New 2018 Clomid AND Femara support threads!

[atomic sagebrush]

emshe - I do not recommend aspirin for anyone who does not have a proven blood clotting disorder (and the handful of people who insist on taking it for swaying) It does NOT help with implantation and only helps prevent miscarriage in a minority of people who have blood clotting disorders. Some information indicates that it may CAUSE miscarriage in some other people. So I can't recommend it for anyone who has not been told to take it for some specific reason.

[atomic sagebrush]

Emshe - I forget but did you say they told you to move Clomid back from days 3-7 to 5-9 because of your short LP? Because I think my OBGYN told me the opposite - when he started me on it he said do days 3-7 because I have such short cycles and a shorter LP (about 10 days). Also - When I saw the RE last month, she said that Clomid works better (in terms of conception) when taken days 3-7. She didn't really tell me what that was based on (data/studies/her experience), but she seemed pretty confident in that. And I think I told you this before, but I definitely saw more changes in the way my body was responding to Clomid on my 3rd cycle taking it then I did in the first two cycles - it was like it really "kicked in" on that 3rd cycle.

Are you thinking of taking this cycle off and then trying w/ Clomid again next cycle or trying this cycle and then taking a break next cycle?

This is also what my observation was - the people on 5-9 just were not getting pregnant and the people with CD 3-7 were. :agree:

[atomic sagebrush]

And no, baby aspirin does not really sway. When we calculated the inverses we found the identical number of people getting girls with and without using it, and this was about the same as the overall success rate of the site. If something works we need to see more people getting girls with it than without it and this number needs to be higher than the overall success rate of the site to prove it's adding something beyond what we are already getting with the other sway tactics.

[emshe]

And no, baby aspirin does not really sway. When we calculated the inverses we found the identical number of people getting girls with and without using it, and this was about the same as the overall success rate of the site. If something works we need to see more people getting girls with it than without it and this number needs to be higher than the overall success rate of the site to prove it's adding something beyond what we are already getting with the other sway tactics.

The diet really doesn’t bother me & I love the exercise, nothing to do with the sway is difficult although my weight hasn’t really come back on, it’s staying more stable.

I guess my concern with the clomid is my luteal phase? But looking at it (see below) taking it days 3-7 was actually better for luteal phase as it bought ov forward. Maybe I should try day 2-6?

First clomid cycle I took it @CD 3-7
Positive opk @CD 15(9pm)
Likely ovulation @CD 16 or 17
AF started @CD 25, spotting 24
LP - 8-9 days

Second clomid cycle I took it @CD 5-9
Positive opk @CD 18
Likely ovulation @ CD 19
AF started @ CD 26 spotting from 24( start at CD 26 to be confirmed but things really seem to be kicking off now)
LP - 6 days


I am tempted to give clomid another go and then have a natural cycle the next 1 or 2 if my lp doesn’t improve. Then that’s it.

Anything else I can do to lengthen the luteal phase? I do 4 eggs, salmon 1/week, yoghurt daily, & always hit 50-60g fat & protein. Maybe pull back exercise to 5 times? Any supplements or do they sway strongly? I’m hitting 1700 cals, but the amount of veg I eat that’s not included is quite a lot, I love my Veges. Should I go higher again?

I do feel a month off without trying is a good idea. I’ve booked a weekend away where we conceived our first [emoji72] and I plan to drink a few drinks beyond meal times for the first time in years... 2 days of not really adhering too strictly, something that will thrill hubby! He may not want to ever get back. I will definitely go over on numbers whilst away [emoji51]

Thank you so much atomic, you rock!
& for the info on aspirin





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[MrsEnglish]

Sorry about over sharing, but irl I don't talk about this with anyone so I'm bubbling over:

I felt twinges in my uterus yesterday.

[onebigwish]

Sorry about over sharing, but irl I don't talk about this with anyone so I'm bubbling over:

I felt twinges in my uterus yesterday.

Hmm i felt that too yesterday but didn’t have my attempt yet. Maybe I’m thinking to much about getting pg

[atomic sagebrush]

Hmm i felt that too yesterday but didn’t have my attempt yet. Maybe I’m thinking to much about getting pg

I still feel them sometimes and I am 10000% not pregnant.

I know it's exciting but I feel like people get more upset when they symptom spot then when they don't.

i hope this is is, Mrs. E!

[atomic sagebrush]

I actually think CD 2-6 is worse than CD 5-9. I suspect CD 2-6 makes a poorer lining.

What happens with Clomid is that it blocks estrogen. You kind of need things to get going a little before you start the Clomid so you aren't totally without estrogen when it's time for you to get ready to ovulate. Your lining is actually growing even when you are on your period, growing from the inside out, and it's 2/5 to 3/5 of the way grown back while you are still on your period. If you start the Clomid too early, I believe it interrupts this process and your body then doesn't have time to make as good a lining because the estrogen gets blocked and then everything starts to go pear shaped. Remember we have no idea how any of this works really, and I feel very emphatic that the CD 3-7 is best for most people and this is especially true for people who are having trouble on it anyway.

go up to 6 eggs a week and yes do cut back exercise. Up cals to 1800-2000. keep eating the vegetables.

none of the supplements that supposedly help with LP do anything and many of them make matters worse because they also delay ovulation.

Have a wonderful weekend away!!!!

[emshe]

I actually think CD 2-6 is worse than CD 5-9. I suspect CD 2-6 makes a poorer lining.

What happens with Clomid is that it blocks estrogen. You kind of need things to get going a little before you start the Clomid so you aren't totally without estrogen when it's time for you to get ready to ovulate. Your lining is actually growing even when you are on your period, growing from the inside out, and it's 2/5 to 3/5 of the way grown back while you are still on your period. If you start the Clomid too early, I believe it interrupts this process and your body then doesn't have time to make as good a lining because the estrogen gets blocked and then everything starts to go pear shaped. Remember we have no idea how any of this works really, and I feel very emphatic that the CD 3-7 is best for most people and this is especially true for people who are having trouble on it anyway.

go up to 6 eggs a week and yes do cut back exercise. Up cals to 1800-2000. keep eating the vegetables.

none of the supplements that supposedly help with LP do anything and many of them make matters worse because they also delay ovulation.

Have a wonderful weekend away!!!!

Got it! I’ll do 3-7 again, you had hoped the 5-9 may work better but unfortunately it didn’t seem to. Pinning my hopes on responding better to it in June based on being more used to it.
My lining was always thick at early scans for HT so I think it will be fine with 3-7!? My AF was almost as heavy as always so hasn’t impacted that. Maybe I’m lacking iron?

Will cut back to 5 days exercise for a while. And yeah I’ve been hitting 1800 a lot so I’ll keep going. Definitely 2000 while away with a few extra alcohol [emoji6]
Good to know about supps I’ll stick with folate & metformin.

Thank you I’m sure we will enjoy ourselves!


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[MrsEnglish]

Even though I'm impulsive in most areas, I've been uncharacteristically disciplined about not POAS early. The earliest I've ever POAS is 12 DPO. BUT this cycle I have unusually high hopes of being pregnant so I'm going to test tomorrow which will be 9 or 10 DPO. I have such high hopes for this cycle, that I feel like if I get a BFN tomorrow that will be an easier letdown than if I wait until 13 DPO like I originally planned.

[emshe]

Even though I'm impulsive in most areas, I've been uncharacteristically disciplined about not POAS early. The earliest I've ever POAS is 12 DPO. BUT this cycle I have unusually high hopes of being pregnant so I'm going to test tomorrow which will be 9 or 10 DPO. I have such high hopes for this cycle, that I feel like if I get a BFN tomorrow that will be an easier letdown than if I wait until 13 DPO like I originally planned.

I will be everything crossed for a bfp for you Mrs English


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[Pbn3]

All the best MrsEnglish! Hope to see you post your bfp in the next few days!

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[emshe]

Atomic, do you think this month would still sway pink having done clomid for the last 2 cycles. Or does it only sway the month following if you’ve been on it consistently for longer, say 6 months?


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[MrsEnglish]

Basically, I'm pretty sure I got BFN with a small evap line.

Supposed to look 5-10 minutes after testing, so I looked 5 minutes after and Stark BFN. An hour and a half later I looked and saw the lightest ever line which I'm pretty sure was colorless.

I'm not sure whether today is 9 or 10 DPO, but I'm going to go with 9 DPO because that gives me more hope. This was a super sensitive HCG test that advertises that you can use it 4 days before period is due.

I'm planning on testing again on Wednesday which would be 11 DPO, and if that's negative, I'll wait until Monday which would be 16 DPO.

[ManchesterMrs]

Well looks like af has got me again this morning. Another 8 day luteal I think. I’m going to do one more Femara cycle but up to the dose to 7.5mg and then just try naturally from then on using vitex to lengthen my lp. Worked for me before and I am doing plenty of swaying in other ways. My af symptoms seem to be a lot worse this month - I rarely get period cramps and back ache. Dunno if that is a good sign! On the plus side feeling a lot less stressed out that I did a few weeks ago and am v busy with work so hopefully that will help too.

As well as vitex, am also thinking of taking pregnitude. Hear it sways pink and seems to have worked for a lot of women.

Might also get my thyroid, testosterone levels checked by the doc too. Nothing to lose.

[ManchesterMrs]

Basically, I'm pretty sure I got BFN with a small evap line.

Supposed to look 5-10 minutes after testing, so I looked 5 minutes after and Stark BFN. An hour and a half later I looked and saw the lightest ever line which I'm pretty sure was colorless.

I'm not sure whether today is 9 or 10 DPO, but I'm going to go with 9 DPO because that gives me more hope. This was a super sensitive HCG test that advertises that you can use it 4 days before period is due.

I'm planning on testing again on Wednesday which would be 11 DPO, and if that's negative, I'll wait until Monday which would be 16 DPO.

Best of luck MrsEnglish!

[MrsEnglish]

I don't think I'm pregnant anymore. Not because of the 9DPO BFN, but because today I had to solve a math problem and I got it right. Pregnancy makes me stupid for the entire 1st trimester.

This sucks.

[MrsEnglish]

I don't think I'm pregnant anymore. Not because of the 9DPO BFN, but because today I had to solve a math problem and I got it right. Pregnancy makes me stupid for the entire 1st trimester.

This sucks.

And I'm not talking about a simple arithmetic problem either. It was from my high schooler neighbor's algebra homework and it was the kind of stuff that I found hard back when I was in high school.

[emshe]

I’ll still hold hope for you Mrs English & Mrs Manchester.

Every pregnancy can be different Mrs E [emoji6]🤞🏻


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[ManchesterMrs]

99% sure this is AF. Will do a test tomorrow though to be sure and will start 7.5mg Femara dose tomorrow night. I am so sick of this short luteal phase now! This will be my fifth cycle post partum and the most it has got to is 8/9 days! I did have this problem last time I was ttc though and it naturally got 1 day longer every month until it got to 8 days and then I got pregnant. I am so impatient though and it feels like no chance of pregnancy until it is longer. If not pregnant this next cycle with a super dose of Femara, I will start vitex (lengthened my lp before) and maybe pregnitude too as I have heard good things about it and it is supposed to sway pink. Good luck Mrs English! Surely odds are that at least one of us will be preggo soon!

[onebigwish]

I regret i took clomid,yesterday night i was in so much pain like my ovaries gonna explode! Took it cd2-6 and today is cd12 for me still no positive opk.

[emshe]

I regret i took clomid,yesterday night i was in so much pain like my ovaries gonna explode! Took it cd2-6 and today is cd12 for me still no positive opk.

Poor you, hope it settles down soon & you get your positive opk


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[onebigwish]

The pain is better it turned in to a very high libido lol!! I’ll have my attempt tonight (cd13)because im traveling and dh wont be with me. Normally i get my positive opk without clomid on cd 12/13 & because i only take it for swaying purposes i think i get my positive opk tomorrow.

[emshe]

The pain is better it turned in to a very high libido lol!! I’ll have my attempt tonight (cd13)because im traveling and dh wont be with me. Normally i get my positive opk without clomid on cd 12/13 & because i only take it for swaying purposes i think i get my positive opk tomorrow.

Yay, good luck!!!


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[MrsEnglish]

11 DPO and BFN. Stark BFN, no ands ifs or buts. After a 7 hour overnight hold.

I'm expecting AF on Friday or Saturday :(

[emshe]

11 DPO and BFN. Stark BFN, no ands ifs or buts. After a 7 hour overnight hold.

I'm expecting AF on Friday or Saturday :(

Shame, but lots don’t get their bfp this early?


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[ManchesterMrs]

Shame, but lots don’t get their bfp this early?


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You aren’t out until you get af! Lots of examples of people getting later bfps. Good luck! I am starting 7.5mg Femara tonight and starting taking myo-inositol.

[onebigwish]

Is it normal to feel nauseous right after ovulation /conception? I also have sore nipples. I’m wondering are those side effects from clomid or very early pregnancy symptoms? I’ve never had that before

[atomic sagebrush]

I regret i took clomid,yesterday night i was in so much pain like my ovaries gonna explode! Took it cd2-6 and today is cd12 for me still no positive opk.

That's really common on Clomid, I know it sucks though. Hang in there.

[atomic sagebrush]

Is it normal to feel nauseous right after ovulation /conception? I also have sore nipples. I’m wondering are those side effects from clomid or very early pregnancy symptoms? I’ve never had that before

Yes I have occasionally had nausea after ovulation (when not pregnant). It's the sudden rise in progesterone. The Clomid makes things like this more noticeable

[atomic sagebrush]

11 DPO and BFN. Stark BFN, no ands ifs or buts. After a 7 hour overnight hold.

I'm expecting AF on Friday or Saturday :(

Still crossing fingers and toes for you Mrs. E.

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't think I'm pregnant anymore. Not because of the 9DPO BFN, but because today I had to solve a math problem and I got it right. Pregnancy makes me stupid for the entire 1st trimester.

This sucks.

CRAP, I think I'm pregnant! LOL

[atomic sagebrush]

99% sure this is AF. Will do a test tomorrow though to be sure and will start 7.5mg Femara dose tomorrow night. I am so sick of this short luteal phase now! This will be my fifth cycle post partum and the most it has got to is 8/9 days! I did have this problem last time I was ttc though and it naturally got 1 day longer every month until it got to 8 days and then I got pregnant. I am so impatient though and it feels like no chance of pregnancy until it is longer. If not pregnant this next cycle with a super dose of Femara, I will start vitex (lengthened my lp before) and maybe pregnitude too as I have heard good things about it and it is supposed to sway pink. Good luck Mrs English! Surely odds are that at least one of us will be preggo soon!

DO NOT just take Pregnitude without a valid reason!!!! Do you have PCOS?

[emshe]

CRAP, I think I'm pregnant! LOL

This! Me too.
So funny

[ManchesterMrs]

[QUOTE=atomic sagebrush;979020]DO NOT just take Pregnitude without a valid reason!!!! Do you have PCOS?

Hi atomic, I am actually just taking myo insolitol as couldn’t get hold of Pregnitude. I took myo last time I was ttc - as well as loads of other interventions like acupuncture/preseed etc. It definitely seems to help regulate my cycle - just like vitex did before ds1.

I think with my irregular cycles etc I might have PCOS tendencies. And I am on cycle 5 with a short luteal so I feel I have nothing to lose. Plus it seems to sway pink.

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, actually you DO have something to lose if you're taking it without needing to since it's caused a lot of trouble for people when they took it without needing to.

How much weight do you have to spare? CAn you give me a brief writeup of the timeline in which your LP got short? Has it been short all the time or only since dieting (and I"m sure you've written this up in this thread already but it would save me a lot of time if you did it again)

There are two reasons why your cycle gets wonky. One of them is PCOS tendencies. But the opposite is from having too low hormone levels and this happens to people on LE Diet. Myoinositol lowers hormone levels which is great for PCOS, but for those who are having too low hormone levels, it's throwing gasoline on a fire. and it's totally possible to go from having PCOS tendencies with too high hormone levels, to the opposite problem. So we need to be sure about what is really going on here before just starting that up.

[onebigwish]

Omg I’m so nauseous almost gonna throw up! Im also very tired,can sleep everywhere a very deep nap. I thought the side effect from clomid are only in the 5days you take them. I’m 2dpo i hope those are conception symptoms!

[ManchesterMrs]

Well, actually you DO have something to lose if you're taking it without needing to since it's caused a lot of trouble for people when they took it without needing to.

How much weight do you have to spare? CAn you give me a brief writeup of the timeline in which your LP got short? Has it been short all the time or only since dieting (and I"m sure you've written this up in this thread already but it would save me a lot of time if you did it again)

There are two reasons why your cycle gets wonky. One of them is PCOS tendencies. But the opposite is from having too low hormone levels and this happens to people on LE Diet. Myoinositol lowers hormone levels which is great for PCOS, but for those who are having too low hormone levels, it's throwing gasoline on a fire. and it's totally possible to go from having PCOS tendencies with too high hormone levels, to the opposite problem. So we need to be sure about what is really going on here before just starting that up.

I had short luteal phase when I was last trying to conceive (the few cycles after my failed cycle at Genesis). It got longer by one day every month until I conceived. This time it has been post partum and my first luteal phase was 6 days, my second luteal was 7days, my third was 9 days and my last one was 8 days. I have also had late ovulation (days 24 and 23 respectively) apart from my first round on Femara where I ovulated day 17. I don’t think it is caused by the diet because I have been on the diet since November when I was still breastfeeding a couple of times a day. I didn’t get my first period until January.

I think I have PCOS tendencies as I have got pregnant once on vitex and once on myo inositol and they do seem to regulate my cycles (vitex especially). I definitely have lazy ovaries which is why I’ve upped my Femara to 7.5mg.

If I am not pregnant this cycle I am restarting vitex.

Thanks atomic for any advice you have xx

[atomic sagebrush]

Omg I’m so nauseous almost gonna throw up! Im also very tired,can sleep everywhere a very deep nap. I thought the side effect from clomid are only in the 5days you take them. I’m 2dpo i hope those are conception symptoms!

No, you can have side effects from Clomid at other points of high hormones in the cycle you have taken it. You can't be getting pregnancy symptoms until more like 7 DPO or even later so this is a Clomid thing and not conception-related (although you can of course be pregnant, just that is not what is causing the symptoms.)

[atomic sagebrush]

Diet affects you more the longer you have been on it.

Please don't restart vitex. It's gotten terrible results. if you must take the myoinositol, your call to make, but please just do that and not the vitex.

[MrsEnglish]

AF arrived today :(

I'm not going to do Clomid this cycle. I'll just try my best with diet and exercise and hope that's enough to make me ovulate on my own.

[atomic sagebrush]

Aww, bummer. I'm sorry it wasn't the month. Let me know how I can help for next month!

[ManchesterMrs]

AF arrived today :(

I'm not going to do Clomid this cycle. I'll just try my best with diet and exercise and hope that's enough to make me ovulate on my own.

Really sorry Mrs E. I thought this might be your month. Good idea to give Clomid a rest - I am going to do the same re Femara if I don’t conceive this cycle.

Have you thought about trying myo insolitol? It seems to work well for PCOS. Wishing you all the best xx

[SuttonBailey]

Hi all! I've been following this thread for a while and I'm hoping to start my clomid soon! My question is, does anyone have any experience with 25mg? How effective was it and how harsh were the side effects?

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[emshe]

Sorry Mrs English, what a shame. Cheering you on this cycle!

Hi SuttonBailey! I have only used 50mg but other than a bit more moodiness and not so great sleep I didn't find any harsh side effects from the clomid. Hope it works out for you.

[Linni]

Hi all! I've been following this thread for a while and I'm hoping to start my clomid soon! My question is, does anyone have any experience with 25mg? How effective was it and how harsh were the side effects?

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Onebigwish started her first cycle with 25mg but upped it to 50mg after a few days because she felt like it wouldn‘t do anything. Maybe you can send her a pm;)


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[kittendreams]

Hi girls!
Sorry af arrived mrs English!

Suttonbailey I'm doing 25mg this cycle. I'll let you know how I go.

Atomic I have a question about how to count cycle days to start clomid- I started af yesterday (Wednesday in Australia) at 1 pm but as always it was only light to begin with but got heavier in the night. Today (Thursday) is technically cd2 and af is medium to heavy- do I count today as cd1 or 2?
I plan to start clomid on cd3 so Friday night or should I wait til Saturday night so I have had 3 full days of af- does it matter in the long run?

Thanks in advance!

[Pbn3]

Kittendreams just in case atomic doesn't answer in time I thought I'd comment. I'd be counting Thursday (today) as cd1 especially if it was just light yesterday and started after lunch. Pretty much they say first full day of flow is cd1 (if it starts full flow in afternoon or evening you'd make cd1 the following day). It is one of those things though that have differing opinions. I just think better to be closer to cd4 than cd2 when starting if that makes sense [emoji6] (if doing days 3-7)

[Pbn3]

Oh and you'd mark the light bleeding as spotting on your chart so it doesn't make yesterday cd1 [emoji4]

[emshe]

Hi Atomic!

Need some advice on the fertility diet. You kindly recommended I up my intake of eggs to help keep on/put a bit of weight back on & help improve luteal phase. So I have been including an egg every second or so day, but the last few times I am having a horrible response. What I imagine (and sorry for tmi) ibs would be like. I don't think I should include them for awhile as I think it is more detrimental than good. Such a shame I love eggs.

I have been having about 60g of avocado once every few days, and I do salmon once/week, should I maybe just do salmon twice per/week in place of the eggs?

[ABC.2606]

Kitten - Yea that's tricky and I've had a similar thing... I do Clomid CD 3-7 and I have a pretty light CD1, heavy CD2 and I start Clomid on the evening of CD3. I used to start AF during the night and wake up in the morning to a full but light flow, but since swaying & Clomid, my AF has changed and now usually starts mid-morning. It starts very light in the morning and then slowly picks up throughout the day to "full flow". So yea - I do count that first day as CD1. But also my CD2 has also always been my heaviest day and that still seems to be the case. My doctor says you should count CD1 as the first day that you have "bleeding" that is anything more than just spotting, if that bleeding starts before 5 pm. If it's after 5 pm, then the following day should be CD1. Like Pbn said though I think you'd be fine if it's technically CD4 when you start it since you can start it up CD5, and since the bleeding didn't start until 1 pm maybe you'd be better to wait until Saturday.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi girls!
Sorry af arrived mrs English!

Suttonbailey I'm doing 25mg this cycle. I'll let you know how I go.

Atomic I have a question about how to count cycle days to start clomid- I started af yesterday (Wednesday in Australia) at 1 pm but as always it was only light to begin with but got heavier in the night. Today (Thursday) is technically cd2 and af is medium to heavy- do I count today as cd1 or 2?
I plan to start clomid on cd3 so Friday night or should I wait til Saturday night so I have had 3 full days of af- does it matter in the long run?

Thanks in advance!

I would count it as CD 2 since it definitely seemed that yesterday was part of AF and not spotting at the end of the LP.

My rule of thumb is, if you think it's AF, then it is. If it seems like it's the tail end of your LP with spotting (so like it goes on several days, starts DPO 10 instead of DPO 13-14, that kind of thing) then don't count those days as CD 1, 2, etc. But if your period ALWAYS starts off 14 DPO with a day of spotting (esp. if hte spotting is fairly noticeable/all day) and then goes to period the next day and that is your normal cycle, please count the previous day (spotting) as CD 1. Your normal cycle can tell you a lot about what is going on.

Good news is it really doesn't matter anyway, the Clomid can be started CD 2 or 4 or even 5 and still be effective.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi Atomic!

Need some advice on the fertility diet. You kindly recommended I up my intake of eggs to help keep on/put a bit of weight back on & help improve luteal phase. So I have been including an egg every second or so day, but the last few times I am having a horrible response. What I imagine (and sorry for tmi) ibs would be like. I don't think I should include them for awhile as I think it is more detrimental than good. Such a shame I love eggs.

I have been having about 60g of avocado once every few days, and I do salmon once/week, should I maybe just do salmon twice per/week in place of the eggs?

Yes please leave the eggs out in that case, have another serv. of salmon and some extra full fat dairy, or avocado, or coconut oil instead.

[kittendreams]

Thanks so much Pbn, abc and Atomic!
I don't spot as such its just a bit light to begin with (always has been) but I still need a tampon iykwim lol and I have full on cramping etc so Wednesday was my cd1. I think I will take my first dose tonight (Friday) and see how I go- if it doesn't work this month and af starts midday again ill postpone a day next time.
Thanks again girls you are the best xx

[emshe]

Yes please leave the eggs out in that case, have another serv. of salmon and some extra full fat dairy, or avocado, or coconut oil instead.

Perfect! Thanks atomic


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[MrsEnglish]

Aww, bummer. I'm sorry it wasn't the month. Let me know how I can help for next month!

Thanks, I've only been doing so-so with diet and exercise. Bleh.

Just wanted to say: I've been moody as hell this month and still have headaches, so I don't think I can blame Clomid for causing those in the previous months. I wouldn't still be having side effects from Clomid I took last cycle, would I?

I think I'm CD 9 today. I'll update to let you know if I ovulate naturally, if so I'd expect O signs around CD 20.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh yes absolutely you can still have side effects the month after stopping the Clomid. Totally!

[onebigwish]

Kitten - Yea that's tricky and I've had a similar thing... I do Clomid CD 3-7 and I have a pretty light CD1, heavy CD2 and I start Clomid on the evening of CD3. I used to start AF during the night and wake up in the morning to a full but light flow, but since swaying & Clomid, my AF has changed and now usually starts mid-morning. It starts very light in the morning and then slowly picks up throughout the day to "full flow". So yea - I do count that first day as CD1. But also my CD2 has also always been my heaviest day and that still seems to be the case. My doctor says you should count CD1 as the first day that you have "bleeding" that is anything more than just spotting, if that bleeding starts before 5 pm. If it's after 5 pm, then the following day should be CD1. Like Pbn said though I think you'd be fine if it's technically CD4 when you start it since you can start it up CD5, and since the bleeding didn't start until 1 pm maybe you'd be better to wait until Saturday.


I have the same problem, normally AF start with a full flow on CD1 but since i took clomid i have spotting since yesterday it also made me have less progesterone and a short LF. I dont know if i should count the spotting as CD1 or nor ?

[Lovelypink]

Hi Suttenbailey, i tried 25 mg of Clomid the first cycle i did not get pregnant so the second month i did 50 mg and got pregnant!
Good luck!

[onebigwish]

Hi Suttenbailey, i tried 25 mg of Clomid the first cycle i did not get pregnant so the second month i did 50 mg and got pregnant!
Good luck!

Did you need clomid or only for swaying purposes? I used 50mg first cycle and seems like AF is coming. I’m wondering if you take clomid when you dont need it u dont become pg that fast?

[atomic sagebrush]

I have the same problem, normally AF start with a full flow on CD1 but since i took clomid i have spotting since yesterday it also made me have less progesterone and a short LF. I dont know if i should count the spotting as CD1 or nor ?

If what you said in the other thread is true, you did NOT have low progesterone OR a short LP. 13 day LP is totally normal.

From what you described in the other thread, this is spotting and is not yet CD 1.

[atomic sagebrush]

Did you need clomid or only for swaying purposes? I used 50mg first cycle and seems like AF is coming. I’m wondering if you take clomid when you dont need it u dont become pg that fast?

No, that's completely untrue. Clomid does not affect people taking it for swaying any differently than those who need it (and in fact, those who are struggling with fertility often still struggle even with the Clomid.)

It takes fully fertile couples doing nothing to sway an average of 3-6 months to get pregnant. If you've gotten pregnant the first month out in the past, that was good luck, but it's not a guarantee that you will always get pregnant very quickly. Some months just are not the month...either the egg was a dud, the sperm wasn't healthy or enough of them to make it to the egg, they didn't find each other, or something went wrong very early on. Good luck for next month!

[Lovelypink]

For swaying purpose only!

Meid ik heb nog in het Nederlandse hoekje nog met jou over gehad, hele gesprekken...ben je dat vergeten? :)
Je komt ook niet meer daar geloof ik?

[onebigwish]

For swaying purpose only!

Meid ik heb nog in het Nederlandse hoekje nog met jou over gehad, hele gesprekken...ben je dat vergeten? :)
Je komt ook niet meer daar geloof ik?

Hey meis! Hahaha serieus ik ben dat totaal vergeten! Nee ik kom niet vaak meer in het nederlandse hoekje. Maar ben echt blij voor je dat je nu zwanger ben! Het is helaas niet gelukt de eerste maand bij mij want ben vandaag keihard ongesteld geworden. Ik had de eerste maand 50mg genomen maar ik wil nu 25 gaan proberen.

[ABC.2606]

Hey atomic... Couple of questions... I did Clomid CD3-7 and am on CD9 today. This morning I randomly noticed a good amount of EWCM and did a wondfo OPK and got a fairly dark line for CD9 (not positive, but I normally don't have much of a line until a couple of days before I ovulate). I did an advanced CB as well and it showed "low", but I forgot to use FMU and used SMU instead, and there was only a small amount of it in the cup (sorry TMI!). So maybe not accurate. Just wondering if the EWCM and a darker than normal Wondfo this early might be the effects of the Clomid? In the 3 previous cycles that I've taken Clomid (all CD3-7), I ovulated on CD15. Just got a little worried this morning that O may come early :) I also ate eggs last night and salmon the night before (haven't had much of either lately) so maybe all that just gave me a bit of an estrogen bump? I also had a follicle ultrasound last Thursday that showed about 6 small follicles (plus the one cyst on my right ovary) and my estrogen level was 30 which nurse said is pretty low. So probably unlikely that less than a week later I'd be close to O yea?

I have another follicle ultrasound on Friday so I'll know more then but just curious :) :)

[MrsEnglish]

Oh yes absolutely you can still have side effects the month after stopping the Clomid. Totally!

How long can the side effects last?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes Clomid can cause false positive OPK for 3 days after stopping it.

CD 9 is not unusual to get EWCM that day.

Your estrogen can rise really fast when it's time to! I wouldn't bet on you not ovulating within this next week!

[atomic sagebrush]

How long can the side effects last?

Most say one month, but I think it may be a couple cycles. It's all about hormones and those take time to work themselves out (but the good news is this is why it may sway for 1-2 cycles after stopping it.)

[Faey]

I have an appointment with Gyn tomorrow and hope he prescribes Clomid for me. What can I tell him to get it?

[Faey]

I have it :-) And Famenita. Does anyone know that?

[atomic sagebrush]

I have an appointment with Gyn tomorrow and hope he prescribes Clomid for me. What can I tell him to get it?

Oh sorry I didn't see this yesterday - the doctors in Europe are often very generous with Clomid anyway (as yours seems to have been!) That's great!

Famenita is progesterone. I don't recommend using it if you don't need it (and most people don't need it, even with a short LP) but it won't hurt your sway if you want to. I have an explanation of that in this thread http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/52342-faq-about-getting-staying-pregnant-early-pregnancy.html

[ABC.2606]

Yes Clomid can cause false positive OPK for 3 days after stopping it.

CD 9 is not unusual to get EWCM that day.

Your estrogen can rise really fast when it's time to! I wouldn't bet on you not ovulating within this next week!

You were right as always, atomic!! :) Follicle ultrasound this morning showed 2 dominant follicles (one on right ovary, one on left) but my guess is O is a few days away still. Nurse said I'll probably ovulate 2 eggs (but I'm thinking I may have done that on others clomid cycles as well).

My lining was only 7.76 mm which seems a little thin to me (in the past when checked it's been closer to 10). Nurse wasn't worried and said it should keep growing. Do you think that's an ok thickness? I'm only cd11 and normally don't O until about cd15. Does the lining keep growing every day until O like the follicles do?

[Mia2000]

Was hast du denn gesagt Faey?

[atomic sagebrush]

You were right as always, atomic!! :) Follicle ultrasound this morning showed 2 dominant follicles (one on right ovary, one on left) but my guess is O is a few days away still. Nurse said I'll probably ovulate 2 eggs (but I'm thinking I may have done that on others clomid cycles as well).

My lining was only 7.76 mm which seems a little thin to me (in the past when checked it's been closer to 10). Nurse wasn't worried and said it should keep growing. Do you think that's an ok thickness? I'm only cd11 and normally don't O until about cd15. Does the lining keep growing every day until O like the follicles do?

LOL not even!

Yes your lining will keep growing and that is not thin at this stage of the game. Some people have linings of 2-5 mm at this point and then we'd be worried but that is a-ok. :)

[onebigwish]

CD1 & 2 were heavy clots! CD3 already ans seems like Menstruation is tapping off but i have huge uterus pains. Why is that im
So worried?

[Faey]

Was hast du denn gesagt Faey?


Das mein Zyklus total durcheinander ist und ich nicht schwanger werde. Hatte es mir auch wesentlich schwerer vorgestellt. Er hat erst Mönchspfeffer vorgeschlagen und ich hab ihn dann nach Clomi gefragt.

[ManchesterMrs]

Hi all! So month 5 ttc, third month on Femara with short luteal of 8/9 days.

Been doing every four days (Mon - Thurs pattern) and last DTD on Sat night / early Sunday morning. Today (Monday) blazing positive. Should we DTD tonight? Might try to leave it until early AM on Tuesday as a halfway house. I am scared EOD patttern sways boy but am doing lots of other sway things so I am tempted to just go for it?

x

[atomic sagebrush]

CD1 & 2 were heavy clots! CD3 already ans seems like Menstruation is tapping off but i have huge uterus pains. Why is that im
So worried?

Because Clomid affects your hormone levels, it is very common for you to experience changes in your cycle. 99 times out of 100 it is not a big deal at all, rarely people have had cysts, but what you are describing does not sound like cysts at all. It sounds more like endometriosis, have you ever had that diagnosed?

If you are really worried then go to a doctor but if you took Clomid on your own, they're going to really lecture you badly about that! So I would be super sure that something is wrong before you go in because otherwise they're pretty nasty to people. :/ I hope it's feeling better now!!

[MrsEnglish]

Exciting news for me! I have all the signs of upcoming ovulation, and this cycle I didn't take Clomid!

Two days ago I didn't have special cervical mucus, but I felt unusually sexy which is a sign of ovulation for me. Yesterday I had partial ewcm and a smaller appetite -- another ovulation sign for me. And today -ta da- full ewcm. I'm so excited because I'm only CD 17.

The plan is to make one attempt tonight, and hopefully I'll O within the next few days.

[MrsEnglish]

TMI update: one attempt has been made! Now just a waiting game.

[onebigwish]

Because Clomid affects your hormone levels, it is very common for you to experience changes in your cycle. 99 times out of 100 it is not a big deal at all, rarely people have had cysts, but what you are describing does not sound like cysts at all. It sounds more like endometriosis, have you ever had that diagnosed?

If you are really worried then go to a doctor but if you took Clomid on your own, they're going to really lecture you badly about that! So I would be super sure that something is wrong before you go in because otherwise they're pretty nasty to people. :/ I hope it's feeling better now!!


Thanks atomic I’m feeling better now! Yes endometriosis degree one is diagnosed in me. They didn found endometriosis in the uterus &area but a big endo cyst was removed.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks atomic I’m feeling better now! Yes endometriosis degree one is diagnosed in me. They didn found endometriosis in the uterus &area but a big endo cyst was removed.

Some people do experience greater pain and symptoms of endo after taking Clomid because the surge of estrogen after you stop taking it - this may explain what's been going on with you this past month!

[atomic sagebrush]

TMI update: one attempt has been made! Now just a waiting game.

Good luck and pink dust headed your way!!

[Boymom287]

I am starting clomid next month, I am ovulating just fine but for whatever reason it takes me a long time to conceive and my doctor said “you’re no spring chicken” so he’s agreed to put me on clomid again as it helped last time conceiving. My question is, if I’m ovulating fine will 100 mg make me more likely for twins vs 50? I have the option to take 50 or 100 and I don’t know what to do? I just know I want to get pregnant as soon as possible, preferably with a girl. Twins would be a blessing but I’m slightly nervous at the thought of triplets+


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[atomic sagebrush]

Unless you are going to be ultrasound monitored to be sure you don't hyperovulate I would stick with 50! 100 seems like a lot to start off with.

[MrsEnglish]

Yesterday was maximal ewcm day, and I'm not doing OPKs or temping this cycle, but just going by cm I think my timing was good.

If I don't have AF by June 1, I'll POAS.

[atomic sagebrush]

Humor me and pick it up with e4d from here on in at least for the next week or two just to be on the safe side.

[emshe]

Exciting news for me! I have all the signs of upcoming ovulation, and this cycle I didn't take Clomid!

Two days ago I didn't have special cervical mucus, but I felt unusually sexy which is a sign of ovulation for me. Yesterday I had partial ewcm and a smaller appetite -- another ovulation sign for me. And today -ta da- full ewcm. I'm so excited because I'm only CD 17.

The plan is to make one attempt tonight, and hopefully I'll O within the next few days.

Wow! Just catching up on this thread, this is so fabulous Mrs English, hope it’s your lucky cycle!!! Wishing you every success, enjoy the tww as much as you can, 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻


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[MrsEnglish]

Approximately 8 DPO, and not feeling at all pregnant (I know, I know, too early!).

BUT -and I'm surprised I'm saying this- I won't even be very disappointed if I'm not pregnant this cycle because I'm stressed out and need to be 100% at work for the next few weeks, and last pregnancy my concentration + memory + energy went down at 4 weeks pregnant.

I was happy and low stress until yesterday when the boss came and said he won't renew my contract if I don't make an improvement this next week. I'm about 80% sure that he's saying that to get better performance, and that even with me just doing a little better (possible), that I'll be okay. But there's still that 20% fear that he actually is expecting a higher level than I can possibly do. I haven't been slacking off or being a bad employee, but I haven't made an effort to go above and beyond either, so that's what I'll have to do this week.

This happened to me once before with a different boss, and when I stepped up my act she was satisfied.

Hope all of you reading are doing well, and have a great weekend!

[emshe]

Approximately 8 DPO, and not feeling at all pregnant (I know, I know, too early!).

BUT -and I'm surprised I'm saying this- I won't even be very disappointed if I'm not pregnant this cycle because I'm stressed out and need to be 100% at work for the next few weeks, and last pregnancy my concentration + memory + energy went down at 4 weeks pregnant.

I was happy and low stress until yesterday when the boss came and said he won't renew my contract if I don't make an improvement this next week. I'm about 80% sure that he's saying that to get better performance, and that even with me just doing a little better (possible), that I'll be okay. But there's still that 20% fear that he actually is expecting a higher level than I can possibly do. I haven't been slacking off or being a bad employee, but I haven't made an effort to go above and beyond either, so that's what I'll have to do this week.

This happened to me once before with a different boss, and when I stepped up my act she was satisfied.

Hope all of you reading are doing well, and have a great weekend!

Hope the week goes well & you feel more relaxed soon Mrs English. It must be hard focusing on work as well as juggling ttc & your little one.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Ugh what a jerk! I've worked for people like that - they seem to think threats are the way to get more work out of you. :/ Good luck and I hope that it all works out for the best.

[MrsEnglish]

Thanks guys! One more day of weekend before things get tricky.

I've had uterine twitches yesterday and today, but they're the same kind I had last cycle when I wasn't pregnant, so maybe I just tend to get uterine twinges in my luteal phase.

[Pinkjellybabies]

Apologies if this has been asked before, I haven’t had time to read the full thread. I have purchased a membership to access the in depth details on swaying girl with clomid which I read was in the members only forum. But I can’t find it! Can anyone point me in the right direction? Many thanks and all the best to everyone for their sways xx

[Pinksdream]

Please can someone help me? Where can I buy clomid online? I’ve searched everywhere and I don’t want to end up getting it from somewhere dodgy and end up Ill ��
I really feel like I won’t get a girl without it ��

[atomic sagebrush]

Apologies if this has been asked before, I haven’t had time to read the full thread. I have purchased a membership to access the in depth details on swaying girl with clomid which I read was in the members only forum. But I can’t find it! Can anyone point me in the right direction? Many thanks and all the best to everyone for their sways xx

The Clomid essays are in this link http://genderdreaming.com/forum/extreme-gender-swaying-egs-/ It's Dream Members only so if you click it and can't read it, it's only accesible to those with DMs.

[atomic sagebrush]

Please can someone help me? Where can I buy clomid online? I’ve searched everywhere and I don’t want to end up getting it from somewhere dodgy and end up Ill ��
I really feel like I won’t get a girl without it ��

You can get a girl without Clomid. I can't help with buying online but I promise - I got a girl after 4 boys without Clomid and so have many others!

[Pinksdream]

You can get a girl without Clomid. I can't help with buying online but I promise - I got a girl after 4 boys without Clomid and so have many others!

Thank you atomic, I’m gonna purchase a plan and give it a really good go. I need to lose some weight so we’ll start with that

[MrsEnglish]

Good news: things are going very well for me at work.

Bad news: AF came this morning. I'm CD 1.

This is the fourth cycle post partum that I have ovulated, had a well timed attempt, had a good luteal phase, and still BFN. I'm not taking Clomid this cycle either, so it will be interesting to see whether I ovuate.

Good luck to everyone still in the TWW

[emshe]

Good news: things are going very well for me at work.

Bad news: AF came this morning. I'm CD 1.

This is the fourth cycle post partum that I have ovulated, had a well timed attempt, had a good luteal phase, and still BFN. I'm not taking Clomid this cycle either, so it will be interesting to see whether I ovuate.

Good luck to everyone still in the TWW

Glad it’s going well at work, sorry about af. Onwards we go!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Roll on for June, ladies! As some recall it's my birthday month and I always "spend" my wish on lots of BFP for you guys! :heart:

[emshe]

Roll on for June, ladies! As some recall it's my birthday month and I always "spend" my wish on lots of BFP for you guys! :heart:

That’s so sweet atomic, hope you have a great birthday month! You certainly are on of a kind


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[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks!

[onebigwish]

Cant believe i just got femara from my gynecologist without even asking for it :)! She didn’t know i taking clomid on my own! Is it bad to take femara the cycle after clomid does it interfere with each other? The ladies here who took femara wich cycle days did tou take it and how many mg. Im prescribed 2,5 mg from cd 1-5

[atomic sagebrush]

No it's totally fine, they do that all the time, switch people from Clomid to Femara in the very next month.

I personally think we get better results with CD 3-7.

[onebigwish]

No it's totally fine, they do that all the time, switch people from Clomid to Femara in the very next month.

I personally think we get better results with CD 3-7.

Better results in the way of conceiving or swaying?

[atomic sagebrush]

Conceiving. So few people have taken it that set of days (less than 5) that I cannot tell how/if it sways any differently.

[missiz]

hey atomic, in regards to clomid, I have spoken to my Dr and he has agreed to do a monitored clomid cycle and given me a script for it. But I realised I have my previous clomid tablets from my last swaying attempt, they expire 09/2018 - would these be ok to use either this month or in July or would you recommend filling new scripts? It would technically be before they expire but just wondering if their effectiveness changes close to expiry? Thanks xo

[atomic sagebrush]

I think they are fine even past their expiration date. I'd still fill the other prescription so you have them if you need to but I'd absolutely use the older ones first.

[MrsEnglish]

I think I'm CD 9. Hoping that moodiness during the follicular phase is a sign that my hormones are doing what they should and I'll ovulate. It worked last month!

All is good at work, my contract has been renewed, so I'm totally ready to get pregnant.

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck Mrs. E!!!

[missiz]

Can I ask what your advice is in regards to taking Clomid while breastfeeding? She only feeds once at night to goto bed, is it something that could be dangerous for her?

[atomic sagebrush]

Thomas Hale (the expert on nursing and medication) has Clomid as safe while breastfeeding. Tons of people use it while nursing and I would be fine with taking it personally. https://kellymom.com/nursingtwo/resources/ttc-while-bf.pdf

[MrsEnglish]

I think I'm CD 16, and I got almost ewcm today for the first time. Hopefully we'll make an attempt on Tuesday.

This is exciting that I seem to be ovulating on my own. This is my 2nd cycle without Clomid.

[atomic sagebrush]

That's so exciting! Good luck Mrs. E!

[MrsEnglish]

Soooo.... we made an attempt today, but I'm pessimistic about it. Two weird things:

1. I'm still getting mixed cm. There is totally one part that is all ewcm, but mixed in with it is a thicker cm. The thicker cm kind of floats on segments of the ewcm. Usually I get small amounts of this mixed stuff for a couple days before getting large amounts of pure ewcm, but this cycle I've had two days with small amounts of mixed, then today I got huge amounts but still mixed. So it's possible that I'll get pure ewcm soon, and then ovulate in a few days, but also possible that my cm quality (though not quantity) has gone down inexplicably. I'm not sure whether sperm would be able to get through the thicker parts.
2. I haven't been temping this cycle, but I took a random afternoon temp today and it was high -- like the afternoon temps that I get post O. I think it was just a fluke, but there's a small possibility that I ovulated yesterday. I've never ovulated before getting pure ewcm though.

I had 12 months of TTC my daughter and approx 6 months of TTC #2, and every time I feel like I should be an expert in TTC, my body throws me for a loop and I'm like "Am I about to ovulate? Did I ovulate? WTF?"

Hope everyone else is happy and healthy :)

[emshe]

So good Mrs English. I think that whenever we're wanting things to be clear and simple thats right when things become different and confusing, keeping us guessing. Its so frustrating. Good luck!

[emshe]

Atomic! Advice please!

Ive just seen first sight of blood this morning, so today or tomorrow will be CD1 of my agreed with hubby last cycle ttc. I am wondering what I can do to up my chances. Background reminder for you 38 lost my pregnancy with my HT girl in November. Took clomid March (one attempt at +OPK), April (E4D), May without clomid (but also pretty much a month off ttc), and June with clomid all without success.
My last 2 cycles have become longer but I am still getting +OPK and ewcm. I ovulated CD22 both May and June.
I asked for clomid. Dr told me to take it CD1 but I have gone with CD3

I have to remember that I am trying for a girl. Was thinking I will definitely do E4D plus one at positive OPK but the OPK's really stressed me this month as did temping because I have gotten into a really poor sleep pattern I think due to wanting to temp accurately...
Should I ditch clomid? Take it earlier? I know that carries risk of multiples but is that a good thing giving me more chance?

My weight is stable, and has been for a couple of months. I am doing fertility diet focusing on lentils/black beans/some chicken with adding salmon, egg whites (belly cant tolerate the yolks anymore) 4 x weekly, heaps of veges mostly free type, exercising (although I have just had 4 days off due to awful weather and just feeling fatigued-thought I may have had a shot at bfp this time), dropped coffee to 1-2 a day and then 1-2 decaf. Alcohol I was having 1 per day.

I also take metformin 3 x daily. This was started at HRC and I continued as they link it to improved egg quality. Thoughts?
I know this is long Atomic, Im sorry, just wondering how I can go out on a high as my last hurrah!?

[atomic sagebrush]

Emshe:

Lose the temping. I agree that temping can actually disrupt sleep because you're so worried about waking up and temping that it causes you to wake up MORE thinking "is it time to temp yet?" Plus it's not reliable on Clomid anyway.

Clomid is the best of the best sway tactic there is. i would hang on to Clomid and add an attempt. If you don't want to do OPK, just have an extra attempt whenever you see the most EWCM (this is a judgement call - it's ok if you end up having more EWCM the next day or whatever, just do your best)

I believe we see best chance of conception with Clomid on CD 3.

I am concerned that your diet seems very low in fat. ARe you doing full fat dairy?? I want you on 50-60 g of fat a day not counting fat in fruit and veg (other than avocado)

I am also concerned that the diet + met may be too much for you. I would drop down to 2 or even 1 Metformin this month. I feel like sometimes metformin can be too much of a good thing and while it's said to "help egg quality" keep in mind that many people who take it, have horribly carby diets and have poor egg quality due to that. For them, lowering blood sugar dramatically may help. But if you're already eating an LE type diet without the high intake of sugar/carbs, I wonder if it may be too much of a good thing. And you NEED some fat from somewhere!!

Re the legumes, some evidence indicates that legumes (particularly peas and lentils) may have a component in them that may lower fertility. It may behoove us to dial it back on the beans and peas in favor of more full fat dairy and meat and nuts as protein sources (I would say eggs but you aren't tolerating those well)

Are you doing anything else you can possibly think of that is lowering chances of conceiving?? Hubby wearing tighty whiteys? Shallow release??? Any lubricant?

[atomic sagebrush]

Mrs. E:

1)I have not found that monitoring CM to that level is very helpful. No matter what, the semen will act as a life raft till the sperm gets into the cervix and it's very likely you have more EWCM up inside where you can't see it. The sample of EWCM we see is really not always indicative of our ability to conceive; I got pregnant with no visible CM at all whatsoever and I didn't even know I was ovulating! People will send me messages all the time about their EWCM quality and it really does not seem to mean anything at all.

2)I never put any stock into one isolated temp esp. in the afternoon.

The reason why you can monitor for so long and still be confused is because cycles change all the time! Even experts can't get it right because it changes month by month and it's just impossible to tell because of the fluctuations. We can spot general trends but it's really, really tough to know if ovulation has occurred or not.

[emshe]

Emshe:

Lose the temping. I agree that temping can actually disrupt sleep because you're so worried about waking up and temping that it causes you to wake up MORE thinking "is it time to temp yet?" Plus it's not reliable on Clomid anyway.

Clomid is the best of the best sway tactic there is. i would hang on to Clomid and add an attempt. If you don't want to do OPK, just have an extra attempt whenever you see the most EWCM (this is a judgement call - it's ok if you end up having more EWCM the next day or whatever, just do your best)

I believe we see best chance of conception with Clomid on CD 3.

I am concerned that your diet seems very low in fat. ARe you doing full fat dairy?? I want you on 50-60 g of fat a day not counting fat in fruit and veg (other than avocado)

I am also concerned that the diet + met may be too much for you. I would drop down to 2 or even 1 Metformin this month. I feel like sometimes metformin can be too much of a good thing and while it's said to "help egg quality" keep in mind that many people who take it, have horribly carby diets and have poor egg quality due to that. For them, lowering blood sugar dramatically may help. But if you're already eating an LE type diet without the high intake of sugar/carbs, I wonder if it may be too much of a good thing. And you NEED some fat from somewhere!!

Re the legumes, some evidence indicates that legumes (particularly peas and lentils) may have a component in them that may lower fertility. It may behoove us to dial it back on the beans and peas in favor of more full fat dairy and meat and nuts as protein sources (I would say eggs but you aren't tolerating those well)

Are you doing anything else you can possibly think of that is lowering chances of conceiving?? Hubby wearing tighty whiteys? Shallow release??? Any lubricant?

Thank you so much Atomic!

I agree to stick with what I’ve been doing clomid wise. Or maybe I should ditch it!? Someone mentioned possible resistance in the tww thread, is that likely? I know the long Lucrin HT cycle was a bust because the strength of the lucrin fried my egg quality ( don’t know if that’s relevant?)

I wondered whether I should ditch the metformin? but if you think it better I will drop it to 1 at dinner
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Have included today’s meals (not including my mountain of free veg) & just upped the quinoa to boost protein more. I am very particular about always meeting the fat limit. I’ll start to focus more on chicken again for protein. As well as the salmon. Should I drop coffee for all decaf, & drop alcohol?
Do you think the 3 weeks before I ovulate will be enough to kick in with the changes?
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[atomic sagebrush]

It's fine to drop the Clomid if you want to, I am much more suspicious of the Met though.

You're taking 3 a day, so I hesitate to have you go from 3 to NONE all at once. Just go to 1 and see what happens.

Pears, raspberries, and potatoes you'd not count protein or fat in them so you may have even more fat to use up! Keep up with the avocado, maybe some coconut oil as well since you can't do the whole eggs.

[emshe]

It's fine to drop the Clomid if you want to, I am much more suspicious of the Met though.

You're taking 3 a day, so I hesitate to have you go from 3 to NONE all at once. Just go to 1 and see what happens.

Pears, raspberries, and potatoes you'd not count protein or fat in them so you may have even more fat to use up! Keep up with the avocado, maybe some coconut oil as well since you can't do the whole eggs.

Thank you! I have gone to 1 one day, 2 the next. I’ll try some coconut oils, I actually got coconut yoghurt would that be similar it had a really good level of fat and is delicious [emoji39]

Do you think I could be lacking iron, I was once told periods can be heavy when your iron is low & it was at that stage, and my periods are very very heavy especially when I’ve been on Le for 7 months

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[Boymom287]

Should I BD today or wait?
I was on clomid this cycle and I was taking OPKs around when I should have ovulated and never got a positive. Well I got discouraged and stopped using them and yesterday I had a lot of EWCM (sorry tmi) well my hubby is out of town during the week and comes home for the weekend tonight. Would it be a bit away if we BD tonight or no? I am assuming I Oed 5 days late (yesterday) due to how I felt.


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[emshe]

Should I BD today or wait?
I was on clomid this cycle and I was taking OPKs around when I should have ovulated and never got a positive. Well I got discouraged and stopped using them and yesterday I had a lot of EWCM (sorry tmi) well my hubby is out of town during the week and comes home for the weekend tonight. Would it be a bit away if we BD tonight or no? I am assuming I Oed 5 days late (yesterday) due to how I felt.


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If you had cm yesterday then surely it couldn’t hurt to try especially if it’s the only chance you might get?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you! I have gone to 1 one day, 2 the next. I’ll try some coconut oils, I actually got coconut yoghurt would that be similar it had a really good level of fat and is delicious [emoji39]

Do you think I could be lacking iron, I was once told periods can be heavy when your iron is low & it was at that stage, and my periods are very very heavy especially when I’ve been on Le for 7 months

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Let's add in 30-60 mg iron daily for 2 weeks and then go to every other day. IF you notice, when u start the iron, that you suddenly feel a lot o more energetic and healthy than u had been, take daily for 6 weeks. When u get BFP continue at the 3x a week in addition to what is in your prenatal. Don't get the iron pills that have hundreds of MG iron in them, they are badly absorbed and are murder on your poor stomach!

[atomic sagebrush]

Should I BD today or wait?
I was on clomid this cycle and I was taking OPKs around when I should have ovulated and never got a positive. Well I got discouraged and stopped using them and yesterday I had a lot of EWCM (sorry tmi) well my hubby is out of town during the week and comes home for the weekend tonight. Would it be a bit away if we BD tonight or no? I am assuming I Oed 5 days late (yesterday) due to how I felt.


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Agh sorry this came thru when I was off for the night - YES please have attempt!!! Now if you haven't already!!!

[MrsEnglish]

Wednesday and Thursday my cm was like on Tuesday. Friday it was gone and stayed gone. So either I O'd sometime around Thursday, or I had a pcos "fake out" and didn't O. I haven't been temping, but I'll temp tomorrow morning if I remember.

[emshe]

Let's add in 30-60 mg iron daily for 2 weeks and then go to every other day. IF you notice, when u start the iron, that you suddenly feel a lot o more energetic and healthy than u had been, take daily for 6 weeks. When u get BFP continue at the 3x a week in addition to what is in your prenatal. Don't get the iron pills that have hundreds of MG iron in them, they are badly absorbed and are murder on your poor stomach!

Thanks atomic, I will look for a gentle one, have used liquid for ‘spa tone’ in the past.
Wondering how this impacts on pink sway?


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[MrsEnglish]

I remembered to temp this morning and got a nice post-ovulation temp, so I'm 95% sure I ovulated.

I guess I'll make July 5th POAS day if AF hasn't shown by then. I'm feeling pessimistic about this cycle. I'm not even sure I can get pregnant without Clomid.

Atomic, do you know whether I'd have the same chance of getting pregnant in a cycle where I ovulate without Clomid as in a cycle where I ovulate with Clomid? Is it only the fact of ovulation that matters and all ovulations are equal, or does Clomid make a bigger, better quality egg?

[atomic sagebrush]

Lots of people have used SpaTone - just be sure it has only iron and Vit. C in it. Some of them have lots of different nutrients.

I have gobs of pink swayers take iron. I don't think it sways by much if at all, since we have the best results with people on diet the longest and they are also the ones who end up on iron!

[atomic sagebrush]

I remembered to temp this morning and got a nice post-ovulation temp, so I'm 95% sure I ovulated.

I guess I'll make July 5th POAS day if AF hasn't shown by then. I'm feeling pessimistic about this cycle. I'm not even sure I can get pregnant without Clomid.

Atomic, do you know whether I'd have the same chance of getting pregnant in a cycle where I ovulate without Clomid as in a cycle where I ovulate with Clomid? Is it only the fact of ovulation that matters and all ovulations are equal, or does Clomid make a bigger, better quality egg?

Oh that's great!

We don't know that you can't get pregnant without Clomid! AS long as you ovulate, you can get pregnant. Remember you're still fairly close postpartum to your last birth, your body may just not want to get pregnant yet.

To answer your question, ovulation IS all that matters. Some do believe that Clomid helps to make a better egg or a better corpus luteum but it's not proven, and even if it is somewhat true, the fact is that people get pregnant without Clomid even after having used it with previous conceptions!

[emshe]

I’ll be looking for your bfp on July 5th Mrs English. Hoping for you


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[emshe]

Lots of people have used SpaTone - just be sure it has only iron and Vit. C in it. Some of them have lots of different nutrients.

I have gobs of pink swayers take iron. I don't think it sways by much if at all, since we have the best results with people on diet the longest and they are also the ones who end up on iron!

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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes!

[MrsEnglish]

I think I'm 9DPO today, and I just know I'm not pregnant. Now I've been wrong about thinking that I was pregnant when I wasn't, but I've never been wrong about thinking I wasn't pregnant when I was (even to be fair, there was only one opportunity for that).

I read somewhere that a fertilized egg sends out signals that prepare the uterus lining for implantation. So my theory is that when I feel pregnant but don't get BFP it's because I had a fertilized egg that didn't implant, and that in cycles like this where I feel totally unpregnant, it's because there's not even a fertilized egg. I could be wrong though, I've never been that good at Biology.

[emshe]

I think I'm 9DPO today, and I just know I'm not pregnant. Now I've been wrong about thinking that I was pregnant when I wasn't, but I've never been wrong about thinking I wasn't pregnant when I was (even to be fair, there was only one opportunity for that).

I read somewhere that a fertilized egg sends out signals that prepare the uterus lining for implantation. So my theory is that when I feel pregnant but don't get BFP it's because I had a fertilized egg that didn't implant, and that in cycles like this where I feel totally unpregnant, it's because there's not even a fertilized egg. I could be wrong though, I've never been that good at Biology.

I hope you’re wrong Mrs English.


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[MrsEnglish]

To top it off, I woke up from a very vivid dream that I got my period. 😂

[emshe]

To top it off, I woke up from a very vivid dream that I got my period. [emoji23]

It’s amazing how our thoughts influence our dreams isn’t it. Another reason I wish I could just flick a switch to turn my “thoughts” off at times


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[atomic sagebrush]

I understand why you think that, but it's reallly not a thing. I have "felt pregnant" in months I could not possibly have been pregnant and had NO IDEA I was pregnant with my 4th or 5th until I was 7 and 5 weeks along, respectively (and I was an expert by then, had been preggo several times, and still didn't know!)

Progesterone rises after ovulation and this makes symptoms. Some months you're more "hormoney" than other months (and some evidence indicates you are more likely to conceive in the "hormoney" months) so it may be the case that you may have early pregnancy symptoms in months you do conceive, but it's NOT that you're having actual pregnancy symptoms but simply that you were making a lot of hormones and made a better egg and/or your body was better set up for conceiving in those months and the symptoms were NOT from pregnancy, but indicated that your body was more likely to get pregnant in that month if that make sense.

[atomic sagebrush]

I understand why you think that, but it's reallly not a thing. I have "felt pregnant" in months I could not possibly have been pregnant and had NO IDEA I was pregnant with my 4th or 5th until I was 7 and 5 weeks along, respectively (and I was an expert by then, had been preggo several times, and still didn't know!)

Progesterone rises after ovulation and this makes symptoms. Some months you're more "hormoney" than other months (and some evidence indicates you are more likely to conceive in the "hormoney" months) so it may be the case that you may have early pregnancy symptoms in months you do conceive, but it's NOT that you're having actual pregnancy symptoms but simply that you were making a lot of hormones and made a better egg and/or your body was better set up for conceiving in those months and the symptoms were NOT from pregnancy, but indicated that your body was more likely to get pregnant in that month if that make sense.

[MrsEnglish]

I understand why you think that, but it's reallly not a thing. I have "felt pregnant" in months I could not possibly have been pregnant and had NO IDEA I was pregnant with my 4th or 5th until I was 7 and 5 weeks along, respectively (and I was an expert by then, had been preggo several times, and still didn't know!)

Progesterone rises after ovulation and this makes symptoms. Some months you're more "hormoney" than other months (and some evidence indicates you are more likely to conceive in the "hormoney" months) so it may be the case that you may have early pregnancy symptoms in months you do conceive, but it's NOT that you're having actual pregnancy symptoms but simply that you were making a lot of hormones and made a better egg and/or your body was better set up for conceiving in those months and the symptoms were NOT from pregnancy, but indicated that your body was more likely to get pregnant in that month if that make sense.

I understand what you're saying makes sense about most symptoms like sore boobs, appetite changes, tiredness, etc.

But the one time I was pregnant, before bfp when I'd have an orgasm I'd get mildly painful cramping right after, and that never happened to me other than that one time. TMI but last night I O'd and no cramping.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey, there are a kajillion things in this world that I don't know about. I simply warn people off this because so many people make themselves miserable, with false hope or false despair, by analyzing their symptoms and I think it's not productive or mentally beneficial for you guys esp. when you've been TTC a while.

[emshe]

Hey atomic! (Please see Added update below)

Doing e4d, scheduled attempt is due tonight Thursday but bd last night at positive opk (was planning additional plus one attempt) now I’m wondering whether to still do e4d attempt tonight? Chart is linked below. Not temping sorry
Monday pm
Wednesday pm at positive opk
Thursday pm e4d due

Doing clomid, exercise, fertility diet 8 months, hubby ole, coffee, low bmi, reduced metformin.


Update!!!
We bd again according to e4d schedule Thursday night on top of our plus one attempt at positive opk on Wednesday night. although I had pressure pain starting a few hours prior to Thursday nights scheduled attempt.

Hope we did the right thing!!!! Tell me we did, just for sanity’s sake! Pretty please. Yikes

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[MrsEnglish]

AF got me this morning, BUT:

1. I'm ovulating on my own
2. I've been spot on making attempts with good timing
3. I have a long luteal phase

So I believe it will happen eventually.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh I'm so sorry yesterday was our national holiday and while I tried to get thru all the q's I ended up running out of time and didn't get to this thread!!

You did exactly what I wanted you to do in that scenario. Keep going with the e4d whenever that is scheduled plus adding the one attempt whenever that falls!

[atomic sagebrush]

AF got me this morning, BUT:

1. I'm ovulating on my own
2. I've been spot on making attempts with good timing
3. I have a long luteal phase

So I believe it will happen eventually.

I agree Mrs. E - I think you're still just a smidge too close to your last baby being born and your body is just not sure that it wants to do it all again just yet! It will happen in time! :cheer:

[emshe]

Oh I'm so sorry yesterday was our national holiday and while I tried to get thru all the q's I ended up running out of time and didn't get to this thread!!

You did exactly what I wanted you to do in that scenario. Keep going with the e4d whenever that is scheduled plus adding the one attempt whenever that falls!

Thank you so much atomic, thats excatly what we've done. It's just always so reassuring to here it from you because you're awesome!

Fingers crossed we get lucky.

I have boxes and scripts left from HT for crinone, wondering if I should use it, thoughts atomic!?

[mcca4343]

Hey! I’m new to this site! I tried to start a new thread but I haven’t figured out how to yet. I’m going to start TTC next summer but I wanted to get my research done early. I have two kids dd (5) and ds (2) and we both really want another girl. I was thinking about taking unprescribed clomid. I have no ovulation issues that I know of. I have the IUD in currently and will be taking it out next summer. I would LOVE twins!!!! I know clomid increases the odds to 8% but I was wondering if there was anything I could do to raise that a little bit. Any advice would be great! I have read several of the forums and respect y’alls opinions greatly.

Thanks in Advance!

[MrsEnglish]

I agree Mrs. E - I think you're still just a smidge too close to your last baby being born and your body is just not sure that it wants to do it all again just yet! It will happen in time! :cheer:

Thanks for the encouragement, I think you're right. It's a bit hard for me to admit it, because it was a big desire for me to have kids really close together, honestly more for ego reasons (to feel like I was extra fertile) than for practical reasons, but I'm just going to have to let that go. I am really just grateful that I'm not infertile. At this point I'd say I'm 90% grateful and 10% disappointed, hopefully that will change even if I don't get pregnant soon, and I'll be 100% grateful.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you so much atomic, thats excatly what we've done. It's just always so reassuring to here it from you because you're awesome!

Fingers crossed we get lucky.

I have boxes and scripts left from HT for crinone, wondering if I should use it, thoughts atomic!?

Studies done by some very reputable places (like Harvard University in the US) have shown that crinone/progesterone does NOTHING to improve people's chances of pregnancy (even with IVF, believe it or not!) It is a placebo but doctors still prescribe it just so people can feel they've done everything. I don't recommend it because it does have side effects and risks that come with it and it just does not seem to be doing much of anything.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey! I’m new to this site! I tried to start a new thread but I haven’t figured out how to yet. I’m going to start TTC next summer but I wanted to get my research done early. I have two kids dd (5) and ds (2) and we both really want another girl. I was thinking about taking unprescribed clomid. I have no ovulation issues that I know of. I have the IUD in currently and will be taking it out next summer. I would LOVE twins!!!! I know clomid increases the odds to 8% but I was wondering if there was anything I could do to raise that a little bit. Any advice would be great! I have read several of the forums and respect y’alls opinions greatly.

Thanks in Advance!

Hi and welcome! To start a new thread, you have to actually click open one of the forums (this is the part everyone misses!) So go back to the main page, find whatever forum you're interested in, and then click that. at that point you'll see the "start new thread" option.

For reasons we don't understand, we are getting more twins with Clomid + pink sway anyway. We do not know if it's something about us (some of us have a LOT of kids and a lot of boys, LOL) or something about the pink sway diet that may up odds of twinning but even without Clomid we've had more than our fair share of twins.

I would have you use full fat dairy and take 1200-1600 mcg folic acid or folate in addition to the Clomid. But seriously - don't take more than 50 mg Clomid, even if you're tempted to. You may end up with a lot more than you bargained for!

[mcca4343]

Thank you so much!!! I really appreciate it!! No problem on the high fat diet! I’m sorry what do I take that’s 1200-1600 mcg with the clomid?

[atomic sagebrush]

oh whoops, sorry about that! Folic acid or folate (folate is best but tends to be more expensive)

[missiz]

just wanting to ask, I have taken 4 of my 5 clomid tablets, my last one is due tonight. But as far as normal symptoms go, is it common to have nausea, diarrhea like pain and soft bowel motions? sorry about TMI, but feeling pretty ordinary and just wondering if thats all within the normal range of taking clomid. I dont have diarrhea, just not my normal BM with some pain like when you need to do a diarrhea.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, Clomid causes all sorts of fun stuff while you're taking it. It should go away after you're done taking the pills but someone was mentioning they noticed a resurgence around ovulation as well.

[emshe]

Hi atomic! Checking in after getting AF & obviously again [emoji24] a BFN (which I will confirm) fir the 5th cycle, 4th on clomid with a break in the middle month.

I am nervous about ttc this cycle, I’ve been lazy in this tww. I haven’t exercised for 10 days and I had dropped down to 2 days on one day off for last cycle as my weight is low. Is that huge to a girl sway?

I’d also gone to decaf coffee as I really thought I was pregnant. Will start hitting the real stuff again. & alcohol I’ll add again too. Or should I drop these. Hubbys drinking a lot atm he’s really stressed out at work.

I have been really strict with getting close to 60g of fat. Having 125g chicken as part of my protein which probably reaches around 55g daily. I have natural full fat yoghurt daily, salmon once a week, adding in about 5g coconut oil ( is this or olive oil better?), eat Avocadoes a few times, nuts & nut butters etc. is it possible I eat too many veges. Mainly free stuff but I also eat potato, pumpkin, sweet potato, carrot daily (i attached a pick of main lunch soup measures). I do eat ALOT.
Also dropped to 1/2 metformin at each meal.

We did clomid 50mg days 3-7
e4d plus 1 at positive opk (CD 14) scheduled attempt which fell day 30 hours after positive opk on CD15 may have fallen just after my egg popped going on the pressure pain & relief. Trust hubby to be late home that night..
On fertility diet since November 17
Miscarried HT FET girl November 17 after previous bfn fresh HT transfer
Miscarried aug 2015
Wondering if my body can’t carry a pregnancy anymore!?


July was meant that be our last month ttc so I was really bummed to start bleeding. I can squeeze another ovulation into the month I think!!! [emoji6] any tips?

Is the no exercise, no alcohol & no coffee for 10 days huge for my girl sway? I feel like the few things that went by the by in the 2ww are huge influences on girl sway & the 250g ice cream serve I had one night. Whoops.

Please help! Shine some of that magic atomic wisdom on me if you can, THANK YOU


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[onebigwish]

How many cycles does clomid stays in the body’s system? This cycle i didn’t take clomid but i ovulated in the night from cd12 on my own and right after ovulation i have this clomid symptoms again headache and very emotional everything makes me wanna cry...which make me think i didn’t conceive again :(

[atomic sagebrush]

How many cycles does clomid stays in the body’s system? This cycle i didn’t take clomid but i ovulated in the night from cd12 on my own and right after ovulation i have this clomid symptoms again headache and very emotional everything makes me wanna cry...which make me think i didn’t conceive again :(

At least a month after and possibly 2 for some people.

Most people would be thinking they were pregnant based on those symptoms! You aren't out yet!

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey Emshe!

Well, do please check with a pregnancy test because it isn't always obvious that you'll get AF and a BFN! Some of us, like purple, and myself, had "periods" and were pregnant all along so it is not always a done deal that AF shows and you're not preggo.

Just pick it up with the 2 days on, 1 day off exercise when you're ready. No worries. I want you to stay at the lower level of exercise because we don't want any more weight loss (and may need to gain a lb or two)

RE the coffee and alcohol - up to you. If you're off them, it may just be easiest to stay off them. I doubt that's why you haven't conceived yet but it's something to change up.

No, you can't be eating too many veggies! The only concern I'd have about that is if you were eating so many vegetables that you didn't have room for your other foods.

My main concern here (and this may be a moot point if you're really planning to stop trying) is NOT that you're wrecking your sway doing too little exercise, eating too much, etc. My concern here is that you aren't able to get pregnant because you've cut back TOO far. Restrictive diet, exercise, Metformin on top of it, low weight - your body just doesn't feel "comfortable" enough to allow itself to conceive. My point is not that you necessarily need to eat more, gain wweight, etc (although I think a small weight gain will help) but that you shouldn't beat yourself up about things like some ice cream here and there, it would only have helped.)

I have never seen one iota of evidence that anyone 'can't carry babies any more'. That is not really a thing. Now, certainly egg quality can diminish and make it hard to conceive, but when we are seeing people do IVF rounds and get pregnant (using donor eggs) into their 50's and even 60's there is no evidence that anyone's body just can't carry babies, if that makes sense. Whatever is happening, it's happening with sperm meeting egg or the quality of the egg and the sperm itself or at implantation and those things we have at least some control over.

Is there any chance you guys will carry on longer?

Let's do coconut oil over olive oil since coconut is saturated and may help fertility.

[emshe]

Hey Emshe!

Well, do please check with a pregnancy test because it isn't always obvious that you'll get AF and a BFN! Some of us, like purple, and myself, had "periods" and were pregnant all along so it is not always a done deal that AF shows and you're not preggo.

Just pick it up with the 2 days on, 1 day off exercise when you're ready. No worries. I want you to stay at the lower level of exercise because we don't want any more weight loss (and may need to gain a lb or two)

RE the coffee and alcohol - up to you. If you're off them, it may just be easiest to stay off them. I doubt that's why you haven't conceived yet but it's something to change up.

No, you can't be eating too many veggies! The only concern I'd have about that is if you were eating so many vegetables that you didn't have room for your other foods.

My main concern here (and this may be a moot point if you're really planning to stop trying) is NOT that you're wrecking your sway doing too little exercise, eating too much, etc. My concern here is that you aren't able to get pregnant because you've cut back TOO far. Restrictive diet, exercise, Metformin on top of it, low weight - your body just doesn't feel "comfortable" enough to allow itself to conceive. My point is not that you necessarily need to eat more, gain wweight, etc (although I think a small weight gain will help) but that you shouldn't beat yourself up about things like some ice cream here and there, it would only have helped.)

I have never seen one iota of evidence that anyone 'can't carry babies any more'. That is not really a thing. Now, certainly egg quality can diminish and make it hard to conceive, but when we are seeing people do IVF rounds and get pregnant (using donor eggs) into their 50's and even 60's there is no evidence that anyone's body just can't carry babies, if that makes sense. Whatever is happening, it's happening with sperm meeting egg or the quality of the egg and the sperm itself or at implantation and those things we have at least some control over.

Is there any chance you guys will carry on longer?

Let's do coconut oil over olive oil since coconut is saturated and may help fertility.

Thanks atomic. I have a test ready for fmu this morning, CD 2. Tomorrow will be clomid start day.

We may be able to continue. Hubby did say something recently that made me go oh he’s forgotten we promised we would stop after July. It’s the restrictiveness of my diet, eating schedule and planning I think that gets him down.
Planning to take August off ttc as a break from clomid. Sticking to diet & exercise.

To be honest though I am getting to the i want to move on point after spending the last 2 1/2 years on the journey through HT & swaying. So getting pregnant this cycle would be amazing, highly doubt it though [emoji853]HT numbers did suggest something going on with sperm meets egg I felt as numbers dropped off dramatically from 15 mature to 4 fertilised. But likely my egg quality too. Hubbys sperm DNA fragmentation test etc were all good.

I have ubiquinol on hand, should I take that? Or is it boy friendly?

Should I be replacing more of my canola type fats? I do nuts, tahini or avocado most days as well as canola and 5g coconut oil
Drop alcohol definitely, stick to decaf & possibly one real one every other day.
Slow down a bit on exercise
Have a few more cheats here and there

I’ve put up a pic in next post of my days tracking which is pretty similar most days to see what you think!

Thank you atomic you’re the best

[emshe]

Here’s today’s eating! Atomic please see previous post [emoji847]

Edit! Oops I ate some salt & vinegar crisps with lunch whilst on a picnic with a friend an all our kids post walk [emoji6]

Should I drop metformin!?!? Happy too.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Remember the cardinal rule of swaying - "if Daddy ain't happy, ain't nobody happy". Not only do I suspect that eating too restrictively may be preventing pregnancy but additionally, cutting back too far is causing issues between you and DH and that is for sure sign that you need to loosen up and hopefully he'll keep trying longer.

I would have you TTC that month off Clomid. We have good results the month after people stop Clomid and I feel that it would be wasting a potentially good month. Many people can't seem to conceive on Clomid and then stop and get pregnant right away!

I see lots of people have drop offs like that. That isn't at all unusual and it doesn't mean anything moving forward. I had a friend who had 30 eggs retrieved and ended up with ONE XX that was very poor quality!

If you want to take ubiquinol that's fine, but it does lower blood sugar. Considering I suspect that you may have gone too far with the restrictive diet + metformin I'd not add it in now (I've been underwhelmed by ubiquinol anyway)

I personally would have you come off the metformin or wean back more than you have already. But you need to do what YOU feel comfy with. If you want to try first relaxing more on diet and continuing with Met at present dose I think that's a possible compromise.

As long as you're also doing good fats I think it's ok to continue with the canola oil.

Would you want to try red raspberry leaf tea during your month off the Clomid?? U can't take it while on Clomid (a lot of people DO still, but I just prefer that you don't since there may be some interaction) but we could try it this month while you're off it - in the follicular phase, do 2 cups a day, switch to one cup a day in the LP, and then starting about 7 DPO continue weaning off by spacing doses further and further out so you're off it by the time you'd be ready to start Clomid again if you do end up taking it.

[atomic sagebrush]

Are you counting the protein and fat in your fruits and vegetables?

[Throwaway_panther]

Remember the cardinal rule of swaying - "if Daddy ain't happy, ain't nobody happy". Not only do I suspect that eating too restrictively may be preventing pregnancy but additionally, cutting back too far is causing issues between you and DH and that is for sure sign that you need to loosen up and hopefully he'll keep trying longer.

I would have you TTC that month off Clomid. We have good results the month after people stop Clomid and I feel that it would be wasting a potentially good month. Many people can't seem to conceive on Clomid and then stop and get pregnant right away!

I see lots of people have drop offs like that. That isn't at all unusual and it doesn't mean anything moving forward. I had a friend who had 30 eggs retrieved and ended up with ONE XX that was very poor quality!

If you want to take ubiquinol that's fine, but it does lower blood sugar. Considering I suspect that you may have gone too far with the restrictive diet + metformin I'd not add it in now (I've been underwhelmed by ubiquinol anyway)

I personally would have you come off the metformin or wean back more than you have already. But you need to do what YOU feel comfy with. If you want to try first relaxing more on diet and continuing with Met at present dose I think that's a possible compromise.

As long as you're also doing good fats I think it's ok to continue with the canola oil.

Would you want to try red raspberry leaf tea during your month off the Clomid?? U can't take it while on Clomid (a lot of people DO still, but I just prefer that you don't since there may be some interaction) but we could try it this month while you're off it - in the follicular phase, do 2 cups a day, switch to one cup a day in the LP, and then starting about 7 DPO continue weaning off by spacing doses further and further out so you're off it by the time you'd be ready to start Clomid again if you do end up taking it.

Does ubiquinol/CoQ10 lower blood sugar?!? I thought it was one of the few things that didn't seem to sway :( crap

[emshe]

Are you counting the protein and fat in your fruits and vegetables?

You’re right to everything.

No, but maybe it’s easier for me to be sure on fat & protein if I don’t list them, I know roughly how many calories they ass up to so if I remove them then just add that to total cals or drop my “target” calorie setting by that I’ll be more accurate in the apps protein & fat readings.

Think I will drop metformin, I’d have to once pregnant anyway.

Raspberry leaf sounds interesting, how does that go girl sway wise?

I’ll think about August. Maybe I should take clomid to continue ttc then drop it for September. All decisions we’ll have a think about over the coming weeks



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[MrsEnglish]

Hi!

So this is exciting for me: I am only CD 13 today and I am already getting mixed cm. I've never had that before CD 15 in previous cycles. It's strange because even though I didn't take Clomid this cycle, I've been "feeling my ovaries" a bit, in a similar way to when I took Clomid, so for a while this cycle I've been thinking I might O early, and now it looks like I really am on track to O early. Hopefully things work out this cycle, I'm gonna try not to drive myself crazy analyzing symptoms.

[Nessa84]

I hope this question is okay to ask ...
But how would I get my doctor to prescribe me clomid? What am I supposed to say or what would my symptoms be? Im just doing research for when I am ready.

Thanks

[MrsEnglish]

Hi!

So this is exciting for me: I am only CD 13 today and I am already getting mixed cm. I've never had that before CD 15 in previous cycles. It's strange because even though I didn't take Clomid this cycle, I've been "feeling my ovaries" a bit, in a similar way to when I took Clomid, so for a while this cycle I've been thinking I might O early, and now it looks like I really am on track to O early. Hopefully things work out this cycle, I'm gonna try not to drive myself crazy analyzing symptoms.

So today the cm is completely gone, zip, nada, and I definitely didn't ovulate yet. My body is so weird.

[MrsEnglish]

I hope this question is okay to ask ...
But how would I get my doctor to prescribe me clomid? What am I supposed to say or what would my symptoms be? Im just doing research for when I am ready.

Thanks

Here's what I'd say because it's true for me and I got prescribed Clomid (I did have the ultrasound in hand though + blood work showing lh was three times fsh).

"I've been trying unsuccessfully to get pregnant despite good timing, and I only get my period a few times a year. Ever since I got my period as a teenager, my period has never been consistent, and I can go several months even half a year with no period. A while ago I had an ultrasound done of my ovaries and they said it showed many small cysts and said I probably have PCO. I would like to try Clomid which I've heard is a safe and effective treatment for my condition".

Hope that helps!

[Nessa84]

Thank you,
My period is very messed up even on the pill. I will get a period every month but sometimes different times and for different number of days. once month I had my period for the entire month. So I definitely have some issues with that. I dont know how I will say I am trying to get pregnant when my doctor will be prescribing me the birth control pills. I do have cysts on my ovaries as well. I have been tested for PCOS but i was told no. I do have some of the symptoms tho.

[atomic sagebrush]

Does ubiquinol/CoQ10 lower blood sugar?!? I thought it was one of the few things that didn't seem to sway :( crap

It's ok for pink and blue swayers. I use it for both. Blue swayers cannot ever GET low blood sugar, LOL, because they are eating regularly and eating a lot of high protein foods. It works different for pink and blue swayers because they're eating different diets all together.

[atomic sagebrush]

You’re right to everything.

No, but maybe it’s easier for me to be sure on fat & protein if I don’t list them, I know roughly how many calories they ass up to so if I remove them then just add that to total cals or drop my “target” calorie setting by that I’ll be more accurate in the apps protein & fat readings.

Think I will drop metformin, I’d have to once pregnant anyway.

Raspberry leaf sounds interesting, how does that go girl sway wise?

I’ll think about August. Maybe I should take clomid to continue ttc then drop it for September. All decisions we’ll have a think about over the coming weeks



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Ok just as long as you're taking all that into account. Sometimes people will count them and then when I press further I find that they're only eating a couple hundred calories of "real" food. Since I knew you were eating a lot of fruit and veg, I wanted to be sure you weren't doing that.

:agree: dropping metformin. This has been enough of a recurring thing lately that I'm really getting suspicious that for some people it's doing more harm than good.

We don't have enough info to know how it sways. I have only ever used it in people who have gone on a VERY long time not getting pregnant so I truly do not know how it sways. On paper it may sway blue, but the info on herbs is next to useless, especially since we don't even know how swaying works to begin with so reading about the effects of this herb or that herb is mostly pointless since we don't know which of those things even sways.

I would LOVE to see you have a month off the Clomid though. Over time Clomid really does cut odds of conception so I feel like taking it this month is probably going to be another BFN anyway.

My gut instinct is for you to take month off Clomid, drop Met, possibly do RRLT if you're feeling that.

[atomic sagebrush]

So today the cm is completely gone, zip, nada, and I definitely didn't ovulate yet. My body is so weird.

This happens to me very regularly. Over the last two years I've been tracking CM patterns to get a better vibe of how they work in someone with totally regular cycles and I will often have a day of CM and then nothing the next day and then again the following day. It's all about the hormones and what they're up to and they can def. fluctuate.

[atomic sagebrush]

I hope this question is okay to ask ...
But how would I get my doctor to prescribe me clomid? What am I supposed to say or what would my symptoms be? Im just doing research for when I am ready.

Thanks

You go in and tell them you've been trying to conceive for 6 months and haven't gotten pregnant. This generally only works if you haven't been pregnant for a while. If you're breastfeeding, leave that part out. Don't ask for Clomid, say you've been trying and what do they recommend. They may tell you to keep trying, in which case say "thank you" and go on your way, don't throw a fit about it or you will never get the Clomid! They may send you for blood testing or refer you to another doc and in that case say "thank you" and then just don't show up to the referral and if anyone ever asks (which they won't) just say something came up and you guys decided to postpone trying for a while. OR, the happy ending where they give you the scrip for the Clomid in which case that's great and you grab it and run, LOL. Main thing is, don't ask for the Clomid and don't get upset if you don't get it, it's all good, no matter what it's just something we hope for and if you don't get t, you're no worse off than u were in the first place.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you,
My period is very messed up even on the pill. I will get a period every month but sometimes different times and for different number of days. once month I had my period for the entire month. So I definitely have some issues with that. I dont know how I will say I am trying to get pregnant when my doctor will be prescribing me the birth control pills. I do have cysts on my ovaries as well. I have been tested for PCOS but i was told no. I do have some of the symptoms tho.

If your doc is giving you BCP you aren't going to get the Clomid from that doc LOL. And with everything computerized now it's going to be next to impossible to get it from anyone else either.

What I would try in this scenario is to say "we want to start trying again for another baby, and I've had these problems in the past which u know all about already, O Wise Doctor, is there anything that I can do or take to conceive faster" and then they ~may~ offer Clomid or they may not, and if they don't, then just say thanks and go about your business.

[emshe]

Atomicccccccccc help!

Just took another pregnancy test, CD5 & 2 doses of clomid taken & this

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All tests taken CD1, 2 & 3 were negative. So I have taken 50mg clomid Days 3 & 4. Could this be wrong? Falsely maybe. What do I do.

Wishing this was August and Id taken a month off.


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[Pbn3]

Emshe omg!!! Test again now. If its positive you need to go for bloodwork. Dont take anymore clomid if its pos (sorry for stating the obvious [emoji173])

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[Pbn3]

Atomicccccccccc help!

Just took another pregnancy test, CD5 & 2 doses of clomid taken & this

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All tests taken CD1, 2 & 3 were negative. So I have taken 50mg clomid Days 3 & 4. Could this be wrong? Falsely maybe. What do I do.

Wishing this was August and Id taken a month off.


https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/35220bI'm in shock!! I want to say Congratulations!!! But let's see how next test looks... what dpo would this make you? 14? Sorry I was so stunned to see your post I replied before thinking [emoji23]

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[emshe]

I'm in shock!! I want to say Congratulations!!! But let's see how next test looks... what dpo would this make you? 14? Sorry I was so stunned to see your post I replied before thinking [emoji23]

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Oh Pbn its so nice to hear from you. I have had blood work I am just waiting. But all tests since are negative. I think its a faulty one. Im in limbo.

[Pbn3]

Uurgh!! Have they marked it urgent? Will you find out today? I'm sure you would have told them you've been taking clomid so you'd think they'd put a rush on it. If all other tests have been negative then it quite possibly was a false positive or evap (although very realistic looking evap if it was!)

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[emshe]

Uurgh!! Have they marked it urgent? Will you find out today? I'm sure you would have told them you've been taking clomid so you'd think they'd put a rush on it. If all other tests have been negative then it quite possibly was a false positive or evap (although very realistic looking evap if it was!)

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Yeah its being done as urgent. I should find out today, supposed to take it at 3pm, trust me to do it earlier this cycle.

[Pbn3]

A few hours wont matter and so much better to be safe than sorry [emoji173]

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[Pbn3]

I'll keep checking in for your update this arvy [emoji3]

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[emshe]

I'll keep checking in for your update this arvy [emoji3]

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Came back as less than 2 so definitely a falsey. I took the next dose. Hope i did the right thing. Really wish this was August and I was taking the planned break, this was a day I didn't need AGHHHHHHHHHH

[Pbn3]

OR you could look at it as a day you DID need? Must've given you heart palpatations seeing that line [emoji50] you could see this as a sign of things to come... that's my belief anyway, I'm a big believer in signs [emoji173] Glad to hear its confirmed for you though and you needn't worry about having taken the clomid [emoji4] Are you doing a casual again this cycle? E4d and at pos opk or just e4d (72 hour version) or something else entirely? I miss you in the 2ww group but totally understand needing to take a step back [emoji173]

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[emshe]

OR you could look at it as a day you DID need? Must've given you heart palpatations seeing that line [emoji50] you could see this as a sign of things to come... that's my belief anyway, I'm a big believer in signs [emoji173] Glad to hear its confirmed for you though and you needn't worry about having taken the clomid [emoji4] Are you doing a casual again this cycle? E4d and at pos opk or just e4d (72 hour version) or something else entirely? I miss you in the 2ww group but totally understand needing to take a step back [emoji173]

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[atomic sagebrush]

Oh Pbn its so nice to hear from you. I have had blood work I am just waiting. But all tests since are negative. I think its a faulty one. Im in limbo.

I think you need to wait to see what the bloodwork says before continuing. I can see a line (on my small laptop) and normally I can't see the ghost lines.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yeah its being done as urgent. I should find out today, supposed to take it at 3pm, trust me to do it earlier this cycle.

has there been an update???

[atomic sagebrush]

Came back as less than 2 so definitely a falsey. I took the next dose. Hope i did the right thing. Really wish this was August and I was taking the planned break, this was a day I didn't need AGHHHHHHHHHH

oh ok phew good news.

Hey, could you do me a favor the next time and please update your posts as I just spent some time replying to your other post before I found this one only to find out it was not necessary. Really helps me out. :)

[emshe]

oh ok phew good news.

Hey, could you do me a favor the next time and please update your posts as I just spent some time replying to your other post before I found this one only to find out it was not necessary. Really helps me out. :)

So sorry atomic, I should have thought. Think I was to busy breathing again [emoji51]


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[MrsEnglish]

Boring update for my situation: barely any cm today, but what I did have was mixed -- a bit of ewcm but also thicker cm mixed in there. I did a cervical check and my cervix is very low. CD 15 today, so I'm not going to ovulate early this cycle , but might ovulate "on time" around CD 21. We'll see.

[emshe]

Boring update for my situation: barely any cm today, but what I did have was mixed -- a bit of ewcm but also thicker cm mixed in there. I did a cervical check and my cervix is very low. CD 15 today, so I'm not going to ovulate early this cycle , but might ovulate "on time" around CD 21. We'll see.

Good luck Mrs English!
never boring, love seeing your updates. Of course would love to see your bfp more

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck for this month Mrs. E!! :)

[JJ66]

I'm really, really sorry if I'm hijacking a thread here. I'm trying to post a question in the Clomid support thread, so apologies in advance if I'm cutting in! My question is:

My doctor is on vacay (how dare she), and I'm supposed to start my next round of Clomid today (CD3), as I did last cycle. I actually wanted to ask them about switching to Femara, but even worse, evidently she didn't leave notes for next steps should I not conceive. So I have no Clomid to start on CD3.

They said the nurse tomorrow should be able to prescribe it for me, so now I'm wondering: how much different is it to take it days 4-8? I see more people taking 3-7 or 5-9. Does any of this matter? I hate that I have to switch it up now that I've gotten a sense for my cycle on 3-7, but I'll take what I can get.

Atomic, any recommendations if I'm self-diagnosing my new schedule (i.e. 4-8 or 5-9)? How much do the days really matter? And if anyone has anything to chime in terms of switching up schedules, I'm all ears.

[Pbn3]

I would just take it 4-8 if you were told originally to take it 3-7. One day in the scheme of things wont make that much difference [emoji4] From my understanding taking it earlier results in more chance of maturing more than one egg for release, so there's more chance of at least one egg being fertilised (if more than one released) thereby increasing conception odds. Taking it later was thought to improve egg quality but I'm not sure that's even valid anymore...

Atomic will be able to explain further and much better [emoji4]

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[MrsEnglish]

I think the later you take it the later you ovulate, so just be prepared to ovulate a bit later than usual.

[MrsEnglish]

Yesterday, on a whim, I decided to buy a pack of OPKs, despite that I don't usually use them. Yesterday and today's OPKs were very negative. BUT yesterday I had a little bit of ewcm, and this morning I had oceans of it so we made our one attempt this afternoon. I'm hoping that the ewcm is right and the OPK is wrong. Today I think is CD 20, so this is right around the time that I usually ovulate when I ovulate on my own.

[JJ66]

Yesterday, on a whim, I decided to buy a pack of OPKs, despite that I don't usually use them. Yesterday and today's OPKs were very negative. BUT yesterday I had a little bit of ewcm, and this morning I had oceans of it so we made our one attempt this afternoon. I'm hoping that the ewcm is right and the OPK is wrong. Today I think is CD 20, so this is right around the time that I usually ovulate when I ovulate on my own.

Good luck!! Are you going to continue with the OPKs this cycle?

[MrsEnglish]

Good luck!! Are you going to continue with the OPKs this cycle?

I guess so, but my guess is either that OPKs don't work with me, or that I had my peak the day before I started checking.

[JJ66]

Well I just learned that the on-call nurse isn't certified to prescribe Clomid so I won't be able to get it all this month. I want to cry.

[atomic sagebrush]

Well I just learned that the on-call nurse isn't certified to prescribe Clomid so I won't be able to get it all this month. I want to cry.

What?? Is there no way to get ahold of the doc today???

[atomic sagebrush]

The good news is that Clomid may keep working for you for anoher month after you stop taking it. I've seen TONS of people get girls in a month off Clomid.

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm really, really sorry if I'm hijacking a thread here. I'm trying to post a question in the Clomid support thread, so apologies in advance if I'm cutting in! My question is:

My doctor is on vacay (how dare she), and I'm supposed to start my next round of Clomid today (CD3), as I did last cycle. I actually wanted to ask them about switching to Femara, but even worse, evidently she didn't leave notes for next steps should I not conceive. So I have no Clomid to start on CD3.

They said the nurse tomorrow should be able to prescribe it for me, so now I'm wondering: how much different is it to take it days 4-8? I see more people taking 3-7 or 5-9. Does any of this matter? I hate that I have to switch it up now that I've gotten a sense for my cycle on 3-7, but I'll take what I can get.

Atomic, any recommendations if I'm self-diagnosing my new schedule (i.e. 4-8 or 5-9)? How much do the days really matter? And if anyone has anything to chime in terms of switching up schedules, I'm all ears.

Not at all, this IS the Clomid support thread LOL.

I get that you won't be able to do Clomid this month most likely but to answer the question, you can start it as late as CD 5 and still get good results with it. I personally think we see best chance of conception when taken CD 3-7 but many people do still start CD 5 instead.

There's no difference, everything works just the same, you may O a little later taking the Clomid later, but then again you may not since the egg will have started to develop before you start the Clomid. Everyone's body is a little different in how it responds.

[atomic sagebrush]

I guess so, but my guess is either that OPKs don't work with me, or that I had my peak the day before I started checking.

Are you doing every 4 days now??? Be sure you're starting before u think it's possible to O and continuing till after you think you've already Oed.

[JJ66]

What?? Is there no way to get ahold of the doc today???

I was very pitiful on the phone with her, but she said she can't prescribe without the doctor's permission. And the doctor does ultrasounds before every cycle, apparently! Annoying since so many doctors hand it out like candy. So, I wasn't ovulating when she first gave it to me in February (I thought it was a miracle that I got it in the first place), but I held off on taking it until last month so I could do the diet longer. I happened to take an OPK in May and it was positive (without Clomid). So, I'm probably ovulating on my own and won't be able to get it again. I was hoping she'd just give me 3 cycles of it, but I guess she's big on the monitoring.

I'm thinking this month, I'll just have my attempt and hope there's still some lingering in there. And I've debated trying to score some online, but I'm guessing you can't advise on that, from a liability perspective, haha.

Unless anyone knows of any reputable sources? :think:

[emshe]

I was very pitiful on the phone with her, but she said she can't prescribe without the doctor's permission. And the doctor does ultrasounds before every cycle, apparently! Annoying since so many doctors hand it out like candy. So, I wasn't ovulating when she first gave it to me in February (I thought it was a miracle that I got it in the first place), but I held off on taking it until last month so I could do the diet longer. I happened to take an OPK in May and it was positive (without Clomid). So, I'm probably ovulating on my own and won't be able to get it again. I was hoping she'd just give me 3 cycles of it, but I guess she's big on the monitoring.

I'm thinking this month, I'll just have my attempt and hope there's still some lingering in there. And I've debated trying to score some online, but I'm guessing you can't advise on that, from a liability perspective, haha.

Unless anyone knows of any reputable sources? :think:

Good luck JJ, hopefully this month works out and you wont have to worry!

[emshe]

Yesterday, on a whim, I decided to buy a pack of OPKs, despite that I don't usually use them. Yesterday and today's OPKs were very negative. BUT yesterday I had a little bit of ewcm, and this morning I had oceans of it so we made our one attempt this afternoon. I'm hoping that the ewcm is right and the OPK is wrong. Today I think is CD 20, so this is right around the time that I usually ovulate when I ovulate on my own.

Hope you get lucky Mrs English

[MrsEnglish]

Are you doing every 4 days now??? Be sure you're starting before u think it's possible to O and continuing till after you think you've already Oed.

I have not been doing that consistently. I should start.

BTW, today I had a good amount of ewcm, but less than yesterday's. Checked my cervix this morning and it was super high. I think I'll ovulate tonight or tomorrow, hopefully.

If I don't get pregnant this cycle, I'm wondering if I should do Clomid next cycle. I have one and a half cycles worths left (One 50 mg cycle and one 25 mg cycle). This is my third cycle trying without Clomid.

[atomic sagebrush]

Positive OPK does not mean you're ovulating. Did you get your period that month??

A lot of people do get it on line but yes I have to be very cautious and cannot suggest doing that or give any advice about where or how (but Google is ur friend. ;))

Do still try this month, and you never know what might happen with the doc. Sometimes they'll surprise you - they seem strict but once you've taken it once and no one died LOL they are more likely to give it to you again. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

I have not been doing that consistently. I should start.

BTW, today I had a good amount of ewcm, but less than yesterday's. Checked my cervix this morning and it was super high. I think I'll ovulate tonight or tomorrow, hopefully.

If I don't get pregnant this cycle, I'm wondering if I should do Clomid next cycle. I have one and a half cycles worths left (One 50 mg cycle and one 25 mg cycle). This is my third cycle trying without Clomid.

The e4d really does work very well and I do recommend it for anyone who's been trying for a while.

Refresh my memory, how close postpartum are u now??? I don't want you to waste that Clomid if there is not a high poss that you'll conceive just yet.

[JJ66]

Positive OPK does not mean you're ovulating. Did you get your period that month??

A lot of people do get it on line but yes I have to be very cautious and cannot suggest doing that or give any advice about where or how (but Google is ur friend. ;))

Do still try this month, and you never know what might happen with the doc. Sometimes they'll surprise you - they seem strict but once you've taken it once and no one died LOL they are more likely to give it to you again. :)

Yes, I've been getting my period consistently. That's been somewhat normal, although it was getting lighter/shorter/earlier for awhile (like two days long starting on Day 25 or 26). After this last cycle of Clomid, it's back to 5 days starting right on Day 28. Not sure if that's connected to the Clomid.

Either way, we'll see how this month goes and will revisit next cycle.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you're getting your period regularly the odds are very high you're ovulating. I still think there's a chance she'll give you the medication when she gets back from vacation! :fx:

[MrsEnglish]

The e4d really does work very well and I do recommend it for anyone who's been trying for a while.

Refresh my memory, how close postpartum are u now??? I don't want you to waste that Clomid if there is not a high poss that you'll conceive just yet.

I am one year postpartum.🎉😮😃

Today I still had some ewcm but it was mixed. Thursday and Wednesday it was pure ewcm, and Wed was my one attempt. I did OPKs Tues, Wed, and today (Fri), and Tuesday and Wednesday we're light negatives, and today's was lighter than the control but close to it. I regret not testing yesterday.

So if my 1st attempt was Wednesday, should my 2nd attempt be Saturday or Sunday?

[atomic sagebrush]

Saturday.

1 year is ~probably~ within the realm of able to conceive fairly easily so while it's at your discretion of course, I think it's fine for you to do Clomid again when you're ready.

[MrsEnglish]

Saturday.

1 year is ~probably~ within the realm of able to conceive fairly easily so while it's at your discretion of course, I think it's fine for you to do Clomid again when you're ready.
Okay, we will dtd tonight just to cover bases, but I'm going to mark yesterday as O day (based on nonfertile cm today + two thankfully brief episodes of progesterage), and declare Aug 10 as POAS day.

[Happymommy1987]

Hi! New in this thread...
starting Femara tomorrow and kind of scared I dont know why.. anyone here taking it for swaying purposes only??
Ive been TTC for 3 months without Femara or Clomid now with no luck... I dont know of it was the 1.5/2 day cutoffs, the Rephresh or just not meant to be those months.
But Im hoping Femara will help my chances of conceiving as well as swaying girl.. I have been blessed with 3 sons but have been dreaming of a princess for quite a while now.

Im horrible at diets but I can manage to skip breakfast and go vegetarian.
Please send me pink dust!! And same for all ttc here!!



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[Kjoseph09]

What is it that you are scared of?
I am TTC a girl after 2 boys. I just had a miscarriage. My Dr recommended me waiting to try again for two months. I restarted the LE diet, exercise, coffee and wine. I was hoping to get Femara because of my age, but was only able to get Clomid. I am nervous about the chance of twins.
I’m pretty sure Atomic recommends dropping sway tactics like Represh when using Femara and either DTD every 4 days and/or at positive opk. Wishing you luck! 🤞🏻

[Happymommy1987]

What is it that you are scared of?
I am TTC a girl after 2 boys. I just had a miscarriage. My Dr recommended me waiting to try again for two months. I restarted the LE diet, exercise, coffee and wine. I was hoping to get Femara because of my age, but was only able to get Clomid. I am nervous about the chance of twins.
I’m pretty sure Atomic recommends dropping sway tactics like Represh when using Femara and either DTD every 4 days and/or at positive opk. Wishing you luck! 🤞🏻

Just because my doc didn’t give it to me... But he’s going to monitor me anyhow for other reasons... but This is my last baby and after two sway opposites, I guess Femara is worth a try.. and if it’s not a girl, I’ll still be satisfied I tried my best.


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[Happymommy1987]

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[MrsEnglish]

Hi! New in this thread...
starting Femara tomorrow and kind of scared I dont know why.. anyone here taking it for swaying purposes only??
Ive been TTC for 3 months without Femara or Clomid now with no luck... I dont know of it was the 1.5/2 day cutoffs, the Rephresh or just not meant to be those months.
But Im hoping Femara will help my chances of conceiving as well as swaying girl.. I have been blessed with 3 sons but have been dreaming of a princess for quite a while now.

Im horrible at diets but I can manage to skip breakfast and go vegetarian.
Please send me pink dust!! And same for all ttc here!!



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Hi! Welcome!

I was nervous too the first time I took Clomid, but it turned out just fine. I don't know anything about Femara, but I'd have two tops for anyone starting Clomid so might be the same: 1) take it at night right before going to bed to reduce side effects, and 2) stick with the smallest dose that doctors prescribe.

BTW, I am 100% with you on diet. I am just too lazy to stick to any kind of diet even ones where I'm not hungry at all. I don't stop dieting because I'm hungry, I stop because I want cake. I've been wanting to lose the last five lbs since January with no change. A few times I've lost 2 lbs, then gained them back. I do manage to be vegetarian, but only because I don't like the taste of meat anyway.

[emshe]

Wishing you all the very best of luck for bfp’s ladies


https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/35220b

[MrsEnglish]

Little update: I think I had a hormonally strong ovulation this cycle (I am now not naive enough to think this is a pregnancy symptom, just a stronger hormonal symptom which would have happened even if I didnt get inseminated). Basically, feeling extra hungry, tired, and moody than usual.

I think my attempt this time was weaker than usual. TMI but I aim for laying with my legs in the air for 30 minutes after insemination, and have always done at least 5 minutes, but this time I had bad positioning, and all the semen leaked out within 15 seconds. So I did an unintentional jump & dump.

All in all I feel like the strong hormones and the j&d probably balance each other out, so I feel like I have an average chance of pregnancy this cycle.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi! Welcome!

I was nervous too the first time I took Clomid, but it turned out just fine. I don't know anything about Femara, but I'd have two tops for anyone starting Clomid so might be the same: 1) take it at night right before going to bed to reduce side effects, and 2) stick with the smallest dose that doctors prescribe.

BTW, I am 100% with you on diet. I am just too lazy to stick to any kind of diet even ones where I'm not hungry at all. I don't stop dieting because I'm hungry, I stop because I want cake. I've been wanting to lose the last five lbs since January with no change. A few times I've lost 2 lbs, then gained them back. I do manage to be vegetarian, but only because I don't like the taste of meat anyway.

:agree: we have had good results with people going vegetarian. That is ok to do that. And if u can go vegetarian and exercise, even better. :)

[4blue2pink]

mrs english are you doing AI? i did it with DD3 and i know there is someone ttc girl #2 with ai on here but i cant remember who it is!! :-/ good luck for this month my fingers are crossed for you :)

i get those symptoms you describe randomly some months too its really annoying!! ive bin very hungry post-ov this cycle despite eating the usual amount of food that normally fills me up, its so weird.

[Happymommy1987]

Hi! Welcome!

I was nervous too the first time I took Clomid, but it turned out just fine. I don't know anything about Femara, but I'd have two tops for anyone starting Clomid so might be the same: 1) take it at night right before going to bed to reduce side effects, and 2) stick with the smallest dose that doctors prescribe.

BTW, I am 100% with you on diet. I am just too lazy to stick to any kind of diet even ones where I'm not hungry at all. I don't stop dieting because I'm hungry, I stop because I want cake. I've been wanting to lose the last five lbs since January with no change. A few times I've lost 2 lbs, then gained them back. I do manage to be vegetarian, but only because I don't like the taste of meat anyway.

Thank you for your tips!!! Very well recieved.

[Happymommy1987]

:agree: we have had good results with people going vegetarian. That is ok to do that. And if u can go vegetarian and exercise, even better. :)

Yes! Will do...
Atomic, I have a question.. I was looking at the pink statistics spreadsheet and found there was no specific column for Femara. Should I take Clomid statistics as if they were Femara?

[MrsEnglish]

mrs english are you doing AI? i did it with DD3 and i know there is someone ttc girl #2 with ai on here but i cant remember who it is!! :-/ good luck for this month my fingers are crossed for you :)

i get those symptoms you describe randomly some months too its really annoying!! ive bin very hungry post-ov this cycle despite eating the usual amount of food that normally fills me up, its so weird.

AI, yes but low tech at home, no doctors or clinics involved. With my DD, DH finished in a condom (regular) and I did manage to get pregnant that way, but condoms are somewhat spermicidal, so this cycle he finished in a sterile cup to increase the chance of pregnancy even if it is less of a girl sway.

Before I got pregnant we did try several cycles that were natural ( no AI), but I did not get pregnant from any of them.

I know AI reducea chance of pregnancy, but we are not ready to give it up yet, especially since it's such an easy thing to do, while other sway tactics like dieting can be really hard.

[MrsEnglish]

mrs english are you doing AI? i did it with DD3 and i know there is someone ttc girl #2 with ai on here but i cant remember who it is!! :-/ good luck for this month my fingers are crossed for you :)

i get those symptoms you describe randomly some months too its really annoying!! ive bin very hungry post-ov this cycle despite eating the usual amount of food that normally fills me up, its so weird.

BTW, what did your AI tactic consist of?

[4blue2pink]

that is identical to what we did :) he finished in a non-spermicidal condom ("pasante unique" was the type we used) also no clinic or dr's involved and it only took 2 cycles of trying with 1 insemination per cycle, it wasnt for sway purposes at the time but i really believe in it for pink and dh doesnt want to do it that way again :( i wont lie id feel much much more confident in my sway if it included AI!!

i did a thread on it at the time and put the whole thing in detail so i'll link that for you if you're interested :)

https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/54681-does-home-ai-sway.html

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes! Will do...
Atomic, I have a question.. I was looking at the pink statistics spreadsheet and found there was no specific column for Femara. Should I take Clomid statistics as if they were Femara?

We have a study (which is far more reliable than our statistics spreadsheet!) that shows Femara is actually even a stronger pink sway than Clomid and so it has nothing to do with our stats, it has to do with that study. We have been using Femara for the last 3 years and our results are better than ever!

[xtina33]

Hi there,

Just read through MOST of this thread and used the search bar to try & find an answer to my question but had no luck.

I’m on round 2 of 50mg Clomid (3-7) , last cycle (1st cycle) I had my peak on CD 14. Had a ton in highs which I expected with Clomid. Anyway tomorrow is CD 14 for me on this second round and my monitor is only showing Low readings? I used cheap OPKs aswell so I can see the line progression but this has me concerned.

Is it possible ovulation changes month to month?

[atomic sagebrush]

Xtina I was actually just answering your message so be on the lookout for that, sorry for the delay on that, sometimes I get behind in the PMs and you'll get a quicker answer out here.

YES it is totally possible for O to move on Clomid. What I want you to do is for you to switch to the e4d method (this was what I was advising u to do in the message as well). BD unprotected every 4 days (count this as every 72 hours, or "Monday/Thursday", not those days per se but that's how you count the days) and start this right now nd carry on until you're 110% sure you've ovulated, even if this means going straight through till your next period begins!

This way you will be covered regardless of when ovulation comes and will also protect against false negative and false positive OPK.

[xtina33]

Amazing .. Thank you for your message, I just read it, makes perfect sense.

It’s funny how us women are so switched on to life, juggling children, work commitments, wifey duties, multitasking superwoman, and yet when it comes to our fertility and that overwhelming need to have a baby, all that common sense shoots out the window along with our cool heads �� lol

[atomic sagebrush]

Exactly! Just let me know how I can help! :)

[xtina33]

Here’s another question... or statement really..

I just got my peak! Yay! But, we BD yesterday morning and I was planning on not BD’ing until Saturday. The peak threw me a bit because I wasn’t expecting it! Even though it is CD 14, I just thought it would be later this month. Anyway, we DTD as soon as I saw my peak.. last month we did the 1 attempt 1-2 days before my O and it didn’t work for us, so adding this extra attempt SHOULD catch the egg. I’m just now nervous that we have technically done 2 attempts :/

I have looked at the stats on Clomid and seen that there isn’t a huge difference between 1 attempts and 2. Do you think I did the right thing?

I’m only cycle 2 of Clomid but the doc only prescribed me 3 cycles. He was very wary of prescribing me anymore that that. No idea why. He was reluctant to even prescribe it?! Iv responded so well from the medication, I actually feel great!

Gosh I hope Iv done the right thing .. my heart told me to do it! And I really fancy my hubby at the moment so I did! Ha

[atomic sagebrush]

Given that you only have the 3 cycles of Clomid I would have told you to have another attempt anyway. :)

There has recently been a sea change with docs only giving out 3 months of Clomid. I have my suspicions that this has to do with people taking double doses trying for twins. The handful of people who are breaking the rules and taking double and triple doses are wrecking it for those of us who need it legitimately or would like to sway with it, GRR!! But not really that unusual to hear and I 100% think u guys did the correct thing adding that attempt. Good luck and pink dust!

Oh and one more thing, from here on in I want you to do e4d to cover in case that's a false peak and O is delayed!! Sometimes your body will gear up to O and then decide to hold off and it's important to keep having regular attempts in case that happens.

[Elena86]

I'm still thinking about taking clomid because my doctor she was also very wary of prescribing me Clomid.
It made me a little bit afraid. Eventually she has giving me 2 rounds of Clomid. The first month of trying i didnt take it.
Can anybody tell me the side-effects? What is the succesrate for Clomid?

[atomic sagebrush]

Success rate for Clomid plus pink sway tactics is 75%.

Doctors are negative on Clomid for no real reason. It is because it can up odds of twinning and twinning can cause higher risk pregnancy.

THere are some side effects (which all you need to do is Google, and you'll be able to read them, also should have come with your medication packet) but they are minor and don't bother most people much as long as you take them as prescribed. Clomid has been around since the 60's and is a very safe drug that's been used by millions of people.

[onebigwish]

Hi this is my second cycle without clomid, last AF was on 27 July and only lasted for 4 days which never ever happened to me i normally have periods of 6/7days. Could it be a pseudo AF? Or can clomid make the periods shorter? I’m CD9 today and have weird cramping testst say bfn...

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, Clomid can make periods shorter but also swaying can do that as well.

Getting your period in a normal time frame (which this is in normal range) indicates to me that this was a real AF and just shorter than your usual. 4 day period is totally normal and even without Clomid OR swaying it is not at all unusual to occasionally have a shorter or longer period than what you normally do. :)

CD 9 is too early - your'e not out yet! FXFXFX!

[onebigwish]

Yes, Clomid can make periods shorter but also swaying can do that as well.

Getting your period in a normal time frame (which this is in normal range) indicates to me that this was a real AF and just shorter than your usual. 4 day period is totally normal and even without Clomid OR swaying it is not at all unusual to occasionally have a shorter or longer period than what you normally do. :)

CD 9 is too early - your'e not out yet! FXFXFX!


Thanks atomic! I think it’s from the diet too. My app says i will ovulate on CD13 so i think the follies start growing and that’s what causes the cramping.

[MrsEnglish]

Success rate for Clomid plus pink sway tactics is 75%.

Doctors are negative on Clomid for no real reason. It is because it can up odds of twinning and twinning can cause higher risk pregnancy.

THere are some side effects (which all you need to do is Google, and you'll be able to read them, also should have come with your medication packet) but they are minor and don't bother most people much as long as you take them as prescribed. Clomid has been around since the 60's and is a very safe drug that's been used by millions of people.

Atomic, you are the voice of reason on this. On countless other websites the women go crazy when hearing of someone taking Clomid unmonitored (and so much more if unperscribed!), and I'm sick of it! Clomid does not deserve it's bad rap, and does not deserve to be thought of as dangerous!

Every medicine has side effects, and people have died from taking Aspirin, but that make taking Aspirin risky behavior that should be tsk tsked about.

*Gets off soapbox*

[atomic sagebrush]

Same sites recommend people doing things that are ACTUALLY dangerous like taking cranberry, aspirin, and Sudafed together, and women taking licorice root, and putting egg whites that have been left at room temperature for many days in their vagina when we know that salmonella causes miscarriage (no one do these things, please)

It would be one thing if the doctors were using the medication responsibly. But they aren't!!! That's the weird thing part of all this and the ONLY reason I'm as tolerant of this as I am is because doctors are tossing it at people in sky high doses with no monitoring/witholding it for no reason from people who are legitimately in need of it. The only case of OHSS we've ever had on Clomid was a woman given a (much) higher than normal dose of Clomid with no monitoring because she didn't get pregnant with ONE MONTH of 50 mg.And even WITH the monitoring, they're screwing that up too so the monitoring is no guarantee of anything. The only triplets we have ever had on Clomid was a woman giving a higher than normal dose of Clomid (for no reason IMO) with monitoring and the doctor told her that she only had one follicle, but she had at least three because they were fraternal. We have had people being told by doctors to take Clomid at the wrong part of the cycle without any testing and without even being told to take a pregnancy test. The doctors themselves are not using the medication correctly and thus that's why I am as tolerant of all this as I am.

[Liliana]

Hi! I try to open the link but it says i have no permision to access the link. I have payed the membership a few months ago. I see that clomid is swaying pink 75%. Are there any studies with Femara in procentage? I can only get Femara plus from what i read here is less posibilities for twins.
Thx

[ksmom]

I looked through the sways ladies have posted (anyone can view these) and I counted 16 people total that used Femara. Now obviously there are probably more people who have swayed using it but just never posted their sway. Keeping in mind the small sample size, of those 16 pink sways there were 9 girls, 5 boys, 1 unknown (they never updated) and 1 set of boy/girl twins. Of those 9 that got girls, 4 of them had been TTC for 1-2+ years (2 of those had also been on diet for 2+ years). Femara is "lower risk" compared to Clomid because there's a reduced chance of multiples and it also may even be more pink friendly than Clomid. I'd love to see more people using Femara over Clomid just to see how the stats are over time.

[Liliana]

there were more twins with clomid, right! 75% pink sway is a very good porcentage. Thx

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi! I try to open the link but it says i have no permision to access the link. I have payed the membership a few months ago. I see that clomid is swaying pink 75%. Are there any studies with Femara in procentage? I can only get Femara plus from what i read here is less posibilities for twins.
Thx

Yes, there was a study done last year or maybe 2016 that found that Femara was more pink-friendly than Clomid.

We aren't sure if Femara is less chance of twins any more. Another study was done that found it actually made more twins,contradicting earlier studies. So we really don't know on that.

I think Femara is a good pink sway and we have had people who got girls on it who didn't enter their data into the stats who got girls while taking it, so I believe it's actually better results than it looks like from our stats.

[Happymommy1987]

Hi!
Just took Femara this cycle. Went in for monitoring today (cd10) and.... i have two follicles!
Im in shock.
What to do?!
I have 3 kids already... i dont mind 5, but what if one of those fertilized eggs divides and becomes identical, ending up with triplets? Is that possible?

What would you do?



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[atomic sagebrush]

It is totally normal to have 2 follicles and many times you'll have 2 even in natural cycles. This does not mean that both eggs will even be ovulated, let alone fertilized and successfully implant. we have had people who were told to try by their doctors with 4-5 eggs (being ovulated, not just follicles!) and did not get pregnant or got pregnant with one.

Worrying about an egg splitting into ID twins in this scenario is like worrying about getting hit by lightning on the way to the doctor's office. It isn't a rational worry. One in 250 pregnancies involve ID twins and a pregnancy with fraternal twins where one splits to make triplets is so rare I couldn't even find a stat on it!

[Liliana]

Maybe then I should try to buy clomid instead of femara if is more likely to have twins with femara.. anyone knows more or less the porcentage of twins with clomid or femara? Thx