March 2018 TTC & 2ww thread

[gafan]

Star- Wow, way to go with early spring cleaning! I hope your test went well and that you get some good results.

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[Pbn3]

Would it matter if the bding is spaced 4 days apart after the one attempt, in case the ovulation didn't happen and then happens later? We are aiming for one attempt at positive opk. So unprotected sex 4 days later shouldn't affect anything with the one attempt sway . And after that could it be every two days or should it be every four days intercourse? We are on the DH release every other day plan.

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Gafan yes I would just keep bding e4d after your one attempt and then its irrelevant whether you o late or not as you'll basically still only ever have one attempt. I wouldn't start doing every 2nd day unless you're temping and have well and truly confirmed o. We've all had that one or so cycle that goes haywire and there can be numerous reasons for oing late so to err on the side of caution I'd avoid eod altogether when swaying pink [emoji4]

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[Verena]

ABC and star, how did your appointments go?

Mummy can't wait for your morning test! FX!

My temperature isn't that high this morning, but at least I'm quite sure it's in post ovulation range. So I guess it's impossible to say for sure what day I ovulated on. From my feeling I would say yesterday so I'm afraid odds of conception won't be so good this month...

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[emshe]

ABC and star, how did your appointments go?

Mummy can't wait for your morning test! FX!

My temperature isn't that high this morning, but at least I'm quite sure it's in post ovulation range. So I guess it's impossible to say for sure what day I ovulated on. From my feeling I would say yesterday so I'm afraid odds of conception won't be so good this month...

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We can only hope & wait the wait. Keep busy Verena


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[Pbn3]

Verena if you oed yesterday then you have a 2-o attempt which is as good as a 1-o attempt!

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[mummy2boys]

Bfn this morning ladies [emoji17]


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[Pbn3]

What???!!! Oh that sucks mummy! Do you think it was some kind of transfer on those first two tests? It would be pretty bad luck if they were both faulty so it seems unlikely. Chart is still looking good and if there's still every chance [emoji173]

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[Pbn3]

You don't have any frers to test with tomorrow?

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[mummy2boys]

I know!! I don't get it, I was sure it would be bfp today. No frers, just cheapies. I did have a false positive on a cheapie last cycle but only one [emoji53]


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[Girl Dreaming 55]

Oh no mummy that sucks! It's not over yet!
Verena can't wait to see what happens, temp still above coverline so fx!

[emshe]

Mummy, hopefully it’s wrong. Will be wishing for you


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[Verena]

We can only hope & wait the wait. Keep busy Verena


https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/35220bYes you are right emshe... I find it so annoying when inspite of using opks and temping it's not clear when I ovulated. Because then I don't even know how long I have to wait. I think you are in a similar situation this month. Have you decided yet when you will test?

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[Verena]

Verena if you oed yesterday then you have a 2-o attempt which is as good as a 1-o attempt!

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]Pbn I think it is an O-3 attempt if I o'ed yesterday? I hope I o'ed a bit earlier though but I think yesterday is more realistic...

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[Verena]

Oh no mummy, how strange! Maybe you can get another brand of internet cheapies if those tests are so unreliable? But I'm still hoping something was wrong with today's test, not yesterday's! FX

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[Pbn3]

Pbn I think it is an O-3 attempt if I o'ed yesterday? I hope I o'ed a bit earlier though but I think yesterday is more realistic...

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[emoji170] 08/2014 [emoji170] 04/2016Sorry didn't look at your chart after that post aboutoong yesterday. I think o was cd13 regardless of only 4 hours sleep. It still would have been enough rest plus you took it again at your usual time and it was higher? You didn't get up or move around prior to either temp taking?

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[Verena]

Sorry didn't look at your chart after that post aboutoong yesterday. I think o was cd13 regardless of only 4 hours sleep. It still would have been enough rest plus you took it again at your usual time and it was higher? You didn't get up or move around prior to either temp taking?

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Oh I like what you're saying [emoji6] i got up at 12:30 am to use the toilet and I think I fell asleep afterwards and slept until about 5 am. Probably one of my DSs woke me up (sleep next to me [emoji85]) but I think I only had to hold a hand for some minutes and then I took the temp and fell asleep again. And yes, at my normal time it was way higher. Maybe the follicle got so big that it burst immediately after lh surge? I really hope so...

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[mummy2boys]

Thanks everyone but started spotting now [emoji17]


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[ABC.2606]

Sorry Mummy :( :( Those tests looked so hopeful!!

Verena I've had cycles where it was not clear which day I ovulated - despite opks, temping and even a follicle ultrasound once! It's so frustrating! Hang in there - it does look like CD13 is possible so you'd have a great chance with that!

My appointment went ok I guess. RE said possible causes of the m/c's are a blood clotting issue, chromosome defect in me or DH, or something in my uterus (polyp, fibroid, scar tissue). So she's running a bunch of blood tests and I will have an ultrasound of my uterus after my next AF starts. A blood clotting issue or uterus issue would probably be treatable. A chromosome defect isn't, but she said there's a less than 1% chance of it being that. So, we'll see!

[Girlswaylondon]

Glad things are getting seen to quickly abc! Was just coming on here to ask how you were x

[ABC.2606]

Thanks girlsway :) Hope you're feeling well?!

[Girlswaylondon]

Thanks girlsway :) Hope you're feeling well?!

Feeling poop but trying not to complain! My dating scan is in 2 weeks feeling super nervous already, don’t think nerves ever go away for us do they?!

Wishing you all bfps :heart:

[emshe]

Wow so much has happened overnight!

ABC I am so happy your getting the investigations done, it will help so much to have all the information. Good luck with the tests & results.

Verena yes I am uncertain of when I ovulated, boo! I don’t know when I’ll test. I’ve been wanting my charting to tell me more.

Mummy I’m sorry to hear this, hope you’re ok?






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[emshe]

My sleep is driving me nuts! I wake up every 3 hours, sometimes less & it seems to be from really vivid dreams. Drugs, cars driving on the wrong side straight for us etc.
so annoying.

Anyone have any tips for early early signs of eye problems? Usually a wipe with colloidal silver does the trick but I’m unsure on using it just in case.
Probably happening due to lack of sleep


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[Pbn3]

Emshe I'm no help on the eye issue but I want to say that vivid bizarre dreams can be an early pregnancy symptom [emoji12]

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[Pbn3]

Thanks everyone but started spotting now [emoji17]


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[emshe]

Emshe I'm no help on the eye issue but I want to say that vivid bizarre dreams can be an early pregnancy symptom [emoji12]

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Well we can hope that maybe, & not that I’m about to join a drug cartel that drives like maniacs yikes!!!


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[emshe]

No chance its implantation spotting?

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I hope this is what it turns out to be mummy


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[mummy2boys]

I don't think so pbn, my af usually starts with spotting for two days or so. And another bfn today. I'm really disappointed, I was so confident this cycle! I felt like we'd done everything right.


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[Pbn3]

I was so sure too mummy2boys! So much I wasn't even surprised at all when you posted those bfps. I'm really not convinced they were faulty tests... to have both tests show a line?? Faint? Yes. But definately there. What brand are these cheapies?? Do they mention how sensitive they are? I did think it crazy you got a bfp day after implantation, usually 2-3 later is the norm with a very sensitive test but anything is possible when ttc. That I DO know lol.

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[Verena]

Mummy I'm really sorry AF is arriving. To me it sounds a bit like your luteal phase is a bit on the short side? If I don't mix it up you started spotting on 9 dpo? Have you been checked for this?

ABC to me this sounds really good! They seem to take it very seriously and really check for everything immediately. So I'm hoping for some clear answers for you soon.

So I guess I really might be 3 dpo today, yay [emoji3] Not long to go until testing time! [emoji2]

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[ABC.2606]

Thanks Verena. Yea, I'm just hoping the answers aren't really bad (like, that we can't/shouldn't try to conceive again).

Yay for 3 dpo!

[Girl Dreaming 55]

Exciting verena can't wait to see!!
I'm sorry to hear this mummy hope you are ok

[mummy2boys]

Thanks everyone. They are one step tests pbn, 10 miu. I got a faint positive one one last time on the same day as a pretty good line on a frer, that was 10dpo.
Yes it does seem short verena, it was a bit longer before my last loss but was only 7 days last month! The gps here won't do anything about it though. Can barely get any tests till 3 losses.
Abc, I'm so glad you are getting all these tests done, hope you get some answers soon. Hope everyone else is well [emoji106]


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[ABC.2606]

Mummy - wait, what?!! Why wont your doctors do anything about that? 7 days is too short!! I was put on Clomid basically just because I have a 10-ish day LP and my progesterone was at the lower end of normal - and while obviously I have some other issues going on, I am convinced (as are my doctors) that the Clomid has really improved my progesterone levels after O. Will they not even give you progesterone supplements for after you O? If your LP is not 10 days or even if you're starting to spot before 10 days it really seems like they should be willing to give you something!! I know there are some natural ways to help lengthen it too, although I know some of those sway blue (like vitamin B6). Are you eating eggs, salmon, full fat dairy? That could also help (and are ok on a girl sway diet, if you're doing LE). Ugh - sorry this has to all be so frustrating!!

[Pbn3]

Mummy2boys I wouldn't worry about your lp just yet. Your body could still be recovering from your recent loss in late January/early February. Your Feb cycle lp was 7 days and that seems to be a one off as this one is still going at 10 days now so it may be just hormones settling into place and by next cycle you could be back to having a normal lp. Looks like things are ironing themselves out to me. Anything 10 days and over is a perfectly fine lp. Wow those cheapies are sensitive!!! That's fantastic! You need to get some frers to have on hand in case you see a line on a cheapie again so you can confirm with an frer [emoji12] would remove any question of a faulty test/s.....


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[mummy2boys]

Thanks abc, yeah it's very frustrating! I did start taking b vitamins ( have given up the sway now and thought it might help) and I got pregnant that cycle so I will start again. I would love a girl but I would be so happy with a boy too right now. No, the doctor I spoke to didn't even seem to be interested in my luteal phase and basically said there was no tests they would do as I've had two healthy pregnancies. I'm going to go back though if it doesn't work out soon. I'll give it one more months attempt. My spotting has stopped now so god knows what's going on lol. How are you?


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[emshe]

Thanks abc, yeah it's very frustrating! I did start taking b vitamins ( have given up the sway now and thought it might help) and I got pregnant that cycle so I will start again. I would love a girl but I would be so happy with a boy too right now. No, the doctor I spoke to didn't even seem to be interested in my luteal phase and basically said there was no tests they would do as I've had two healthy pregnancies. I'm going to go back though if it doesn't work out soon. I'll give it one more months attempt. My spotting has stopped now so god knows what's going on lol. How are you?


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Thinking of you mummy. Must be so confusing


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[emshe]

Didn’t even bother recording a temp today, my sleep is just making it impossible.


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[mummy2boys]

Thanks emshe. When will you be testing? 🤞


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[ABC.2606]

Weird - so the spotting never turned into AF and has stopped?? But hpt is still negative? So frustrating!!! Hopefully like Pbn said it does sort itself out (was LP less than 10 days before your m/c?). I did have a 10 day LP when I got pregnant with my boys and conceived them easily, so it's def possible with 10 days, but yea, I agree with you, I don't think it's a bad idea to go back if you aren't pregnant soon. It would seem odd that if you do have a shorter LP that they wouldn't at least give you progesterone suppositories/pills for after O.

I'm doing OK thanks - got myself into a bit of a panic yesterday because the RE did a HCG test and it came back at 146, and then I started bleeding again yesterday, and cramping today, so I ended up going to see the doctor who did my D&C today for a quick "check up" ultrasound to make sure there weren't any signs of retained tissue, blood clots, etc. There wasn't thankfully and she said things look really good - and that the HCG should zero out in a few weeks. For now I'm just waiting for the blood results from the RE, DH has to go get his blood tests on Monday, I have to get HCG rechecked on Monday, and then have an in-depth ultrasound of my uterus probably in a few weeks time. So just waiting and worrying about test results :)

[emshe]

Thanks emshe. When will you be testing? 🤞


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Honestly I don’t know. Haven’t really thought about it. Being confused over when I ovulated doesn’t help, but think I’m nervous to find out either way


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[emshe]

Weird - so the spotting never turned into AF and has stopped?? But hpt is still negative? So frustrating!!! Hopefully like Pbn said it does sort itself out (was LP less than 10 days before your m/c?). I did have a 10 day LP when I got pregnant with my boys and conceived them easily, so it's def possible with 10 days, but yea, I agree with you, I don't think it's a bad idea to go back if you aren't pregnant soon. It would seem odd that if you do have a shorter LP that they wouldn't at least give you progesterone suppositories/pills for after O.

I'm doing OK thanks - got myself into a bit of a panic yesterday because the RE did a HCG test and it came back at 146, and then I started bleeding again yesterday, and cramping today, so I ended up going to see the doctor who did my D&C today for a quick "check up" ultrasound to make sure there weren't any signs of retained tissue, blood clots, etc. There wasn't thankfully and she said things look really good - and that the HCG should zero out in a few weeks. For now I'm just waiting for the blood results from the RE, DH has to go get his blood tests on Monday, I have to get HCG rechecked on Monday, and then have an in-depth ultrasound of my uterus probably in a few weeks time. So just waiting and worrying about test results :)

Always something to keep our minds occupied isn’t there, I’m really hoping it’s all just been rotten luck, or that it’s something easily managed ABC


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[mummy2boys]

Really glad things are looking good and hopefully that hcg will drop quickly. Mine was checked every two days because they were worried about ectopic and it halved every time I was tested so hopefully yours will be back to zero in a week or so. Hope DHs tests go well on Monday too.
My lp (since I started tracking my cycles so about 2 years) has always been around 10/11 days but it got longer when taking the b vitamins. I've no idea what it was like when I conceived my boys as I had never even heard of an lp then lol. I just got pregnant first try both times [emoji23]
Yeah spotting has all stopped and no AF. Frustrating because I really want some wine but scared to just in case haha


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[mummy2boys]

Emshe, you are very sensible not to test early, I wish I hadn't lol


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[ABC.2606]

Mummy - yea they only tested my HCG b/c I took a pregnancy test the other day and the lines was still really dark!! Freaked me out!! But yea, if it's down further on Monday I think they'll call it good and stop testing, especially now that I've had an ultrasound that confirms everything looks fine.

That's good that the B vitamins do seem to lengthen your LP! Just wish we knew what was going on with this cycle!! Although as Pbn said you are recently off of a miscarriage so that could still be throwing things off maybe? I hear you on the wine - it has consoled me with every BFN and m/c the past 8 or so months :)

[ABC.2606]

Always something to keep our minds occupied isn’t there, I’m really hoping it’s all just been rotten luck, or that it’s something easily managed ABC


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Emshe - thanks, yea that's what I'm hoping too. :worry:

Excited to see your tests!

[Pbn3]

Emshe I think you should test on Tuesday! You'll either be 10dpo or 12dpo. Are you using frers to test?

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[Pbn3]

Noemi how are you?! You should be getting a pos opk any day now if you're using them. Hope its tomorrow or the next day!! Will you attempt tomorrow to keep in with e4d?

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[emshe]

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Whatever I have left over, think there’s some frer.

But just discovered some bleeding [emoji51]

[Pbn3]

Gafan how are you? You'd be approx 3dpo??

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[Pbn3]

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Whatever I have left over, think there’s some frer.

But just discovered some bleeding [emoji51]Spotting or bleeding? As in only when you wiped or you need a liner? Has it been just the once?

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[emshe]

Spotting or bleeding? As in only when you wiped or you need a liner? Has it been just the once?

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

On a liner, quite bright tomato/pinkish. I wiped earlier and thought I saw pinkish tinge. Nothing last visit


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[Pbn3]

Exciting Emshe if that's all you end up having!! Fx fx fx

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[gafan]

Gafan how are you? You'd be approx 3dpo??

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]Thanks for asking. I had what appeared to be a positive OPK on Thursday the 15th around 1pm. Due to travel, attempt was Wednesday the 14th around 11pm. Not sure if I ovulated but opks have been negative past few days with a very short fade out. Last time it took more days for test line to fade out. So would that put me at 5dpo today (21st?). Not sure when I will test but implantation may happen within next few days with a lot of luck.

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[emshe]

Thanks for asking. I had what appeared to be a positive OPK on Thursday the 15th around 1pm. Due to travel, attempt was Wednesday the 14th around 11pm. Not sure if I ovulated but opks have been negative past few days with a very short fade out. Last time it took more days for test line to fade out. So would that put me at 5dpo today (21st?). Not sure when I will test but implantation may happen within next few days with a lot of luck.

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Wishing you luck gafan


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[mummy2boys]

How are you doing emshe? Any more spotting?
Good luck to you gafan!
More weirdness for me this morning lol. Still no af and another bfn on my cheap tests. So I decided to test on another cheap test that only detects 25 and I've got faint lines. On two of them. They are very faint and won't photograph but definitely there. What's going on?!!!


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[mummy2boys]

Top one detects 10 and bottom 25. Can you see anything?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180322/9e2aa869eeb0f854f0421606391b42a2.jpg


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[Verena]

Mummy I see lines on all of them!!! How many dpo are you? Keeping everything crossed for you! 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

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[Pbn3]

Mummy2boys I see a line in every test!!! You have to be pregnant! Your chart screams pregnant and now you have lines on two different types of tests. Do they run betas where you are? Could you ask for 48 hour bw?

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[Pbn3]

Oh and that must've been implantation dip and spotting? Makes sense to get a bfp on a 25 test 3/4 days after suspected implantation... what those earlier tests were picking up I have no idea...

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[mummy2boys]

No they won't do anything like that here, won't see you at early pregnancy unit till 6 weeks! And that's if there is a history of issues. I've ordered a frer off Amazon and it will be here later. I'm stressed because the lines are so faint and I'm 11 dpo. I had very strong lines last time at 10 dpo and that ended badly. Will update later. Thanks everyone


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[Pbn3]

They are really good lines for a 25mIU test! Let's wait and see how the frer looks. Will you test today or with fmu? Don't suppose you saved a sample from these tests?

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[mummy2boys]

I've saved first and second from this morning so I'll have a choice [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[Pbn3]

Awesome! A women after my own heart [emoji23] Love your thinking!!

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[Girl Dreaming 55]

Good luck gafan will be watching! Emshe have you had any more spotting? Mummy I see those lines too! How exciting!!

I've been spotting still, my period would be due today so I guess that can be normal? I don't have any cramps now but the spotting worries me. It's every time I have my bo it's bright red then goes straight to brown. Then it stops. Hoping it's nothing to worry about as I'm still so early I can't get anything checked!

[mummy2boys]

Thanks girldreaming. I believe spotting can be totally normal, try not to worry ( I know that's impossible!) are you uk too?


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[Pbn3]

Hope the spotting stops soon girldreaming! I've heard of cases where spotting happens all pregnancy so I wouldn't be too concerned yet. It's a shame you cant get betas for peace of mind! I cant understand what the big deal is and why they won't order them done when asked, especially when there's spotting involved or in mummy2boys case recurrent losses.

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[mummy2boys]

Well there's a line ladies but it's very, very faint. I don't have a good feeling about this, my line way way stronger with my last m/c at 11dpo


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[Pbn3]

Can you post a pic mummy? I'll be holding out hope that this progresses normally and is just off to a slow start....

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[Pbn3]

That's actually a pretty good line mummy2boys [emoji848]

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[Pbn3]

Have you got more frers to test with over the next few days?

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[mummy2boys]

Yeah I've got three more. I've just been googling though ( I know I shouldn't) and all the 11dpo pics I've seen are way darker


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[Pbn3]

But you could also google faint 11dpo lines and see a whole lot of them too (that go on to be normal pregnancies) Will you try and wait 48 hours to test with an frer again? Don't lose hope mummy2boys! I think you have an excellant chance of this being the start of your sticky bfp!! Look at your chart!!! And speaking of charting please stop temping now!

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[Star4012]

Oh my goodness so much is happening with you all!!

Praying your lines continue to get darker mommy2boys!! I think it's a good sign getting positives on all those different tests. Don't give up hope just yet. Every pregnancy is different! <3

Emshe, hmmm... I wonder if that's implantation spotting-- how are your temps? Saying a prayer for you!

Gafan, eeekk! I hope this is your lucky month!! Timing seemed to be perfect. I know we talked about temping before, have you had any chance to do it this cycle to confirm O? Praying for you!!

Girldreaming, I wonder what's going on with all the spotting... you said it's brownish too? I think brown is associated with progesterone being out of whack. Hoping you get some answers soon!

Today is the day for my HSG. Eeekkk! I'll be heading to the city in about 3 and a half hours. I have bloodwork first and then the procedure an hour and a half later. Going to make a long afternoon. I hope it's not as bad as I have heard but also praying there's no blockage! I've been getting some of my results in from my bloodwork the last few days and results from my ultrasound. I'll try to post a collage of my results bc I have about 20 different screenshots. I don't have my followup appt to talk about next steps until May 2nd.

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[Noemi2017]

Hello Pbn, my opk is partial positive so we will bd tonight or tomorrow:D

[Noemi2017]

Mummy2boys:fingers:line become stronger in few days:pray:

[mummy2boys]

Thanks everyone. Good luck today star, hope it goes well.
And good luck noemi with your attempt!


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[Girl Dreaming 55]

Good luck Noemi with your attempt!! Good luck star I hope it goes ok! Mummy will you test again tomorrow?
I didn't know brown spotting is progesterone I just thought 'old blood' I hope it settles soon it's annoying me! And every time I go for a wee I'm worrying about what I might find! I don't think I'm cramping I think it's more muscle ache but could be crampy or maybe I'm just thinking about it too much ha ha! I don't remember this with my daughter.
It's a bit annoying about not getting bloods but over here (UK) they don't really care until later on so we have to just wait and see! I even work in a maternity unit and don't get special treatment ha ha!

[kikurose]

Oh my goodness!!! So much going on here! Can't really reply to everyone but very excited for the BFPs!!!!!!

PBN or anyone can you look at my chart? I've been temping but I don't think I had a temp shift? Did I not ovulate?? 39077

[Girlswaylondon]

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Mine was neg at 10dpo mommy! That’s a GOOD sign!

[Girlswaylondon]

Good luck Noemi!! Hope this is your month! :heart:

[Noemi2017]

Thx u:bighug:

[mummy2boys]

Girldreaming, you would think you'd be able to get some sort of tests in the unit where you work! What a shame. I know exactly what you mean about the worry every time you go to the toilet. Have you thought about getting an early scan in a couple of weeks? I was going to do that last time, I found one on groupon for £23!
Kikurose, did you maybe ovulate on cd 11?
Thanks girlsway, how are you doing? When did you get your bfp and can you remember how dark it was? I'm just worried as last time it was much darker and ended in a mc anyway. Glad you are still popping into this board [emoji3]


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[Pbn3]

Hello Pbn, my opk is partial positive so we will bd tonight or tomorrow:DWoohoo Noemi!!! Cant wait to watch your chart over the next few days to see when o has happened!

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[Pbn3]

Oh my goodness!!! So much going on here! Can't really reply to everyone but very excited for the BFPs!!!!!!

PBN or anyone can you look at my chart? I've been temping but I don't think I had a temp shift? Did I not ovulate?? 39077Kikurose do you have pics of your opks? Also that temp in cd12 has an open circle. Was it taken later or earlier than usual and by how much? I'm leaning towards cd12 as o day.....

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[kikurose]

Girldreaming, you would think you'd be able to get some sort of tests in the unit where you work! What a shame. I know exactly what you mean about the worry every time you go to the toilet. Have you thought about getting an early scan in a couple of weeks? I was going to do that last time, I found one on groupon for £23!
Kikurose, did you maybe ovulate on cd 11?
Thanks girlsway, how are you doing? When did you get your bfp and can you remember how dark it was? I'm just worried as last time it was much darker and ended in a mc anyway. Glad you are still popping into this board [emoji3]


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Thanks mummy2boys! I had a positive OPK on CD 12 with lots of EW CM and that evening had bad ov pains. So I think it happened CD 12. The temp on CD 11 was taken an hour later, could that affect it?

[kikurose]

Kikurose do you have pics of your opks? Also that temp in cd12 has an open circle. Was it taken later or earlier than usual and by how much? I'm leaning towards cd12 as o day.....

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

It was taken an hour later than usual. I use the digital smiley face OPK and had a smiley face on CD 12.

[emshe]

Exciting Emshe if that's all you end up having!! Fx fx fx

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Early this morning I went to the bathroom to find real bleeding. [emoji24]

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[emshe]

Good luck gafan will be watching! Emshe have you had any more spotting? Mummy I see those lines too! How exciting!!

I've been spotting still, my period would be due today so I guess that can be normal? I don't have any cramps now but the spotting worries me. It's every time I have my bo it's bright red then goes straight to brown. Then it stops. Hoping it's nothing to worry about as I'm still so early I can't get anything checked!

Thinking of you girl dreaming, so nerve wrecking every step isn’t it. I’m hoping it’s all just fine


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[emshe]

Well there's a line ladies but it's very, very faint. I don't have a good feeling about this, my line way way stronger with my last m/c at 11dpo


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Mummy wow! I love seeing this, looking fab!


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[kikurose]

Early this morning I went to the bathroom to find real bleeding. [emoji24]

Not sure where to go from here...




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I'm so sorry Emshe. Big hug.

[emshe]

Oh my goodness!!! So much going on here! Can't really reply to everyone but very excited for the BFPs!!!!!!

PBN or anyone can you look at my chart? I've been temping but I don't think I had a temp shift? Did I not ovulate?? 39077

Staying nice & high. Good luck kiku


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[emshe]

Hello Pbn, my opk is partial positive so we will bd tonight or tomorrow:D

Everything crossed for you noemi!


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[Noemi2017]

Thx u emshe:Flower:sorry bleeding came:(

[Pbn3]

Ok then I'm pretty sure cd12 looks the best bet for o day. That's a fast surge though, oing same day as o. If that's what always happens and this isn't a once off it may be tricky to get a viable attempt in doing one attempt at pos opk. I would strongly recommend getting some dip tests to test between both 1-3pm and again in the evening if the afternoon looks close. You can then confirm with a digi if you like. Keep each urine sample until you've read the result in case you need to retest. The other alternative is to do an e4d pattern to get your one attempt in. Either the 96 hour version or 72 hour version (96 slightly more pink but lower conception odds, 72 hour version slightly less pink but much better conception odds)

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[Pbn3]

Early this morning I went to the bathroom to find real bleeding. [emoji24]

Not sure where to go from here...




https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/35220bOh no [emoji22] I'm sorry to see this emshe!

What was your lp last cycle?

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[kikurose]

Yes I have a fast surge most cycles- I think it depends on when my FMU catches it. Thank you for that Pbn3! We tried e4d 72 hours last cycle and nada, this cycle he's gone, but we were going to do e4d again next cycle too with an attempt at posOPK which, clearly, will be difficult if it's a matter of 12 hours.

[emshe]

Oh no [emoji22] I'm sorry to see this emshe!

What was your lp last cycle?

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

Thanks pbn

10 days. That’s why I felt ok giving Clomid a go as I hoped it may lengthen it, & the thinning the lining might be good as it always seemed in the thicker side in my HT scans.

What a bummer, think I’ll give next month a shot then time to move on in life.


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[Girl Dreaming 55]

Oh nooooo I'm sorry to hear this Emshe!!!
Thanks mummy yes I think I will get an early scan at 8 weeks like I did last time, that's a good idea to look on groupon, thank you!

[Pbn3]

Big hugs emshe don't give up! I know just how disheartening it is especially the first few af days but then you get another burst of hope and excitement leading up to o and all the hope and stress of the 2ww so its a constant rollercoaster of emotions and that's just exhausting. But we are here to cheer you on and I'm very hopeful for next cycle! Will you be doing e4d (72 hour version) from af onwards next cycle? I really think it would be wise given the uncertainty of o day this cycle gone.... You'll end up with a viable attempt for sure doing it that way.

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[Pbn3]

Yes I have a fast surge most cycles- I think it depends on when my FMU catches it. Thank you for that Pbn3! We tried e4d 72 hours last cycle and nada, this cycle he's gone, but we were going to do e4d again next cycle too with an attempt at posOPK which, clearly, will be difficult if it's a matter of 12 hours.

Sounds good but again I'd consider testing both afternoon and evening from cd10 onwards as you seem to o on the earlier side [emoji4]

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[ABC.2606]

Mummy - whoa def see the lines!! Hoping they get darker the next few days!!

Sorry emshe :( Was this your first month on Clomid? FWIW I've done 3 cycles of Clomid and it wasn't until the 3rd cycle that I could really see the changes in my cycle and progesterone levels. I've gotten pregnant 2 of my 3 Clomid cycles so I don't know really how it would have affected my LP if I hadn't gotten pregnant those two months, but I DO think it has made a big difference in my progesterone levels. My doc and the RE that I saw the other day see that as well. Obviously I'm still losing the pregnancies so something else is going on but I feel like the Clomid is really helping. So if it was your first cycle, maybe you'll respond better next cycle?

Star hope your HSG went well!

Good luck Noemi!!

[gafan]

Thanks pbn

10 days. That’s why I felt ok giving Clomid a go as I hoped it may lengthen it, & the thinning the lining might be good as it always seemed in the thicker side in my HT scans.

What a bummer, think I’ll give next month a shot then time to move on in life.


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[gafan]

Oh my goodness so much is happening with you all!!

Praying your lines continue to get darker mommy2boys!! I think it's a good sign getting positives on all those different tests. Don't give up hope just yet. Every pregnancy is different! <3

Emshe, hmmm... I wonder if that's implantation spotting-- how are your temps? Saying a prayer for you!

Gafan, eeekk! I hope this is your lucky month!! Timing seemed to be perfect. I know we talked about temping before, have you had any chance to do it this cycle to confirm O? Praying for you!!

Girldreaming, I wonder what's going on with all the spotting... you said it's brownish too? I think brown is associated with progesterone being out of whack. Hoping you get some answers soon!

Today is the day for my HSG. Eeekkk! I'll be heading to the city in about 3 and a half hours. I have bloodwork first and then the procedure an hour and a half later. Going to make a long afternoon. I hope it's not as bad as I have heard but also praying there's no blockage! I've been getting some of my results in from my bloodwork the last few days and results from my ultrasound. I'll try to post a collage of my results bc I have about 20 different screenshots. I don't have my followup appt to talk about next steps until May 2nd.

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[ABC.2606]

Good luck Gafan!!

[emshe]

Thanks ladies.

I don't want to give up but at some point I have to. A whole lot of living has been missed since my first loss in September 2015 (a sway through a naturopath) then a solid year of planning our first American HT cycle in December 2016 (agreed to be a one and only cycle) then a second mid 2017 with a transfer that didnt take, then a return trip 3 months later for a final transfer, our successful transfer followed by the loss of our girl mid November. Its been so long & so much dedication, lost times with my boys, and emotional heartache that has seen me develop anxiety and at times depression. Over 2 1/2 years, YIKES!

Sorry Im venting, sometimes it helps to see it written out that I really have tried my best and maybe next cycle will be it, I hope it is, I really do, as we all do every month but I am thinking that somewhere somehow I have to say, Ive tried my best but this is whats meant to be.

[emshe]

Thanks ABC, yes it was my first cycle of clomid, and I was ovulating without it, so I chose to do it. Maybe I shouldn't have?

Im nervous to use it again, I want next month to be the best shot Ive got!!! Maybe Ill respond better, can only hope right!?

[kikurose]

Sounds good but again I'd consider testing both afternoon and evening from cd10 onwards as you seem to o on the earlier side [emoji4]

DS 2012 [emoji170] DS 2014 [emoji170]
After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

Thanks I ordered some!

[Pbn3]

Emshe what an exhausting journey you've had and wow you have every right to feel over it. I can totally relate to lost time with the boys. I felt the exact same way. I felt such relief when I truly had had enough and stopped ttc (even though I fell pregnant miracously that first cycle after) I felt a huge weight came off me and I was happier then I'd been in a loooong time. I was finally at peace with my family staying as was and like you, felt I'd given it my very best shot and was ready to move on. So if after next cycle you feel the same peace at stopping I will support your decision 100% [emoji173] In saying that I truly do hope you get your long awaited and much deserved bfp. And yes I would definately take the clomid as its such a strong swaying tactic! I ovulated without clomid too but has poor ovarian reserve and took it at my obs advice. Will you consider SMEP for this possible last cycle? Do it to the 'T'?

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[Star4012]

Hey ladies! I'm so sorry af arrived! Don't give up though, I'm sure it'll happen.

My HSG went great! I hardly had any pain and just some light cramping and light spotting. Doc said tubes are clear! Next step is the SHG which is where they put saline in your uterus to check for fibroids and pollops--- that's next Thursday.

I got another test result back tonight and it's my first "abnormal" result. My testosterone is sky high like I think it was close to the 60's which is high for a woman. Hmmmm... [emoji848]

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[Pbn3]

Star that's fantastic the hsg went well and tubes are clear [emoji3] Regarding the testosterone result, did your doc say whether it was cause for concern and/or whether it could be causing fertility/cycle issues?

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[ABC.2606]

Oh wow, emshe. I had no idea you had been through so much!! I'm so sorry :( I hope like Pbn said you finally get your BFP this cycle and I can understand that you feel like you have to be thinking ahead about when it's time to say enough. The emotional burden we carry in this whole process of swaying, hoping, TTC-ing, BFNs, loss, etc. is so intense and draining, and yet it's so hard to let go when we want another baby so much. You can always vent here! Heck, I've certainly done enough of it LOL! I tried to stay away from this site initially after this last loss, but I feel so much support & love from all of you (more than I'm getting from various family members right now!) and it's helping me more to stay connected! I also ovulate without Clomid and have a good ovarian reserve and yet my doc still thought I could benefit from it due to short LP/ low-normal progesterone. He says even if you ovulate regularly, Clomid can help produce a "better" ovulation which ups the chances of conception. So I agree with Pbn about continuing to take it! Hopefully having it in your system now will help you respond better this cycle!!

[ABC.2606]

Star that's great! I think the SHG is what I'm supposed to have done in a few weeks from now so please let me know how it goes for you!!

[emshe]

Thanks so much for your understanding, you really do help. I wish none of us had experienced what we have. But this sure is a lovely place to get help, in every way. THANKYOU to each of you, I know I appreciate it always.

I’m nervous. I have to EAT to get my weight under control & that’s going to alter my sway. I know I have so many elements going for me with the Clomid, metformin, exercise, coffee, alcohol (although I haven’t done alcohol in tww & I haven’t exercised in 3 days...) & hubby doing ole, & the timing things we do but it just feels like I will undermine it somehow. But then I have probably already diminished my chances of falling by depleting myself so much. I think so much my head should explode!

I eat so much, but because I have been sugar free & pretty much grain free for years I don’t think I’ve hit high enough calories, despite having a serve of rice potatoes & cruskits every day with each meal. My veggie intake is big of all the free stuff. I’ve done the serve of yoghurt & chicken daily, and had eggs, salmon, the wholeWay through. Upped fats but The weight just hasn’t stopped coming off. Has anyone else struggled with this?

Any tips and suggestions.

I have eaten pretty bad today. I actually had a cream bun, (haven’t had one of those since I was a kid- Outrageously good OMG), corn chips, a biscuit & ill have some chips/crisps later) I know I need to do it but I don’t want to sway too far the other way. I guess that’s why I’m thinking unhealthy food as they’re less nutritious but will make me put weight back on!? Agh, so lost right now with what to do.

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[emshe]

Hey ladies! I'm so sorry af arrived! Don't give up though, I'm sure it'll happen.

My HSG went great! I hardly had any pain and just some light cramping and light spotting. Doc said tubes are clear! Next step is the SHG which is where they put saline in your uterus to check for fibroids and pollops--- that's next Thursday.

I got another test result back tonight and it's my first "abnormal" result. My testosterone is sky high like I think it was close to the 60's which is high for a woman. Hmmmm... [emoji848]

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[Girlswaylondon]

Girldreaming, you would think you'd be able to get some sort of tests in the unit where you work! What a shame. I know exactly what you mean about the worry every time you go to the toilet. Have you thought about getting an early scan in a couple of weeks? I was going to do that last time, I found one on groupon for £23!
Kikurose, did you maybe ovulate on cd 11?
Thanks girlsway, how are you doing? When did you get your bfp and can you remember how dark it was? I'm just worried as last time it was much darker and ended in a mc anyway. Glad you are still popping into this board [emoji3]


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Mine was sooo light on IC for literally a week! Did darken slightly on frer!

[mummy2boys]

Well looks like it was a chemical. I'm so confused! This morning my frer is almost stark white, just the tiniest hint of a line. But weirdly my cheapie is darker. I'm trusting the frer though. So sad [emoji17]


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[Pbn3]

Oh mummy this is shit!!!! How effing confusing is that??!! All I can say is hang in there still, different tests have different sensitivities so who's to know which is right [emoji17] I agree with not getting your hopes up simply because in my experience I wouldn't be, BUT that's not to say that maybe things are just fine. You clearly have a fertilised egg that has implanted, whether the body is rejecting it or not cannot be determined by hpts as there simply is too much allowance for variance, especially at this early stage. I find it completely and utterly ridiculous you cannot access bw requests for betas [emoji34] especially with your history!!!! Surely there is grounds for it!!?? Why wont they just bloody well organise them on request?!!!

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[Pbn3]

I'm so mad right now!!!!

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[Pbn3]

Going to google home kits for hcg quant testing [emoji135]

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[emshe]

Well looks like it was a chemical. I'm so confused! This morning my frer is almost stark white, just the tiniest hint of a line. But weirdly my cheapie is darker. I'm trusting the frer though. So sad [emoji17]


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[mummy2boys]

Haha pbn I love how mad you are for me!! I know it's ridiculous over here. They won't do anything at all until 6 weeks, even with the last mc which was possibly ectopic. I've just done another cheapie and it's super faint now so I'm sure this is not working out. So what on earth is wrong?! I can clearly get pregnant. It it just won't stick. Maybe it's old eggs [emoji17]


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[Pbn3]

Please don't think that!!! That's EXACTLY what I thought (too old - and had the bw results to prove it) but still soldiered on. I didn't get my rainbow while ttc but I do have to say although I'd given up who's to say she simply wasn't meant to be whether I'd tried or not? Or maybe *something* compelled me to ask for a massage to alleviate sore neck, shoulder and back muscle pain which I never do, which ultimately led to us bding out of the blue which I know for a fact would never have happened if the massage hadn't started things going..... My thinking is, you can get pregnant, but now it's a matter of the right sperm reachimg the right egg (mens sperm does degenerate too) so you either keep trying and maybe only start hpt testing after af is due or if its become to much consider NTNP?

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[ABC.2606]

Mummy ugh I'm sorry it's not clear what's going on right now :( It's just so frustrating. I feel the same way you do - why do I get pregnant so easily when they wont stick? I really wish your doctors would be more willing to check things out/run tests. Not that the tests will always identify or solve anything but it's still good to have them I think.

Emshe - I think you're right that if you have to add in more calories and such to slow the weight loss doing so from unhealthy foods, sugar, sweets, etc would I think be best for your sway rather than super healthy, high calorie, high nutrient foods. Do you have PCOS? I'm supposed to be doing the PCOS LE (bc of possible IR) and I know atomic told me a few months ago that if my weight was starting to get too low I should add in some sugar just to keep the weight on. I've also seen from her that if you're on metformin that allows you to be a little more lax on your diet - as the metformin can counteract the effects of the sugar.

[ABC.2606]

Going to google home kits for hcg quant testing [emoji135]

DS 2012 [emoji170] DS 2014 [emoji170]
After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

Ok you're teasing right - these don't exist?!! Because that would be AMAZING if they did!! :)

[mummy2boys]

Thanks pbn and abc. It's so good to hear your story pbn, and I love that it happened that way! Fate working at its best. And you have your perfect little girl now [emoji177] DH said earlier maybe it's happening for a reason but I don't want to think like that. It was so hard for me to convince him to try again that I wasn't even going to tell him what's happened but I had a bit of a melt down in the supermarket so had to tell him. It feels worse this time even though it's only very early, I guess it feels like it might never happen.
Abc, yes it's so frustrating!! I'm going to go to the gp next week and ask for tests. Now it's happened again they may do some tests. Everything takes a long time here though.


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[mummy2boys]

Glad it went well star! Did they say what high causes high testosterone?
Emshe, sorry you have been through all that. I know exactly what you mean about missing time with your boys, I am feeling that at the moment. Maybe not trying for a while and just seeing what happens might help. That might be what I do too


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[Girl Dreaming 55]

Mummy I'm so sorry it's not clear right now! Hopefully the gp might take some bloods? I know how difficult it is in UK though! X

[mummy2boys]

Thanks girl dreaming. I'm pretty sure it's a chemical, I'm not getting anything on tests now. Just want to start bleeding so I'm out of limbo again.
How are you?


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[mummy2boys]

Thanks girl dreaming. I'm pretty sure it's a chemical, I'm not getting anything on tests now. Just want to start bleeding so I'm out of limbo again.
How are you?


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[Noemi2017]

Mummy very sorry to hear so:sadflwr:

[emshe]

Mummy ugh I'm sorry it's not clear what's going on right now :( It's just so frustrating. I feel the same way you do - why do I get pregnant so easily when they wont stick? I really wish your doctors would be more willing to check things out/run tests. Not that the tests will always identify or solve anything but it's still good to have them I think.

Emshe - I think you're right that if you have to add in more calories and such to slow the weight loss doing so from unhealthy foods, sugar, sweets, etc would I think be best for your sway rather than super healthy, high calorie, high nutrient foods. Do you have PCOS? I'm supposed to be doing the PCOS LE (bc of possible IR) and I know atomic told me a few months ago that if my weight was starting to get too low I should add in some sugar just to keep the weight on. I've also seen from her that if you're on metformin that allows you to be a little more lax on your diet - as the metformin can counteract the effects of the sugar.

ABC thanks for this! I don’t have PCOS that I’m aware of. I was put on metformin the second cycle of HT as They see improved egg quality in lots of people when they use it. I had insulin resistances the past pre children but with change in diet I managed to get rid of it. All glucose tests last year were normal. But I’ve just kept taking it to help egg quality plus I read on here it helps sway pink. I’ve been sugar free for years, and I was pretty much grain free, so this diet has been a big change & my mindset has still seen me stay away from the sugar as i know how it used to make me foggy etc but if it’s a quick fix I’ll do it! What did you eat specifically that helped you gain weight?


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[ABC.2606]

Emshe, well I haven't really gained weight... Sort of stopped losing it for the moment but as I start back on LE I'm sure I'm going to lose more again. My BMI is at about 20.5 right now though (was about 27 when I started this a year ago) so I'm going to have to be careful about that too. I'm trying to eat about 1700 calories per day right now which is higher than I was eating before each of my BFPs, and I haven't really started back with the exercise yet. I didn't know metformin helps egg quality! I wonder if I should ask my RE about that. Anyways... I think I saw that you had asked atomic about this? It seems tricky to me since you had IR issues in the past, and as you've been sugar and grain free, it would seem like you'd want to be careful about suddenly adding a bunch of sugar in since it seems like that would be a pretty big shock to your system. But you need to stop losing weight it sounds like. Are you eating at the top of the calorie/fat/protein ranges? (like 1,800 calories, 50-60 fat, 50-60 protein). Maybe adding in a few small sweets, chocolates, etc. a day to give you that bit of extra sugar?

[emshe]

Emshe, well I haven't really gained weight... Sort of stopped losing it for the moment but as I start back on LE I'm sure I'm going to lose more again. My BMI is at about 20.5 right now though (was about 27 when I started this a year ago) so I'm going to have to be careful about that too. I'm trying to eat about 1700 calories per day right now which is higher than I was eating before each of my BFPs, and I haven't really started back with the exercise yet. I didn't know metformin helps egg quality! I wonder if I should ask my RE about that. Anyways... I think I saw that you had asked atomic about this? It seems tricky to me since you had IR issues in the past, and as you've been sugar and grain free, it would seem like you'd want to be careful about suddenly adding a bunch of sugar in since it seems like that would be a pretty big shock to your system. But you need to stop losing weight it sounds like. Are you eating at the top of the calorie/fat/protein ranges? (like 1,800 calories, 50-60 fat, 50-60 protein). Maybe adding in a few small sweets, chocolates, etc. a day to give you that bit of extra sugar?

It’s so confusing what to do isn’t it. Ask them about metformin, it’s pretty common for HRC to use. Particularly for PCOS & IR. It can cause tummy upsets at the beginning but if your limiting sugars and empty carbs I found I had no adverse reaction.

I’m on the fertility diet. I do all the limits for protein and fat easily but I can never get the calories up much higher than 1300 with what I eat, I think it’s because I am so particular with regard to sugar & carb stuff. I don’t include any of the veggies I eat in the count and I eat stacks. I have to use a serving salad bowl for lunch as it’s so big and dinner feels like a mountain. Maybe I should try switching to brown rice & sweet potato? I have been having beans as a source of protein which I think maybe I don’t tolerate well (causes me to go to the toilet sorry tmi) so I’ll switch back to 100g of chicken twice a day, or an egg & chicken, and salmon once a week. Or any other protein suggestions within girl sway?

Yes I asked atomic and she said eat whatever! That scares me. I know I overthink everything. Wish I could flick that off switch.

So yeah I’m worried about shocking my body with this stuff. But I have to try my BMI has dropped to 18.3 from 22, which it was in December. weighed myself this morning and I’m almost a kilogram heavier today but that could be AF related. I also ate a lot yesterday and haven’t exercised for 4 days as the weather has been awful & ive felt very weak. I think I need to let go with the diet more.

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[ABC.2606]

Emshe - it sounds like you're doing a perfect PCOS LE diet (ie fertility diet). And that's probably why it's so hard to keep weight on since I know that atomic says people lose weight a lot faster on PCOS LE versus the regular LE (probably as it is so healthy, and the regular LE version is full of sugar!). I really think sugar - not fat - is the biggest enemy in terms of people gaining/being unable to lose weight. I think when people cut out sugar, or even cut back a lot on it, it really changes things in the body and makes you lose weight a lot faster. Seems to have been my experience so far too. Do you ever eat Kind bars? I don't know if you have them where you are - in fact I don't even know where you are - are you in the US? UK? Anyways, I've been eating those lately. They have these "breakfast" ones that have 8 grams of protein in one serving. They aren't completely whole grain but they have nuts, oats, etc. in them. Or maybe there is another type of protein bar that you might try? Those almost always have some sugar in them so that'd give you a little bit of sugar, but it would be balanced a bit with the protein. I agree that potatoes - sweet or regular - would be a good option too as they are pretty "carby", which could help you keep weight on, but I think a lot of people on the PCOS diet eat them. Do you eat dairy? Greek yogurt also has a great amount of protein in it. I'm getting more into lentils and quinoa lately too!

I wish I was as good as you about eating vegetables - I'm just not a big fan!! Although I have started eating more roasted veggies and I do like them that way!

I felt that way - run down, weak, awful - before my last BFP. It's tough. I think the overall lower nutrient diet combined w/ such frequent exercise just really does weaken you after awhile. I barely exercised in the tww before my BFP because I was just so dang tired!

[emshe]

Emshe - it sounds like you're doing a perfect PCOS LE diet (ie fertility diet). And that's probably why it's so hard to keep weight on since I know that atomic says people lose weight a lot faster on PCOS LE versus the regular LE (probably as it is so healthy, and the regular LE version is full of sugar!). I really think sugar - not fat - is the biggest enemy in terms of people gaining/being unable to lose weight. I think when people cut out sugar, or even cut back a lot on it, it really changes things in the body and makes you lose weight a lot faster. Seems to have been my experience so far too. Do you ever eat Kind bars? I don't know if you have them where you are - in fact I don't even know where you are - are you in the US? UK? Anyways, I've been eating those lately. They have these "breakfast" ones that have 8 grams of protein in one serving. They aren't completely whole grain but they have nuts, oats, etc. in them. Or maybe there is another type of protein bar that you might try? Those almost always have some sugar in them so that'd give you a little bit of sugar, but it would be balanced a bit with the protein. I agree that potatoes - sweet or regular - would be a good option too as they are pretty "carby", which could help you keep weight on, but I think a lot of people on the PCOS diet eat them. Do you eat dairy? Greek yogurt also has a great amount of protein in it. I'm getting more into lentils and quinoa lately too!

I wish I was as good as you about eating vegetables - I'm just not a big fan!! Although I have started eating more roasted veggies and I do like them that way!

I felt that way - run down, weak, awful - before my last BFP. It's tough. I think the overall lower nutrient diet combined w/ such frequent exercise just really does weaken you after awhile. I barely exercised in the tww before my BFP because I was just so dang tired!

Ill have a look at the bars, I am in AUS. Ive seen the bars with the bear on them here which I noticed in the US. Cant think what they're called. Yeah I have eaten full fat greek style yoghurt everyday pretty much for years and couldnt give that up, i love dipping my apple in it or having it with strawberries and almonds, or on a butter roasted banana. I am very fortunate I love my veges. Roast veg is delicious. I made soup the other day to which was a nice change and there was so much when blitzed down I could barely get through it. I might pop in quinoa, I used that alot before diet as I love it, but thought maybe it was too nutritious?

Sugar maybe my friend right now by the seems, Ill see how I go, its only short term and my body may appreciate it for now. Ill only be having it with meals so there will be the protein there to help balance it out. The app I used to track with showed me hitting 45grams with just the proteins and fruits I was punching in, I don't know what the norm is? Ill try some lollies, as Ive got to try to stick to the fat limit which I already hit.

[Mommy2apples]

So sorry mummy. Keeping you and abc in my prayers. Something told me to check in here for a moment.

[gafan]

Thanks girl dreaming. I'm pretty sure it's a chemical, I'm not getting anything on tests now. Just want to start bleeding so I'm out of limbo again.
How are you?


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[emshe]

Thanks girl dreaming. I'm pretty sure it's a chemical, I'm not getting anything on tests now. Just want to start bleeding so I'm out of limbo again.
How are you?


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Such a shame mummy, Im sorry

[hannahptrussell]

Hi ladies. I took a break for a couple of weeks and it looks like I’m gearing up to ovulate soon. I wanted to catch up with the thread and WOW that was a roller coaster. I felt ALL of the emotions and I completely agree with PBN’s anger! (I did giggle out loud when I read that one response)
Ladies, I am just sick over the confusion you felt this month. I hate every bit of it. Mummy, this is exactly what happened to me a few months ago. Positive tests only to go stark white again. It was maddening. I’m so sorry! Emshe, I was really cheering for you this month. So sorry that it didn’t progress!
So this is it. I’m 99% sure my husband is done after this month. I’m doing everything I can do, without obsessing and over analyzing. We are currently on the SMEP and just waiting for that pos OPK. I’m trying to relax and allow my body to do what it needs to do. So much easier said than done! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180324/74d0e6ed4dd23f7c1950cccd4b4ed73d.jpg


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[Pbn3]

Welcome back hannah!! How exciting your so close to the 2ww. I love your plan for relaxing (trying to) and smep. I will have everything crossed that this is your bfp coming [emoji173]

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[emshe]

Hi ladies. I took a break for a couple of weeks and it looks like I’m gearing up to ovulate soon. I wanted to catch up with the thread and WOW that was a roller coaster. I felt ALL of the emotions and I completely agree with PBN’s anger! (I did giggle out loud when I read that one response)
Ladies, I am just sick over the confusion you felt this month. I hate every bit of it. Mummy, this is exactly what happened to me a few months ago. Positive tests only to go stark white again. It was maddening. I’m so sorry! Emshe, I was really cheering for you this month. So sorry that it didn’t progress!
So this is it. I’m 99% sure my husband is done after this month. I’m doing everything I can do, without obsessing and over analyzing. We are currently on the SMEP and just waiting for that pos OPK. I’m trying to relax and allow my body to do what it needs to do. So much easier said than done! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180324/74d0e6ed4dd23f7c1950cccd4b4ed73d.jpg


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Oh Hannah I truly hope with all I can that this is your month. I know how it feels to think this is your last shot so wishing its a bulls eye for you. Come on BFP!!!

[emshe]

Weird my reply to hannah has gone for moderation!? I didnt swear I promise (at least I cant remember swearing but the memory isnt what it used to be ;) ) Hannah - thank you and if it doesnt go through, I am cheering you on and hoping beyond hope that this final shot is the BFP you've dreamed of...

Ladies talk me through SMEP!?

Plan of attack after advice from atomic is to start taking clomid on CD5 if pregnancy test is negative, which I am pretty certain it will be. I have been bleeding from Friday which was medium flow, yesterday super heavy and today seems to be slowing a bit. I am normally M, HH, HH, M or L, L. So I think it is a real AF period. Starting clomid later should give my time to start producing estrogen more before blocking it.
So then I was think E4D 72 hour version from day 6. 6,9,12,15,18. Is that a good plan? So do I not need to use opk, or do you still do it just to get clarification on potential ovulation day?

And pbn I dont think I thanked you for your support and understanding. It means so much, especially when in reality you have basically no one around you knows about the rollercoaster you're on and have been on for years and the heartache you've felt silently. Thankyou!

[Pbn3]

Emshe thank you and its my pleasure. I love still hanging around in these 2ww threads like a bad smell [emoji6] as I remember how good it felt to have a support network when ttc, having losses etc. I did have a tough time, but I'm happy to say it's now in the past and while it may flare up here and there, it no longer has any control of my life. Time truly does heal, some things just heal quicker than others.

So onto SMEP. It was designed for older couples (35+) and is also recommended if you've experienced a loss/es. It involves bding eod (every 48 hours) from cd8 through to pos opk. Bd three days in a row starting at pos opk, skip a day and bd the next. It's ideal if you have an average cycle. For those who have longer cycles you may want to start eod a bit more into your cycle or change it to every 72 hours. As an example, if you do the traditional smep and got a pos opk on cd14 your bding would involve this. Bd on cd8, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 18.

If you do e4d (72 hour version) then you absolutely don't have to use opks. Yes it may help in determining o day if there's no clear sustained shift but at the end of the day you are guaranteed an attempt that is considered viable so it really just depends on you. The problem with using them doing e4d is getting a pos opk on a non scheduled bd day as it can mess with your head whether to add in an attempt or not which then can add stress about what it would do sway wise.

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[Girl Dreaming 55]

Hey mummy hope you are ok, any sign of AF yet? Emshe I'm sorrry it's not your month hope smep might work for you! How exciting Hannah that's your 2ww is so soon! Good luck & fx for you!
I'm ok thank you the spotting seems to have stopped so that's good and my husband wants to do a digital test today. My boobs are so sore and I'm really tired other than that I'm good thank you, just very busy working! It all sounds good symptoms but I'm still being very cautious.

[emshe]

Hey mummy hope you are ok, any sign of AF yet? Emshe I'm sorrry it's not your month hope smep might work for you! How exciting Hannah that's your 2ww is so soon! Good luck & fx for you!
I'm ok thank you the spotting seems to have stopped so that's good and my husband wants to do a digital test today. My boobs are so sore and I'm really tired other than that I'm good thank you, just very busy working! It all sounds good symptoms but I'm still being very cautious.

Ooh that’s sounding promising, I hope it is a bfp


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[emshe]

Emshe thank you and its my pleasure. I love still hanging around in these 2ww threads like a bad smell [emoji6] as I remember how good it felt to have a support network when ttc, having losses etc. I did have a tough time, but I'm happy to say it's now in the past and while it may flare up here and there, it no longer has any control of my life. Time truly does heal, some things just heal quicker than others.

So onto SMEP. It was designed for older couples (35+) and is also recommended if you've experienced a loss/es. It involves bding eod (every 48 hours) from cd8 through to pos opk. Bd three days in a row starting at pos opk, skip a day and bd the next. It's ideal if you have an average cycle. For those who have longer cycles you may want to start eod a bit more into your cycle or change it to every 72 hours. As an example, if you do the traditional smep and got a pos opk on cd14 your bding would involve this. Bd on cd8, 10, 12, 14, 15, 16, 18.

If you do e4d (72 hour version) then you absolutely don't have to use opks. Yes it may help in determining o day if there's no clear sustained shift but at the end of the day you are guaranteed an attempt that is considered viable so it really just depends on you. The problem with using them doing e4d is getting a pos opk on a non scheduled bd day as it can mess with your head whether to add in an attempt or not which then can add stress about what it would do sway wise.

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

Wow! That’s full on. Especially if you go with the trying not to have a big O thing. [emoji24]

I think e4d 72 hour is more for me, otherwise I think I’ll question myself over the 1 attempt. What’s the likelihood that my ov day will change greatly with the altered Clomid days. Think it brought it forward 1 day cycle just gone. What would you knowledgeable ladies do?

I do exercise, Clomid, metformin, fertility diet,
Hubby does OLE and regular release.
Shall quiz atomic too!

Can you have the big O in early days of e4d?


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[Pbn3]

Yes absolutely can have the big o. I don't think its considered much of a sway tactic (not having it) anymore... I think e4d is a really good pattern for pink. It's pretty much only ever one attempt and it's not overdoing the bding.

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[Pbn3]

Oh and you'll probably o similar to last cycle and I think your sway is solid [emoji109]

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[Pbn3]

Verena that pattern of little variance in your chart is a very promising sign [emoji8] I am watching with much interest [emoji102] When are you testing? How does 10dpo sound? [emoji14]

Edited to add: just realised it's your first femara cycle? Not sure how that affects your temps and also your pre o temps were very steady too [emoji848] Still very hopeful for you though! Just not as confident as first post...

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[Verena]

Lol pbn, I hope it's a good sign anyway [emoji4] yes it was my first femara cycle and normally I have quite big variances in my temperatures, so maybe that's really the femara!?

I started testing yesterday [emoji85][emoji23] So far - surprise - bfn [emoji6] really hoping to see something tomorrow, I had a bfp on 8 dpo with DS2. I try to remember that I could be only 7 dpo tomorrow as well though.


Verena that pattern of little variance in your chart is a very promising sign [emoji8] I am watching with much interest [emoji102] When are you testing? How does 10dpo sound? [emoji14]

Edited to add: just realised it's your first femara cycle? Not sure how that affects your temps and also your pre o temps were very steady too [emoji848] Still very hopeful for you though! Just not as confident as first post...

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[Verena]

Emshe I'm so sorry AF came! I hope it was just a fluke and next cycle will have a normal lp (and will be successful 🤞🏻[emoji6])!

Hannah everything crossed for you for this cycle!

Mummy I'm so sorry it turned out to be a chemical [emoji17] I had exactly the same last month and I started bleeding the day my hpt turned negative. So I hope it at least goes quick for you as well. [emoji173]️

ABC how are you? Will you get some of the test results next week already?



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[ABC.2606]

emshe sounds like a good plan for your BD attempts this month!

Hannah - FX for you!!

mummy - how are you feeling?

Verena - Ahhh yay you're in testing time!! Still plenty of time for those tests to turn positive :) I'm ok - thank you. The last few days have been tough - I've been pretty down again. Some days are good and some are not. Had a bad cheat day yesterday with LE & had way too much to drink last night. Oh well - it's a new day. I probably will be getting my test results sometime this week - which is contributing I think to my stressed/sad mood, as I'm worried about that. My m/c bleeding has stopped again though so I'm hoping it's really over now and that at least things with my cycle will get back to normal soon.

[emshe]

Verena sending you best of luck for a bfp 🤞🏻

ABC & Pbn I think E4d will be good thank you!

ABC hang in there, the wait is always hard, & remember alcohol sways pink 🤪


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[hannahptrussell]

Thank you ladies! I am so hopeful for this round. Of course I can’t find my stash of OPKs!!! Arg. I may grab a few at the $1 store tomorrow and at least test through my normal ovulation. Of course that would happen on our last time trying.


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[ABC.2606]

Had my HCG retested today and it's down to 25 (it was 146 last Monday). So, it's almost gone, thankfully.

Pbn - I'm still getting dark positive Wondfo OPKs... Do you think that's still b/c of the HCG?

[Pbn3]

Yes it would be Abc. Not long now though [emoji173]

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[Pbn3]

Mummy2boys hugs and I hope you're ok [emoji173]

Star where are you at? Have you got an u/s coming up?

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[Pbn3]

Verena very excited for the next few days!

Noemi your chart keeps changing??!!

DS 2012 [emoji170] DS 2014 [emoji170]
After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[emshe]

Had my HCG retested today and it's down to 25 (it was 146 last Monday). So, it's almost gone, thankfully.

Pbn - I'm still getting dark positive Wondfo OPKs... Do you think that's still b/c of the HCG?

So glad you're body is getting back to normal ABC

[emshe]

Start clomid again tonight, CD5.

We got a little eager and started BD last night. Thought getting some fun stuff in now might help make it easier around business time ;) So now E4D will be 4,7,10,13,16,19 etc... Gosh I hope my luteal phase sorts itself out this cycle.

Hope everyone has or had a great day!

[ABC.2606]

Start clomid again tonight, CD5.

We got a little eager and started BD last night. Thought getting some fun stuff in now might help make it easier around business time ;) So now E4D will be 4,7,10,13,16,19 etc... Gosh I hope my luteal phase sorts itself out this cycle.

Hope everyone has or had a great day!

I have everything crossed for you, emshe :)

[emshe]

I have everything crossed for you, emshe :)

Thanks ABC. Did you ask about the metformin?

[ABC.2606]

Thanks ABC. Did you ask about the metformin?

No I haven't talked to my RE since the appt last week. Still haven't heard any of the results from the blood tests she ordered. I found out she tested me for 9 different things (blood clotting disorders, genetic defects, chromosome issues). I will ask her about the metformin, as well as CO-Q10. Have you been told anything about CO-Q10 for egg quality?

[Pbn3]

Abc I took coq10 for awhile but it's really expensive in the amounts/dose it needs to be taken to be effective and my ob was sceptical of it making any difference... apparently ubiquinol is best but I couldn't source it as its own thing in Australia when I looked into it...

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[emshe]

No I haven't talked to my RE since the appt last week. Still haven't heard any of the results from the blood tests she ordered. I found out she tested me for 9 different things (blood clotting disorders, genetic defects, chromosome issues). I will ask her about the metformin, as well as CO-Q10. Have you been told anything about CO-Q10 for egg quality?

Its good that they are being so thorough. I really hope they manage to get you sorted, you so deserve a happy sticky BFP. Yes HRC also has their patients take coQ10 about 600-800 from memory but Id ask specifics on dosage as Im a little vague, like Pbn said ubiquinol is best. Very expensive but more easily absorbed by the body. Hubby took a much smaller dose during HT too, I think I gave him 250 a day.

[ABC.2606]

Thanks Pbn and emshe. I took 100 mg of coq10 (ubiquinol) per day between my 2nd m/c and 3rd BFP (so for about 5 weeks). When things looked good at the beginning of the last pregnancy I wondered if the coq10 had helped. Probably didn't, and as we know, things turned out bad anyways. I also don't know if it's a good idea for me as atomic thinks it may make the blood a little more "clotty", and since it seems that the issue that the docs most suspect is going on with me is something related to blood clotting, it may not be a good idea. I don't know - just something to ask the doc about. Meant to do it last week at my appt but I forgot.

[Pbn3]

Abc I wouldn't think 100mg would have made much difference as the recommended dose for improving egg quality (supposedly) is a minimum of 450mg I thought. Like emshe said I think 600mg is the standard base recommendation. You need to find a high dose one, that carries at least 150mg per pill. Just means taking 3-4 a day if you cant get one higher than that.....

DS 2012 [emoji170] DS 2014 [emoji170]
After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]

[Verena]

ABC I'm sorry you're having such a hard time. I think it's normal and healthy to take your time to grieve so that truely happy days can come soon again [emoji173]️ glad to hear your beta is going down on its own. Hoping for some clear test results for you this week and something easy to solve.

Good luck emshe for this cycle! When did you o last cycle?

I'm 9 dpo and my tests are driving me crazy. I'm not sure if I see something as long as they are still wet. When they get dry I don't see anything anymore. Never had that before... I guess I just have to wait for the line (if there is one) to get darker to be sure. I wish time would move a little faster the next two or three days...

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[emshe]

ABC I'm sorry you're having such a hard time. I think it's normal and healthy to take your time to grieve so that truely happy days can come soon again [emoji173]️ glad to hear your beta is going down on its own. Hoping for some clear test results for you this week and something easy to solve.

Good luck emshe for this cycle! When did you o last cycle?

I'm 9 dpo and my tests are driving me crazy. I'm not sure if I see something as long as they are still wet. When they get dry I don't see anything anymore. Never had that before... I guess I just have to wait for the line (if there is one) to get darker to be sure. I wish time would move a little faster the next two or three days...

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I hope you see a line soon! I will keep everything crossed. I think I o'd on CD16. I think, agh! My temping is out as my body clock is out. So annoying!

[Noemi2017]

Hello Pbn, yess my chart is really confusing because 25 March was time change so i woke up 1 hour sooner and 27 march i had fever. I am sure my ovulation was 24 March cd21. What do u think? 39112

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[Parying4agirl]

Anyone else on their TwW... mines seems to be lasting a lifetime....

[ABC.2606]

Verena - remind me, what kind of tests are you using? Hopefully tomorrow will be your BFP! (You'll be 10 dpo yea?)

Noemi - looks like you are 5 dpo! Just a few more days until testing!

Parying4agirl - how many DPO are you?

Pbn - Oh, so yea I guess my 100 mg of coq10 wouldn't have been doing much then :) I will try to ask the doc about it. If it's going to help I'll take it - it's pretty widely available here in the US even in the ubiquinol form. But like you said it may not even help much, I don't think atomic thinks it does that much either.

[Girlswaylondon]

Noemi that’s why I love e4d you’re pretty much always covered! Good luck! :)

[Parying4agirl]

ABC got my positive opk last tues so does that make me 7dpo?

[ABC.2606]

ABC got my positive opk last tues so does that make me 7dpo?

Well it depends on when you actually ovulated. With a positive OPK you can O anywhere from the day of the +OPK to a few days after it. Are you charting?

[Noemi2017]

Yess i did e4d this month:):)

[Parying4agirl]

No i cant chart - up 100 times with my 2 boys throughout the night

[Noemi2017]

Abc im pretty sure im 3dpo. Coq10 is good for egg quality? Maybe i should try it too.

[emshe]

Hello Pbn, yess my chart is really confusing because 25 March was time change so i woke up 1 hour sooner and 27 march i had fever. I am sure my ovulation was 24 March cd21. What do u think? 39112

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[emshe]

Anyone else on their TwW... mines seems to be lasting a lifetime....

Good luck!


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[emshe]

Ok ladies, atomic suggests maybe adding in more attempts if it’s my last time ttc.

Would you? Should I? When would I?

I’m leaning no, in case I change my mind. I think for me the mental block is the damn Chinese gender chart. After our first attempt at positive opk cycle gone I couldn’t sleep and grabbed my phone, opened Facebook & there it was FIRST thing in my feed & reads that March & April at my age are girl months! I thought what a sign...
Fluke, probably, but seeing that right at that moment straight up it’s just got me.


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[Pbn3]

Noemi I agree 100% with cd21 being o day and I don't see any other day as a possible contender [emoji4] Yay for being in the 2ww and your attempt timing is fantastic!!!!

Hi and welcome Parying4girl! Like Abc said, its impossible to say for sure when you ovulated without temping but general rule of thumb is day after pos opk. So if pos opk was Tuesday, then you'd 'assume' o was Wednesday so Thursday would be 1dpo [emoji4] Just keep in mind when testing though that you may be a day or so out so a bfn at *10dpo* (if you stsrt testing then) means nothing as you as you may only be 9dpo or even 8dpo. Did you have one attempt on Tuesday?

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[emshe]

Just to add, I’m stupid I know! Please have a laugh over me, it would make me feel good to know I have someone a belly laugh today ;)




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[Pbn3]

Emshe I would stick with e4d (72 hour version) for this cycle because you are unsure and I think you'd be second guessing your decision the entire 2ww if you added attempts. Clomid will still be in your system next cycle so why not make this cycle your last 'one attempt' cycle and make next cycle possibly your last ttc cycle and go hell for leather [emoji12] Or tell yourself you'll do smep next cycle if this one is a bfn. Thats my thoughts on it anyway [emoji173]

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[ABC.2606]

Emshe - That's not stupid :) I think most of us on here swaying get hung up on little, silly things!! I have!! As far as the Chinese gender chart, I don't think I've found one version of it (and you'll notice that various versions give various results) that has been right for both of my boys - they've all been right for one of them, wrong for the other, or wrong for both LOL!!

I saw atomic's post to you and didn't respond but I kinda agreed with what she was telling you. IF you for sure think this is your last month trying, it may be worth throwing in extra attempts to up your chances of conceiving. It seems to me that you're basically doing a perfect fertility diet, you're exercising (I think?), you're on metformin and clomid - so you've already got a LOT going for you already in terms of your girl sway!!! There have been a few girls I've seen from here lately (Mommy2Apples being one of them) who had more than 1 attempt to up conception odds and still got girls. But - it's up to you! And if you are thinking you may keep trying after this month, maybe you could do E4D this time and then add in extra attempts next time? Are you doing anything else that may cut the odds of conception (J&D, rephresh, antihistamines, etc.)?

[Parying4agirl]

Hiya - yes i did one attempt on tuesday, previous to thAt hubby was releasing only.
I dont think i will test till about 15 days from the day i got my positive opk cos last month i got abit excited and started testing early, only for AF to come a few days later.

[emshe]

Emshe - That's not stupid [emoji4] I think most of us on here swaying get hung up on little, silly things!! I have!! As far as the Chinese gender chart, I don't think I've found one version of it (and you'll notice that various versions give various results) that has been right for both of my boys - they've all been right for one of them, wrong for the other, or wrong for both LOL!!

I saw atomic's post to you and didn't respond but I kinda agreed with what she was telling you. IF you for sure think this is your last month trying, it may be worth throwing in extra attempts to up your chances of conceiving. It seems to me that you're basically doing a perfect fertility diet, you're exercising (I think?), you're on metformin and clomid - so you've already got a LOT going for you already in terms of your girl sway!!! There have been a few girls I've seen from here lately (Mommy2Apples being one of them) who had more than 1 attempt to up conception odds and still got girls. But - it's up to you! And if you are thinking you may keep trying after this month, maybe you could do E4D this time and then add in extra attempts next time? Are you doing anything else that may cut the odds of conception (J&D, rephresh, antihistamines, etc.)?

Oh! Good to know others have gotten their girls with more than one attempt. And thanks for understanding me & my quirky mind!

Yes I am exercising, doing diet, metformin, Clomid, coffee, hubby ole. So I guess when you look at it like that I am doing a lot of girl things & then the one attempt just becomes one little piece of the puzzle.

Not doing anything else to cut odds. So yeah maybe we should just go for it! Agh... who knows. Flip a coin???


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[ABC.2606]

Oh! Good to know others have gotten their girls with more than one attempt. And thanks for understanding me & my quirky mind!

Yes I am exercising, doing diet, metformin, Clomid, coffee, hubby ole. So I guess when you look at it like that I am doing a lot of girl things & then the one attempt just becomes one little piece of the puzzle.

Not doing anything else to cut odds. So yeah maybe we should just go for it! Agh... who knows. Flip a coin???


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It's a tough decision, I know!! With each of the months we tried to conceive/ got pregnant I remember having moments of confusion over how exactly to time our attempt, if we needed to add another attempt, if I was going to O in time for our attempt to be good, etc. The "one attempt" aspect of girl swaying I find really hard!! I will say though that this last pregnancy, we ended up with only 1 attempt (we BD-d at +OPK only) and I was really excited about that after getting my BFP (and I have a strong "gut" feeling that baby was a girl). Like Pbn said if you do end up with multiple attempts you need to make sure you'll feel comfortable with that if you do get your BFP and not second guess it too much. Ugh - I don't know it is so hard though to know what to do, I totally get it!! But either way - you still definitely have a great girl sway going on already.

Yea maybe just flip a coin when it comes time, or just try really hard to figure out what your gut is telling you to do and then do that :) :)

[gafan]

AF today, so I am out until next month. Good luck to those still waiting to see about this cycle.

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[Pbn3]

Sorry Gafan, all the best for next cycle [emoji173]

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[emshe]

AF today, so I am out until next month. Good luck to those still waiting to see about this cycle.

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Shame, sorry gafan. Here’s to hoping for next cycle


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[ABC.2606]

Sorry Gafan :(

[Verena]

The line is there, can you see it??? I'm shaking and can't believe it and scared also...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180328/ac67b30da847015ba4e71c88f092b562.jpg

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[Pbn3]

Oooooooh yeah baby!!!!!!! [emoji322][emoji322][emoji322][emoji322] woohoo Verena!!!! Congratulations!! Cant wait to see it darken!! You have to post all your tests [emoji3]

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[Verena]

Oooooooh yeah baby!!!!!!! [emoji322][emoji322][emoji322][emoji322] woohoo Verena!!!! Congratulations!! Cant wait to see it darken!! You have to post all your tests [emoji3]

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]Thank you pbn, you are so sweet! [emoji8][emoji2] Will post all of those tests! [emoji6]

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[Girl Dreaming 55]

Yey verena!! I can see it! Congratulations!!

[emshe]

The line is there, can you see it??? I'm shaking and can't believe it and scared also...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180328/ac67b30da847015ba4e71c88f092b562.jpg

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What a delight for you Verena, awesome news

[Noemi2017]

Thx u emshe, i hope for u too:kiss:i dont have big hope i was sick with fever exactly after ovulation.

[Parying4agirl]

I believe feelin a lil rough is good sway??

[Noemi2017]

Emshe i understand u, u look at chinese calendar and me in moon sign in day of ovulation;)

[Noemi2017]

Verena i see fain line, i wish become stronger in few days:pray::fingers:

[hannahptrussell]

Verena!! So exciting. Praying for a sticky bean for you.

I got my crosshairs today. So I’m 3dpo. Nervous but I think I did what I could do for SMEP.
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[ABC.2606]

YAY, congrats Verena!!!!!!

Good luck Hannah!!!!

[Pbn3]

Looks fantastic hannah!! When are you testing?

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[emshe]

Emshe i understand u, u look at chinese calendar and me in moon sign in day of ovulation;)

So good to know! Thank you


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[emshe]

Verena!! So exciting. Praying for a sticky bean for you.

I got my crosshairs today. So I’m 3dpo. Nervous but I think I did what I could do for SMEP.
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Fingers crossed


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[Pbn3]

Verena waiting (im) patiently for your next test pic [emoji102][emoji102][emoji23]

Cant wait to see it!

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[emshe]

Verena waiting (im) patiently for your next test pic [emoji102][emoji102][emoji23]

Cant wait to see it!

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He he, I love this, you’re fabulous Pbn!

Question... my temp was 35.97@3am

And 36.17@5am. Which one would I record, I went with the 3am as This seems to be more body clocks waking time atm. Blerrrrrr




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[hannahptrussell]

Looks fantastic hannah!! When are you testing?

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I think ill test in one week. I have them on hand so I may jump the gun. We shall see.
So I had very interesting CM with pink tinge the day after ovulation. Interesting as in...I really thought I had a yeast infection. But now completely normal. Good sign for fertility?


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[Pbn3]

He he, I love this, you’re fabulous Pbn!

Question... my temp was 35.97@3am

And 36.17@5am. Which one would I record, I went with the 3am as This seems to be more body clocks waking time atm. Blerrrrrr




https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/35220bIf your 5am is your usual temp time and you didn't move much at 3am then go with the 5am one [emoji4]

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[Verena]

Thank you all so much! I still haven't told DH because I'm so scared he will stop ntnp if this turns out not to be a viable pregnancy. Makes me feel like a cheater somehow...

Pbn here is today's test (bottom) compared to yesterday's (top) for you [emoji23] I think it looks a tad darker.


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[Pbn3]

Looks darker to me too Verena! Eeeeeeekk!!! Cant wait to see that line really come in!!

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[hannahptrussell]

Thank you all so much! I still haven't told DH because I'm so scared he will stop ntnp if this turns out not to be a viable pregnancy. Makes me feel like a cheater somehow...

Pbn here is today's test (bottom) compared to yesterday's (top) for you [emoji23] I think it looks a tad darker.


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Verena! I completely understand this. It was so hard for me not to tell but ours ended up not sticking. So I was glad I didn’t. After our last miscarriage, he was DONE. I told him that it’s a lot easier for him to have closure and end on a miscarriage but a TON harder for me. I think he finally understood.


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[ABC.2606]

Exciting, Verena!!!!!

[Girl Dreaming 55]

Verena this is so exciting! Good luck Hannah and everyone else testing soon!!

[Verena]

Verena! I completely understand this. It was so hard for me not to tell but ours ended up not sticking. So I was glad I didn’t. After our last miscarriage, he was DONE. I told him that it’s a lot easier for him to have closure and end on a miscarriage but a TON harder for me. I think he finally understood.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOh no, so you had a second miscarriage that your DH didn't know about and that you had to go through alone? That is my biggest fear. Not that DH was a great help when I was miscarrying. He reacted really cold and didn't seem to be sad at all. But he at least knew why I was sad and took care of the boys a bit more so that I had a bit more time for myself.

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[Verena]

Looks darker to me too Verena! Eeeeeeekk!!! Cant wait to see that line really come in!!

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After 3 losses had DD 2018 [emoji178]Evening test... I think the line is starting to really come in [emoji2]
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[Pbn3]

Looking beautiful [emoji7]

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[kikurose]

So much to catch up on! Verena soooooo exciting. Hannah can't wait to hear- and every one else too.

I finally got cross hairs, but this is very confusing because I'm pretty sure I ovulated the day of my positive OPK, but my temps are weird, right? I THINK I should get my period tomorrow if my LP stays consistent at 11 days from when I think I Oed. Can anyone help me out with these weird temps? Is this normal to have another shift? Could my LH OPK been wrong or is FF just off? Clearly I'm a temping newbie.

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[Parying4agirl]

Is feeling too hot common in tww? I know all symptoms are normal etc but im the type to always feel cold, like duvet and blanket even in summer cos i dont feel the heat but past few days ive been feeling extremley hot!!

[emshe]

Evening test... I think the line is starting to really come in [emoji2]
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Sure is!!!!!


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[hannahptrussell]

Oh no, so you had a second miscarriage that your DH didn't know about and that you had to go through alone? That is my biggest fear. Not that DH was a great help when I was miscarrying. He reacted really cold and didn't seem to be sad at all. But he at least knew why I was sad and took care of the boys a bit more so that I had a bit more time for myself.

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A chemical and miscarriage is a bit different for me. I was bummed but I trust my body that for some reason, it was not a viable egg. The miscarriage was for sure the hardest. He definitely knew about those and did a great job supporting and encouraging during those times.
I see that line progressing and it is beautiful!!!


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[Pbn3]

Kikurose I think either you could be right or ff could be right. Either looks possible to me. You can have multiple surges meaning multiple pos opks in a cycle which is not common but I know of two people personally who would experience two to three occassions of pos opks, proper positives too and days apart with negative ones in between. You did great with continuing your attempts as you're well covered for a later o scenario [emoji3]

So did you not get an attempt in at pos opk?

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[Pbn3]

Parying4girl I have heard of being hot being a symptom! Fx it is and your body isn't playing tricks on you [emoji120]

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[Pbn3]

Verena tic tok guess who's watching the clock [emoji3] [emoji787][emoji102] I do have to go out though so I'll be checking my phone as soon as I get home!!! It has to stay behind on charge otherwise I'd be sitting on it [emoji23] looking forward to seeing your test!

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[Parying4agirl]

Phn3 so hope so. Thanks.
Not feeling much different otherwise. Past months ive convinced myself its happened only for AF to come few days late. Did for a second think i’ll do a preg test but dont want to see an negative again so going to hold old towards late this coming week.

[Verena]

A chemical and miscarriage is a bit different for me. I was bummed but I trust my body that for some reason, it was not a viable egg. The miscarriage was for sure the hardest. He definitely knew about those and did a great job supporting and encouraging during those times.
I see that line progressing and it is beautiful!!!


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHannah I'm so sorry this has happened to you. I can only imagine how bad a "real" miscarriage must be. When I had the chemical my world broke already. I'm glad that at least your DH was very kind.

Really hoping so much that this is your month. How is your cycle going? Could you post another screenshot of your chart (or even better the link to ff)? I think you're getting close to testing time as well?

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[Verena]

Kikurose I honestly couldn't tell when you have ovulated, but I'm no expert... Do you normally o so early as your opk would indicate? Was it you whose husband was not at home for a while so you couldn't get attempts in? If that's the case and you're chart is right saying there was no attempt at pos op, then it would be a good thing if you ovulated later? Fx!!!

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[Verena]

Verena tic tok guess who's watching the clock [emoji3] [emoji787][emoji102] I do have to go out though so I'll be checking my phone as soon as I get home!!! It has to stay behind on charge otherwise I'd be sitting on it [emoji23] looking forward to seeing your test!

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Lol pbn [emoji23][emoji8] My test is actually not as dark as I would like it to be. Yesterday there was no line progression at all and I convinced myself that this was the next chemical. This morning it's at least a tad darker. This waiting game is so nerve-wracking...
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[Pbn3]

That test looks fabulous Verena!! Definate darkening there [emoji7]

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[Girlswaylondon]

Verena think I mentioned before took my tests SO long to darkern on IC! So happy for you!

[Noemi2017]

Hello girlsway, hru? Next week when is your screening?:fingers::heart:

[HGmama]

No clue where i should write this post, but its sway related. Not sure when we will decide to TTC again, but we know we want a second child to hold. Im having a lot of guilt, as if my swaying caused my miscarriage. Did anyone else go through this with their miscarriage? I didnt take prenatal vitamins, but did DHA and folic acid. I have my d&c follow up on Thursday. We'll probably get the go ahead, but i am debating just neither preventing nor tracking or swaying. I was swaying girl and still desperately want a baby girl, but i also don't want to go through another loss.

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[Pbn3]

Awesome April 2ww & TTC thread [emoji120] (http://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63764)

Time for a new thread [emoji3]

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[Pbn3]

No clue where i should write this post, but its sway related. Not sure when we will decide to TTC again, but we know we want a second child to hold. Im having a lot of guilt, as if my swaying caused my miscarriage. Did anyone else go through this with their miscarriage? I didnt take prenatal vitamins, but did DHA and folic acid. I have my d&c follow up on Thursday. We'll probably get the go ahead, but i am debating just neither preventing nor tracking or swaying. I was swaying girl and still desperately want a baby girl, but i also don't want to go through another loss.

Sent from my SM-G955UHgmama I'm so sorry again [emoji22] Swaying does not cause miscarriages, it just means something wasn't quite right and the body would not allow the pregnancy to progress. I know you're looking for a reason and the first place we go looking is at ourselves and what we did to cause this... But it's not your fault [emoji173] I did everything by the book to promote a healthly conception and pregnancy and still had losses. I did everything wrong when I gave up ttc and now my dd is laying next to me...

It is entirely up to you what you do swaying wise, how much you do or dont sway is a very personal decision. Do what you're comfortable with [emoji173] I would suggest at least keeping the one attempt tactic via e4d (every 72 hours) OR have hubby release e4d with or without you (condom with you) prior to your one unprotected attempt. This will keep his swimmers in good health.

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[ABC.2606]

Verena - That's a beautiful line!! Looks much darker than the past few days!!!

HGMama - I'm so, so sorry about your loss. :( I hope you've been able to get some rest. After my D&C, I stayed in bed most of the first few days depressed and crying (thankfully, my inlaws were visiting so they could watch my kids). It's a terrible thing to have to go through. I know how you feel as far as wondering if swaying contributed to the m/c - I've had a lot of that guilt specifically, especially after my 2nd miscarriage in December. After that one I was convinced swaying had caused it. I even had family members telling me that maybe all my weight loss was the cause (I asked my RE about this and she said definitely not). This time around I felt even more guilt but it wasn't so much about swaying - it was more about if I did something after getting pregnant that caused the miscarriage. But moral of the story, I think guilt is a very natural instinct/emotion after miscarriages. I've been reading a lot about miscarriage in the past few weeks and I see that theme repeatedly - that women usually feel guilty, they blame themselves for all kinds of things that must have "caused" the miscarriage, when it really is nothing that they did. So I think what you're feeling is normal - and it's not exclusive to women who sway.

I don't think, like Pbn said, that swaying causes miscarriages... but here's a few things I'd throw out there as you're thinking through this. One - were you doing the "atomic fertility"/LE PCOS version of the diet? Because I think that's actually a very healthy diet - you're supposed to eat a lot of fruits/veggies, whole grains, no/little white flour/sugar, as well as 4-6 eggs per week, salmon or beef once per week, and you can have small amounts of other meat like chicken. The protein and fat limits are a little higher too. If you weren't doing that version of the diet before and are feeling concerned about the effects of swaying maybe you could try that version? As far as it swaying, Atomic actually thinks it's more effective than the regular LE diet. Also, I have read articles about caffeine and alcohol pre-conception contributing to m/c risk. I know lots and lots of women on here are consuming a lot of caffeine and daily alcohol and do just fine but it is something I've decided to be more careful about. I have switched entirely to decaf coffee (naturally processed/swiss water processed, so it doesn't have all the chemicals of normal decaf) - both because of my m/c's and because I have an underlying health condition that's aggravated by caffeine. So while I'm still doing 3-4 cups of coffee per day for my sway, I get almost no caffeine per day (and yes I'm more tired lately LOL!). And I still think the decaf is probably helping my sway. I still drink a fair amount of wine but I'm thinking as we get closer to trying again (if we do, and if so it wont be for at least another month), I'm probably going to cut this back and limit it to a glass of red every couple of days or so. And as far as exercise, if anything I think that's a very healthy habit pre-conception, especially as for swaying you're supposed to do moderate cardio (60 minutes), not some crazy high intensity exercise. And one attempt or E4D, especially if DH is releasing regularly (not abstaining) is definitely a good tactic still and not in any way risky.

Also - I would ask atomic about this - but after my 1st or 2nd m/c (I honestly can't remember) she recommended taking zinc 3x/week, iron I think 3x/week, and a low dose of vitamin D and B12 twice a week. She also had me up my folate intake (not folic acid, specifically folate) from 1,600 mcg per day to 2,400. Again - I'd ask her about any supplement recommendations but that's what she told me.

Anyways - hope that's helpful. It's tough I know. After 3 m/c, I'm now undergoing all the testing for "recurrent pregnancy loss" and that's very stressful as well. Remember you're not alone - so many on here have had such difficult journeys trying to conceive and stay pregnant and we're all here for support whenever you need!!!

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Hello girlsway, hru? Next week when is your screening?:fingers::heart:

Hey Noemi I’m really well thank you! Still have nausea and exhaustion but my dating scan is next Wednesday finally! :)

I’ve been stalking your chart can’t wait for you to test!

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Missed a lot of posts with yesterday’s husband versus fire stick plant drama!

Will have to catch up


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Lol pbn [emoji23][emoji8] My test is actually not as dark as I would like it to be. Yesterday there was no line progression at all and I convinced myself that this was the next chemical. This morning it's at least a tad darker. This waiting game is so nerve-wracking...
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Hgmama I am so sorry. We are all here for you, take your time to heal & be gentle with yourself.


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Something I’ve been meaning to ask, do you change to a new handle with the Clearblue dual each cycle. I hadn’t and after reading about how it works with remembering previous levels to determine rise I think maybe I should. I do have a new one...

Btw, I’m having a spelt hot cross bun tonight as my “3rd meal” is that terrible?!
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No clue where i should write this post, but its sway related. Not sure when we will decide to TTC again, but we know we want a second child to hold. Im having a lot of guilt, as if my swaying caused my miscarriage. Did anyone else go through this with their miscarriage? I didnt take prenatal vitamins, but did DHA and folic acid. I have my d&c follow up on Thursday. We'll probably get the go ahead, but i am debating just neither preventing nor tracking or swaying. I was swaying girl and still desperately want a baby girl, but i also don't want to go through another loss.

Sent from my SM-G955UHGmama, I am sorry for your loss. I had a miscarriage a few months ago (not during a sway) and know how intense the sadness can be. Take good care.

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HGmama, I also agree with above comments about guilt. I continue to wonder if I caused it every time I see a new headline (this week it was -maybe i shouldn't have gotten a flu shot on the first trimester....). My doctor said it was likely genes unfolding wrong, nothing I could have done. Guilty feelings are normal but thus wasn't your fault.

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Abc- decaf might still help to sway? I am also considering decreasung caffeine and wine. Might decaf be better than no coffee?

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Abc- decaf might still help to sway? I am also considering decreasung caffeine and wine. Might decaf be better than no coffee?

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I don't think atomic knows for sure what in coffee sways but I've seen her say several times that it may not be the caffeine but some ingredient in coffee itself that sways, amd that's what I've seen when I've googled coffee and blood sugar. And soda with caffeine doesn't sway. Plus I've actually read caffeine can be bad for blood sugar levels and people with pcos. So I'm inclined to think decaf still helps. :) :)

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Something I’ve been meaning to ask, do you change to a new handle with the Clearblue dual each cycle. I hadn’t and after reading about how it works with remembering previous levels to determine rise I think maybe I should. I do have a new one...

Btw, I’m having a spelt hot cross bun tonight as my “3rd meal” is that terrible?!
Need something for Easter when the lovely bunny visited everyone but me [emoji6]


https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/35220bEmshe no need to change tester heads but if you have a new one you may as well use it. Keep the old one though as a back up. The tester head resets itself after 48 hours from previous solid smiley and will begin a new cycle when the first test cartridge is inserted

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I don't think atomic knows for sure what in coffee sways but I've seen her say several times that it may not be the caffeine but some ingredient in coffee itself that sways, amd that's what I've seen when I've googled coffee and blood sugar. And soda with caffeine doesn't sway. Plus I've actually read caffeine can be bad for blood sugar levels and people with pcos. So I'm inclined to think decaf still helps. :) :)Thanks!! And thanks for mentioning about the water processing.

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