Pink Sway Soon!

[pinkdust80]

Hi! I'm so grateful to have found you all. What an amazing resource!

I'm hoping to sway pink soon and feeling a little overwhelmed. I'll probably want to do a personalized sway plan (I already got the 21-day meal plan and girl sway bundle under a different username where I lurked before), but I'd love some guidance now around where to start.

About me:

I'm 39 and have two beautiful boys, ages 5 and 2. I'm still BFing the 2yo but (just at bedtime and not every night), and I'm pretty sure he's not getting much milk anymore in case that matters.

I get pregnant super easily (so far).

I had a missed m/c in between my kids, and genetic testing said it was a healthy girl (but could have been my DNA, so not totally sure about that).

I have Hashimoto's (autoimmune hypothyroidism, which we think is what caused the m/c since it was undiagnosed at the time) and am on thyroid hormone replacement. I also take low-dose naltrexone (for the autoimmune component).

I'm also on a lot of supplements because I'm working with a functional medicine provider. Not sure I *need* all of them? They include: vitamin D, probiotics, magnesium, multivitamin, CoQ10, zinc, holy basil, and alpha lipoic acid. I can wean off supplements if needed.

I drink one cup of coffee each morning (did when I got my boys too). I drink wine most nights (same as when I got my boys).

I eat pretty well (not a lot of processed foods and sugar) but lean kind of paleo, which I know is almost opposite of LE (in that most people eating paleo consume a fair amount of meat), so I'm anxious about the LE diet but open to it for sure. I probably shouldn't have gluten or even really grains given the Hashi's. So given all that, I think I just need some guidance on how to make LE work for me.

I walk about an hour most days of the week and do yoga but want to get back into running. I also do rebounding some mornings. I can add exercise easily as I love it.

I could ask my doctor about chlomid but am anxious she won't do it because I have always been really fertile. And I worry a little given my Hashi's about whether it's okay for me?

I have Vitex but haven't taken it since I wasn't sure if it actually sways pink or not.

I'm hoping my age will sway; I'm otherwise a little anxious about being so close to 40.

Any tips on where to start? THANKS!!

[pinkdust80]

Also, one other question: Do we need to stay between 1500-1800 calories *net* (so accounting for calories burned through exercise), or do we need to consume 1500-1800 calories *total*?

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome! So sorry to hear of your loss. :heart:

Breastfeeding sways pink, and since breastfeeding is a hormonal state it sways even if you're not doing it much.

I'm sure you're well aware of this already but thyroid meds should be continued, do not wean back off them (some people assume this will help their sway, but you need it to get and stay pregnant.) I would talk to your doc about the naltrexone to see if it's safe to continue when TTC.

Absolutely wean off the holy basil. I would have you wean off the other nutrient supps too or else reduce dose to 3x a week if you prefer that. Nutrients, particularly in supplemental form tend to sway blue.

What dose Coq1 are you on?? We might have you continue with that.

Why do they have you taking zinc AND a multivitamin?? If the multivitamin has zinc already you should not be taking them together (so after you're pregnant please don't start both of them up again.)

What multivitamin do they have you on? Some multivitamins have ingredients in them that I find harmful even when pregnant so if they have you on one of those I would try to advise something different

I would have you on the alternate form of LE Diet (probably the atomic fertility diet, in a gluten free form) and you can find that here in this thread, 5 from the top. https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/9052-swaying-under-special-circumstances-part-3-pcos.html Focus more on starchy veg for your carbs like potato and sweet potato, rice is another ok option. Totally fine to go wheat free (and we actually have great results with gluten free diets.)

As far as I know Clomid is ok for people with Hashimotos. You're probably right that they won't give it to you if you get pregnant easily though.

NO vitex. The results have been very poor and we've had dreadful results with it for those over 35 - lots of women just not getting pregnant at all while using it.

I would strongly suggest exercise and actually walking is fine...many times when people try to include running, they quickly get injured. WAlking is more sustainable and does still help your sway.

Don't be nervous! We have good results for conception at 40 with women who have proven fertility.

1500-1800 cals total, although since you're nursing you may want to start off more like 1800-2000, 50-60 g protein and fat (you will need to be at 50-60 g protein and fat not counting the pro and fat in fruit and veg anyway as that's part of the alternate diet anyway). I don't want you calculating the amount of cals you burn via exercise. Being very detail oriented and tracking lots of things (like cals you burned) may sway blue!

[pinkdust80]

Thank you so much for your helpful and thorough reply!

I will definitely stay on my thyroid meds and will talk with my doctor about LDN and its safety when TTC and pregnant.

I'm on 200mg CoQ10.

The multi I'm on is by Better By Dr. Brooke, and it's formulated for women with IR and PCOS (or who just want to support hormonal balance -- which is the category I fit into since I don't have PCOS or IR). Here's the link in case it's helpful: https://betterbydrbrooke.com/product/balanced-beautiful/

I'm on the zinc in addition to the multi because I was low in zinc before; I'm not sure that's still the case, but I think I lean that way due to thyroid and adrenal issues.

I'll ask about Chlomid and see what she says; my doctor is great about being open to things, but this one I'm not sure about since I probably don't need it? We shall see.

I'll definitely keep BFing since he's not ready to stop anyway. Glad to hear it sways even if I'm not doing it much. I was nursing when I conceived DS2, but I'm sure I was doing a lot of other blue things.

I ordered fiber and folate (I don't think I need it as my MTHFR test came back normal, but I feel like it's better to be safe since both of my kids had tongue ties and one had a (harmless) sacral dimple).

Another question: How important is it to avoid female O? I'm not good at that, lol. And does it just apply to the attempt, or in general around the attempt?

I'm so glad that to hear my age shouldn't be an issue! And I think the Atomic Fertility Diet seems really doable. My biggest issue will be eggs as I eat 2-3 daily right now for breakfast, so I'll need to play with that. I try and do a 12-hour fast between my last meal or snack and breakfast, which often puts me eating at 9 or 10am. I am working on stopping that bedtime snack, but I worry about hunger at bedtime. Any thoughts on eating schedule and how to make it work? Thanks!

[pinkdust80]

Oh, and one other question: I love vinyasa yoga and do it probably twice a week. It's a power style, but we also meditate at the end, and I meditate daily now (didn't when I got my boys). As long as I do the yoga in addition to my 60 minutes of cardio 6-7 times a week, am I good for my sway? Thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

I can't recommend those vitamins as they have massive doses in them. We have seen that time after time causing a lot of trouble for people at those doses and the zinc in there is already double of what the daily value (so it makes me very nervous that you're taking more on top of that.) Plus they likely sway blue. I would def. have you wean off them or at the least cut back to 3x a week.

If you were open to it, you could take inositol alone (inositol is in your vitamin and is likely the only thing that is actually helping to lower your blood sugar). I'd have you take 1000 daily in the follicular phase (AF-O) and either 500 mg or 1000 every other day in the luteal phase (O-AF) . At BFP gradually wean off by spacing doses further and futher out till down to one per week.

:agree: there's never anything wrong about doing folate instead, if you can afford it. It's my preference anyway.

RE female O - we've done quite a few polls and threads on that and there are many moms of all girls who have them, a few moms of boys who don't, but overall there's a trend in the direction of the boy couples being more sexual overall. The catch is it very well may be that the sexuality is due to boy friendly hormones rather than (as people assume) that it's sex/orgasm that actively CAUSES boys to be conceived. The truth is we just don't know. I had one when I got my girl. According to the old school swayers you were meant to avoid O for months on end, but I think that's ridiculous (especially since it isn't even proven). I would use your own discretion on this.

I have a funny, not safe for work and generally in bad taste essay on the subject here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-general-discussion/27912-o-no-orgasms-swaying.html

Eggs - as long as you're in limits eggs are not really a dealbreaker. I often have people eat 4-6 eggs a week to keep them ovulating at lower weights and we get girls doing that. You don't need to give them up totally, just keep within limits. There are some people out there who ascribe to this wacky theory of swaying where they are having people eat a dozen eggs a day, and that's why there's a warning about eggs. But in limits they're allowed.

Most of us have found it's easier to pospone breakfast than go to bed hungry. I always had 3 meals (both 2 and 3 are allowed on LE Diet) one about 10-11 am, again at maybe 5 pm, and then a bedtime snack when I got my girl. I don't want to see you miserable not able to fall asleep so I'd have you continue with a 3rd meal.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh, and one other question: I love vinyasa yoga and do it probably twice a week. It's a power style, but we also meditate at the end, and I meditate daily now (didn't when I got my boys). As long as I do the yoga in addition to my 60 minutes of cardio 6-7 times a week, am I good for my sway? Thanks!

If you're doing the other cardio and have lost at least a little weight on a low protein diet, that is fine.

[pinkdust80]

Okay, thanks! That is all really helpful. A few things:

I'm totally okay taking inositol in its own; I did that before I found a vitamin that had it included.

What about selenium? I was taking 200mg a day for a long time to manage thyroid antibodies, and I don't want those to go up.

What about iron every other day with a meal? I can tell when I'm low on it and so will only use then.

I'm finding myself needing to eat 4x a day instead of 3 -- is that okay (particularly while BFing)? I'm able to do a 12-13 hour fast no problem, but I'm just needing that extra meal. I'm keeping calories between 1800-2000 and hitting upper limits of fat / protein, getting between 60-70 grams a day.

Exercise is going great. I'm getting 60 minutes, sometimes more, of cardio daily. Plus lots of additional activity just doing normal daily tasks (like keeping up with my kids!). I've lost a pound already, in the few days I've been really doing this.

I'm also wondering -- I got a positive OPK this month at CD 13, and now on CD 17, I'm seeing brown spotting. I usually spot a little for over a week before AF (this is why my doc wanted me to do Vitex, but I haven't and won't given what I've read here), and it was previously (I thought) because of the mini pill, but is that a reason to worry?

Lastly, should I take Saw Palmetto?

Thanks!!

[atomic sagebrush]

:agree: I'd def. switch over to inositol alone.

I hope you mean 200 MICROgrams not milligrams. 200 micrograms selenium is still a high dose but 200 milligrams is toxic. I prefer you guys stick to no more than 100% recommended value of everything other than Vit. D (which is proven to probably be too low a recommendation). Beyond that, it's above my pay grade and I have to refer you back to your doctor, sorry.

4x a day is still very different than the all-day grazing a lot of us with all boys do. That's what I have people do when they can't stick to the diet, is add another meal.

Iron is fine when you need it. I often have people take iron supplements 3x a week as a maintenance dose if they tend to get low in it.

It's not at all unusual when nursing. Just be sure you're getting enough fat.

Please do not take vitex or saw palmetto as they generally make things like this way worse like throwing gas on a fire.

[pinkdust80]

Thanks! And yes, I meant mcg. Sorry -- 200 mcg selenium. Will that sway blue?

I'll avoid SP and Vitex.

Do you know if the spotting before AF a sign of decreased fertility? I've mentioned it to my doc and will follow up but wondering what you tend to see here.

Thank you so much for all your time and advice!!

PS -- If I want to purchase a personalized plan, how do I do that?

[atomic sagebrush]

It's not that it will sway blue that concerns me, it's that I don't want you taking anything potentially unsafe.

It can be decreased fertility in the sense that it might be lower hormones but it's the type of thing that may sway pink anyway. Spotting midcycle is actually not that common on this site, but most of the time it's related to birth control pills or breastfeeding.

To purchase a plan, please follow this link and be sure you choose the option with "custom" plan (or personalized). https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/payments.php

[pinkdust80]

I just wanted to check in on progress so far (still not TTC, and it might be a little while due to the pandemic and related concerns), but I wanted to make sure I'm on the right track. Maybe more time before TTC is even better so I can keep doing all this new stuff?

I'm exercising 60 consecutive minutes most days. It's never *super* intense (usually just walking) but definitely cardio (HR 115+).

Diet-wise I *think* I'm following the LE fertility diet (due to age) well enough? I eat eggs daily because I love them. I probably come in at 70g protein most days, which is a bit higher than recommended, but I'm still nursing my littlest (once a day -- prob no real milk) and can't seem to go below that easily. I'm at 2,000 calories or fewer every day and delaying breakfast (9:30/10am) or skipping it all together with at LEAST a 12-hour fast daily.

Stress-wise, I've been very stressed lately with kids at home and home-schooling and working and DH working and no childcare due to the pandemic, so I feel like cortisol levels are high. That sways blue, right? Is there anything I can take or do to combat this?

I've lost 10 pounds and still steadily losing; I think I can lose about 5-10 more without BMI getting too low.

I'm drinking alcohol (1-2 drinks) most days.

I've stopped most vitamins but am still taking myo-inositol, folate, and zinc (was low in it before via blood results). I feel like I'm needing to add my probiotic back in due to GI symptoms returning but don't want to do so if it will sway blue. What about pre-biotics and/or collagen for GI support -- do those sway?

I think that's everything -- thanks SO much for all you do and for your very helpful responses!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes that's fine as long as you're careful not to cut back too far.

So are you also getting 50-60 g fat a day, eating full fat dairy only (No skim) and focusing on whole grains only, no white refined grains, and as little sugar as you can stand? If so, keep it up.

No, that type of uncontrollable stress DOES NOT sway blue. In fact it's been shown in studies to sway pink. It is that control freak, self-induced stress that sways blue.

Just please do the diet and exercise. Don't take anythign to try to "lower cortisol". We don't even know if that is a desirable, or possible thing to do and everything you take has the potential to mess up your cycle, inadvertently sway blue, and also come out in your milk since you're nursing.

Why are you taking myoinositol again? Do you have PCOS?

We don't know how pre-biotics and collagen sway. I would try adding in the probiotics 2x a week and seeing if it helps.

[pinkdust80]

Yes that's fine as long as you're careful not to cut back too far.

So are you also getting 50-60 g fat a day, eating full fat dairy only (No skim) and focusing on whole grains only, no white refined grains, and as little sugar as you can stand? If so, keep it up.

No, that type of uncontrollable stress DOES NOT sway blue. In fact it's been shown in studies to sway pink. It is that control freak, self-induced stress that sways blue.

Just please do the diet and exercise. Don't take anythign to try to "lower cortisol". We don't even know if that is a desirable, or possible thing to do and everything you take has the potential to mess up your cycle, inadvertently sway blue, and also come out in your milk since you're nursing.

Why are you taking myoinositol again? Do you have PCOS?

We don't know how pre-biotics and collagen sway. I would try adding in the probiotics 2x a week and seeing if it helps.

Thanks for the reply! I am definitely getting 50-60g fat daily -- maybe sometimes a little more.

Very glad to hear that uncontrollable stress sways pink -- silver lining, maybe?

Eh, I was eating whole grains (like sprouted grain bread, etc.) but have slipped into whatever we can get at the store lately, which is sometimes white bread. And we do mostly white rice, but my doctor suggested some women actually do better blood-sugar-wise with white rice? We use Basmati at least, which is lower GI. But I've definitely had some refined carbs lately. And sugar (not usually a big sugar eater, but we've had some sweets with Easter, etc.). I will go back to whole grains as best I can though!

Probiotics twice a week has been helpful. I've also taken some magnesium to help with sleep -- hoping that is okay.

I am taking myo-inositol because my doctor had me taking inositol prior -- I don't remember why at the moment, but I'd taken it for a year or so prior to switching to myo per recommendations here. Will that hurt me / my sway if it turns out I don't need it?

I've kept up with exercise well but sleep has suffered lately -- does not getting sleep help or hurt pink sways?

Also, is it bad if DH isn't exercising like usual right now? He is also stressed.

Thanks!!

[pinkdust80]

Just bumping this! Thanks!

[atomic sagebrush]

OH gosh I'm so sorry, I remember my computer crashed one day and I thought I had tracked down the posts I was in the middle of answering, but apparently I missed yours.

Yes I have that option for people too with the white rice because it's often well tolerated. I would try to keep sugar and white flour to a minimum.

Myoinositol would only help a sway, but for some people it may reduce hormone levels too far. I have some concerns given your midcycle spotting that if you don't have PCOS or tendencies that way, the myoinositol could potentially be reducing your hormones to such extent it's causing the spotting.

Not getting enough sleep helps pink sways.

While jogging and biking for hubby does tend to sway pink, right now we're all just doing the best we can and so if he can't exercise right now then it is what it is and focus on the other things you guys are doing. :)

[pinkdust80]

No worries at all -- thank you for your response!!

Good to know about the myoinositol! I will potentially cut that if we TTC with no luck.

Hubby has gotten back to running in the past week, so that's good! But yes, you're right that we're all just doing the best we can right now.

I'll definitely cut the sugar and refined carbs! Quick question: where does alcohol fit into this? I've been drinking too much lately (like 1-3 drinks most days), and I'm planning to cut that a bit (to no more than 1 a day and not every day) just because I don't want to drink that much. But how much alcohol is okay on the AFD given the sugar?

Thanks!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Alcohol is ok on AFD. Unless a person has very severe PCOS (as in, would have to cut out carbs totally), a small amount of alcohol is well-tolerated, especially while making the other lower-carb changes on the LE Diet. Alcohol can actually lower blood sugar even though it briefly makes it rise after ingesting it too. 1 drink a day is fine and what many of us have done.

[pinkdust80]

Okay, awesome. That's super helpful. I've decreased to 1 drink per day.

Also, I'm struggling a bit with protein and fat; I always seem to end up eating too much. I'm at probably 70-80g of protein most days, and 70g of fat. Do you think that will hurt my sway? Are there go-to's I can eat for my first meal of the day (that's where I usually struggle and end up eating eggs or full fat yogurt) that will be good bang-for-buck calorically but not high in protein or fat -- and still compatible with AFD / not bad for blood sugar?

Lastly, I wanted to clarify -- since I don't have known PCOS or blood sugar issues and haven't been TTC for a long time, I should be on AFD anyway, due to AMA (39)? I think that's what you'd initially recommended, but then when I went back and read the thread it sounded like I should only do AFD if I was AMA *and* had been TTC a long time, had PCOS, and struggled with blood sugar. Thanks in advance for clarifying!!

Thanks again for all of your help!!

[atomic sagebrush]

We've gotten such good results with the alternate diets that I want EVERYONE who may benefit from them to be on them.

Sorry if you told me this already, but are you counting the protein and fat in fruits and vegetables?? In most cases when people can't stay in the upper limits it's because they are counting protein and fat in fruit and veg.

I would be inclined to stick with the egss/yogurt if those are helpful and find places in other meals for cutting back. But fruit is always a good option, though it doesn't stick to your ribs. Nuts could also be good.
But if you really can't, you can't. I would try aiming at a compromise number, more like 65 g or 70 instead of 80.

[pinkdust80]

Okay, that is helpful re: AFD. Thanks!

I'm using my FitBit app to count fat and protein, so I guess I am including the protein in all except the "free" low-carb veggies? I'm not sure how much that would contribute, though.

I love nuts and will try those -- but I find them to be high in protein too. I think it's harder because I'm moving a lot -- getting 17-20,000 steps most days and doing 60+ minutes of cardio daily.

I will try getting to the compromise number! Thanks!!

[atomic sagebrush]

I would take a moment and actually take a look at that. The government dictates that many things be listed as 1 g protein or 1 g fat, and the tracking companies do that as well, when in reality they have absolutely NONE. So it is entirely possible you're counting 5-10 g protein and fat every day that is not real, in that it isn't used by your body. That's why we don't count those fruit and veg proteins - they just don't amount to anything tangible in our bodies for our fertility. A person eating 60 g "fat" in broccoli would immediately stop ovulating and 60 g "protein" in broccoli would make your muscles shrink to nothing. It's just this stupid quirk of bureaucracies that make the numbers meaningless.

My point about the nuts is this - if you're eating something that was mostly protein without much fat or calories (for example, egg whites or chicken breast) by switching to something that has fat, calories AND protein all in the same food, you can end up getting more bang for your buck that way. So yes, in order to have some nuts, you'd need to eat less of other things at the same time, but it can actually make your life much easier. Rather than having protein from something,and fat from something else, and then still possibly needing calories too, you kill all the birds with the one stone and then you'd not eat some other thing instead, if that makes sense.

[atomic sagebrush]

And with that much exercise you may need the additional fat/protein anyway (even though I believe it's higher than it really is)

[pinkdust80]

Yes, that makes perfect sense! Thank you!

[pinkdust80]

Well, I just found out I'm pregnant! We were not trying yet, so it's definitely a surprise. I just hope I did enough in my prep over the past 5 months for pink!!

I was awesome about 60 minutes of cardio daily. We only had what would've been one attempt (w/ j&d because I usually do that), I'm still BFing my toddler once a day, and I kept below 2,000 calories while skipping bfast / doing at least a 12-hour fast nightly. I lost 15 pounds and am 10-15 pounds my lowest conception weight and close to lowest adult weight (BMI went from 24 to 22). I also took myoinositol. And life has been stressful with the pandemic. Coffee and alcohol daily.

I'm nervous because I feel like I ate too much protein and fat as I had eggs daily and was often at top of ranges or a little higher for AFD.

So here's hoping for a healthy LO and pink!!! I'll update as I know more.

[polaris.kai]

Well, I just found out I'm pregnant! We were not trying yet, so it's definitely a surprise. I just hope I did enough in my prep over the past 5 months for pink!!

I was awesome about 60 minutes of cardio daily. We only had what would've been one attempt, I'm still BFing my toddler once a day, and I kept below 2,000 calories while skipping bfast / doing at least a 12-hour fast nightly. I lost 15 pounds and am 10-15 pounds my lowest conception weight. I also took myoinositol. And life has been stressful with the pandemic. Coffee and alcohol daily.

I'm nervous because I feel like I ate too much protein and fat as I had eggs daily and was often at top of ranges or a little higher for AFD.

So here's hoping for a healthy LO and pink!!! I'll update as I know more.That sounds great for pink. You can have ALL my pink dust!! Fingers crossed for you

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[atomic sagebrush]

Hey, I think that was a good sway, I would feel positive about this!! Good luck and pink dust headed your way.

[hopeforpinkbaby]

Congratulations! And i hope u get your baby girl!

[pinkdust80]

Thanks, everyone!! Atomic, thank you for the wonderful advice throughout this journey! I'll keep you all posted!

[pinkdust80]

Hi all! So an early u/s at 6w3d shows a healthy baby with a strong HB!

I wanted to get some thoughts on the fact, though, that they found a second sac (they were hesitant to call it a vanishing twin since there was no evidence of baby, and they noted it "could just be fluid"?). I'm wondering if this could (if it WAS a VT) affect NIPT results? Docs didn't say anything about this, but do you know if that's true? Anything else I should know about a possible VT? Thanks!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, it may be the case that a vanishing twin can affect the NIPT results so just be sure to mention that and they'll help explain the results to you taking that into consideration. If the test shows no male DNA then you're having a girl regardless. It's only if it comes back with male DNA that things may end up being more confusing.

[pinkdust80]

Okay, good to know! So I'll ask at my next appointment whether they think results with be accurate. If a VT was male, and therefore the Y chromosome was present, would it give a good fetal DNA ratio? I'll definitely have them help me interpret the results! Thanks!

Also, and I *know* the answer but it helps to hear it. I'm super nauseated like I was with my first son and probably closer to throwing up (bad gag reflex) than I've been with either of my other pregnancies (didn't ever actually throw up with my boys) -- I just need to hear that symptoms don't predict gender. I know they don't, but then I hear of people who are not sick at all with their girls and I get psyched out. Thanks!!

[atomic sagebrush]

The answer (and I know it sucks) is 'it depends'. Sometimes the baby will go and the placenta stays behind (this actually happened to me personally) and in that case they can still get a lot of DNA from it.

Always happy to help!

[pinkdust80]

So I'm 10 weeks today and getting closer to my NIPT. I just can't stop thinking about that other (empty) sac on my 6 week u/s. We didn't sway for twins (weren't even trying yet when we got pregnant) -- but I can't stop wondering about the sex of the baby (babies) in light of the fact that it was (maybe?) twins / a vanishing twin. How does swaying work when there are mutiples? Does it increase chances of BOTH being girls? And what if the vanished twin was a girl, but the living one is not? I felt pretty good about my sway overall, but now every time I think about it, the twin thing throws me off, if that makes sense. Atomic, any thoughts on swaying and twins, and specifically the odds we may still end up with pink? TIA!

[atomic sagebrush]

We don't know for sure but we believe it ups the chances of GG twins too. But of course the majority of our twins have been BG (since that's twice as likely). What I can say is we have only had a handful of BB twins - way more GG and way more BG.

I can't give you specific odds on the outcome. It is of course possible that the vanishing twin was a girl, and the baby who implanted was a boy, but the reverse is also possible.

[pinkdust80]

Okay, thanks -- that is helpful that it's less likely to be B/B twins based on your experience. I hate even thinking in terms of "which baby didn't make it?" because it's a loss either way, and I *know* I'd love another little boy, and it's so sad to think one maybe didn't make it. But then my mind plays games where I keep thinking, "what are the chances the one who made it is a girl after all?" Ahhh, this would be so much simpler had I not seen that extra sac!

Another random question, but I've got another u/s scheduled at 11w3d -- is it worth asking the tech to guess baby's sex? Or still way too early to even make a guess? With both of my boys, I knew right at 11 weeks because we'd had NIPT done, but with this one, they want me to meet with genetics before getting the blood drawn due to the possible VT situation, so it'll be a minute before we know ... and I'm not even sure if I can trust the results at that point, you know?

Thanks again for your help ... it is SO nice to have a place to ask these questions where people really get it. <3

[atomic sagebrush]

Even without swaying the odds are 75% just from chance that it's either BG or GG. But we've had very few BB twins and quite a lot of BG/GG twins.

Yes 11 weeks is too soon to see anythign on the ultrasound.

[pinkdust80]

Sorry for the million questions about NIPT and possible vanishing twin ... I don't know where else to ask these questions, and you've been SO helpful!

So we spoke with the genetic counselor today, and they're drawing blood for cell-free DNA testing on Monday. We now have to decide whether to go with the usual, chromosome-counting CF-DNA testing OR to do some newer sort of CF-DNA testing called the "Snip" test, or something like that, where she said it can tell if there is more than one set of fetal DNA? She noted that 1) the latter takes longer to come back and 2) it will come back as "invalid" if there's more than one set of DNA (even though she said it can be done for multiples, so I don't get why it would come back invalid other than that they're putting the order in for me as a singleton pregnancy since that's what they saw?). But the regular CF-DNA could, as we've talked about upthread, have false positives (though she says that's rare, even w/ a VT).

So any thoughts on whether to just go for it with the regular CF-DNA test or to do the Snip first? Any experience with the Snip CF-DNA test? Thanks so much for any info you can give!!

[atomic sagebrush]

LOL that was not a million questions at all!!

I honestly have no insight to give, unfortunately. We haven't had anyone else in this particular situation - most people just do the standard test and then wait for the later confirmation by ultrasound if there's any lack of clarity. To be honest I'd probably do whichever one was cheaper, particualrly if it was faster!

[pinkdust80]

Okay, thanks! That's what we're leaning towards; the standard one is both cheaper and faster. I mean, I'm obviously rooting for a "healthy girl" result anyway, so if we do the standard and get that result, we know we're good, and there's no reason for further testing. So I think I'm just gonna put that out in the Universe and go from there! :-)

[pinkdust80]

UPDATE!!!!! Got my NIPT results back, and baby is healthy, and IT'S A GIRL!!!!!!!!! I'm so freaking excited I don't know what to do with myself!! Thanks SO much for the amazing advice and support along this journey!!

[atomic sagebrush]

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Hugest congrats pd!!! So thrilled for you!