Complete PINK Swaying Statistics Spreadsheet Info and Links to enter your sway

[blueeyedguys]

If you use this spreadsheet to help plan your sway, PLEASE give us your results when you get them so we can continue to improve things.We want to continue to improve the accuracy of these results for everyone swaying in future.

We have moved these links to their own forums. There is now a section on the site that contains all the links for entering your sway, seeing the spreadsheet with the current results and then reading the individual details of each sway from the data we collect. You can find the links here-

Add your Girl Sway! (http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway-/)

Please note: Even if you do everything that was successful for someone else, you may still get a boy. There are no guarantees, these stats are merely for informational purposes and so people can get some ideas from what worked for other people. These stats are constantly changing as more sways are added. Also note, the fewer sways using a particular swaying tactic, the less reliable the stats for it.

Updated Mar 22/20

Total sways: 589
Total pink: 414
Success %: 70.29%

TTC CYCLES
Success, cycles= 3.1542
Opposites, cycles= 2.7168

MULTIPLES
Total multiples= 24

PERSONALISED PLAN
Total sways: 186
Total success: 127
Success %: 68.28%
Inverse success %: 0

VITEX
Total sways: 141
Total success: 77
Success %: 54.61%
Inverse success %: 0

SAW PALMETTO
Total sways: 97
Total success: 56
Success %: 57.73%
Inverse success %: 0

ANTIHISTAMINES
Total sways: 226
Total success: 137
Success %: 60.62%
Inverse success %: 0

CRANBERRY OR ASPIRIN
Total sways: 249
Total success: 167
Success %: 67.07%
Inverse success %: 0

CRANBERRY AND ASPIRIN
Total Sways 10
Total Success 8
Success % 80%
Inverse Success %

CRANBERRY (specifically)
Total sways: 64
Total success: 41
Success %: 64.06%

ASPIRIN (specifically)
Total sways: 150
Total success: 100
Success %: 66.67%

REPLENS/REPHRESH
Total sways: 163
Total success: 103
Success %: 63.19%
Inverse success %: 0

LIME/DOUCHE
Total sways: 26
Total success: 17
Success %: 65.38%
Inverse success %: 0

JUMP & DUMP
Total sways: 247
Total success: 159
Success %: 64.37%
Inverse success %: 0

CAL+MAG
Total sways: 122
Total success: 86
Success %: 70.49%
Inverse success %: 0

PREGNITUDE
Total sways: 18
Total success: 17
Success %: 94.44%
Inverse success %: 0

CLOMID
Total sways: 86
Total success: 63
Success %: 73.26%
Inverse success %: 0

SOY ISOFLAVONES
Total sways: 22
Total success: 13
Success %: 59.09%
Inverse success %: 0

OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT for DH
Total sways: 86
Total success: 61
Success %: 70.93%
Inverse success %: 0

LIQ. ROOT for DH
Total sways: 117
Total success: 37
Success %: 31.62%
Inverse success %: 0

CRANBERRY/ASPIRIN for DH
Total sways: 114
Total success: 72
Success %: 63.16%
Inverse success %: 0

Cranberry for Dh 24
Total Succes 16
Success % 66.67%
Inverse Success %

Aspirin for Dh 2
Total Success 2
Success % 100%
Inverse Success %

CAL+MAG for DH
Total Sways: 29
Total Success: 19
Success % 65.52%
Inverse Success % 0

CAFFEINE
Total sways (Some and Lots): 205
Total success: 299
Success %: 68.56%
Inverse success %: 0

CAFFEINE - none 64
Total Success 29
Success % 45.31%

CAFFEINE - some 189
Total Success 124
Success % 65.61%

CAFFEINE - lots 43
Total Success 31
Success % 72.09%

SUGAR
Total sways (Some and Lots): 202
Total success: 288
Success %: 70.14%
Inverse success %:

SUGAR - none 55
Total Success 29
Success % 52.73%

Sugar - a little 56
Total Success 48
Success % 85.71%

SUGAR - some 182
Total Success 124
Success % 68.13%

SUGAR - lots 50
Total Success 31
Success % 62%

Aspartame - all sways
Total sways 112
Total success 158
Success % 70.89%
Inverse success %

Aspartame - none 74
Total success: 55
Success %: 74.32%

Aspartame - a little 48
Total success: 34
Success %: 70.83%

Aspartame - some 48
Total success: 51
Success %: 73.91%

Aspartame - lots 41
Total success: 27
Success %: 65.85%

OLD WIVES TALES
Total sways: 209
Total success: 138
Success %: 66.03%
Inverse success %: 0

ACIDPHIOUS
Total sways: 45
Total success: 21
Success %: 46.67%
Inverse success %: 0

FERTILITY CHARM/SPELL
Total sways: 21
Total success: 13
Success %: 61.9%
Inverse success %: 0

FIBRE
Total sways: 206
Total success: 140
Success %: 67.96%
Inverse success %: 0

ACIGEL/SYLK
Total sways: 113
Total success: 77
Success %: 68.14%
Inverse success %: 0

SKIPPING BREAKFAST
No: Total Sways 80
Total Success 53
Success % 66.25%

Yes: Total Sways 274
Total Success 175
Success % 63.87%

Some days: Total Sways 20
Total Success 17
Success % 85%

Most days: Total Sways 39
Total Success 30
Success % 76.92%

Everyday: Total Sways 126
Total Success 92
Success % 73.02%

EXERCISE
Total sways: 192
Total success: 140
Success %: 72.92%
Inverse success %: 0

FIRST CYCLE AFTER MC
Total sways: 34
Total success: 26
Success %: 76.47%
Inverse success %: 0

BREASTFEEDING
Total sways: 71
Total success: 44
Success %: 61.97%
Inverse success %: 0

BIRTH CONTROL PILL
Total sways: 19
Total success: 12
Success %: 63.16%

CINNAMON
Total sways: 67
Total success: 49
Success %: 73.13%
Inverse success %: 0

SWAYERS WITH PCOS
Total Sways: 38
Total Success: 53
Success % 71.7%
Inverse Success % 0
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DIET
IG 24
- Total success 10
- Success % 41.67%

LE 366
- Total success 245
- Success % 66.94%

LE PCOS 39
-Total Success 28
-Success % 71.79%

FGD 5
- Total success 5
- Success % 100%

IG/LE MIX 23
- Total success 14
- Success % 60.87%

VEGETARIAN (non-sway) 37
- Total success 30
- Success % 81.08%

GENERIC DIET (non-sway) 10
- Total success 6
- Success % 60%

OTHER DIET 44
- Total success 33
- Success % 75%

NO DIET 36
- Total success 23
- Success % 63.89%

TIMING
Attempted O+12 21
- Total success 14
- Success % 66.67%

Through OV/pos OPK (all) 366
- Total success 237
- Success % 66.67%

OV (confirmed) 165
- Total success 113
- Success % 68.48%

Pos OPK 168
- Total success 104
- Success % 61.9%

2-3 day cut off 102
- Total success 66
- Success % 64.71%

4+ day cut off 22
- Total success 17
- Success % 77.27%

BD every 4 days 18
- Total success 14
- Success % 77.78%

FREQUENCY
FR
- Total sways 94
- Total success 63
- Success % 67.02%

FBD
- Total sways 80
- Total success 48
- Success % 60%

CFR
- Total sways 25
- Total success 18
- Success % 72%

ABSTAIN
- Total sways 129
- Total success 87
- Success % 67.44%

EVERY 4 DAYS
- Total sways 35
- Total success 22
- Success % 62.86%

OTHER
- Total sways 84
- Total success 50
- Success % 59.52%

NUMBER OF ATTEMPTS
1 PLUS J&D
- Total sways 120
- Total success 104
- Success % 86.67%

1
- Total sways 305
- Total success 210
- Success % 68.85%

2
- Total sways 107
- Total success 73
- Success % 68.22%

3
- Total sways 61
- Total success 35
- Success % 57.38%

4+
- Total sways 74
- Total success 46
- Success % 62.16%

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DIET WEEKS
1-4 weeks 50
- Total success 31
- Success % 62%

5-8 weeks 110
- Total success 70
- Success % 63.64%

9-12 weeks 67
- Total success 67
- Success % 68.37%

13-16 weeks 72
- Total success 49
- Success % 68.06%

17-20 weeks 38
- Total success 27
- Success % 71.05%

21-24 weeks 35
- Total success 28
- Success % 80%

25+ weeks 124
- Total success 87
- Success % 70.16%

ALCOHOL
None
- Total sways 139
- Total success 94
- Success % 67.63%

A little
Total Sways 58
Total Success 42
Succes % 72.41%

Some
Total Sways 51
Total Success 38
Succes % 74.51%

Lots
Total Sways 38
Total Success 28
Success % 73.68%


ALCOHOL TYPE
Wine Sways 150
- Total success 109
- Success % 72.67%

Spirits Sways 41
- Total success 30
- Success % 73.17%

Beer Sways 11
- Total success 6
- Success % 54.55%

Other Alcohol Sways 43
- Total success 31
- Success % 72.09%

All alcohol 234
- Total success 176
- Success % 75.21%

LEFT-SLEEPER
Total sways: 176
Total success: 117
Success %: 66.48%
Inverse success %: 0

Peppermint Tea only
Total sways: 48
Total success: 35
Success %: 72.92%
Inverse success %:

Orgasm
Total Sways: 59
Total Success: 48
Total Success %: 81.36%
Inverse success %

Prenatal/Multi-vitamins
Total Sways 36
Total Success 27
Total Success % 75%
Inverse success %

[atomic sagebrush]

Standing Ovation!!!

And I just wanted to mention a special atomic thank you to blue-eyed guys who did all this singlehandedly while I was really super busy and out to lunch this whole last month. You ROCK! ((((hugs)))) x a zillion!

[blueeyedguys]

:o Most of it was Rainbow's work. I just copied and pasted, for the most part, other than a few annoying issues. But thank you anyway. :)

[blueeyedguys]

From the old thread:


Not sure how we handle this but purple giraffe emailed me. She had a girl last September. She used the personalized plan service.

I had somehow missed this post before.

She doesn't seem to have a sway listed that I can see. Is there one in the private forums? If there's a sway somewhere I can input her on the forms. Otherwise, if no one has any objection I can just manually enter her name and girl onto the spreadsheet, but with no information about what she did to sway, I'm not sure there's much point.

[2lovelyboys]

Wow, great work!

[atomic sagebrush]

From the old thread:



I had somehow missed this post before.

She doesn't seem to have a sway listed that I can see. Is there one in the private forums? If there's a sway somewhere I can input her on the forms. Otherwise, if no one has any objection I can just manually enter her name and girl onto the spreadsheet, but with no information about what she did to sway, I'm not sure there's much point.

There are tons of people in this situation - I've done WAYYYY more than 150 Custom Sway Plans - they had a successful sway or those who didn't (I actually find the people who got opposites are more likely to add their info than those who succeeded) but they never posted in the forums for some reason or the other. I feel like if we start adding people ourselves without them posting at least in the "add your sway" section, then it looks too much like sneaky pool on our part so my inclination is to leave them out and just look at the stats as a sample of the overall successes and failures of the site.

[blueeyedguys]

I think so long as there are several people who know they exist, we should be good. I'd rather have more sways, than fewer, since that will make everything more accurate.

And on the note of accuracy, I've changed a few of the questions/added a couple new ones to make things more accurate. I'm currently working on the spreadsheet to reflect these changes, but everything I fix seems to lead to more things that need to be fixed, so I'm not sure when I'll get it done, but I'll post updated totals when I am. I also plan to go back through all the posted sways and try to update the stats to include the new things, but that will be on much longer scale to get it done.

[atomic sagebrush]

When and if you ever get to it, one thing I had wanted to do for a long time is separating out peppermint and raspberry leaf tea. they're really two different things and if you do ever have the opportunity I would have those divided into two separate categories but if and only if you have time.

[essnce629]

When and if you ever get to it, one thing I had wanted to do for a long time is separating out peppermint and raspberry leaf tea. they're really two different things and if you do ever have the opportunity I would have those divided into two separate categories but if and only if you have time.
I agree. I would think RRL tea might sway boy.

[blueeyedguys]

That would be a lot easier than what I've been trying to fix lately. lol I've already added an amount for the alcohol and a type for the exercise. Options are cardio, strength & both. Let me know if those are ok. Oh, yeah, and I added an option for an intersex baby. I know it's not discussed much, but it's not unheard of. Doubt it will ever get used, but figured it didn't hurt to put in there just in case. I've also added the LE PCOS diet, as I mentioned before and if I remember I'm going to add a "Sometimes" option to the skipping breakfast question. Oh! And I added an option for Aspartame amounts. There wasn't one.

Trying to think if I did anything else. I may be missing something. lol

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you!!

All that sounds good to me. Even if only to prove that swaying doesn't make intersex babies (which is what one of the "flimflam doctors" claimed to a few people) if you wish to include that, it is fine by me.

[rainbowflower]

oh, I just discovered that they have updated the spreadsheet so that it can accept more formulae if you want to save the hassle of moving all across?
I was about to do the stats update for it while baby sleeps

[atomic sagebrush]

Rainbow, something was going on with the stats that made them get messed up. Covered went ahead and made a new spreadsheet and closed out the old one

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated. Please note I'm in the process of trying to separate out some things from older sways (eg red raspberry leaf and peppermint tea) as well as adding more sways that have never been added, so some of these will be a little weird. I have no idea how long it'll take me to do it all and some older sways either aren't on the board at all or just don't have the info to separate things.

[makemy3rdagirl]

Question-- so if I want to try the things that are 70% or higher, where can I learn how to take cal/mag and/or aspirin/cranberry etc.? Is there an index that shows exactly how to do a lime douche?

[atomic sagebrush]

PLEASE do not just go thru the stats and pick out things that have better than 70% success rates. These are not scientific numbers and every one of the people who did these things were also doing tons of other things to sway. I have a full debunking and explanation of why not to take the stats too seriously here in this link. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/43555-thoughts-stats.html But since very few people read the links I will give a shorter explanation...

Example, if people did diet longer than 12 weeks and then also took cal-mag, how do you KNOW it is the cal-mag supps and not the diet that was swaying?? (you don't). Since cal-mag doesn't cut odds of conception, people continue to take it even after dropping tons of other sway tactics meaning that most people who were on diet a long time, were taking cal-mag supps. the best study ever done on maternal diet and gender of baby conceived showed more boys conceived with high calcium diets and many of us on here got BOYS taking the cal-mag supps and our girls wihtout them. If you believe in calcium for swaying, that's totally fine, please feel free, but don't do it based on these numbers.

Example 2: Virtually everyone, if not EVERY single one, of the people who did lime douche, did one attempt. THat's how you do lime douche is with one attempt. One attempt has 70-75% success rates without lime douche, so you don't know Lime douche also has tons of side effects and really cuts odds of conception and barely anyone has used it for YEARS (and our success rates have only improved)

aspirin/cranberry has proven unsafe and no one is using them much any more. Got disappointing results anyway and were never above 70%, if they are right now this is a temporary quirk of stats because they have gotten about the same success rates as the site as a whole, indicating they are doing nothing to help.

Now, all that having been said, in my signature below there is a link to "the Complete Index" which has full essays on ALLL these things in mind-numbing detail, the pros and cons and how to about everything you have asked about. Check it out!

[blueeyedguys]

Yeah, really take some of these stats with a grain of salt (or 6) as I'm in the process of separating everything out. Until I've done that, the stats are even more unreliable than usual for those categories.

[atomic sagebrush]

thank you so much for all you have done and continued to do blue-eyed - I hope it's obvious I am not dissing the stats, just that stats in and of themselvs have shortcomings involved in them and no one should just go thru and pick a sway based on stats alone.

[atomic sagebrush]

I totally hesitate to put any more on your plate BEG but if and when you ever have a chance I think we need to add in prenatals/multivitamins preconception.

[blueeyedguys]

Added a question for combined prenatal or multi-vitamins. If I find any sways that mention it, I'll add them as I'm going through the sways (very, very slowly). Otherwise, it's going to be awhile until there's any actual stats since there haven't been any new sways added for over a month, other than old ones I came across.

[makemy3rdagirl]

That is good to know.... here I was thinking that i'd just pick the items with the highest percentiles. I have read through the complete index and I am still overwhelmed about what to try. This is my third swaying attempt so gosh I would like it to work out. I can't do everything though. I do not have an obsessive personality at all (I almost wish I did to be honest), work full time outside the home and want to spend all other time with my boys, not obsessing over my next attempt-- wasted time if it fails a third time.

I need a do this manual but it sounds like nothing is perfect.

[atomic sagebrush]

Added a question for combined prenatal or multi-vitamins. If I find any sways that mention it, I'll add them as I'm going through the sways (very, very slowly). Otherwise, it's going to be awhile until there's any actual stats since there haven't been any new sways added for over a month, other than old ones I came across.

Now come on girls, I know we've had a lot of successes and some opposites too. PLEASE add your sway, even if you got an opposite.

[atomic sagebrush]

That is good to know.... here I was thinking that i'd just pick the items with the highest percentiles. I have read through the complete index and I am still overwhelmed about what to try. This is my third swaying attempt so gosh I would like it to work out. I can't do everything though. I do not have an obsessive personality at all (I almost wish I did to be honest), work full time outside the home and want to spend all other time with my boys, not obsessing over my next attempt-- wasted time if it fails a third time.

I need a do this manual but it sounds like nothing is perfect.

LE Diet longer than 12 weeks, one attempt, exercise if you can, Clomid if you can get it. :agree: Alcohol is also getting seemingly great results.

Nothing is perfect,you're right. Swaying is not and can never be a guarantee - if it worked 100% of the time then the entire human race would have died out long ago. :p

[covered in blue]

I just added mine. Bumping for the other ladies :)

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated.

[atomic sagebrush]

thanks again so much for doing this!!! this data is invaluable!

[sunnygirl]

There are tons of people in this situation - I've done WAYYYY more than 150 Custom Sway Plans - they had a successful sway or those who didn't (I actually find the people who got opposites are more likely to add their info than those who succeeded) but they never posted in the forums for some reason or the other. I feel like if we start adding people ourselves without them posting at least in the "add your sway" section, then it looks too much like sneaky pool on our part so my inclination is to leave them out and just look at the stats as a sample of the overall successes and failures of the site.

I'm one of those ones who never added my sway. Got a custom plan but did a half hearted pink sway and got blue last march.....gotta get to adding it

[atomic sagebrush]

Please do. Both successes and opposites, we want to hear from everyone who feels comfortable posting.

[blueeyedguys]

Sway stats updated.

[Butterflies buttercups]

Thanks for updating x


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[DreamingPink2015]

I have just submitted mine :)

[atomic sagebrush]

THANK YOU!!!

[Princess Mom]

This is awesome, hopefully we get more birth control stats. I am on pill and will go off month before I choose when I want to try either March or April.
Vitex and aspartame get good percentages but I don't think I do good with vitex last time I had horrible heart racing and still had a m/c

[JAndy]

I have just submitted mine :)

I submitted mine as well.

[blueeyedguys]

Stats are updated. Added a few older sways I found that were never entered and edited a couple of already existing sways to add things to new categories. I'll keep doing this as I have time for it.

[pinkcomestrue]

I've also added mine few months ago, but I can't see my name on the result, swayed hard for girl is expecting a boy [emoji16]


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[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so very much!!!

[blueeyedguys]

There seem to be a bunch of entries on the old sheet since this one was started, including one from the end of December. I guess there must be a link somewhere that people are still using. I know the links here on the forums to view the data still go to the old sheet, but I guess there must be links to the form somewhere too?

I'll try to copy the other entries over to the new sheet, unless the posters want to enter them again for the new sheet. pinkcomestrue, I couldn't find an entry on either sheet for you.

[atomic sagebrush]

I know it's getting really confusing since both spreadsheets are still active. I'm sorry, this seems like the best solution for now to keep both of them open.

[blueeyedguys]

Hoping this will be seen by the right person. If you used the name "Tiggerhappy" in the spreadsheet, please pm me.

[blueeyedguys]

Stats are updated.

[atomic sagebrush]

THANK YOU blueeyedguys you are a rockstar!!

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated. There were only 2 sways added since the previous update.

[mammacass]

Hi blueeyedguys I noticed I am not included on the spreadsheet, I have posted my sway with updated gender, is there anything else you need me to do? Thankyou :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I think you guys actually have to go into the spreadsheet to add your data???

[blueeyedguys]

If you go to the first post in this thread, there's a link to post your sway to the spreadsheet, mammacass.

I found 4 more sways added to Rainbowflower's sheet instead of the new one. If ScandiMama, Swaying&PrayingForPink, melbo25, and amyanne see this, I would really appreciate having you add your sways to the spreadsheet listed in the first post in this thread.

If they don't see this and add their sways by the time I update again, I'll copy them over.

[mammacass]

No problem, Thankyou will do so x

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you! Can't wait to check them out!

[atomic sagebrush]

geez check out the coffee stats. :agree: we are on the right track ladies.

[essnce629]

Do you think it's time to drop licorice root?

[atomic sagebrush]

While I don't blame anyone who chooses not to take it, in previous incarnations of the sway stats it was as high as 80% for years and also seemed to get good results on IG. I do not believe it could possibly be swaying blue, it makes no sense that it would be, and thus I am very hesitant to drop it (although certainly do not blame anyone who doesn't want to use it)

[essnce629]

Yes, I totally remember the percentage being super high when I first started reading on here in fall 2013! My DH was actually taking it when I got pregnant last time. I wonder what's up with the stats? Weird. Maybe people stay on it (because it's so easy to take, just pop a pill) but drop everything else like diet, exercise, and one attempt when they're not getting pregnant right away? So it's the dropping of the really solid girl sway tactics that ends up swaying blue, not the continuation of licorice root.

[maidentomother]

I think your theory is right, essnce, and also explains the artificially elevated OLE stats. As with LR, it never gets dropped, but bc it's being used by older men/more fertility challenged couples (vs the younger men/highly fertile couples using LR), the OLE couples are more set for pink and LR much more set for blue. So both results are skewed, OLE falsely high, LR falsely low.

[maidentomother]

MDH related Q for atomic - how bad would it be for me to take a 3 month sway break during which I compiled some multifactorial stats? I.e. LE diet at various lengths + one attempt, LE diet at various lengths + cardio + one attempt, cardio + one attempt, Clomid +1 attempt, Diet + Clomid, Diet + Clomid + 1 attempt, Clomid + cardio, Clomid + Diet + cardio + 1 attempt.

It would be a big project as I would need to read through all sways to determine that diet/1attempt/cardio requirements are met as per my judgement. But I've been itching to do it properly for years...

How much would it eff my sway? Assuming I do the project in 3 months, then go back on diet for 3 months, then start TTC again...so at least 3mo between project and potential conception. Keep in mind I have undetectable testosterone, extremely low cortisol, very low DHEAS and very high SHBG, so I may NEED to boost these.

Suggestions for multifactorial stats welcome though I will start with the biggest sway factors.

[atomic sagebrush]

I never like to see anyone take time off swaying for anything short of act of God, when they've been at this as long as you, Maiden. What if Goldie shows up in one of those months??

While I would of course appreciate it and love to see the results, I really hate to ask anyone to do anything for me (or that I would benefit from) that may harm their own plans, YK?? I mean I will tell you, I was on here a lot, and working a lot on things like diet plans and so on when I wasn't on here, in 2011 and 2012 and I still got a girl doing all that. I think that in your case you can stand a little "T-raising" or whatever it is that is swaying. But I do not KNOW that, and thus I have to leave the ball in your court really - I do not even know that it would be a problem, that's just a guess, speculation, and so it may be totally academic anyway.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think your theory is right, essnce, and also explains the artificially elevated OLE stats. As with LR, it never gets dropped, but bc it's being used by older men/more fertility challenged couples (vs the younger men/highly fertile couples using LR), the OLE couples are more set for pink and LR much more set for blue. So both results are skewed, OLE falsely high, LR falsely low.

:agree: Exactly. I know people are confused sometimes why I don't just axe everything like jellies, antihistamine, herbs, LR, etc but this is the core reason. I suspect that the stats are skewed because of the fertility factor - that the people who are able to get pregnant with all these things are very likely coming into this experiment we're running here, more set for blue to start out with and this skews the stats. On paper, using every theory out there, they all should sway pink, and I suspect were we to be able to have 1000 cloned couples living identical lifestyles and were able to test for one and only one of these variables at a time we would see this proved in studies - but we can't have that and I hate to lose things that people may want and believe in (because I think if I come out and be all like 'do it my way or the highway' then we'd have fewer new members joining us and would basically doom all those people to the poopy unsafe sway tactics that prevent conception). Additionally, I feel like if I put too much stock into our statistics when I know their limitations, then that really makes me no different from the IG people who would take their stats as if they'd been engraved on clay tablets and handed down from Moses or something. Not even scientists doing studies involving hundreds of people over decades can tell even the simplest things like if you should eat vegetable fat or animal fat for heart disease or whatever they've debunked this week LOL. There is NO WAY that those numbers we have, as great and helpful as they are, are really telling us the magic recipe of how to get a boy or a girl. The overall trends we can see and try to emulate but we can't pin it down as closely as any of us would like at least not by individual sway tactic.

This is also, to me, underlying the seeming sudden success of e4d vs. one attempt. I started having the less-fertile people going to e4d and even starting off with that from the get go, and the results on e4d are high now and the results with one attempt seem lower than they were. But it doesn't change the history which is that one attempt was really good results for YEARS even as we played around with lots of other sway tactics. The fertility factor colors all our results in weird ways.

[blueeyedguys]

Maybe I should add an age category? I'd have to think on the best way to do that.

[maidentomother]

The TTC/sway break would be for my sanity and to avoid giving birth when my SAD is at its worst (Jan-Mar). Plus I'll be honest, that chart of birth month linked disorders scares the crap out of me! Also, I'd be compiling the stats primarily for myself. Not that I don't love you atomic, and this site, but my motivation is definitely selfish! I want to know and I know how satisfying I find such projects.

It wouldn't be a full break, in the sense that I won't drop diet complete, and I may TTC if it's convenient. The swaying isn't so much an issue as the TTC, though I'd be thrilled to have a boy at this point. It's a lose lose situation bc I don't like wasting a month but at the same time, I'm way too caught up in TTC, way beyond what's healthy.

[atomic sagebrush]

Maybe I should add an age category? I'd have to think on the best way to do that.

I think at some point we add in so much stuff that it gets overly confusing. And the groups do overlap quite a bit with many guys in their 30's doing the "younger" sway tactics and then some others, not, because they're smoking or whatever. I don't think it's something we really need to do since we do have studies that show older dads = more girls conceived.

[atomic sagebrush]

The TTC/sway break would be for my sanity and to avoid giving birth when my SAD is at its worst (Jan-Mar). Plus I'll be honest, that chart of birth month linked disorders scares the crap out of me! Also, I'd be compiling the stats primarily for myself. Not that I don't love you atomic, and this site, but my motivation is definitely selfish! I want to know and I know how satisfying I find such projects.

It wouldn't be a full break, in the sense that I won't drop diet complete, and I may TTC if it's convenient. The swaying isn't so much an issue as the TTC, though I'd be thrilled to have a boy at this point. It's a lose lose situation bc I don't like wasting a month but at the same time, I'm way too caught up in TTC, way beyond what's healthy.

I'm always down with sanity breaks as needed and if the spirit is moving you then I'd love to see the results for sure. :agree:

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated. Only 1 new sway was added since the last update.

[atomic sagebrush]

I know we've had a lot of sways lately, ladies - please take the time to update your info! People adding their own info is why our stats are so superior to other sources!!

[blueeyedguys]

The Current Results Data still goes to Rainbow's spreadsheet and there must be a link to it too, somewhere, because there were 6 sways added there instead of to the new sheet since the last time I checked it. I'll try to PM the ladies who did their sways there and see if they'd be willing to add them to the current sheet.

Edited to add: I was apparently able to PM 4 of the 6. The other 2 put their usernames on the spreadsheet as Nicole and ScandiMama. Hopefully they'll see their names here and message me or add their info using the link in the first post of this thread.

[amyanne]

Added! Sorry I have no clue where I found the other link. There should be a DH soy milk question...for some reason I feel like that made a big difference for us (and he noticed a huge change from it!).

[atomic sagebrush]

AAAA sorry it's like a hydra every time I think I have found all the links I find more. She's not updating that older thread so everyone post here.

[atomic sagebrush]

Added! Sorry I have no clue where I found the other link. There should be a DH soy milk question...for some reason I feel like that made a big difference for us (and he noticed a huge change from it!).

Thank you so much! That was something I decided to start trying about a year ago and so few guys were willing to do it that I hadn't bothered. That one has not gotten good compliance unfortunately.

[atomic sagebrush]

ok I think I got it fixed let me know if there still seems to be some leftover linkage.

I thought that the other thread was going to continue to be updated but it isn't so I just changed the link to go to the new spreadsheet. apologies for confusion.

[amyanne]

Yeahhhh he complained SO much about it but he did it pretty religiously as long as I bought the chocolate kind. Huge libido change right when he started and change back right when he stopped (the day I got the BFP it all went in the trash!).

[atomic sagebrush]

Crazy!! Thank you for letting me know that!!!

The chocolate soy milk still has all the same biochemistry to it, for anyone else reading this I know some people have balked at giving their hubs chocolate soy milk because they thought it could sway blue, but it doesn't - it works too and it's really good! :agree: chocolate Silk soymilk :agree: :agree: highly recommend

[Dreamgirl01]

I can't find the question over soy Milk for dh. So it sways pink? Tia!

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[blueeyedguys]

There isn't a question for that for the stats, if that's where you're trying to find one

[atomic sagebrush]

I can't find the question over soy Milk for dh. So it sways pink? Tia!

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Yes we've debated about adding this or not. I am sitting on the fence because I think there would be such a wide variety of amounts that they'd drink I think it could be confusing, but may be worth adding. A lot of the DH's wouldn't drink it or tried and then gave up.

I do use soy milk in the Custom Plans for DH 12-48 oz. a day (more is better) and yes I do believe it sways pink when men drink it. But I don't get much compliance with it, unfortunately.

[Dreamgirl01]

Ok. Thanks a lot. I"ll have dh drink it😊

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[sognorosa]

excuse me ladies .. I'm Italian and I do not understand what is the meaniexcuse me I'm Italian and I do not understand what is the meaning of Dh .another info goes taken aspirin before you conceive ?

[sognorosa]

excuse me ladies .. I'm Italian and I do not understand what is the meaniexcuse me I'm Italian and I do not understand what is the meaning of Dh .another info goes taken aspirin before you conceive ?

[atomic sagebrush]

DH = dear husband, your husband or male partner.

We started off using aspirin, but we have found it caused too many side effects, and had neutral results. I no longer recommend it except for those who insist on using it. :)

[essnce629]

We started off using aspirin, but we have found it caused too many side effects, and had neutral results. I no longer recommend it except for those who insist on using it. :)

It's also used by those of us that have a known MTHFR mutation as it helps prevent blood clots and is necessary for implantation. But if you don't have a MTHFR mutation, you don't need to take it as the risks outweigh the benefits.

[DRV]

How about just Aci jel without lube? In my case I only did Aci jel... And I did this on purpose bc it seemed those who used it with a lube didn't have much success. I'll let you know if it worked for me!

[atomic sagebrush]

It's also used by those of us that have a known MTHFR mutation as it helps prevent blood clots and is necessary for implantation. But if you don't have a MTHFR mutation, you don't need to take it as the risks outweigh the benefits.

Yes thank you I'm sorry, I mean as a sway tactic.

There are absolutely people who do need to take it for medical reasons and that is fine and absolutely should be continued.

[atomic sagebrush]

How about just Aci jel without lube? In my case I only did Aci jel... And I did this on purpose bc it seemed those who used it with a lube didn't have much success. I'll let you know if it worked for me!

We have had it in the stats before for many years if it's not in this one (maybe in rainbow's thread) and all the jellies were the same as the overall success rates of the site, with the inverse (those who did not use it) being identical to the success rate with it, leading me to conclude it's not adding anything (but hey, also not swaying blue)

Most people DON'T use it with a lube. They use only Acijel OR Sylk. Sylk is a better lube than Acijel so I tend to recommend Sylk over Acijel, but yeah neither seem to be adding a whole lot.

[blueeyedguys]

Stats are updated.

[atomic sagebrush]

thank you!!

[blueeyedguys]

Stats have been updated.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so so so much!!!!

[blueeyedguys]

Stats are updated. My computer was dead so I couldn't get to it before now.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so very much!! How is is it going??

[blueeyedguys]

Well, I was going to update the stats, but nothing has changed since the last time. Guess on the week-end or if I get some time before then, I'll check out the old spreadsheet and see if anyone has added their sways there by mistake again.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes we've had quite a few people but maybe did not put info onto the spreadsheet.

Anyone reading this if you haven't added your info to the spreadsheet we really need you to do that!!

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated again. Only 2 new sways on the proper sheet. Several people have again added their sways to the old sheet.

[atomic sagebrush]

We're going to have to lock it. Thanks for updating it.

[nuthinbutpink]

Stats updated again. Only 2 new sways on the proper sheet. Several people have again added their sways to the old sheet.

What link is the old one? What thread do I can remove it?

[Pink2016]

Yes we've had quite a few people but maybe did not put info onto the spreadsheet.

Anyone reading this if you haven't added your info to the spreadsheet we really need you to do that!!

Atomic just curious how do I access the spreadsheet I've been looking all over and somehow I just can't seem to find it?


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[EnglishDame]

Atomic just curious how do I access the spreadsheet I've been looking all over and somehow I just can't seem to find it?


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At the top of this forum under where it says sub forums there's one called 'current results data' something or other. That's the one. HTH.

[blueeyedguys]

@nuthinbutpink This thread is the main one I think people are using http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway-/25190-important-please-read-update-input-your-sway-results-when-you-know-gender.html but the Current Results Data for TTC a Girl links also go to the old sheet.

This the link to the new sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aL3llD0t0LIDTY5wWGcEV8UuPq175XL2x1DlWVoRWN0/edit#gid=0 and the new form is at https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdGv-4LcFKGdLA--KIsbw9IKy-KYKnnf9G_yr2rJiWHvrzlhw/viewform

[MrsTheatrical]

Hi ladies,

Are antihistamines still recommended for a pink sway or not? Thanks in advance

[polvererosa]

Girls can you tell me to come work the douche lime and WHEN take aspirin and juice Cramberry ..I am new here and I am sorry my Italian in

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi ladies,

Are antihistamines still recommended for a pink sway or not? Thanks in advance

They seem to be getting neutral results, not really helping or hurting. I let people use them if they want but if you're in any hurry to TTC I'd just skip em.

[atomic sagebrush]

Girls can you tell me to come work the douche lime and WHEN take aspirin and juice Cramberry ..I am new here and I am sorry my Italian in

Douching is here http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-a-girl-best-practices/866-guide-douching-ttc-pink.html?866-Guide-to-Douching-TTC-Pink=

Don't do cranberry juice. It is not concentrated enough to help your sway and may sway blue by adding nutrition to your diet.

Most of us have given up on the cranberry and the aspirin ideas. It hasn't seemed to work very well, and the risks and side effects were a lot worse than we originally thought. If you have to do one or the other, just do aspirin, low dose 70-80 mg three times a week (like Monday, Wednesday, Friday) and then once you get a positive pregnancy test start weaning off of that by spacing doses further and further apart till down to one per week, then drop it. Don't just stop taking it suddenly.

[rainbowflower]

I created my own version of only the clomid sways, the fibre supplement and acigel/sylk results look really good with the clomid:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qen0tpc24zckap5/pink-clomid.xls?dl=0

not sure why there are all the malware warnings with links posted on here?

[4blue2pink]

Is aspartame still recommended for girl sways? i did include it in my successful sway (diet coke) but it seems the pink sway info has evolved quite rapidly in the last year!

[atomic sagebrush]

Is aspartame still recommended for girl sways? i did include it in my successful sway (diet coke) but it seems the pink sway info has evolved quite rapidly in the last year!

I let people use it, I don't think it does anything tho.

Got my girl without it after my 4th boy using it.

[atomic sagebrush]

I created my own version of only the clomid sways, the fibre supplement and acigel/sylk results look really good with the clomid:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qen0tpc24zckap5/pink-clomid.xls?dl=0

not sure why there are all the malware warnings with links posted on here?

I am getting them too, thank you for verifying this.

[nuthinbutpink]

I am getting them too, thank you for verifying this.

I can't tell you guys why your google doc forms are giving malware alerts. I did not create the google doc forms. I can tell you that genderdreaming.com is monitored and scanned for malware multiple times per day and I pay for a company to do this. They cannot find any malware on the site at this time.

[rainbowflower]

NBP - it seems to be all the external links that trigger the warning from here not just google

[4blue2pink]

I let people use it, I don't think it does anything tho.

Got my girl without it after my 4th boy using it.

thankyou for answering :) was the original thought that aspartame lowered ph? ive never tested my ph so i couldnt say if it altered it last time, for any future pink sways am i better off dropping the diet coke which i never normally drink in favor of coffee and alcohol? both of which i never drink normally either and i didnt do either of those with my last sway.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, that was the original thought. But I have seen people get boys drinking insane amounts of the stuff and we are getting good results with coffee and alcohol, so I prefer people use them instead.

[Nurseandi]

I feel silly for asking, but it's hard to sift through the info...is there a "best combo" for girl sway? I'm still waiting for my personalized plan but am trying to think ahead to prepare myself for potentially big changes!

I know that somethings might not work out (exercising 6 times/week is not likely to happen), I don't have clomid (but could get it maybe in a non-traditional way :P)?

[atomic sagebrush]

Your plan is up next for me. Thanks for patience.

Diet longer than 12 weeks plus coffee, fiber, alcohol, one attempt or e4d, exercise if you can swing it (even as much as 4 days a week), Clomid if you can get some. Everything else just seems to get in the way.

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much!!

[alik01]

I'm getting more and more confused on what to do. So abstaining with one attempt doesn't have the best results now? Sry getting overwhelmed as my ovulation is approaching.

[atomic sagebrush]

When you look at these statistics you have to keep in mind that the most fertile couples have the most boys.

These are also not scientifically compiled and eveyrone who is swaying, is doing lots of things to sway. We honestly do NOT KNOW how much abstain sways, how much one attempt sways, etc. All we are trying to do is emulate what has worked for people. The only way we would ever know how much any of these things truly sway on their own is a study done in the population as a whole with people doing nothing else to sway.

So, the people who do abstain + one attempt are able to get pregnant easily, and thus they are the most fertile, and thus also may be the most set for blue. This skews the statistics to possibly make the results worse than they'd be had they been studied in the population as a whole.

The one thing we do know (because it's stayed consistently good over time) is the one attempt. It's a little lower now than it used to be but that is because more people have done it (even those who did not sway very much in other ways) This is to be expected. The thing to take away is NOT the results from this particular moment of time but what has happened OVERALL since we started the site in 2011 and I want everyone to start off doing one attempt because it got the best of the best results for years and years.

Some people want to add abstain to that and it is totally fine if you want to do that. The results for abstain have been traditionally lower but some people still want to use it. Totally up to you!

[alik01]

Well we are pretty fertile. Actually got pregnant earlier in the year using withdrawal method which ended in mc. So you think for fertile couples abstaining sways boy? Thanks for your help!

[atomic sagebrush]

No, that is not what I am saying at all, I am saying that only the most fertile people CAN conceive with abstain + one attempt. Most people don't get pregnant that way and have to drop sway tactics in order to conceive. So since only the very most fertile and probably set for blue people CAN conceive that way, it may skew the results to make abstain + one attempt look more blue friendly than it really is.

[alik01]

Gotcha thank you!

[Thinkpinkplease]

Am I the only one that has noticed that pregnitude is it? The supplement has 100% swayed pink?

[Thinkpinkplease]

Also confused on whether To go vegetarian?

[atomic sagebrush]

Am I the only one that has noticed that pregnitude is it? The supplement has 100% swayed pink?

It is not for everyone though. it is only for people with moderate to severe PCOS and I DO NOT WANT all you guys adding it. I can assure you based on other observations it is not 100% pink sway, not even close

[atomic sagebrush]

Also confused on whether To go vegetarian?

I think I discussed this with you in another thread!! some people it makes more sense to go vegetarian, others cannot due to PCOS or IR issues

[blueeyedguys]

Stats are updated. Only one new sway was added to this sheet since the previous update in early December.

[alik01]

I'm so nervous, got my positive opk today. So we will bd tonight. I've been using rephresh every 3 days and did .5 applicator this morning. This is day 8 of abstaining for hubby and he's also taking licorice root. I just have the ph strips and it looks to be around 4-4.5. Do I need to do anything else? There's no need to douche right?

[atomic sagebrush]

You can't douche with RepHresh, it can make a pH spike.

[alik01]

Ok thanks!

[nuthinbutpink]

I have moved all of the links for entering and reviewing sways to this location- http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway-/

There, you will find links for Entering your Sway, Viewing the current stats and the Individual details for each member that enters their sway

[Kyslate85]

I have posted my sway plan and haven't received any feedback in the review thread. Should I post it on the link instead?

[blueeyedguys]

No, the link is just for complete sways where the sex of the baby is known.

[nuthinbutpink]

If you go to where you posted your sway and reply to yourself with the words "bump", it is more likely to filter up to the top of the list of New Posts and be better seen so you get a response!

[sigrid86]

This is probably a stupid question, but is it possible to convert the stats spreadsheet to excel? Because now I can't filter anything and was interested to see some combinations...
Thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

I have posted my sway plan and haven't received any feedback in the review thread. Should I post it on the link instead?

I see that you posted it, but it usually takes me some time to go over those so sometimes I have to wait till I have a day that I am less busy to do them. thanks for patience.

[atomic sagebrush]

This is probably a stupid question, but is it possible to convert the stats spreadsheet to excel? Because now I can't filter anything and was interested to see some combinations...
Thanks!

Here is the thing. I find it highly, highly unlikely that there is some magical combination of things that will make girls any better than what we are already getting. I really hate to see people poring over the stats in search of the "recipe" (people used to waste months of time doing this on IG and they NEVER found "it" whatever it is.)

Do what works for most people, most of the time. Diet longer than 12 weeks, exercise, one attmept or e4d, Clomid if you can get some. These things work. Looking for a magic combination of acijel and sudafed or whatever - those things do not matter. If you look hard enough there will always be some combination that appears better but it's just statistical noise.

[blueeyedguys]

Stats are updated again. 6 new sways were added. 2 of them were sways that I've added from ones that got put on the wrong sheet. I'm slowly working my way through those. I suspect there's probably at least a half dozen of them, maybe more.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you!! Are you finding less people adding in the wrong place now?? I ~thought~ the option to add them to the wrong place has now been removed, just wanted to be absolutely sure.

[blueeyedguys]

I think so. There's certainly more going to the right sheet now than there were. I'd have to check all the dates to see exactly when/if they've stopped going to the other one.

ETA: I just went through and it looks like the last date there was one added to the other sheet was in late 2016.

[atomic sagebrush]

Excellent, thanks!

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated again. Most of the increase are ones I found on the other sheet that weren't on this one yet. I still have some more to check, just haven't had a chance yet.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much!!

Ladies, if you have not added your info to the spreadsheet, please do! We rely on you guys to help us compile these stats and if everyone adds their info, it is a lot less time consuming for everyone and we get a lot higher quality data.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much!!

Ladies, if you have not added your info to the spreadsheet, please do! We rely on you guys to help us compile these stats and if everyone adds their info, it is a lot less time consuming for everyone and we get a lot higher quality data.

[Shenanigans]

Maybe i missed it but what does fbd and cfr stand for?

[atomic sagebrush]

Frequent BD and Compressed Frequent Release. I don't recommend either of these

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated.

[XXforhubby]

I added my sway to the stats [emoji4].


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[atomic sagebrush]

Stats updated.

thank you so much!

[blueeyedguys]

Updated again. 6 new sways were added since the previous update.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you! Ladies, I know we've had more than 6 sways this past month or two, if you haven't added your info to our spreadsheet, please do!!

[cleopatra_2006]

Anyone sway


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[Hopefullmummy]

Anyone sway


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I have and I promise I will put my sway in. I'm only 5 weeks so I just want to wait a little bit more and then I'll do it.

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[cleopatra_2006]

Anyone's DH does jogging plus weights and sauna and managed to sway pink or conceive at all? I'm on antihistamines for skin allergys and hay fever plus cardio 6 days a week so worried I won't conceive at all [emoji85][emoji85]


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[XXforhubby]

Anyone's DH does jogging plus weights and sauna and managed to sway pink or conceive at all? I'm on antihistamines for skin allergys and hay fever plus cardio 6 days a week so worried I won't conceive at all [emoji85][emoji85]


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It's hard to say. I can tell you that most of us cannot control what our DH's do lest they pull the plug on TTCing. I would focus on what you do to sway and try not to worry about what your DH does, unless he is willing to help sway with you. The antihistamines sound like they are necessary for your health, and you should keep taking them regardless of how they sway (they don't help or hurt a sway).

Since you're worried about conceiving through all of these other factors, I would not jump and dump after BDing (or wait at least 15 or more minutes), and I would not use any lubes unless you need a tiny bit on your DH to make BDing comfortable.

🤞🏻and GL to you!!

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[atomic sagebrush]

Anyone's DH does jogging plus weights and sauna and managed to sway pink or conceive at all? I'm on antihistamines for skin allergys and hay fever plus cardio 6 days a week so worried I won't conceive at all [emoji85][emoji85]


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Yes.

:agree: XX's point that there are always things you can do to boost odds of conception if you wanted to, like female O, or Preseed, or laying flat longer.

[cleopatra_2006]

Is it raspberry tea or raspberry leaf with peppermint tea xx


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[atomic sagebrush]

Is it raspberry tea or raspberry leaf with peppermint tea xx


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Do not do RRLT as it may sway blue. I have no idea how a blue sway tactic wormed its way into our statistics (I don't do the stats and blue eyed guys simply inherited it all from another person) and I'd love to see it gone as I get questions on it constantly.

The ONLY people who have ever done RRLT for a pink sway were people who'd gone on swaying a LONG time and had not gotten pregnant. Honestly, it's a last ditch thing that I try sometimes when people aren't conceiving. So those stats are completely misleading since people who have not gotten pregnant for a long time tend to have more girls anyway.

We have tracked peppermint tea separately and know it's not really working, but at least it's supposed to sway pink. Stay away from RRLT unless I personally have approved it for you.

[Debahlgrim]

Looking at the diet stats- I would like to start trying at 9 weeks after starting the diet. Should I wait until 12 weeks? How much of a difference does it make?


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[atomic sagebrush]

12 weeks is more effective (and this has stayed so consistent since the early days of the site I believe it to be a real finding and not a fluke) BUT the thing is, many people start off doing a pretty intense sway in terms of cutting odds of conception, that I generally LIKE people to start TTC early (6-10 weeks) and then most of the time you won't get pregnant that first month or even two. We have average 3 months to conception.

What I DON"T want people to do is think "well if 12 weeks is good, 20 is even better" then diet strictly for 20 weeks, then sway super strictly for another 20 weeks, and come to me in a year and have not gotten pregnant and weigh 90 lbs and their hair is falling out. DON"T do that. I would far rather see you guys start off a smidge sooner than 12 weeks and enjoy doing whatever sway tactics you want to do that first month or two (since most people do want to feel they've tried everything) and then by the time you're ready to start dropping the stuff that doesn't really work (like timing, jellies, antihistamine, frequency, etc) then you've had enough time on diet anyway.

Now all this having been said, if you're NOT doing a strict sway with all that other stuff, then in that case you may want to wait the full 12 weeks. But anyone who is, makes more sense to start off sooner rather than later.

[Debahlgrim]

12 weeks is more effective (and this has stayed so consistent since the early days of the site I believe it to be a real finding and not a fluke) BUT the thing is, many people start off doing a pretty intense sway in terms of cutting odds of conception, that I generally LIKE people to start TTC early (6-10 weeks) and then most of the time you won't get pregnant that first month or even two. We have average 3 months to conception.

What I DON"T want people to do is think "well if 12 weeks is good, 20 is even better" then diet strictly for 20 weeks, then sway super strictly for another 20 weeks, and come to me in a year and have not gotten pregnant and weigh 90 lbs and their hair is falling out. DON"T do that. I would far rather see you guys start off a smidge sooner than 12 weeks and enjoy doing whatever sway tactics you want to do that first month or two (since most people do want to feel they've tried everything) and then by the time you're ready to start dropping the stuff that doesn't really work (like timing, jellies, antihistamine, frequency, etc) then you've had enough time on diet anyway.

Now all this having been said, if you're NOT doing a strict sway with all that other stuff, then in that case you may want to wait the full 12 weeks. But anyone who is, makes more sense to start off sooner rather than later.

Thank you so much for your response, Atomic! I have been doing a strict LE diet/Weight Watchers for a week. I am adding coffee starting today. I have been exercising 2-3 times a week and now I'm going to up it to 4-6 times a week. We BD in November and December and didn't get pregnant with one attempt and diet and lots of cardio so I'm thinking we should try in July with one attempt and go to every 4 days in August. July will be 9 weeks with diet and 8 weeks with exercise. Do you think that's ok?


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[atomic sagebrush]

What else are you doing in terms of things that cut odds of conception? (timing, frequency, jelly or douching, antihistamine, jump and dump)

What is your age and how important is it that you get pregnant very soon?

[Debahlgrim]

What else are you doing in terms of things that cut odds of conception? (timing, frequency, jelly or douching, antihistamine, jump and dump)

What is your age and how important is it that you get pregnant very soon?

I'm 29 and I would like get pregnant by November at the latest. But the thought of being on the diet that long... [emoji51] And I don't know how long I can keep up this workout routine. It's a lot of work for me and really hard. But I don't want to greatly reduce the chances of my sway working either.

When we tried in November and December we did one attempt and J&D. I think I had him do abstain.

When I got pregnant with DD 6 years ago I was dieting and exercising for 6 weeks before conception. Then no exercise and eating all the time and vitamins when I got pregnant with boys. One attempt with all 3 kids. So I was surprised we didn't get pregnant in November and December.

Maybe I could do one attempt and J&D in July and every 4 days in August without J&D?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Go ahead and try in July.

ARe you doing immediate J and D or after 5 minutes? If immediate, go to 5 minutes.

It's up to you about one attempt vs. e4d. E4D will be better odds of conception.

[Debahlgrim]

Go ahead and try in July.

ARe you doing immediate J and D or after 5 minutes? If immediate, go to 5 minutes.

It's up to you about one attempt vs. e4d. E4D will be better odds of conception.

Awesome! I was doing immediate so I'll go to 5 min.

Also I want to mention I had lost 22 lbs last year June-December then this year gained 9 lbs between December and March/April and then I maintained until starting the diet again at the end of May. I did some weights in April but kept up with cardio 1-3 times a week that whole time. So 3 weeks before I started the diet last week I was maintaining weight and not eating great but not a ton either.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Just a heads up, Claypot had added her data to the spreadsheet after having been told boy, but then a subsequent ultrasound revealed she was actually having a girl!

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated. Only 3 new sways since last month.


Just a heads up, Claypot had added her data to the spreadsheet after having been told boy, but then a subsequent ultrasound revealed she was actually having a girl!

Fixed


Do not do RRLT as it may sway blue. I have no idea how a blue sway tactic wormed its way into our statistics (I don't do the stats and blue eyed guys simply inherited it all from another person) and I'd love to see it gone as I get questions on it constantly.

The ONLY people who have ever done RRLT for a pink sway were people who'd gone on swaying a LONG time and had not gotten pregnant. Honestly, it's a last ditch thing that I try sometimes when people aren't conceiving. So those stats are completely misleading since people who have not gotten pregnant for a long time tend to have more girls anyway.

We have tracked peppermint tea separately and know it's not really working, but at least it's supposed to sway pink. Stay away from RRLT unless I personally have approved it for you.

I'm really busy right now, but I can see about removing the red raspberry stats after the end of school if that would make things easier.

[atomic sagebrush]

I would love to have it out of there. Only 3 people used it that I know of and all of them had been TTC for over a year (which really, really skews the results) Thanks!!

[Mommykisses]

I wonder why licorice root for dh is getting such bad results? I'm nervous now in 2ww .Should we drop this if I don't get my bfp this month ?

[Megan B]

I was thinking of having DH drop licorice root too and switch to olive leaf extract.

[atomic sagebrush]

I wonder why licorice root for dh is getting such bad results? I'm nervous now in 2ww .Should we drop this if I don't get my bfp this month ?

I believe it is a statistical quirk because the first few years of the site it got good results (70% range). And since this number, the 70% or so, was back in the day before we understood time on diet and one attempt mattered, I believe this to be a legitimate finding that has since been clouded/obscured by the success of other things.

To elaborate, since most people who use it are young and highly fertile, and those who conceive while using it have got pregnant quickly (since we drop it after a few months) this skews the stats since those people are also the more set for boys and this also translates with the least amount of time on diet, with a substantial minority % of the LR users getting pregnant with less than 12 weeks on diet. So it ends up being that the responders who got pregnant while using LR were already the most likely to conceive boys, and the responders who got pregnant not using LR were already the most likely to conceive girls.

This is actually the reverse of what has happened with OLE - I DO NOT yet believe that OLE is very effective and I think the stats on that are misleadingly high but since the people who use OLE are coming in the most set for pink (since I only tend to use that for older couples and men with sperm health issues, giving all others cranberry) I strongly suspect OLE is made to look far more effective than it really is.

I am using LR less and less since I can't totally trust in it the way I once did, but since those early results (not to mention what I observed back on IG, where it is also widely used) and also biologically in accordance with swaying theories all line up with LR swaying pink, I am not ready to ditch it. No one needs to use it if they don't want but a 27 year old dude with super sperm - I believe LR may help in that scenario, even if it isn't glaringly obvious from our numbers. not giving it up yet.

[atomic sagebrush]

I was thinking of having DH drop licorice root too and switch to olive leaf extract.

But OLE is NOT a sub for LR. They are two different things.

If you drop LR, go to peppermint tea for him.
OLE is a replacement for cranberry.

Do not use both LR and pep tea.
Do not use both OLE and cranberry.
YOu can add soy milk/food onto either combination and it may add something.

[Megan B]

Thank you for the advice. My husband will be 35 next month so he may not need LR anyway. It took us 5 months to get pregnant with DS.

[atomic sagebrush]

Just follow your gut. I promise that humans got and get baby girls every day without LR so if the spirit is not moving you, it is absolutely fine to skip it. :)

Only two things I believe to be proven for DH - smoking and jogging or biking.

[Megan B]

Well he just started jogging again... and he occasionally smokes cigars! Hopefully it will help! Thanks for everything you do, and that this website is doing!!

[atomic sagebrush]

You're welcome, it is my pleasure!

The only thing my husband did for our sway (deliberately) was start smoking a pipe! He didn't even do it that often and of course I did other things, but we did get a girl.

[blueeyedguys]

Stats are updated.

[Imama]

First cycle after MC.
What does it mean?
First egg (before first AF) or just first AF and then egg= so second egg?

[atomic sagebrush]

Kind of both, really. Technically we treat it as catching the first egg after a loss, but many times that egg is not catchable or people don't ovulate at all so we have expanded to include the second egg as well.

[blueeyedguys]

Removed the stats for RRL alone, although the original combined RRL/Peppermint/Spearmint stats are still there. I can remove those as well if needed and leave just the newer, peppermint/spearmint only stat. I also removed the RRL question from the input form.

I think I've also finally copied over all the sways that were added to the old sheet but not the new one. Those will show up in the next stats update.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you!!

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks so much!

[Debahlgrim]

Raspberry or peppermint tea has crazy good results? Wish I would have added that into my sway...


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[butterfly8]

what is 1 + j+d??

[XXforhubby]

It's jump and dump after BDing.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Raspberry or peppermint tea has crazy good results? Wish I would have added that into my sway...


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NO IT DOESN"T.

I am going to delete that right now. It is some sort of weird error that was inherited from the previous spreadsheet.

Look directly below that and you will see that pep tea has been disappointing.

EVERY known theory of swaying has RRLT down as swaying blue. I have used it less than 5 times, all in people who had gone on swaying for over a year not getting pregnant and most of whom were on Clomid or Femara. So I don't even know where all those people who supposedly drank that are even coming from since I do not and never have recommended that.

[atomic sagebrush]

what is 1 + j+d??

One attempt plus jump and dump either immediately or within 5 minutes.

[atomic sagebrush]

in the interest of full disclosure I want to document that I just deleted this statistic which is NOT ACCURATE and I believe is coming from some error in the previous spreadsheet.

RASPBERRY &/or PEPPERMINT TEA
Total sways: 59
Total success: 57
Success %: 96.61%
Inverse success %: 0

I have not ever and will not ever (unless someone hands me a study proving it) recommended RRLT for a pink sway. I have NO clue why this was ever in the stats, or why it was ever written down this way (RRLT OR peppermint?? that was not ever even a choice, they don't do the same things or even remotely close!!!)

Every theory of swaying indicates that RRLT should sway BLUE, not pink, and since we know that peppermint tea is only middle of the road effective based on our other results (still there on the main page to compare to) and since I don't even recommend RRLT for pink swayers, having only used it less than 5 times all in people who had gone on for a year or more not getting pregnant (at least one of whom I know got a boy), then there is absolutely completely and totally NO way that this statistic is real and it's some weird error in our previous spreadsheet (there were several mistakes that crept into that spreadsheet over time, which is why blueeyedguys was kind enough to make us a new one)

Additionally, there simply are NO sway tactics that effective. It makes NO LOGICAL SENSE that any tea would be 96% effective when not even Clomid or Femara are. Please apply common sense to things in swaying that are too good to be true because they usually are. TRust me, if I ever saw anything that I truly believed was 96% effective I would be screaming it at you all till I was blue in the face and not letting anyone sway without them. I pay very close attention to these stats and unlike everyone else, I've been here monitoring them month after month after month, watching the trends, watching the success rates rise and fall over time, I know all the origin stories of when they appeared and why. So please believe me when I say, I do NOT recommend RRLT for pink swayers at this point in time and this statistic is not based in any kind of reality on this site since no one is even using it.

[Verena]

Is it possible that there is a mistake in the stats for caffein as well? The total number for some and lots is 173 (the numbers for total and success seem to be flipped I guess?), but the individual numbers for some (121) and lots (21) add up to 141?

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[Dreaming_blue_and_pink]

Could someone please remove my sway from the statistics?

[atomic sagebrush]

Is it possible that there is a mistake in the stats for caffein as well? The total number for some and lots is 173 (the numbers for total and success seem to be flipped I guess?), but the individual numbers for some (121) and lots (21) add up to 141?

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I'll ask about this.

[blueeyedguys]

Is it possible that there is a mistake in the stats for caffein as well? The total number for some and lots is 173 (the numbers for total and success seem to be flipped I guess?), but the individual numbers for some (121) and lots (21) add up to 141?

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It's an artifact of changing the spreadsheet. Once upon a time, the spreadsheet didn't have an option for amount of caffeine, just yes or no. I went back through all the old sways on the site I could find to try to determine whether the "yes" replies would fit into 'Some' or 'Lots'. The difference between the 2 numbers (141 & 173) is the number of sways I couldn't get enough information to determine any thing more than they had caffeine. So, not a mistake, just not enough information.

The combined tea stat is another older stat which I went back through older sways to try to separate out & couldn't find any more info than the swayer drank tea. I suspect that's why it's artificially high, I believe I removed all the sways that actually included the kind of tea into their own stats, leaving only ones with no info. I can delete it from the totals list as it's confusing people.

[Verena]

It's an artifact of changing the spreadsheet. Once upon a time, the spreadsheet didn't have an option for amount of caffeine, just yes or no. I went back through all the old sways on the site I could find to try to determine whether the "yes" replies would fit into 'Some' or 'Lots'. The difference between the 2 numbers (141 & 173) is the number of sways I couldn't get enough information to determine any thing more than they had caffeine. So, not a mistake, just not enough information.

The combined tea stat is another older stat which I went back through older sways to try to separate out & couldn't find any more info than the swayer drank tea. I suspect that's why it's artificially high, I believe I removed all the sways that actually included the kind of tea into their own stats, leaving only ones with no info. I can delete it from the totals list as it's confusing people.Wow, that makes sense. I didn't know it was that complicated. Thanks for explaining! :-)

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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes it's really very challenging to keep them straight - thanks so much to blue eyed guys for having done this for us!

[pinkfairydust]

Could I just ask... if you ignore the J&D stats (I'm not doing J&D anymore anyway).. there seems to be minimal difference between having 1 attempt (66% success) and 2 attempts (64% success).

Am I missing something here? Perhaps diet sways more strongly than number of attempts?

[Hopefullmummy]

Yes it's really very challenging to keep them straight - thanks so much to blue eyed guys for having done this for us!

Can someone help me add my sway. I Ve searched and searched and filled out something but not sure if I did it right. I've been swaying for a year and finally am pregnant and found out I'm having a girl from the nipt test. I feel like I owe it to this community to share my statistics. Thanks.


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[pinkfairydust]

Congratulations! I'm not very technical but I'm sure someone else can send link- really want to read your sway! Great news x

[atomic sagebrush]

Could I just ask... if you ignore the J&D stats (I'm not doing J&D anymore anyway).. there seems to be minimal difference between having 1 attempt (66% success) and 2 attempts (64% success).

Am I missing something here? Perhaps diet sways more strongly than number of attempts?

As more people do sway tactics, the differences between them sometimes get lost in the shuffle. People come onto the site and hear "oo one attempt" and so do nothing else BUT that and then yes, of course, our statistics drop. This does not erase the history of what has happened on the site in the past. Luckily, I happen to know that history since I have been here all along and thus my recommendations (not to toot my own horn or anything LOL) are very, very much more reliable than any month in isolation's stat results.

Just to shed some light on this, what you cannot see is what originally happened that allowed us to see one attempt swayed hugely. Originally, none of us even guessed that number of attempts possibly swayed. So I was having people do frequency, timing, pH stuff, etc and then adding attempts to get pregnant. This was by far and away the worst results of the site. 58%. And this included people who were doing absolutely GREAT on diet for 12+ weeks (even though we didn't know that at that point either!) And I could see in the stats, a very strong trend where those who had had 3 attempts were in the 40% range, this rose to 60% with 2 attempts, the results for one attempt were 70-75%. And all the other things, the pH, timing, frequency, etc were disappointingly low. There was no other way to interpret the results other than one attempt was swaying.

Even though I honestly did not believe it, I immediately changed course. I had people do one attempt and dropped all the other stuff and our results went up and have stayed up ever since. Because of this, I am pretty sold on one attempt. Now, like I mentioned before, whenever there is an easy to do "magic bullet" kind of thing, OF COURSE the results go down because all these people who don't want to do diet and don't want to exercise will come along and start doing it, but that doesn't change what I have seen with my own two eyes - one attempt does something. I don't know what, I don't know why or how, but I believe in it.

NOw all that being said, 2 attempts always did get way better than 3! And if you need to do two to get pregnant, hey, lots of people have gotten girls that way - 60-65% with diet and exercise. But don't have 3 unless you have literally tried everything else first.

[atomic sagebrush]

If the "data entry" one didn't work, try filling this one out and then I'll update it for you manually to show gender. This is the one for before you know gender, but it only takes me a minute to update it.

https://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway-/12617-girl-attempt-survey-system-how-post-your-sway-info-upon-bfp-before-you-know-gender.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Can someone help me add my sway. I Ve searched and searched and filled out something but not sure if I did it right. I've been swaying for a year and finally am pregnant and found out I'm having a girl from the nipt test. I feel like I owe it to this community to share my statistics. Thanks.


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Was it this, Hopefull? https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdGv-4LcFKGdLA--KIsbw9IKy-KYKnnf9G_yr2rJiWHvrzlhw/viewform

[Hopefullmummy]

Was it this, Hopefull? https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdGv-4LcFKGdLA--KIsbw9IKy-KYKnnf9G_yr2rJiWHvrzlhw/viewform

Yes ! Did that few days ago :)


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[atomic sagebrush]

Ok then I suspect it will show up soon. Sometimes things have to be manually approved and I do nothing technical on the site, so I do not know how it even works (I should, but I basically just show up like everyone else and answer questions!) It is back to school time here and I know both of us are really slammed this month. :) Thanks so much for sharing your info and for patience.

[atomic sagebrush]

If the "data entry" one didn't work, try filling this one out and then I'll update it for you manually to show gender. This is the one for before you know gender, but it only takes me a minute to update it.

https://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway-/12617-girl-attempt-survey-system-how-post-your-sway-info-upon-bfp-before-you-know-gender.html

Or you can fill this one out instead and I will manually update the gender

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated.

Atomic, you should have a pm from me from a few weeks ago you said you'd reply to. Sorry to bug you, but I was worried it got buried.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you. I'll reply today.

[ksmom]

Just realized I never put in my stats on the spreadsheet from when I swayed with DS3 so I put them in!

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated. 7 new sways added & success % went up ever so slightly.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you blue eyed!

[blueeyedguys]

Updated.

[atomic sagebrush]

:bowdown: Thank you so very much!

[Kaikyan]

Hi,What’s ed4?


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[Kaikyan]

Hi I have 2 boys and ttc a girl.
Ed4 from when? After my AF or? Sorry am kinda confused.
If I wana try one attempt, when will that be?
Thanks


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[atomic sagebrush]

Hi,What’s ed4?


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It's the every 4 day method where you start having unprotected sex every 4 days or so starting after AF ends and going through until when you are 110% sure you have ovulated, even if that means going through until your next period starting.

[Kaikyan]

It's the every 4 day method where you start having unprotected sex every 4 days or so starting after AF ends and going through until when you are 110% sure you have ovulated, even if that means going through until your next period starting.

Thank you so much for the reply!
Sorry for the Long introduction.
I’m New here! Have been reading the forum for a week now. Have always been a silent reader all my life. But found this site so supportive and friendly.
Wished I had found this site sooner.
I have 2 lovely boys and now ttc a gal!
Conceived my two boys on Ov.
Im intending to start the LE diet.
I’m still breastfeeding my ds2 , seems that breastfeeding sways blue more since menstrual cycle is not regular?
Was going through the pink sway statistic,
May I know what does it mean for frequency :
Frequent BD(more BD than external release)?
Meaning BD all the way to OV?
Sorry am really a noob.




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[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome!

Breastfeeding sways pink not blue. Even and perhaps especially if your cycles are irregular

Don't do frequent BD, it's a bad tactic I have a full explanation in this thread https://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/58359-what-up-bd-thru-o-pink-lately.html

[Dreamgirl18]

Hey, this is amazing!!!! thank you so much rainbow and blueeyedguys for compiling and keeping these stats up to date. I do have a couple questions about the stats:

1) total sways of 466 represent the period Jan-9 Nov 2017 only?
2) of those 466, only 9 followed pcos diet ?
3) is there somewhere we can follow sample pcos diets from successful pcos sways?
4) do you know the length of time those pcos diet followers stayed on the diet?
5) as 21-24 weeks has the greatest success, is it safe to follow the pcos le diet along with the 60mins/6 days a week exercise routine for this length of time?

Thanks ladies!

[atomic sagebrush]

No, the total is since the beginning of the site, we imported the data from the old spreadsheet to the new one

No, many more people did it than that, it's just those are who reported that on the spreadsheet.

We have a support thread here: https://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/47264-le-diet-pcos.html

I advise everyone stay on diet 12 weeks to start with before TTC. I can't give you any more info than that.

No. Our success rates by number of weeks go up and down on the basis of sheer random chance. everything 12 weeks or more has been consistently great. YOU DO NOT NEED and in fact SHOULD NOT do diet 21-24 weeks before TTC. The reason is not because it's unsafe, it's actually a safe and healthy diet (and based on the recommendations of the World Health Organization for a helathy pre-pregnancy diet) it is because over time you may end up delaying or stopping ovulation eating too few calories. So when you do any swaying diet you should do it the minimum amount of time needed for good results (12 weeks) and then drop sway tactics over time (starting with the ineffective ones) to be sure you get pregnant in a timely fashion to prevent delays/stops of ovulation.

[Dreamgirl18]

No, the total is since the beginning of the site, we imported the data from the old spreadsheet to the new one

No, many more people did it than that, it's just those are who reported that on the spreadsheet.

We have a support thread here: https://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/47264-le-diet-pcos.html

I advise everyone stay on diet 12 weeks to start with before TTC. I can't give you any more info than that.

No. Our success rates by number of weeks go up and down on the basis of sheer random chance. everything 12 weeks or more has been consistently great. YOU DO NOT NEED and in fact SHOULD NOT do diet 21-24 weeks before TTC. The reason is not because it's unsafe, it's actually a safe and healthy diet (and based on the recommendations of the World Health Organization for a helathy pre-pregnancy diet) it is because over time you may end up delaying or stopping ovulation eating too few calories. So when you do any swaying diet you should do it the minimum amount of time needed for good results (12 weeks) and then drop sway tactics over time (starting with the ineffective ones) to be sure you get pregnant in a timely fashion to prevent delays/stops of ovulation.

thanks for your response atomic and thanks for the link to the support group !

one last question - for those who didn't report, do you by chance know if the success rate is high? i'm not looking for a figure or anything, just wondering if, from your interaction with others, you know if it's as highly successful as the small sample who reported (so, i'm really asking if you think the 89% rate in the stats is a true representation of the success of the diet?)

[Girlswaylondon]

I haven’t Concieved yet and have pcos and been doing the diet for 3 Months and I can say the weight loss alone is amazing, I find it hard to lose and I’ve lost over a stone! Also my periods are lighter and less painful, a lot of people without pcos follow it with great success too! I think it’s great :)

[atomic sagebrush]

thanks for your response atomic and thanks for the link to the support group !

one last question - for those who didn't report, do you by chance know if the success rate is high? i'm not looking for a figure or anything, just wondering if, from your interaction with others, you know if it's as highly successful as the small sample who reported (so, i'm really asking if you think the 89% rate in the stats is a true representation of the success of the diet?)

I have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about with 89%. PLEASE do not tell yourself artificially high success rates. Go off the overall success rate of the site which is about 2/3 of all pink swayers having successful sways.

yes it's all right in line, the PCOS Diet has been better overall but it's so much harder for people to stick to.

with my blue swayers, actually far more successful people do NOT add their sways than those who do. Our blue sways are artificially low because people who have successful blue sways don't always come back to add their info while the blue swayers who get opposites are for whatever reason highly motivated to make sure everyone knows that LOL

[atomic sagebrush]

Also I feel like you're putting a lot of emphasis on these stats which no one should EVER do because of all the reasons I have spelled out in this thread. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/43555-thoughts-stats.html Our stats are not scientific and while we have been able to pick out some important trends, they just are not worthy of the importance you guys put on them for planning sways.

[Dreamgirl18]

I have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about with 89%. PLEASE do not tell yourself artificially high success rates. Go off the overall success rate of the site which is about 2/3 of all pink swayers having successful sways.

yes it's all right in line, the PCOS Diet has been better overall but it's so much harder for people to stick to.

with my blue swayers, actually far more successful people do NOT add their sways than those who do. Our blue sways are artificially low because people who have successful blue sways don't always come back to add their info while the blue swayers who get opposites are for whatever reason highly motivated to make sure everyone knows that LOL

uhhhh artificially???? it's in the stats on the first page! i'm not telling myself anything, i'm asking a question based on the stats posted :confused:.

i got the 89% success rate from the stats on the first page under the le pcos diet:
"LE PCOS 9
-Total Success 8
-Success % 88.89% "

Also, i'm not putting alot on it, i was JUST asking a question as I saw only a small sample had reported on it and simply wanted to know if the over all results for the pcos diet was as good as the few who reported on it. In fact, i specifically said I wasn't looking for a figure!!! i really just wanted to know if it was getting good results. I'm new to the site and this is one of the first threads I looked at, simply because it seemed like an overview of the success of the diets and sway tactics....i looked specifically at pcos, as i have pcos.

thanks for the thoughts on stats link. the site has alot of information and is pretty overwhelming but I'll read as much as I can instead of asking a question on here

[Dreamgirl18]

I haven’t Concieved yet and have pcos and been doing the diet for 3 Months and I can say the weight loss alone is amazing, I find it hard to lose and I’ve lost over a stone! Also my periods are lighter and less painful, a lot of people without pcos follow it with great success too! I think it’s great :)

Hey, thank you for the info :happy:

Hoping you conceive soon :fx:

[ksmom]

The good stats for the PCOS diet is such a small sample size that I wouldn't take it as the holy grail but we have had quite a few ladies have good success with it (I suspect many ladies do not add in their results, thus skewing it a bit). Atomic often recommends that diet to those who don't even have PCOS but swayed before on regular LE and got a boy. Dreamgirl if you have PCOS then definitely do the PCOS version of LE. It's way better for blood sugar.

[atomic sagebrush]

8 of 9 people is not a legit sample size. It's artificially inflated based on being a small sample size. if that was 80 of 90 people then maybe but 8 of 9 is not anything to pay attention to. one or two "lucky" sways drops that right back down into the 65-70% range and I want you guys to look at the biggest, most reliable number which is 65-70% and when you asked me "is PCOS diet getting good results" that is what I meant, not 89%. PCOS Diet has gotten as good or better results.

I answer dozens if not hundreds of questions a day and I type fast. If that reply seems snippy, not at all my intention, just that it is of paramount importance to me to not give people falsely high expectations from swaying. That's what lots of other sites on the internet do and it's extremely a big deal to me that you guys go in with the lowest realistic expectations that you can. I'd literally rather eat broken glass than have people decide to sway based on unreasonably high stats. That would be very dishonest of me and also set you guys up for heartbreak so I have to be very vocal about reasonable expectations from swaying since i couldn't live with myself if I didn't.

You guys are always welcome to ask questions and I'm always happy to answer them. Just cut me slack if I answer too fast or in a confusing way since I do try very hard to answer all questions thoroughly and personally and all within only a few days. :) Just keep asking till it all falls into place.

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated. There were 2 new sways from last month.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much Blue!! So very much appreciated!

[Verena]

Hi atomic,

from the statistics for aspartame you could get the impression that it sways blue. The total numbers aren't that high, but there seems to be a clear correlation between aspartame intake and number of people getting boys. Could this be true?

Those are the numbers:

Aspartame - none29

Total success:23

Success %:79.31%

Aspartame - a little20

Total success:13

Success %:65%

Aspartame - some20

Total success:24

Success %:63.16%

Aspartame - lots27

Total success:15

Success %:55.56%

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[atomic sagebrush]

I already have that impression and have been watching that for many years.

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/44710-hypothetical-aspartame-thread.html

I do not ever, and never have, recommended lots of aspartame. My guideline is 2-3 servings a day for those who wish to use it and I am fine with people skipping it. I got my girl without it after getting my 4th boy using it.

BUT the thing is those numbers are not reliable because all those people were doing many other things to sway and the people doing tons of aspartame were generally doing very "old school" sways in many other ways none of which I recommend and many of which I believe to sway strongly blue anyway. And all those sample sizes are tiny - not to mention we don't really know what "some" and "lots" mean to anyone. So, the strong correlation you think you're seeing is not really there - but yeah I do wonder if lots of aspartame is not a good idea for any number of reasons.

[Girlswaylondon]

Atomic I’ve been using the sweetener aspartame in my coffee to avoid sugar (pcos) what other sweetener would you recommend instead?

[Verena]

I already have that impression and have been watching that for many years.

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/44710-hypothetical-aspartame-thread.html

I do not ever, and never have, recommended lots of aspartame. My guideline is 2-3 servings a day for those who wish to use it and I am fine with people skipping it. I got my girl without it after getting my 4th boy using it.

BUT the thing is those numbers are not reliable because all those people were doing many other things to sway and the people doing tons of aspartame were generally doing very "old school" sways in many other ways none of which I recommend and many of which I believe to sway strongly blue anyway. And all those sample sizes are tiny - not to mention we don't really know what "some" and "lots" mean to anyone. So, the strong correlation you think you're seeing is not really there - but yeah I do wonder if lots of aspartame is not a good idea for any number of reasons.Thank for the link atomic! That is so interesting. I always (or better since knowing about swaying ;-)) wondered why my cousin has three boys. She is kind of prototype girl mom. One months before her last pregnancy she even got removed big parts of her thyroid (she had that kind of thyroid disease where you get really skinny). She just had stopped breastfeeding and her last pregnancy before that was only 9 months ago. I was sure she was having a girl... But she drinks tons of diet coke. I know, one person is not statistics, but I will try to avoid aspartame now (not really eating/drinking lots of it anyway).

Isn't there a relation that aspartame somehow makes your blood sugar rise on the long term although it actually should do the opposite? I think I read something about it...

[emoji170] 08/2014 [emoji170] 04/2016

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic I’ve been using the sweetener aspartame in my coffee to avoid sugar (pcos) what other sweetener would you recommend instead?

2-3 servings a day is FINE. I am talking about the people who use insane amounts of aspartame.

Just stick to 2-3 servings a day of aspartame and that is fine.

PCOSers need to limit sugar. Aspartame has its uses.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank for the link atomic! That is so interesting. I always (or better since knowing about swaying ;-)) wondered why my cousin has three boys. She is kind of prototype girl mom. One months before her last pregnancy she even got removed big parts of her thyroid (she had that kind of thyroid disease where you get really skinny). She just had stopped breastfeeding and her last pregnancy before that was only 9 months ago. I was sure she was having a girl... But she drinks tons of diet coke. I know, one person is not statistics, but I will try to avoid aspartame now (not really eating/drinking lots of it anyway).

Isn't there a relation that aspartame somehow makes your blood sugar rise on the long term although it actually should do the opposite? I think I read something about it...

[emoji170] 08/2014 [emoji170] 04/2016

Swaying is an iceberg. There are dozens, if not hundreds of things that may sway for a person (and some speculation that some types of thyroid disease may sway blue anyway) and so we can not ever look at a person and say "why did they get boys/girls" because there are so many things under the surface.

It is fine for your blood sugar to go up temporarily when you eat aspartame (or food for that matter) because it then drops afterwards. The problem with aspartame is that it causes your blood sugar to crash hard because your body thinks you've eaten something and then you haven't and it makes it overall harder to stick with diets. That's why it's fallen out of favor. But it can be useful especially for swayers with PCOS or who have a lot of weight to lose.

This is not about needing to drop aspartame totally, it's about not doing those insane mind boggling amounts of aspartame that some people do.

[blueeyedguys]

Atomic I’ve been using the sweetener aspartame in my coffee to avoid sugar (pcos) what other sweetener would you recommend instead?

If you do want to avoid aspartame, though, stevia seems like a good option. My husband (diabetic) uses it.

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated. 6 new sways.

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated. 5 new sways were added since Jan update.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much!

[luv4pink]

I wasn't sure where to post this but we swayed pink and are having a beautiful baby GIRL [emoji322][emoji1317][emoji166] due August 26th


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[atomic sagebrush]

I wasn't sure where to post this but we swayed pink and are having a beautiful baby GIRL [emoji322][emoji1317][emoji166] due August 26th


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AAA oh gosh so happy for you!! Please do an add your sway and add the info to the spreadsheet if you would like!

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated. 6 new sways again.

Also, I thought this study might interest you, Atomic, if you haven't seen it before. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24462060/?i=3&from=/9886513/related

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks so much from the bottom of my heart!!

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated. 7 new sways added.

[atomic sagebrush]

That's great! Thank you so very much! Can't wait to look at them!

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated. 4 new sways.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you BEG!!!

[Girlswaylondon]

Wow look at those stats!! 69% amazing!

[Faey]

I do not understand the alcohol statistics 🙈

ALCOHOL
none
- Total sways 117
- Total success 80
- Success% 68.38%

A little
Total Sways 35
Total Success 24
Succes% 68.57%

Some
Total Sways 26
Total Success 19
Succes% 73.08%

Lots
Total Sways 23
Total Success 17
Success% 73.91%

ALCOHOL TYPE
Wine Sways 109
- Total success 78
- Success% 71.56%

Spirits Sways 32
- Total success 24
- Success% 75%

Beer Sways 10
- Total success 5
- Success% 50%

Other Alcohol Sways 30
- Total success 20
- Success% 66.67%

All alcohol 170
- Total success 127
- Success% 74.71%

A little, some and lots amount to 84. How can there be a total of 351 sways in "Alcohol Type"? 🤔

[Faey]

The same with caffeine, sugar, aspartame, breakfast

CAFFEINE
Total sways (Some and Lots): 140
Total success: 216
Success%: 64.81%
Inverse success%: 0

CAFFEINE - none 58
Total Success 23
Success% 39.66%

CAFFEINE - some 144
Total Success 93
Success% 64.58%

CAFFEINE - lots 26
Total Success 26
Success% 100%

SUGAR
Total sways (Some and Lots): 139
Total success: 209
Success%: 66.51%
Inverse success%:

SUGAR - none 45
Total Success 23
Success% 51.11%

Sugar - a little 25
Total Success 21
Success% 84%

SUGAR - some 143
Total Success 93
Success% 65.03%

SUGAR - lots 41
Total Success 26
Success% 63.41%

Aspartame - all sways
Total sways 68
Total success 104
Success% 65.38%
Inverse success%

Aspartame - none 38
Total success: 29
Success%: 76.32%

Aspartame - a little 29
Total success: 21
Success%: 72.41%

Aspartame - some 29
Total success: 30
Success%: 66.67%

Aspartame - lots 30
Total success: 17
Success%: 56.67%

SKIPPING BREAKFAST
No: Total Sways 73
Total Success 49
Success% 67.12%

Yes: Total Sways 274
Total Success 175
Success% 63.87%

Some days: Total Sways 13
Total Success 10
Success% 76.92%

Most days: Total Sways 18
Total Success 13
Success% 72.22%

Everyday: Total Sways 70
Total Success 49
Success% 70%

Through OV / pos OPK (all) 322
- Total success 205
- Success% 68.42%

OV (confirmed) 150
- Total success 102
- Success% 68%

Pos OPK 139
- Total success 83
- Success% 59.71%

Sorry :oops:

[Throwaway_panther]

Could you clarify what you find confusing? Essentially both statistics show that alcohol and caffeine as part of an LE sway are successful, and happen to break it down more specifically (for example: whether beer was more successful than liquor, or if 'some caffeine' was better than 'lots of caffeine.'

In the case of little/lot/some alcohol not equaling the total number, I'm pretty sure that only 84 people specified how much alcohol (versus everyone else just saying they included alcohol in general in their sway).

[Linni]

The same with caffeine, sugar, aspartame, breakfast

CAFFEINE

Total success: 216
Success%: 64.81%
Inverse success%: 0

CAFFEINE - none 58
Total Success 23
Success% 39.66%

CAFFEINE - some 144
Total Success 93
Success% 64.58%

CAFFEINE - lots 26
Total Success 26
Success% 100%

SUGAR
Total sways (Some and Lots): 139
Total success: 209
Success%: 66.51%
Inverse success%:

SUGAR - none 45
Total Success 23
Success% 51.11%

Sugar - a little 25
Total Success 21
Success% 84%

SUGAR - some 143
Total Success 93
Success% 65.03%

SUGAR - lots 41
Total Success 26
Success% 63.41%

Aspartame - all sways
Total sways 68
Total success 104
Success% 65.38%
Inverse success%

Aspartame - none 38
Total success: 29
Success%: 76.32%

Aspartame - a little 29
Total success: 21
Success%: 72.41%

Aspartame - some 29
Total success: 30
Success%: 66.67%

Aspartame - lots 30
Total success: 17
Success%: 56.67%

SKIPPING BREAKFAST
No: Total Sways 73
Total Success 49
Success% 67.12%

Yes: Total Sways 274
Total Success 175
Success% 63.87%

Some days: Total Sways 13
Total Success 10
Success% 76.92%

Most days: Total Sways 18
Total Success 13
Success% 72.22%

Everyday: Total Sways 70
Total Success 49
Success% 70%

Through OV / pos OPK (all) 322
- Total success 205
- Success% 68.42%

OV (confirmed) 150
- Total success 102
- Success% 68%

Pos OPK 139
- Total success 83
- Success% 59.71%

Sorry :oops:

For example „caffeine“:

Total sways: 140, and the total success number is 216? I don‘t get it as well [emoji848][emoji28]

And it says „Total sways (Some and Lots): 140“, but the number of some (144) and lots (26) add up to 170...?




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[Faey]

Thanks, Linni! I could not even explain it in German LOL :o

[atomic sagebrush]

These stats are for entertainment purposes only. I strongly advise not taking them at all seriously. I don't keep the stats, the person who does is a volunteer who does it in her free time. We are not doing a study here and this information is what it is. Any strong trends will jump out at us, any small trends (such as the difference between "some" and "lots") is really probably unimportant. I have an essay about it here. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/43555-thoughts-stats.html

Fact is, our results are better than they've ever been and we are keeping track of that in a different way here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway-/63475-swayed-girl-2018-a.html and here: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/59132-coin-flips-random-thoughts.html

[blueeyedguys]

Stats updated. 4 new sways.

As for the stats, the totals aren't the same people a lot are from before we added the different categories. It's been quite awhile since I changed it and I didn't make any notes, but I think the total is only from before the change was made. So any sways added after will just be in the None/Some/Lots section. In other words, the total success group is completely separate and from different sways than the the others. It's the total of people who didn't chose one of the other options, not the total of all sways who chose any of the options.

At one point, I did try going through all the sway posts of people who only had said they'd had caffeine (or alcohol) but not the amounts. Many didn't give enough information to determine anything, or had no post at all, and it took a lot of slow, painstaking work that didn't really seem worth it after I'd lost who I was on for the second time and realised there were always going to be some people who would have to remain in the totals category.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh of course! Thank you so very much for letting us know how that all worked - we appreciate it!

Thank you so very much for the update!! :heart:

[sam107]

I love looking at stats!! [emoji7] thank you so much for doing this! Have u ever thought of creating a questionnaire?


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