Better to wait postpartum?

[Pretty]

Hi again! I have found the left/right ovary sex ratio breakdown fascinating, and after rereading a pretty well done study I’m wondering if it may be best to get a few cycles under my belt before TTC and wanted to get your thoughts. Here is a link to the summary of the study that illustrates my concerns pretty well

https://www.eshre.eu/-/media/sitecore-files/SIGs/Embryology/Archive/Potsdam-2009/Fukuda.pdf?la=en&hash=B982DD306262C61E676E4091275166C3C8606A16

[Pretty]

Particularly slide 8

[Pretty]

Honestly, reading that was like a gut punch... I knew of the study from my last sway, but only just realized it notes lactational annovulation

[polaris.kai]

Well I'm fucked. I dont have anything that indicates which side I ovulate from like some women do

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[Pretty]

I think I saw you’re swaying blue and still don’t have a cycle, if you get get going ASAP you should be golden! To be fair, most people don’t know and I think it tends to even out over time.

[polaris.kai]

I think I saw you’re swaying blue and still don’t have a cycle, if you get get going ASAP you should be golden! To be fair, most people don’t know and I think it tends to even out over time.Thanks! Babies close together sways pink for me so we have to wait for a longer gap before baby #3 :(

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[atomic sagebrush]

Well I'm fucked. I dont have anything that indicates which side I ovulate from like some women do

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No you're not. Please take this stuff with a massive, massive grain of salt.

[Pretty]

But since I am still not ovulating due to breastfeeding, should I consider waiting two cycles? I love science, so I hate to not consider good data.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you would like to wait, feel free. But let me just point out that in many, if not most cases, people who are in the best shape with the highest fertility are the only ones ABLE TO get pregnant that first couple months. So a whole lot of people may have been having some kind of period, but still could not conceive because their fertility was not high enough yet - thus it takes them more than 0-1 cycles to get pregnant.

It's really meaningless to say "look, people who got pregnant fast had more boys" because, well, obviously. They're more fertile and they're in better condition. They were able to get pregnant faster because of that, and they were more set for boys also because of that. It doesn't mean that those cycles are somehow magically delicious for making boys. It just means that the people who were able to get pregnant in those cycles are more SET for boys.

Basically, if you were in good enough condition to get pregnant right from the start, and you wait a couple months, you're only gonna be in BETTER condition. That some other people weren't able to get pregnant that fast doesn't make you any less blue friendly!

[atomic sagebrush]

But since I am still not ovulating due to breastfeeding, should I consider waiting two cycles? I love science, so I hate to not consider good data.

This is not good data. It is misleading data. It is misleading because a whole lot of people cannot get pregnant the first two cycles even when they're having a period. So the group that CAN get pregnant is not a randomly selected sample group, by definition they are selected for being the only people who COULD get pregnant that first month or two out.

If you are a person in good condition who is immediately fertile enough to conceive, and you wait 2 more months past that, you are only going to be in BETTER condition and more fertile in most cases. You cannot look at these kind of numbers as being random, because there's by definition a difference in the group that can get pregnant right away and those who can't.

[Pretty]

Thank you. I’m still reeling over the find and I’m not sure what I’ll do.

[atomic sagebrush]

Well I'm fucked. I dont have anything that indicates which side I ovulate from like some women do

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Now, for blue swayers reading this stuff and are now in a panic, what do you think you're going to do with this info?? Start shelling out massive amoutns of money for ultrasounds and only TTC whenever there is a pattern of LLR?? IF that ever happens (which is tantamount to waiting for 3 cherries on a slot machine). Most people, in most months, ovulate predominately from the right side anyway, month after month, so you're probably going to be waiting a LONG time for that. Then it would happen one measly time and if you didn't get pregnant then you would have to wait and wait around for another cycle with that pattern (again, having monthly ultrasounds at great expense)

What LLR indicates (because R = higher fertility) is a person that went from lower fertility (ovulating from the left) to higher fertility (ovulating from the right). That is what we are trying to do with all the HE Diet stuff ANYWAY is improving your overall condition and fertility. So just DO THAT. Pink swayers, try to reduce fertility, blue swayers, try to improve it. Don't then decide that you need to do these ultrasounds TOO. you don't, because it is NOT the side of ovulation per se that is swaying, it is YOUR CONDITION. The side of ovulation may REFLECT condition to some extent (with people who are the most fertile tending to O from the right and the least fertile from the left), but the side of ovulation in and of itself does nothing. that is why doctors can take eggs from either ovary and get babies of both genders out of them with IVF.

There are reasons why people go from ovulating from the right to the left, and from the left to the right. That is what we are doing with swaying. These studies are interesting and everything but the differences in sizes of the groups are like 2-4 people in most of the cases. We're talking the difference between 25 and 27 people here!!!! There are plenty of people getting boys and girls from both ovaries.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you. I’m still reeling over the find and I’m not sure what I’ll do.

There's nothing to reel over. I promise. I've had this study on my desk for many years now and we are getting great results doing what has worked for most people most of the time.

Do what you would like, but this is not saying what you think it's saying.

[Pretty]

Thank you, that’s comforting. It sucks because I don’t have a cycle so there’s nothing I can do but sit and think. And think. And overthink. And I’m really in a dark place fertility wise

[Kiwimaz]

I hope my experience might help you feel better. I've had 4 successful pregnancies and they were:
R ovary - boy
L ovary - boy (4yr gap)
R ovary - boy (17mth age gap, conceived shortly after weaning, light sway without diet).
R & L ovary on femara - girl (20mth age gap, full sway incl 5mths on diet).
I let myself think #2 was a girl due to left ovary CL but no.
I was on metformin and ubiquinol as well.

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[Pretty]

Thank you kiwimaz!!