and very helpful, so I'm completely satisfied with their work.

my high school friend was in the process of IVF in this clinic, the staff iis really great! very responsive and kind) and most importantly qualified!

[Caspy]

my high school friend was in the process of IVF in this clinic, the staff iis really great! very responsive and kind) and most importantly qualified!

and from what attempt your school friend was able to get pregnant? who was born?))

[Clea_Lerman]

my high school friend was in the process of IVF in this clinic, the staff iis really great! very responsive and kind) and most importantly qualified!
What else has she told you abt the clinic?

[Anny5]

and from what attempt your school friend was able to get pregnant? who was born?))
Hi @Caspy! she got pregnant from 3th attempt)) now she is a mother of a wonderful girl) she just delighted with the level of development of medicine in Spain and the quality of the result. it was not her first attempt of getting pregnant with IVF , she had 2 before but in other clinics. it gave no result, but in Tres Torres IEGRA clinic from 3th attempt! so don't give up!

[Anny5]

What else has she told you abt the clinic?

she was in awe of everything that was happening to her in the clinic. great service, qualified staff and Barcelona!!)) she became a mother and there was nothing to be unhappy about))

[Leticia]

@Rina price includes 8 ivf attempts with fresh eggs, medicine, donated egg themselves, meeting at the airport and bringing to the place of living, services of an interpreter. Couple pay only for tickets, place of living, food...and tests which couple should do at home before the starting of the program, probably tests cost not so much especially when you do it at your place of living.

[Leticia]

@Anny, I'm so glad for you friend, i also succeed in IEGRA clinic and I'm pregnant now, tomorrow will do ultrasound to know how many heartbeats)))So, excited))))

[Rina_Barrowman]

@Rina price includes 8 ivf attempts with fresh eggs, medicine, donated egg themselves, meeting at the airport and bringing to the place of living, services of an interpreter. Couple pay only for tickets, place of living, food...and tests which couple should do at home before the starting of the program, probably tests cost not so much especially when you do it at your place of living. Is there some list of tests which should be done?

[Clea_Lerman]

she was in awe of everything that was happening to her in the clinic. great service, qualified staff and Barcelona!!)) she became a mother and there was nothing to be unhappy about))
Yes, it is the biggest happiness in the world! But still, maybe the clinic has some disadvantages? I really like what they offer, but I must know what to be ready for before starting

[Leticia]

@ Rina of course, manager will send you the list with tests you should do.

[Leticia]

@Clea Each person accepts things and events differently, so it is hard to tell about some advantages and disadvantages...the program itself is really beneficial, as for me doctors are qualified and staff is helpful but again it depends on a person and on what you wait form doctor, staff and service in whole. I can say only as I see it and I see it as a good place to go)))))

[Eva888]

Yes, it is the biggest happiness in the world! But still, maybe the clinic has some disadvantages? I really like what they offer, but I must know what to be ready for before starting
And here it is human nature! we always try to find something bad absolutely in everything!) well, there just must be hidden a spoon of tar)) maybe it's just a great clinic with professional doctors and equipment?) and that's all))

[Rina_Barrowman]

@ Rina of course, manager will send you the list with tests you should do.
And how much time will it take? I mean, doing tests and getting results

[Clea_Lerman]

And here it is human nature! we always try to find something bad absolutely in everything!) well, there just must be hidden a spoon of tar)) maybe it's just a great clinic with professional doctors and equipment?) and that's all))
That would be amazing if it's true. And it is not a human nature, it is our world's nature! The hidden spoon of tar is everywhere and it's better to define it before the joke is on you

[Leticia]

@Rina, did you make a decision to go to the clinic? you can make an app by phone. Just to call manager and ask abt available date and time.
Today i'm going to do ultrasound to see whether I have 1 or 2 babies))

[Rina_Barrowman]

@Rina, did you make a decision to go to the clinic? you can make an app by phone. Just to call manager and ask abt available date and time.
Today i'm going to do ultrasound to see whether I have 1 or 2 babies))
I stiil doubt and want to find out everything before I start. Of course, I can talk to the manager. And I think I will But still opnions of people who have already gone much further than me on this way is very important for me. That's why I'm asking you

Tell us abt the result of your ultrasound

[Leticia]

@Rina, i can surely say that clinic is reliable, i succeed there. all procedures were done in a good way, eerything was ok I and my hubby are completely satisfied.
Did ultrasound yesterday))))) they saw two sticked embryos)))):babygirl::BabyBoy:

[Rina_Barrowman]

@Rina, i can surely say that clinic is reliable, i succeed there. all procedures were done in a good way, eerything was ok I and my hubby are completely satisfied.
Did ultrasound yesterday))))) they saw two sticked embryos)))):babygirl::BabyBoy:
And it is great! Really happy for you!

[ann5]

@Rina, i can surely say that clinic is reliable, i succeed there. all procedures were done in a good way, eerything was ok I and my hubby are completely satisfied.
Did ultrasound yesterday))))) they saw two sticked embryos)))):babygirl::BabyBoy:
my congrads dear!!!so happy for you!!!
i'm sure you will be good mother of twins:)
whom do you want?boys or girls?

[oncue]

Congrats!

[Clea_Lerman]

@Rina, i can surely say that clinic is reliable, i succeed there. all procedures were done in a good way, eerything was ok I and my hubby are completely satisfied.
Did ultrasound yesterday))))) they saw two sticked embryos)))):babygirl::BabyBoy:

two?! That's awersome! Double awersome! Congrats!

[Leticia]

thank you, girls))) I still can't believe )))) Every morning I wake up with a smile and it is so great, life is full with new emotions and feelings and the main point is that all these emotions and feelings are positive:flowerz:

[Clea_Lerman]

thank you, girls))) I still can't believe )))) Every morning I wake up with a smile and it is so great, life is full with new emotions and feelings and the main point is that all these emotions and feelings are positive:flowerz:
You suffered a lot and deserve living happy life full of positive emotions! Really glad for you!

[Leticia]

thanks, dear! I've never thought that i can be soooo happy) but still I should admit I have some fears that something can go wrong, it is only the beginning of the pregnancy and there is still so much time left and I pray every day for my children, I'm with them only 4 weeks but love them as if I live with them my whole life:wink:

[ann5]

thanks, dear! I've never thought that i can be soooo happy) but still I should admit I have some fears that something can go wrong, it is only the beginning of the pregnancy and there is still so much time left and I pray every day for my children, I'm with them only 4 weeks but love them as if I live with them my whole life:wink:

i'm not surpriced that you have such feeling bcz you achieved your aim and your dreams came true!you are pregnant the feelings that pregnant woman has are unbelievable.

[Rina_Barrowman]

thanks, dear! I've never thought that i can be soooo happy) but still I should admit I have some fears that something can go wrong, it is only the beginning of the pregnancy and there is still so much time left and I pray every day for my children, I'm with them only 4 weeks but love them as if I live with them my whole life:wink:
It is absolutely natural to worrry in such case. Every mother wants to protect her children and to be sure that they are alright. But try not to worry a lot, it is not good for your health and your kids' health

[Leticia]

I'm trying not to worry) seems to me I managed) Now i am still on the program till the 8th week of pregnancy. Wanted to ask whether it is enough time (8 weeks) for the fetus to be hormonally supported? Bcz I know clinics where guarantee till the 12th week is given. I wonder what is the difference?

[ann5]

i heard that usually hormonal support shuld be 12 week until the embryo begins to produce hormons itself.

[Leticia]

I know that it is ok, majority of clinics don't provide any guarantee at all, so i'm lucky to have what I have.

[Rina_Barrowman]

I know that it is ok, majority of clinics don't provide any guarantee at all, so i'm lucky to have what I have. Agree with you. 8 weeks guarantee is much better than nothing.

[ann5]

i heard that in some clinics that also give guarantee it isup to the 12th week.

[Leticia]

yes, there are such clinics and it is good option but the clinic which provide guarantee till the 12th week (we found one like this) is situated so far away and we decided to agree for 8 weeks guarantee program in IEGRA was more beneficial for us.

[Rina_Barrowman]

yes, there are such clinics and it is good option but the clinic which provide guarantee till the 12th week (we found one like this) is situated so far away and we decided to agree for 8 weeks guarantee program in IEGRA was more beneficial for us.

And as I see, you don't regret. How are you now?

[ann5]

how one can regret???when she has bfp:ballerina:

[Rina_Barrowman]

how one can regret???when she has bfp:ballerina: Yes, result is the most important! :flowerz:

[Leticia]

I'm ok, thank you very much!!! of course, I don't regret! I'm the happiest mother in the world. we grow every day, it is amazing process:bluecheer:

[Rina_Barrowman]

I'm ok, thank you very much!!! of course, I don't regret! I'm the happiest mother in the world. we grow every day, it is amazing process:bluecheer:
Yes, it is an absolute happiness! Do you have to take some meds now or it's already unneccessary?

[ann5]

think it should be hormonal support? am i right?

[Rina_Barrowman]

I also think so. But I also wanna go through the procedure, that's why I need define everything exactly: what meds should be taken and how long

[Leticia]

Medicines for hormonal support should be prescribed according to the own hormonal level, so it is individual procedure. As for me I take progesterone for good embryo development (bcz if there is low level of progesterone it can cause miscarriage), folic acid and vitamin E. Will take all this 4 weeks more. As for you think there should be some personal prescription for you.

[Rina_Barrowman]

Medicines for hormonal support should be prescribed according to the own hormonal level, so it is individual procedure. As for me I take progesterone for good embryo development (bcz if there is low level of progesterone it can cause miscarriage), folic acid and vitamin E. Will take all this 4 weeks more. As for you think there should be some personal prescription for you. I understand that everything is individual and that's why all the medical tests should be done before the start. And what are you going to do after these 4 weeks? Will your pregnancy be controlled by specialists?