UK SMOG Wannabes - March

[maybebabythree]

Oh babymad I hated being pg towards the end but I miss it now :-/ no pleasing me!

[Inglewood]

Hi all, my last post before bed and the twins arrival!! Had a hectic day but nice meal with the boys and Dh. Cot up, house 99% ready, so just to go to bed now, hopefully sleep, up at 6am, to be there at 0730am. Nervous, excited, worrying, not about twins but section, esp spinal part!!

Dh will post pics on Fb if he remembers how to do it, if not I will try from his phone in hosp.

Take care lovely ladies and will be in touch asap!! My boobs are lumpy and sore today...a sign???? lol

Thanks for all ur kind wishes. xx

[Petal]

Oh Inglewood!!!!! im soooooooooooooo happy for you! just had to come on here and wish you the best of luck! I will definately be stalking fb tomorrow!! enjoy you last night of quietness haha. Big hugs huni!!! x x x

[Kell]

Good luck inglewood!!!!!!!!!!!!! In no time at all your gonna be a girl mummy! Very excited for you! :)
Can't wait to see them! :)

[Sunset]

thinking of you inglewood!!! cant wait to see pictures!

[charlieispy]

Babymad - i have a history with the mental health services so I suppose I am probably a red flag anyway, I was on an EDU 3 months before i got pregnant with ds1 and then suffered with PND and eating issues again afterwards. I think they reason they have pulled out the stops this time is I went to a consultant appointment just after finding out the sex, i thought it was due to high risk pregnancies before but it was infact for PND - anyway I just broke down and told the consultant I sobbed and told her I didnt want my baby (horrendous as it sounds) she then put in place the MW and pyschotherapist x my doctor is also highly aware i am slightly crazy ;) the b12 doesnt help though as it affects you mentally too so I was hoping the injections would make a significant difference but as of yet I just am feeling less faint - which is good but mentally no better. I have an appointment today with the consultant and have finally been told I am allowed anti d's so fx she can prescribe them if not back to doctor for them. Even DH wants me to take them which he NEVER does so I must be a right bitch right now! If there is anyone you can approach I would do it - they seem to have a hidden network if you can tap into it! So sorry you are still struggling physically and mentally :( i hope the holidays dont wear you out too much am about to walk the boys somewhere or they will be clmibing the walls - got to find the energy to do it first!! MUch love hun

Inglewood they could be arriving now or V soon at least!!!

[2monkeyboys]

Ok why did I think Wednesday?? Huge good luck to you inglewood for today!! You will in no time be a SMO2G :)
Babymad and Charlie I bet the time must be dragging awfully just to add to the pain. Great you have that support Charlie, at least if it keeps you afloat for the time being its a help. Hope you both have a nice Easter hols with your boys and at least that will be another half a month done. Do you have an understanding midwife/ doc that you could talk to Babymad? I do think if I was in your shoes I would probably struggle to talk to anyone and be keeping all my feelings bottled up. I have told no one just how strong my desire for a dd is as I find it really embarrassing and just have said the most important thing is health which generally shuts them up as they wouldn't disagree unless they were desperate themselves for a desired gender.
So glad you are getting the support from your dh maybe, definitely makes a difference. When they do do something good like that it defo does wonders for your relationship as you see them in a new light. Hope you have a good day today.
Lavender, I do like calling mine 'the boys' too weirdly. As much as I get envious of people with a boy and a girl I do also think I am just as lucky that mine will have that special relationship that the same sex have that a bro and sis dont. My grandad was one of 8 brothers and my mum used to say that no one would mess with them when they grew up and they were all so close. I don't wish for a second that my ds had have been a girl (except for the pressure to have one now) but I really pray my last one is although the chances of any pregnancy in my current situation is probably 0% with not much chance of improvement. Who knows what the future will bring..
So glad you had a brill girly time indigo. Definitely good for the soul!
Sunset, have you finished Mockingjay yet? I whizzed through the first 2 but since my bday I've come to an abrupt halt as my iPad has abducted my brain :(
Love to everyone else and I hope you have a good day xxx

[pinga]

Oh wow - Good luck Inglewood!! I'm not going to be able to see the news until next week as we're going away...

Charlie - huge hugs... I'm so sorry you're feeling so very awful. I'm really glad you're being looked after... and hopefully it will help a little. Keep hanging in there... and vent away here. We all get what you're saying and we won't judge!!!

Babymad - oh dear - sounds like you're pretty fed up... You're getting closer now. Not too much longer and you'll be able to hold your beautiful little baby and you'll hopefully feel much brighter and at peace...

Maybe - hope things are getting easier with the BFing... and the stitches are sorted out! Sounds awful!!!!

To those of us feeling sad - I hope that this isn't a sadness we carry with us for the rest of our lives. I want to feel complete and content with my boys. They are gorgeous little fellas and I feel blessed to have them. I'm sure we will find a kind of peace but I think we'll also always feel that we missed something.

Anyways - As its the Easter hols DH, the boys and I are going to Sydney to stay with my sister, her DH and baby girl. I don't feel jealous around her baby as she had a horrendous and ever so long journey to get her little miracle. DS1 is pretty excited about going on a plane! And has asked if we can see pirates and go to the zoo!?!

Oh I know some of you are on FB and I meant to say just PM me if you want to friend me... :D

Have a lovely easter and see you in a week x

[maybebabythree]

Oh Charlie that's poo! But so glad you have a fantastic support network. I had pnd with ds2 and told no one as mental health issues are so hard for others to understand. I got through it totally alone. It felt like I was a pit I couldn't climb out of. I thought I would never get better but in the end I did. I feel great this time - maybe the sun helps. Keep talking. We all understand here x

[maybebabythree]

Congrates inglewood - you must be a mummy of four by now! Xxxx

[charlieispy]

yes came on to see if update as not on fb x probably too busy enjoying their beautiful girls

[Babymad]

Babymad - i have a history with the mental health services so I suppose I am probably a red flag anyway, I was on an EDU 3 months before i got pregnant with ds1 and then suffered with PND and eating issues again afterwards. I think they reason they have pulled out the stops this time is I went to a consultant appointment just after finding out the sex, i thought it was due to high risk pregnancies before but it was infact for PND - anyway I just broke down and told the consultant I sobbed and told her I didnt want my baby (horrendous as it sounds) she then put in place the MW and pyschotherapist x my doctor is also highly aware i am slightly crazy ;) the b12 doesnt help though as it affects you mentally too so I was hoping the injections would make a significant difference but as of yet I just am feeling less faint - which is good but mentally no better. I have an appointment today with the consultant and have finally been told I am allowed anti d's so fx she can prescribe them if not back to doctor for them. Even DH wants me to take them which he NEVER does so I must be a right bitch right now! If there is anyone you can approach I would do it - they seem to have a hidden network if you can tap into it! So sorry you are still struggling physically and mentally :( i hope the holidays dont wear you out too much am about to walk the boys somewhere or they will be clmibing the walls - got to find the energy to do it first!! MUch love hun

Inglewood they could be arriving now or V soon at least!!!

How did your app go? Sounds like you have a great team supporting you - it makes such a change that help is available when it is needed. I hope the anti-d's help xx
To be honest I am not good at asking for help. I've always had to be 'strong' from a young age so it's in my nature to get on with it - not always the best option I know! I have been diagnosed with depression previously by my GP but I refused anti-depressants. The health visitors have picked up on it when I have had app's with the boys asked me the fill out the usual questionnaires but I'm never 100% honest as I can't deal with feeling like a failure if I say I'm not coping. Im hoping my depression will ease after baby is born - I always have awful depression in pg and feel immediately myself again once baby arrives - strange really!! Obviously the GD will still be there but I know will be able to deal better with it when I am myself again. Luckily I have always bonded immediately with my boys so I'm not scared of rejecting the baby even though I don't feel any bond as yet - I am very ready to meet my little man - I'm just not ready to accept my future as a mum of all boys!
Do you feel better when you have spoken to the therapists about your GD? Can you talk to your DH/ family too?

[Babymad]

Ok why did I think Wednesday?? Huge good luck to you inglewood for today!! You will in no time be a SMO2G :)
Babymad and Charlie I bet the time must be dragging awfully just to add to the pain. Great you have that support Charlie, at least if it keeps you afloat for the time being its a help. Hope you both have a nice Easter hols with your boys and at least that will be another half a month done. Do you have an understanding midwife/ doc that you could talk to Babymad? I do think if I was in your shoes I would probably struggle to talk to anyone and be keeping all my feelings bottled up. I have told no one just how strong my desire for a dd is as I find it really embarrassing and just have said the most important thing is health which generally shuts them up as they wouldn't disagree unless they were desperate themselves for a desired gender.
So glad you are getting the support from your dh maybe, definitely makes a difference. When they do do something good like that it defo does wonders for your relationship as you see them in a new light. Hope you have a good day today.
Lavender, I do like calling mine 'the boys' too weirdly. As much as I get envious of people with a boy and a girl I do also think I am just as lucky that mine will have that special relationship that the same sex have that a bro and sis dont. My grandad was one of 8 brothers and my mum used to say that no one would mess with them when they grew up and they were all so close. I don't wish for a second that my ds had have been a girl (except for the pressure to have one now) but I really pray my last one is although the chances of any pregnancy in my current situation is probably 0% with not much chance of improvement. Who knows what the future will bring..
So glad you had a brill girly time indigo. Definitely good for the soul!
Sunset, have you finished Mockingjay yet? I whizzed through the first 2 but since my bday I've come to an abrupt halt as my iPad has abducted my brain :(
Love to everyone else and I hope you have a good day xxx


Thanks Hun xx
I am not close to my MW at all - this is the first pg I have had her so no previous relationship and I wouldn't feel comfortable talking to her. I'm like you, hardly anyone knows about how deep rooted my desire for a girl is and I don't tell people how I'm feeling. So I do bottle it up and take it out on my DH mostly which is not something I'm proud of but I am trying my hardest to deal with it better - I'm not good when pg in the best of situations so I know my DH and my boys long for this baby to arrive just as much as me so they can have their mummy back!
Would you like to ttc in the future if things improve?

[Babymad]

Inglewood ~ hope all went ok and you are having lots cuddles with your baby girls....have been thinking of you xx We need pics!!

Pinga ~ have a lovely time in Sydney x

Hope everyone is having a good week. Hoping to bake Easter cakes tomorrow with the boys :)

[2monkeyboys]

Evening all,
Keep looking for updates on these little girls! So exciting :)
Babymad, I totally feel exactly the same as you and know if my last chance of a girl was a boy I would spend the whole time with inner turmoil without revealing it. My dp doesn't emotionally support me at the best of times so he would be no help. Tbh I think he is desperate for a girl too and he has even said about high tech but I'm not prepared to even go there as things are pretty rubbish between us. I know he would definitely like a daughter but I get the feeling he thinks it will change me into a different more happier person. For the fact that he even said that he thought that having a daughter would make us, although another boy would put more strain on us and poss break us i thought are you for real!! No way on earth I'm going to consider bringing another baby into our relationship. To be totally honest I feel we are only together because of the boys although neither of us have said it. We struggle with the most basic of communication and I feel i get through my life on my own. Family is so important to both of us I think that is what is keeping us trudging on. I'd love for it to all work out and go back to how we were a few years ago but I'm slowly giving up hope every time another attempt at even a normal conversation ends with bad feeling. It feels more when, rather than if, we will give up altogether :( So sad but I'm at a loss what to do.
Charlie, you really sound like you have been to hell and back hunny xx Not sure if you were on other forums during your previous pregnancies but hope the fact that you can talk openly without any comebacks or judgements help you too.
Xxxxxx

[maybebabythree]

2monkeys sorry to hear that. It's hard to be a partner when you have kids some times. Me and dh have very few deep conversations. Partly as too busy, tierd etc. Partly because we are on different planets. He lives for a laugh were I worry and plan. We have always been like that. But when I had dave he was great and spoke for me when I was vulnerable which shows he does listen some times! I hope you turn a corner soon.

Babymad I can't ask for help either. I see it as sign of failure. I hate to fail. Had a bad time at work when I went back after ds2 was born. Think I had a mini break down. Thing is no one was concerned for me even then, I hid it so well. Told dh when dave was born to take me to the docs if I showed signs of depression as I would never take myself. But I know I should! I think if people see you can function that's enough. I hope you do bounce back after baby is born. I need to post your clothes out after Easter too x

[Sunset]

Hi ladies :) perhaps it's time to start an april thread? is anyone up for the job?

Inglewood ~ i'm thinking of you! i hope the girls arrived safely and that you're enjoying lots of baby cuddles and not feeling too sleep deprived ;)

2monkeys ~ i'm so sorry to hear your relationship is still on the rocks.. :( i dont really know what to say other than we might only live once so it's very important you think of your own happiness and well being.. you dont want to look back at your life now in the future and have regrets. have you been 110% honest with your dh about your feelings?
I havent finished mockingjay yet no. like you i flew through the first 2 but i had a bad headache last night and the night before that i was too tired to read so i think i'm probably gonna finish reading it tonight :) it's sounds silly but i think i put it off a bit because i'll be sad to see it end.. it's not often i come across books that i can hardly put down :p

charlieispy ~ glad to hear that you get the help you need! hopefully the anti d's will help you get back on track. please keep up posted!!

babymad ~ i'm like you, i don't ask for help as i would feel like a failure if i did.. ridiculous really as there is absolutely no shame in needing help.

maybebaby ~ how are you feeling today? hows the breastfeeding going? any improvement yet?

[Sunset]

oh and i'm in the middle of potty training ds2. Only just started the other day and although i've done it once before with ds1 i feel completely clueless.. has anyone got any good potty training tips for me? it's different this time because with ds1 i simply locked us in the house for 4 days and let him run around naked until he learned to sit on the potty when he felt the need for a wee, but i cant do that with ds2 because ds1 and ds2 would get far too bored sitting in the house all day so we still need to get on with our normal routines and i find it very hard to fit in the potty training in a normal day... :S so any tips would be very appreciated!!

[charlieispy]

Yesterdays appointment was a total waste of time consultant not there and doctor RUBBISH so will have to call my doctor tomorrow x Depression is a hard one as it can go un-noticed for a long time and unless you have been there i dont think people understand or know what to look for. I suppose for me with my previous illnesses physically it was obvious and now people 'know' about that it is harder to hide - I mean from DH he is the only one who knows about how bad iam now and my doctor - because my illness basically broke us before and it was literally we try one last time or we walk away here and now I am aware that I dont think he would stay - i was very bad after ds1 and again our relationship almost broke down and they nearly took my baby - I am just so very thankful for my babies as they are my everything and I know without a doubt getting pregnant saved my life and my life with DH. So my DS1 will always be my saviour my miracle baby that a) should/could never have happened and b) made his mummy and daddy turn themselves around. It is hard to admit being depressed but if you ladies do ever struggle even sometimes going and venting to a doctor or even on a forum can help. My BF lives 2 hrs away and has suffered on and off too we often VENT to help us clear our heads - it doesnt mend it but it helps x I suppose as well recognising you are depressed is a major thing and coping mechanisms. For me art and crafts/ baking helps me I am currently making the baby a blanket it is a lot of hours of stitching and sewing but in my head it is my way of bonding with my baby and showing him how special he will be - i did the same with ds1 and ds3 alot of knitting happened! DS2 mentally i was very happy but he was a long time coming!! Anyway sorry for the ramble just please dont be alone if you are suffering

[charlieispy]

sunset - potty training its a toughy! DS1 potty trained at 2 but with a few accidents like you we stayed in. ds2 showed signs of being early wanting to use toilet etc but didnt seem to physically be able to go until a bit later and in the end was 2.5 but NO accidents ever! With him I left him naked at home with a potty out for a couple of weeks, progressing to pants....once he was dry at home - we then ventured out but i think leaving it till he was older and totally ready helped. Now saying that ds3 is now potty trained! No real doing of my own other than letting him use the toilet when he asked, havnt bothered with a potty as he never used one. He suddenly was asking to go so I did the same naked at home and he was dry straight away - pants took about a day to realise he still had to ask once he grasped that i bit the bullet and went out in pants! Believe me pooping myself the whole time but he has been amazing! Even at groups. He has had a few accidents at home in the evenings when tired but he is even dry most nights too. I would go with the naked no nappies at home first see how he does then progress to pants and going out x GOOD LUCK x

2monkeys - i just wanted to say huge huge hugs to you x i am so sorry your relationship is still no better, would you consider councilling?? Would DH. You sound so sad I just want to hug you x life is hard even when you are getting along most of the time and all relationships have ups and downs but it sounds like you have been trying to sort things and its still no better. I definitely agree with you on the baby making or breaking thing - i wouldnt have another unless your relationship is strong - geez this baby was planned at a time we were and still are relatively strong and it has pushed us to the limits at times. Can anyone have the boys whilst you guys talk things through??? Huge hugs x x

Inglewood - am gagging for pics ;) congrats on the safe arrival :D

[zanacal]

We've not done naked potty training here - far too much mess with accidents and I think it helps when they wear pants to be able to feel that they're wet (or dirty!). I've stayed at home for the first few days at least with all of them (which is why I trained DS3 in half-term!) and then ventured out after that - with lots of spare clothes! I just spend a lot of time sitting them on the potty the first day (or two, depending how they're getting on) and getting down and reading/playing with them to keep them occupied enough to stay there, hopefully catching one or two, not making a fuss about accidents. Once they start holding their bladder for longer (DS3 did that on literally the second day!) I back off a bit and try and let them decide when it's time to go. This worked with all 3 of mine but all at different ages (DS2 didn't get it at all when we first tried so we went back in to nappies for a couple of weeks and tried again later). DS3 was probably the easiest. I did use a sticker chart with him (can't remember with the others) but only for the first few days - I find sticker charts lose their appeal after that!). Having said that, DS3 has regressed in the poo department so I'll be working on that over the Easter holidays!

I'm so desperate to hear about Inglewood's twins! There are messages on her FB page from others who have seen photos so obviously all is well - but I need details :D

[Babymad]

Evening all,
Keep looking for updates on these little girls! So exciting :)
Babymad, I totally feel exactly the same as you and know if my last chance of a girl was a boy I would spend the whole time with inner turmoil without revealing it. My dp doesn't emotionally support me at the best of times so he would be no help. Tbh I think he is desperate for a girl too and he has even said about high tech but I'm not prepared to even go there as things are pretty rubbish between us. I know he would definitely like a daughter but I get the feeling he thinks it will change me into a different more happier person. For the fact that he even said that he thought that having a daughter would make us, although another boy would put more strain on us and poss break us i thought are you for real!! No way on earth I'm going to consider bringing another baby into our relationship. To be totally honest I feel we are only together because of the boys although neither of us have said it. We struggle with the most basic of communication and I feel i get through my life on my own. Family is so important to both of us I think that is what is keeping us trudging on. I'd love for it to all work out and go back to how we were a few years ago but I'm slowly giving up hope every time another attempt at even a normal conversation ends with bad feeling. It feels more when, rather than if, we will give up altogether :( So sad but I'm at a loss what to do.
Charlie, you really sound like you have been to hell and back hunny xx Not sure if you were on other forums during your previous pregnancies but hope the fact that you can talk openly without any comebacks or judgements help you too.
Xxxxxx

lots of hugs hun (()). Must be hard feeling that way and not being able to talk about it all. My DH and I were in abad place a few years ago and I thought we would end up separating but we worked through it and we are happier now for it - I didn't think we had a future together to be honest so I am so pleased we tried as we were obviously meant to be together. Would you want to stay with your DH if you could sort things out? I agree counselling is a great idea - does your DH know how you feel? We are all here for you hun xxx

[Babymad]

2monkeys sorry to hear that. It's hard to be a partner when you have kids some times. Me and dh have very few deep conversations. Partly as too busy, tierd etc. Partly because we are on different planets. He lives for a laugh were I worry and plan. We have always been like that. But when I had dave he was great and spoke for me when I was vulnerable which shows he does listen some times! I hope you turn a corner soon.

Babymad I can't ask for help either. I see it as sign of failure. I hate to fail. Had a bad time at work when I went back after ds2 was born. Think I had a mini break down. Thing is no one was concerned for me even then, I hid it so well. Told dh when dave was born to take me to the docs if I showed signs of depression as I would never take myself. But I know I should! I think if people see you can function that's enough. I hope you do bounce back after baby is born. I need to post your clothes out after Easter too x

I agree - if people see that you function on a daily basis then everything must be ok! Normally I would speak to my DH more about how I am feeling and he is normally my best friend but with having a tough pg and GD issues we aren't talking about stuff properly at the mo so I miss that closeness and chance to vent - I'm sure he just doesn't want to open the can of GD worms again....so he's probably keeping his mouth shut!
Sounds like your DH is being great - hope he keeps up the good work and you continue to get the support you need :) x

[Babymad]

Yesterdays appointment was a total waste of time consultant not there and doctor RUBBISH so will have to call my doctor tomorrow x Depression is a hard one as it can go un-noticed for a long time and unless you have been there i dont think people understand or know what to look for. I suppose for me with my previous illnesses physically it was obvious and now people 'know' about that it is harder to hide - I mean from DH he is the only one who knows about how bad iam now and my doctor - because my illness basically broke us before and it was literally we try one last time or we walk away here and now I am aware that I dont think he would stay - i was very bad after ds1 and again our relationship almost broke down and they nearly took my baby - I am just so very thankful for my babies as they are my everything and I know without a doubt getting pregnant saved my life and my life with DH. So my DS1 will always be my saviour my miracle baby that a) should/could never have happened and b) made his mummy and daddy turn themselves around. It is hard to admit being depressed but if you ladies do ever struggle even sometimes going and venting to a doctor or even on a forum can help. My BF lives 2 hrs away and has suffered on and off too we often VENT to help us clear our heads - it doesnt mend it but it helps x I suppose as well recognising you are depressed is a major thing and coping mechanisms. For me art and crafts/ baking helps me I am currently making the baby a blanket it is a lot of hours of stitching and sewing but in my head it is my way of bonding with my baby and showing him how special he will be - i did the same with ds1 and ds3 alot of knitting happened! DS2 mentally i was very happy but he was a long time coming!! Anyway sorry for the ramble just please dont be alone if you are suffering

Sounds like you and your hubby have had a really tough time - although its great to hear you've come through it all. I hope things get easier this time too xx
I agree it is good to have a way of coping - sometimes thats where I go wrong and end up hurting those close to me as i can't express myself properly and just get very angry :(
Thats why you guys are a god send for me as its my only chance to talk about my feelings properly and that really helps me xx

[Babymad]

We've not done naked potty training here - far too much mess with accidents and I think it helps when they wear pants to be able to feel that they're wet (or dirty!). I've stayed at home for the first few days at least with all of them (which is why I trained DS3 in half-term!) and then ventured out after that - with lots of spare clothes! I just spend a lot of time sitting them on the potty the first day (or two, depending how they're getting on) and getting down and reading/playing with them to keep them occupied enough to stay there, hopefully catching one or two, not making a fuss about accidents. Once they start holding their bladder for longer (DS3 did that on literally the second day!) I back off a bit and try and let them decide when it's time to go. This worked with all 3 of mine but all at different ages (DS2 didn't get it at all when we first tried so we went back in to nappies for a couple of weeks and tried again later). DS3 was probably the easiest. I did use a sticker chart with him (can't remember with the others) but only for the first few days - I find sticker charts lose their appeal after that!). Having said that, DS3 has regressed in the poo department so I'll be working on that over the Easter holidays!

I'm so desperate to hear about Inglewood's twins! There are messages on her FB page from others who have seen photos so obviously all is well - but I need details :D

Me too Z!! :) Bet you are so excited about meeting your little girl soon :)

[Babymad]

oh and i'm in the middle of potty training ds2. Only just started the other day and although i've done it once before with ds1 i feel completely clueless.. has anyone got any good potty training tips for me? it's different this time because with ds1 i simply locked us in the house for 4 days and let him run around naked until he learned to sit on the potty when he felt the need for a wee, but i cant do that with ds2 because ds1 and ds2 would get far too bored sitting in the house all day so we still need to get on with our normal routines and i find it very hard to fit in the potty training in a normal day... :S so any tips would be very appreciated!!

Ive not really ever stayed at home - just because I've not had the opportunity so lots of fun here ;)
I used a potty book and reward chart which have worked for mine, especially the chart :)
DS3 hardly used the potty and went straight onto using the loo like his older brothers, so they are all different.
I bought a fold away potty for when out and about especially as they can't hold their bladder for long at the beginning.
In he in big boy pants yet? I went shopping with mine to buy new pants so they were included in the whole 'big boy' thing :)

[Babymad]

Here's a bump pic I took today....32 weeks :)

1891

[2monkeyboys]

Aww thanks ladies,
I disappear for months at a time and when I come back you are all so lovely to me xxx
I'm not sure it's just one thing with us as tbh the only thing we have in common is the boys. So many times he talks to me with such....I don't know..disgust in his voice..? I feel like he doesn't even like me or enjoy my company as we don't talk or laugh together at all. The way I hear him talk to other people really makes me notice how different he is with me. I don't doubt he loves me but I know he doesn't actually like who I am. He is very controlling and because I'm a strong willed person too if there is something I don't agree with and I state my point he sees it as me being deliberately bloody minded or stubborn. Often I say something and he totally hears something completely different and starts a row. I try to explain what I have said but he repeats what I say in a mocking voice, accentuating different parts of what I have actually said as if to confirm to himself that all I do is nag him. He will then end up shouting me down to which I just shut up as otherwise it will be "go on, pack your bags, go back to your mums.." I'm not afraid to walk away but once I do that will be it. No backwards and forwards. Not sure if he thinks I would go. I do get very upset when we argue but i more feel that it's because I'm grieving for our relationship as opposed to just the argument at the time. Another hard thing is when I hear things from his side he is 100% sure of how things are and to an outsider he is very believable and even I think gees if I didn't know better I'd be feeling sorry for him. It makes me very sad for the boys but i think we just aren't suited anymore :( I don't want to end up hating each other and I truly think that if we tried counselling etc the pressure on us to make it work might just push things the other way. Really need to talk but it's very hard and scary to get things out as once said words can't be taken back and I'm still not sure if he feels the same or hes burying his head in the sand and it will be a massive shock to him..then the fireworks which I need to be prepared for. Defo need to get him to speak first me thinks!
Sunset, my ds2 is 3 on 29th April and he is still in pull ups! He generally only does what he wants to do and toilet training is really hard with him. If I regularly put him on the loo he will squeeze a wee but left to his own devices he won't. Tried pants, rewards and nakedness and he will just stand next to me saying "I'm doing a wee". Once better weather is here I will keep him in pants outside as less mess. He is a little monkey! Ds1 was toilet trained pretty quick but he still has a pull up at night as he sleeps very deeply and has the worst bladder control ever. Because he is very bright with other stuff I'm not worried but I do want to give up the nappies!!
Babymad you have one lovely bump :) So glad you sorted through your past probs with your dh.
Charlie, when I hear what you have been through it makes my dilemmas seem a walk in the park. You sound very determined to keep on top of things and making your bubs his blanket is lovely. I love your profile pic on fb btw. Every time I see your pics of your ds3 on fb I always click on them and just look at him. He truly is the cutest thing ever.
Hope today has been a good day maybe xx
Hi to everyone else too :) Hope you are enjoying Easter hols xxxx

[charlieispy]

2monkeys you know we are all always here for you whatever happens and whatever comes of all this x god I know i have disappeared or not posted for ages then just vent about all my problems and all you lovely ladies just listen and thats sometimes all you need to be heard x everyone has their own issues and problems and although I have struggled in other ways I am so very lucky - yin & yang. DS3 is my cutie he is also V cheeky - he is currently awake :/ and walking round the house with DHs work bag waving goodbye and going to work!!! I hope you can talk to DH when you feel ready and I know you will make the right choices you have wise words x

As for the potty training the choosing pants thing definitely helps x although ds3 was only 19months and too young for that incentive stickers too - TBH i am still in shock he is dry!

[charlieispy]

babymad - OMG gorgeous bumpage!!! Who the hell keeps telling you are huge that is so neat for 32wks!!! Loving your bedspread too :D you too are a godsend to us hun x

[zanacal]

babymad - OMG gorgeous bumpage!!! Who the hell keeps telling you are huge that is so neat for 32wks!!! Loving your bedspread too :D you too are a godsend to us hun x

I was going to say exactly the same thing - great bump and great duvet cover :D I must take a photo of my bump, I have hardly any of this pregnancy (I'm so over being pregnant!). Do you feel any better physically Babymad? I was wondering whether things might be easy for you when baby drops and you get some more space in your chest (I've developed the bowling ball between legs feeling this week and I know we're at practically the same stage!).

Today is the first 'proper' day of the Easter holidays for us. No work, school or childminder and we're still all in our jammies :D I should be nesting or something but I've pulled a muscle in my chest so I'm not planning on doing much at all. I'm pretty sure it's a muscle I've pulled in my chest but with all the worrying I've done about heart issues this pregnancy, I would rather have pulled a muscle somewhere other than the left side of my chest! It only hurts in certain positions and not when breathing so I'm trying not to panic and go skipping off to the doctor (again!).

[Lavenderlime]

Babymad lovely bump and also bedspread! love a bit of Orla.

Still on tenderhooks about the twins.

Potty training tips from me would be once in pants always in pants don't revert back to nappies on the occational day because it will be easier. I think it confuses them. I went out the next day with both of mine just took the potty in a bag.
Lots and lots of praise.
Also biggest tip is bulk them up on white carbs and avoid soft fruit at the start. really helps them to realise when they need to go and and don't have accidents because it's too late to get to the toilet.

Ds2 was a breeze, dry at night after a few days. First day of potty training wet his trousers 4 times. Second day not once and has had very few accidnets since and they have been when I have been nowhere near him and he's been really distracted.

[charlieispy]

totally with you on the once in pants dont go back (unless they really arent ready) its scary but I just bit the bullet especially with ds3 as he has to do the school run etc....we have had a few wees by the path en route but FX no accidents. Making easter cakes now :D oh and keep looking at my scan pics wishing the obvious boy bits were very swollen girl bits crazy i know :( i dont want anymore than 4 kids - well we cant afford it i just cant accept never having a girl

[Babymad]

2monkeys ~ I hope you manage to sort things out one way or another in the near future as its no way to live hun, even though I fully appreciate its not an easy thing to sort out either - hopefully you'll know when the time is right.....life is far too short to be unhappy so I hope the future brings you lots of happiness xx

Z ~ I am so over being pg too - just can't bare it!! Still got all my health issues including the breathing....I feel trapped in my own body at the mo....cant tell you how much I long to me again.
I hope your chest stops hurting soon - but do go and see the doctor if it doesn't stop as best to get checked out.
Enjoy your day in your PJ's - I am absolutely exhausted today - I think I can do as much as i normally would and wonder why I am close to collapsing!! My friend said to me earlier, make the most of the rest as it will be manic in a few weeks time - what they don't get is that I would rather be busy/exhausted with a newborn rather than being a huge whale with far too many health issues for one person! Bring on the baby is what I say :)

Charlie ~ Me too hun xx I keep daydreaming that the baby will actually be a girl and the woman got it wrong and I picture myself giving birth and the MW passing me a girl......then I spend an hour crying wondering why I do it to myself :( Always here for you x

Lavender ~ yep I'm with on once in pants don't go back :)

Thanks for the nice comments about my bump - I do feel HUGE and everyday tasks are such hard work!!! including looking after 3 kids! This pg has really aged me and I feel very old and haggered!

I LOVE Orla Kiely :) I really want the stem iPad cover but need to save my pennies first :) I also love her kitchen apron and tea towels and her kitchen ware.....need to win the lottery :)

[Inglewood]

Our beautiful Ruby (5lbs 14 1/2 oz) was born at 0933hrs on Tues 3rd April followed her gorgeous sister Amber ( 6lbs 1/2 oz) at 0935hrs. Both perfect and adored by all the family. Only just logging into FB and here as I have been rather busy!! lol xx and Dh is hopeless with the laptop!! Pic's to follow soon. x

I am super tired, have conjunctivitis and just home!! so I'll be back on soon. Girls doing well, I'm so in love!! x

[auroara78]

So nice for the update!! Can't wait to see pics!!!

[Waiting4Daisy]

Deleted

[HopeandDreamG]

Inglewood- amazing!! Congrats. Can't wait to see pics :) so happy for you!

[Babymad]

Many congrats Inglewood :)

[Babymad]

Just seen your pics on FB...your girls are truly beautiful - well done!! x

[indigoviolet]

Huge congrats to you inglewood, your girls are just so so gorgeous, no wonder you are in love. So happy for you :HH:

hello and love to the rest of you, sorry just popping on briefly.

xxxxx

Babymad- love the bump, super neat!

[Lavenderlime]

Inglewood your girls are beautiful! Congratualtions.

I hope you feel better soon. xx

[Sunset]

Inglewood ~ CONGRATULATIONS!!! so so so happy for you!! :D what wonderful news!

Babymad ~ wow what a beautiful bump!! :D so neat!

Littlemisswilko ~ thinking of you! what day is your scan?

[maybebabythree]

Congratulations inglewood! They are gorgeous and wow at the weight - how did you manage that???

Lovely bump babymad, your not massive at all xx

Ow I am still broody! Some one sterilise me now before I do some thing stupid!

Indigo - lovely seeing you on Tuesday. Feel like my boys totally showed me up! Ds2 has told me he is a naughty boy but he wants to be a good boy lol! I wonder where he hears that!;-) it's a long Easter at my house'

[Kell]

Awww inglewood so lovely to hear from you! Huge congratulations on the safe arrival of Ruby and Amber! So can't wait to see pictures! What great weights! Enjoy the madness! Hope your all coping ok and that the boys are being helpful for you :)

Babymad your bump is so neat! I love it :)

Hope your scan went ok Lmw.

Have a lovely Easter weekend guys! We are having 3 puppies taken tomorrow I'm so sad :( and somewhat relieved.

[indigoviolet]

Indigo - lovely seeing you on Tuesday. Feel like my boys totally showed me up! Ds2 has told me he is a naughty boy but he wants to be a good boy lol! I wonder where he hears that!;-) it's a long Easter at my house'
It was lovely seeing you too and meeting your lovely boys properly. You look amazing, just cannot believe you have a newborn and are sleep deprived! Don't be daft about your boys, they were totally normal and lovely. Kids know when you are not totally on it (ie chatting to someone else) and will play up a little. They are good boys you can see that. Little dave was a treasure, so super cute, no wonder you feel broody, wanting another one like that! I feel happier having 3 boys seeing your three.

Happy easter all, lots of love :HH:

[maybebabythree]

Thanks indigo that's really sweet of you! Just tucked the boys in and told ds1 to pretend ds2 was his teddy. He was kissing ds2 and his face was in heaven! Reminded me when I was small and how I adored my older sister. So lovely. Love watching them doing things I used to. Such lovely memories

[Sunset]

wow maybebaby i can't believe ashton is 1 month already! that's gone by so fast.

[threelittlemenandcounting]

Congrats inglewood they are beautiful!

[charlieispy]

CONGRATS inglewood - beautiful girls hope you are all recovering well at home and enjoying them x

deaks - your scan this week if i remember right? 11th??

LMW - did you have a scan x x

not been on as busy with ds2 birthday party his brithday is tomorrow then we have our 4dscan tues.....hope i can hold it together infront of the boys.....am sure i will enjoy it but not looking forward to it sounds bad :S

[Sunset]

Happy Easter ladies :D hope the little ones have all enjoyed their easter eggs, I know my boys have :)

enjoy your scan on tuesday charlie, i hope your boys will enjoy it too :)

Kell, wow 25 weeks :D have you got a bump picture?

inglewood ~ how are you enjoying being a twin mama ;)

[pebmcpd7]

They are gorgeous, congrats!!!!!!!!!

[Inglewood]

Hi all,

Just a quickie as I'm shattered!!!!! getting around 2hrs sleep a night (with dh up too!). My milk came in today so super sore boobs and my body not taking a 3rd section too well!! Feel about 90! Still have a numb bum and my hips and lower back feel like they are burning (nerve type pain, hope it goes soon). The girls are so good and I'm so in love with them. The boys adore them and are great helpers. Not had too many visitors thankfully as I'm a walking zombie! Think of everything u do for 1...then do it all again straight after.....and at 3am it's matchsticks on the eyes time!! They are feeding well, around 2oz every 3hrs and are so good. My section was ok, went,as planned just wanted out the hosp, was expecting home fri, but got told we were good to go on the thurs and I thought at least I'd get more help at home. My room was right next to the nurses station, so buzzers all night!!


Off to feed then bed....

LMW, did u have a scan?

[HopeandDreamG]

Inglewood- they are beyond beautiful!!!! Enjoy every moment! So happy for you.

[Kell]

Inglewood hope u manage to get a littl more sleep soon hun!
So glad the boys are helping and that the girls are good for mummy! I'm dying to see pictures when I get a spare 5mins! :)

Sunset, I've not taken any pictures at all this time, I'll see if I can take one for ya! :)

[Babymad]

Happy Easter Girls :)

Inglewood ~ I hope you begin to feel abit more human soon - give yourself time though Hun, you've had a big op and you'll need time to recover x Pleased everything is going well with the girls :)

Charlie ~ Love your pics of DS birthday, hope he has a great day :) I'm doing an angry bird theme for my DS2 in May, just ordered lots of things of eBay. Love your cake :) I hope your scan goes well, I felt the same about our 4d scan, I wasnt really that excited but the boys enjoyed it and it was lovely to see baby was doing fine :)

LMW ~ Hope all went well with your scan x

Hi to everyone else :)

We've had a good Easter so far, had a lovely day yesterday at Sudbury Hall. The weathers awful today though and I really wanted to get out in my garden and mow the lawn!! Not getting on very well with DH, we keep arguing....about everything!! :(

[zanacal]

Inglewood, I wondered how you were getting on. It took me a good fortnight after having DS3 to feel normal again, was so tired - and that was without an operation to recover from and only one baby to look after! Good job they're so gorgeous eh? Take care of yourself x

Babymad - sorry you and DH are arguing. I don't know what to do today either. Really don't want another day at home as the boys are such a handful when we stay at home doing nothing, but what to do in the rain?!

[Lavenderlime]

We're having a PJ day today i've shut the shutters lit the fire and put on shrek 2 that I sky+. I'm really tired turned into a complete insomniac recently. Can't sleep at all.


Can someone give me a good shake please i'm really sruggling to get back onto a swaying diet.

LMW hope your scan went well and your having a lovely Easter break.

[charlieispy]

Babymad - i ordered loads from ebay - well party bag stuff and also got him a slingshot....maybe not so good lol x one game that was easy and went down well was 20 green balloons i drew pig faces on about half of them they were meant to try and pop them all but just played with them for about 20minutes!! Cake was hellish but worth it he was sooooo over the moon :D so sorry you and DH are arguing lots - we are too - i think its partly hormones tired pregnant etc and partly i am still so low about the gender x hope things get better - we screamed at each other yesterday over something stupid :(

inglewood - huge hugs i hope you manage to rest enough to heal!! Have you any family helping you x hope you are ok and glad the girls are doing well x

waves to all shattered and need to get up early tomorrow for the scan.....well its not till 10,30 but that seems early at the mo!!!

[maybebabythree]

Enjoy your scan Charlie!

Imglewood I feel like crap and I've only got one baby! It was my birthday today (worst one ever) didn't get dressed, boys not dressed, baby has colic, sister visited while I in pjs and the house a tip! Friend spending day with me tomz and house is a pig sty! Keep on feeling dizzy and faint don't know why. How you cope with two I can't imagine. I want to crawl into a pit and sleep for a week!

[Babymad]

Hope everyone managed to have a good day yesterday......DH was tiling the bathroom (just one of our numerous projects!) all day yesterday and I was catching up around the house - boys drove me mad most of the day, arguing between themselves! It was such an awful day, rained all day here!

Weather is better today but still very chilly! I'm so tired all the time, by the time I've got dressed and the boys dressed I'm ready for bed agan!!

Charlie ~ how was your scan? Pics are great, really clear :) Hope you all enjoyed it. Thanks for bday ideas - love the balloon idea, will defo be doing that :) I will be two weeks off my due date when DS2 turns 5 so wouldnt cope with all the hassle of a party at home so taking a few of his friends bowling. We haven't been getting on for awhile now, DH left a couple of weeks ago and didn't come home until the next day - he said he'd had enough! I suppose I resent him for our situation and I take it out on him. We are doing lots to our house at the mo too and he's really doing my head in with all that - we are so opposites its untrue - we can't agree on anything!! I think he resents me too for wanting a fourth child - not sure when things will get any better . Like you say being pg doesn't help - lets hope we both find it easier when hey arrive! Xx

Maybe ~ hugs, hope you get some rest soon x

[maybebabythree]

Sorry your still not doing great babymad. If I don't need to I don't get dressed. I don't get the boys dressed either. An old friend came round today. She is expecting a girl so I gave her all the girl things my bf gave me when I told her I was pg. My friend said I could have them back when I have my girl! Also dhs uncle has three boys then a girl - we saw them over Easter and their dd said our next one has to be a girl! Everyone presumes we will have a fourth but I'm not sure. Only thing I am sure of is that it would be another lovely boy ;-) I really don't get any negative comments about having all boys either. I get stopped a lot by strangers and again no negative comments (maybe that will start when dave is old enough to join in the fights!) so I'm enjoying the boys right now and the girl for a fourth are quite funny. I hope that lasts. Didn't feel sad to give away the girls clothes and looking forward to seeing my friends dd in them.

[deaks66]

Hi ladies! massively need to ctah up on posts but just thought id let you know that i had my scan this morning and all looks well...yay! I have two boy guesses on IG so far...bit disaapointed but feeling ok. What do you reckon? 13+1 week nub...pls guess! - In-Gender.com (http://ingender.com/cs/forums/p/245649/2288985.aspx#2288985)

[deaks66]

lets make that 5/5 boy guesses now. oh well!

[maybebabythree]

Deaks - I think its flat so girl??? also its weird to see a baby laying that way round, normally head is on the left but thats just aside. Daves nub was sticking up. I knew it was a boy at the nutal scan. Still could go either way! Feels really weird going on IG now! Lovely looking buba there - I bet you can't belive it's real?

[zanacal]

I'm glad everything is well with the baby Deaks. Are you going to post your photos here too? There are a couple of techs here - Coldwater and Foxy - and a fair few others are pretty good at interpreting them. My guesses are only ever wild guesses because I know nothing really!

We took the boys to Tank Museum today and there were so many families with 3 or more boys, it was lovely actually :D

[Babymad]

Hi Deaks :)
Pleased your scan went well. Sorry no good with the whole nub thing so can't say. Only thing i will say is that Charliecats (who is a sonographer on IG and been around a long time) guessed girl for me! She was the only person I wanted a true guess off as I know how experienced she is.... so without getting your hopes up, they don't always get it right - even the experienced ones.

How was your holiday - love to hear all about it :)

[deaks66]

Thanks ladies, youre all so sweet. Yes i will post pics here now. Been strongly trying to tease girl out of the IG ladies but they're all convinced...definately boy. Even lovemy4 says boy! I just wish someone could tell me which the nub is on my shots. Normally i can see it on other people shots but there seems to be lots going on on mine to confuse me! Maybe, which bit that looks flat are you looking at??! help!

[deaks66]

Babymad, the holiday was amazing. Boys great on flights, in fact slept the whole journey home. Every day was full on though. Breakfast, theme park for about 4 hrs (all ours could manage in that heat), back to the pool for a couple of hrs, back to the room to get showered then out for the evening. Hectic to say the least! But it was awesome and we will definately go back one day to enjoy all the stuff we couldnt do this time. Will get photos onto fb soon but busy nubsessing so god knows when!

[deaks66]

Deaks - I think its flat so girl??? also its weird to see a baby laying that way round, normally head is on the left but thats just aside.

I thought that too... weird huh! Plus my gd really came out when he kept referring to bubs as 'her'... it would be so lovely to hear those words for real :(

Oh well, im still feeling ok!

[Babymad]

Babymad, the holiday was amazing. Boys great on flights, in fact slept the whole journey home. Every day was full on though. Breakfast, theme park for about 4 hrs (all ours could manage in that heat), back to the pool for a couple of hrs, back to the room to get showered then out for the evening. Hectic to say the least! But it was awesome and we will definately go back one day to enjoy all the stuff we couldnt do this time. Will get photos onto fb soon but busy nubsessing so god knows when!

Sounds lovely :)
Obsessing is no fun is it - will you be finding out at 16 weeks? Hugs x

[deaks66]

Not sure but probably... for my sanity!

[deaks66]

Just to really toture myself with nubsessing i found a pic on IG which was confirmed girl and looked just like mine with the protrusion above where pretty much everyone had said the protrusion is the leg... including people who tell me there is no chance that can be the leg on mine!!! Got to stop this obsessing NOW....its killing me!

[2monkeyboys]

Hi ladies,
Beautiful scan pics deaks! So glad all is ok after all the let downs you have had getting here.
Happy birthday Charlie! Hope you have had a good day. How did you get on at your scan hunny? Was looking for an update but may have missed it!
Babymad, glad you got some bits done at home, i hate looking at jobs to be done as they get me down. Sorry you are still having such a tough time. Roll on the sunny weather as I find my boys being outside makes them argue so much less. Big hugs to you xxx
I wrote the hugest post Sunday night but dp came back and I had to delete it all as it was about him!! ANYWAY cut a long story short I reached the end of my tether Easter Sunday I basically told him I'd had enough and I thought it would be best to split up. After him being an enormous prick for the rest of the day, writing shit on fb, unfriending me (haha), demanding my engagement ring back and basically deciding that he was better off without me he then thought SHITTTTTTTT. After reaching the decision I could do it alone, I didn't feel afraid to tell him exactly what I thought, how he makes me mad, sad, frustrated etc, how i cannot talk to him, all that kind of stuff. He did the usual arguing back to start off with but amazingly the shock must have then actually made him see things through my eyes and he realised what a let down he has been. Anyway I now have a totally transformed dp. We are now talking and he has done more around the house and for me these last 2 days than in the last 6months. How long it will last is anyone's guess but the fact that he knows I am prepared to go it alone has turned the tables completely. I would never have said it if I hadn't truly meant it and it certainly wasn't a spur of the moment thing as you all know how long this has been building for. So glad I bit the bullet and confronted it as the silence was so crazy. I'm totally prepared to give him the chance to change things and hope we can regain what we had and be happy again. Very hard weekend but I feel so less stressed now.
Xxxxx

[deaks66]

oh 2monkeys thats brillaint... even though it must have given you a right headache at the time! Well done for sticking up for yourself.... i hope he can maintain what he's doing now! x

[Inglewood]

Hi all, hope ur all well?

anyone heard how LMW got on at scan? x

[maybebabythree]

Well done 2 monkeys! Hope it lasts. My dh has said he's off before and when I said don't come back he said I misheard him and he wasn't going anywhere during one of our many money arguements.

Deaks I think the circled bit at the bottom is the nub. If I was to ever be mad enough to have another it's a cvs at 11 weeks for me ;-)

Inglewood how are you coping? I'm ok just a bit feral as we only leave the house if we have to ATM

[deaks66]

Maybe - Thanks hun, though im afraid you are definately in the minority with your girl guess. Most people are definatrely on the boy bad wagon!. Kinda wish i hadnt posted them as i came out of the scan thinking well thats good, i havent seen anything especially boy like and now i do feel a bit low about it. In fact i only really posted them because i thought someone would be able to see some girl in them thinking they would ignore what i thought was the leg. But so far no tears. Was devastated at this point with ds2 so things are looking better!

What is a cvs? Hope you manage to get out of the house soon! Things are always a bit flat in the holidays unless you have made specific plans so hopefully things might pick up next week when you are back on the school runs etc.

Inglewood, i too am worried about littlemisswilko, i really hope all was ok at the scan

Hi everyone else! X

[pinga]

Hello all... we are back from Sydney and back online! Had a great time... was lovely to spend time with my sister and her little girl. My boys absolutely adored their uncle (they've not spent much time with him before). Had lots of fun going on ferries, seeing the harbour bridge and opera house and we visited the zoo.

My sister isn't into all the pink girly stuff so it makes it a bit easier for me. My boys were so well behaved and charming I was proud of them. And we were staying in a 2 bed flat (so thats 3 kids and 4 adults!!)

CONGRATULATIONS Inglewood!!!! Wonderful wonderful news that they are finally here. I'm amazed you managed to get on here! Just keep telling yourself that you WILL sleep again...:D ! I remember how crazy-tired my SIL was when her twins arrived!

Deaks - can't tell at all from your piccy. Have you tried posting on a-gender? Tanya on there is amazing at guessing. I hate the nubsessing!!!! Drive you mad!

Wow - there are a few of us in the 30+weeks now... I can't believe I'm finally in the 30s!!!

Charlie - I'm making bubba a blanket too. I'm doing a granny square one - I taught myself how to crochet so I could do it... wanted to do something I hadn't done before. I'm actually making up things for baby's room... I've never done up the baby room before so its a nice thing to do.

Babymad - I know what you mean about imagining the MW handing over a girl instead... but then I tell myself... my sonographer was 99% sure it was a boy... not much room for a girl there!!

Grrrr - have to go to the dentist on Monday - half my tooth broke off on Monday!!! :P I HATE going to the dentist. I have a bit of a phobia about dentists and needles and drills... like a lot of people! :)

Anyhews - have only half caught up with all the posts... so will catch up properly over the next week.

[chocolate]

Hey everyone, just popping in to say Hi, sorry I havent read much on here lately, have sort of accepted never having a daughter and have been ok with this but coming on here seems to prompt me to start thinking of it all again though.

Hope everyone is good, I have my 20 week scan tomorrow so will be confirming boy for the 3rd time lol

[maybebabythree]

Chocolate - I feel like that when I go on IG so I mostly avoid it! Dont feel like that here as my time here has been pg knowing its a boy.

Deaks CVS is when they take blood from the cord via a big nasty needle. I had a higher downs risk with Dave and would be 40 IF I did have another (hormones say YES! YES! head, dh, health all say no, but hormones say SHUT UP, DO IT!! lol!) also bonus it they give you the sex as its a genetic test. So even less time to wonder

[Petal]

Hi all,

We got back late last night and ive been itching to get on here and see your girls Inglewood! and OMG, they are just gorge!!! such perfect little princesses, im sooo envious ;-) Havent had chance to read all your posts yet but i will do today!

Love to all you yummy mummy's x x

[deaks66]

Hi all,

Pinga, glad you had a lovely time away. Its always nice when friends or family who have girls just act the same towards them as if they were boys. The whole princess treatment really does my head in and although i hate pink and princess stuff, it just makes it all the more noticeable what i miss out on. Anyway posted on a-gender last night. Tanya gave girl guess from the one photo i put up without the 'boy like' protrusion. Now i have managed to put up the other two photos im sure she will change her mind! Anyway, got another scan on tues as was told that if all ok at nuchal scan that i had to come off the progesterone crinone cold turkey! They just want to check all is ok a week on from having stopped it. Nervous that i will get a glimpse of nub!

Maybe, ah thanks for that. I wasnt sure. Yes sounds like a good plan and sounds like you will go for a fourth! Its hard isnt it. I dont especially want 4 but it feels like 4 attempts at a girl will kinda seal the deal as to whether it it is ever going to happen. 3 just doesnt feel final enough in a way, despite the huge financial sacrifice etc. Does anyone else feel like this?

chocolate, i totally understand how you feel. Logging on brings it all back but at the same time it helps that we are all in the same boat (well most of us). You cant win. We are here for you as and when you want us even if its only occasionally.

petal, hope all is well with your handsome little man/men!

Hi everyone else!

[maybebabythree]

Deaks I would have a fourth if it was 100% gauranteed a dd as I think three seems like a nice balance right now. But a dd might convince me to add another to the brood. The more you have the more the cost but just think we would all be living the high life if we had no kids! When we had dave registered the registra said 'oh you almost had your life back' as the boys are four and eight. But I don't want my life back! Working 9-5 for five days a week in a job I only do for the money. I think I'm more forfulled with the mess, poop, pee, sick, Lego and constant star wars than at my career any day. The boys tell me they love me for a start. If money was no object then another boy or two then ivf would be nice. If I had a live in nanny to clear up the Lego!

[Petal]

Maybe, i defo would have another if i could guarentee a girl, i think we should save up and go to cyprus together haha.

How are the girls Inglewood? i would soo love having twins, girls of course and dressing them in matching outfits :-).

Aww deaks, your little baby is a cutie already, just for the record i had all girl guesses for ds3 so people can definatly get it wrong, hang in there hun and wait until 16 weeks. Glad you had a fab holiday, sounds awsome! we had a great time in Ibiza, im suffering the holiday blues at the mo :-(

Babymad, you're definatly not alone when it comes to arguing with your dh, we argue too, i dont feel i can talk to my dh as much as before as i dont want him to think im disappointd with our ds's, when that soo isnt the case, i just feel its easier sometimes to keep my gd feelings to myself. After seeing inglewoods girls i keep dreaming of a 4th, they are truly lovely :-).

2monkeyboys, glad your dh has changed his behaviour, sometimes it takes a bloody good row to make them realise what good wifes/girlriends they have!!!

Charlie, hope you are ok, thinking of you too!

Hi and hugs to you all x x

[Inglewood]

Hi all,

Hope ur all well?

Just a quickie! All well here, getting used to the sleep deprivation (I think) lol and they have some nights better than others. So glad I chose to bottle feed, NO WAY could I personally BF twins. Dh loves them so much and said he would of hated to of missed out on helping with them. He's smitten after years of never being fussed for a girl he's def in love, as he always is with our babies, but the twins are super! Double fun.

They feed 2oz milk every 3hrs and don't feed at the same time (mostly) which is ok now, but soon I hope they feed together so I can get out better. My eye infection still bothering me, so went to gp and got diff eye drops. Even tho I've been OCD with my wound I have an infection, so got antibotics for that :( due to this and babies still have cords on, the MW coming back monday. They were weighed yest now 5bs 7 and 5lbs 9. From 5lbs 14 and half oz and 6 lbs half oz.

My mum had the boys overnight, so decided to brave a trip out and went out to tesco today, meant to be for a 'few' things and ended up £80 and then we fancied a Mcd's taking in turns to eat and feed the twins, ended up a disaster and I burst into tears moments before I went to docs.. about NOTHING!! just cried...oh the hormones....been like that since my milk came in. And the attention they got, got stopped so many times and asked about them!! Better get used to that!

So much for a quickie!! lol Wish I had time to read all your posts properly, hate missing out but promise uwill have my attention soon. xx

[Inglewood]

Deaks, ur fb scan pic looks girly to me! I'm not a great guesser, but skull looks like the girls! look at my photobucket album to see x

[indigoviolet]

Hello all, we are away on hols at the moment and will be away until middle of next week so havnt been on at all, trying to keep up with posts though. we are having a good time out here in the sun (spain) and my mum is giving us lots of lie ins as she gets up with the boys. its my birthday today so off out with dh for a nice meal :) hope you are all going well, miss you all, lots of love xxxxxxx

[deaks66]

Happy birthday indigo!!! lovely to be away for it and get some lie ins and meals out!

Inglewood, glad things well at your end. Your twins are super gorge though i ban myself from looking at their photos TOO much!! ha ha! Thanks for your girly uplift! DS3's skull kinda similar to my boys but just a tiny bit more upright at the forhead but hardly. I have to say i dont put much weight on skull guesses and what really annoys me is that many people seem to pass on the wrong info (or perhaps im just totally wrong?!!). The orginial info on skulls states that females go upright at the forehead and male ones curve right back. Most people seem to be saying the opposite to the original info that was posted. Anyway, glad thats off my chest!! But please someone tell me if i have that totally wrong!!! Ha ha!

Where oh where is littlemiss?????

[chocolate]

Deaks, I didnt realise that about the skull guesses, I thought this one was shaped more like a girl but was wrong.

I had the scan and def. all boy, dont feel much different though in emotions, have dealt with the gd now I think. I got some nice comments, but a few '3 boys, your mad' and that was from a mum of 2 girls, smug bitch pmsl! I know what they mean though as would think the same in their shoes, my mum said 'glad all is healthy and boys are not so bad ........ kinda annoyed me a bit but I know she said in a way to acknowledge she knows Im a bit disappointed. The worst was my OH's nan 'oh what a shame' but quickly followed by 'never mind, he'll be welcomed'.
I think I announced something like 'phew scan today and all is healthy and is my 3rd boy Ive always thought Id have' and mainly got congratulations really, nothing relating to a girl but most know me too well lol.

Anyway, thats my update, hope everyone here finds happiness and contentness wether that is a boy/girl/just appreciating and being happy with what they have. We will have a 4th but from now on class myself as never having a daughter, pgd ivf is off after thinking about all that money and using it for our current children etc. and Im fine with that decision, nice dream while it lasted.
Still have moments, OH had a strop about not buying something he wanted 'I never get anything' to which I said 'your having a strop over having to wait 3months for something, I will NEVER get a daughter, ever ever ever' and this shut him up :-) GD has some little advantages lol.

Anyway just wanted to update you all and wish you all luck xx

[deaks66]

Chocolate, glad your scan went well and that you are doing well on the gd front. I am in the process of starting to deal with it now too and feeling better every day.

Here is the link to the skull thing For fun - Skull shape tells gender 92% accurate - In-Gender.com (http://www.in-gender.com/cs/forums/t/128026.aspx?PageIndex=1)

In profile a females forehead should in theory be more upright. But like i say ive seen as many of each gender with either! When people talk about a females being rounder they are right but not in the sense of a profile shot which at 12 weeks is what we would be guessing on iykwim?! This would be wrong info from this angle IMO

[Inglewood]

Deaks, I didn't see anything 'obvious' either iykwim from ur scan pic on fb. I'm no good on skull theory, just thought the shape did look like the girls and Fx that's because it's a pink bubba! xx

[deaks66]

Deaks, I didn't see anything 'obvious' either iykwim from ur scan pic on fb. I'm no good on skull theory, just thought the shape did look like the girls and Fx that's because it's a pink bubba! xx

Thanks hun though you may think differently if you see my other two pics on the ultrasound guessing forum!

[deaks66]

Right here is ds2's skull (left) and dc3 (right)....what do you think? skull obsessing is taking over nubsessing tonight...humour me!

[littlemisswilko]

hiya girls! sorry i have been awol! everything is fine my side! thanks for ur pms deaks, sunset but i have just been so busy over Easter. plus i feel my gd is worse when im regularly coming on here.

The scan was fine and yes its another little by but surprisingly im totally fine with it and so excited to meet him. Altho all my symptoms were different from my boys i just knew it was a he. i suppose i came to terms with it being another boy from my 12week scan pic. i was sure they were boyish looking bits so cried all my tears before finding out for definite and i can honestly say i havent shed 1 tear since finding out. im just so excited about the prospect of having another little baby that i dont care what it is. my friend the other day pointed out how close my two boys were and how her girl and boy dont share anything in common at all and i felt so happy! now i have the excitement of my 3 boys sharing so much in common that having a girl can wait (for now)

sunset - still definitely up for a meet. maby we could meet up a stewarts park sometime when the weather starts to look better

inglewood your girls are adorable so jealous!!! i carnt wait for the sleepless nights and nappy changes!!! dont like the bit about your body couldnt handle the 3 sections. ive been given my section date which is the 13th august thankfully its not a friday, so ill be 39+3 weeks. i hope i dont suffer alot. she told me they try and get you out after 24 hrs after the section which i think is terrible i thought 48 hrs was just about right but 24 hrs is taking the piss, i certainly wasnt ready 24 hrs afer both my sections. She did ask me if i wanted to try nautrally which i would but im too scared this ones going to be another big one like his brothers which puts me off so weve agreed that if by some miracal i come into labour befre my section date then i may try for a natural but both my boys were lazy so i have no faith in this one coming early.

deaks thanks for the inbox :) glad your scan went well...

[deaks66]

Just a quicky to say hi littlemiss, so so glad all went well at scan and you are doing ok. Great to hear from you and we all understand that sometimes we need time away from smog etc.

Hi everyone else. DS2's party today so cant stop. X

[maybebabythree]

Glad your ok little miss! Congrates on your boy!


We are at weymouth this weekend and dh forgot mine and the boys clothes! Went to buy more today and there was a mum of three girls in matalan. They were all screaming for a new dress. One being dragged along as she was having a hissy fit. So three boys = fighting and three girls = hissy fits made me feel smug for once. At least mine don't cry and throw themselves on the floor and refuse to budge (they did at two - I always walked off and left them).

[maybebabythree]

Inglewood I am a mess when my mill comes in. I get super broody and tell everyone I need another baby! I want to grab all the babies in the maternity ward! I cry to see a cup of tea! So your not alone. I think I need tO be sectioned under the mental health act for the first week or so!

Petal when I win the lottery I will pay for us to go to Cyprus ;-)

Dave weighs ten pounds now! Getting his tounge tie cut tomorrow :-( I have been expressing in the hope feeding can start again pain free soon. Mind you I'm having a drink or two on my trip and it's lovely to have some wine. Yum yum!

[indigoviolet]

Littlemiss and chocolate, congrats on your boys. I'm so glad you are dealing with it well. I am feeling so so much better too, long may it last! I think 3 boys will be brilliant, we just have to keep telling eachother that. Great babies are healthy.

Maybe, great that dave getting his tongue done finally, I'm sure it will make a difference but it may take a few days for him to relearn like it did with my ds2. I thought it'd get better right away and was a bit disappointed that it took a while. Hang in there, you are doing brilliantly!

Love to the rest of you, thinking of you all :HH:

[2monkeyboys]

Hi ladies,
Just a quickie to say hi as off to bed. Hope you have all had a good weekend. Sorry you didn't hear girl little miss but glad you have the support from everyone here. I looked after my neice today who is 18mths. She is a right little cutie in her cream fur coat and ugg boots. She kept calling me mum so although she looks nothing at all like me or the boys I think people thought she was mine. I had my little moment of smogness which nice while it lasted. Also finally decided to bite the bullet and get ds2 in pants. He had a few little accidents but has done very well so I'm so pleased with him.
Love to all
Xxxx

[pinga]

Hi there,

Congratulations on your little boy Littlemiss... you sound like you're in a good place.

Maybe - DS1 had his tongue tie snipped and he was a 35weeker (so a poor feeder). But the tongue tie being snipped helped soooo much with the pain!!! Good luck!

Deaks - try not to obsess too much! Its really not good for your sanity!! :D Only 6 weeks til you can find out? Are you?

Took the kids to see The Wiggles last week and I think DS1 was completely weirded out by the fact that the Wiggles were there in real life and not just on the TV!! :)

Absolutely shattered here... this pregnancy is wiping me out!!! Looking forward to the babys arrival. I love parts of being pregnant but the tiredness is just so hard this time... it doesn't help that DS1 still wakes up at 5.30am most mornings!

oh those of you expecting soon... how are you going with names! We are having a bit of a nightmare!!! DH and I like the same types of names but we just can't chose anything!!!!!! Arghhhhhh....

[Sunset]

At least mine don't cry and throw themselves on the floor and refuse to budge (they did at two - I always walked off and left them).

I've tried walking away from ds2 when he does this but unless i've got ALL day there's really no point as he actually doesn't budge. Once I decided to see how far I could walk before he actually got up himself but i had abandon that idea as well when strangers started asking ds2 where his mummy was :rofl:

[Sunset]

hiya ladies! hope you're all doing okay and have had a good easter. We've been so busy these last 2 weeks i haven't had much time to go online.

Littlemisswilko ~ congratulations on your little man! it sounds like you are in a very good place! we will definitely have to arrange a meet up soon :) I'm free on most weekdays after 12pm and can always do a weekend if that's easier.

Maybebaby ~ glad to hear your little one is having his tongue tie sorted finally. It might still take a few days for him to relearn how to feed properly, but once it's healed it should get much easier for the both of you :)

Pinga ~ sounds like you're in a good place too :) have you decided on a name yet?

2monkeys ~ keep popping on to update us hun!

Deaks ~ i'm really no good with nubs but i guess girl based on the skull. how are you feeling now?

hello to everyone else! *big waves*

[Sunset]

APRIL Thread

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/9962-uk-smog-wannabes-april.html#post176366

[clarabell]

Hello, I would like to join the fun and introduce myself. I have three boys, the youngest is 6 months and very cute, kissable and a happy boy, but still I dream of having a girl one day. I read all your sways and think wow, no wonder I had boys as I didn't TAKE NEARLY ENOUGH SUPPLEMENTS, MY dh DID NOTHING (OTHER THAN THE OBVIOUS) No wooden spoon or pink outfit, moon must have been wrong and ions??? The only ironing I do involves a board , and way tooooooo much of that. I did suffer with GD when I found out I was having DS3, I think how will I cope if I have another boy. I am not able to talk to my DH he doesn't understand at all. The other day he freaked out and said he didn't think he wanted another one full stop. I have found this so hard to cope with and feel now all my hopes will be shattered. I have been even thinking how could I do it without his concent. Yes so wrong I know. Plus I'm far to honest for my own good. I try and have faith that what will be will be and all for the best. Some times I resent him for not giving me what ever I want (spoilt I know) I don't want him to have control of opur future like this, but then I think I have to drop it for the sake of my boys. Has anyone else been in this position? Then I think if I don't mention it for a while he may forget, then I could have an accident? Or maybe I need to find another man, not easy I know. Maybe I have totally lost the plot and it becomes an obsession? Congrats to all you with BFP. Sorry for the rant x

[Sunset]

Hi Clarabell welcome! it's nice to have you onboard! come join us on the april thread :)

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/9962-uk-smog-wannabes-april.html#post176366

[deaks66]

Hi all, just a quick pop on. Just had another scan. All well with baby and sonographer certain it is a boy.... i saw it myself too. A few tears right now but know i will be ok much quicker than with ds2 :(

[deaks66]

Clarabell, welcome! This morning i totally know how you feel. I dont really want a fourth baby in the furture and im sure dh will be deadset against it anyway, so i need to find a way to stop obsessing about it all and enjoy what i have and stop acting spoilt because im not happy with what i dont have. So hard to control these feelings. Wish someone had the answer. I feel so blessed and so sad all at the same time.

[maybebabythree]

Deaks - come over to April :¬)

where did you get your scan? Its very early for them to be sure unless you had it done by the best (harley street, Dr Penman in Kent etc). Anyway boys are fab which we all know, but its ok to feel sad too. We have all been trying and thinking pink too long to be 'oh well I never really cared anyway it's going to take time. Besides we do all care or we wouldn't be here.

[clarabell]

Deaks - I wish you lots of luck with the pregnancy. congrats. Did you do the huge sway thing and the LE diet ? I only know about all this stuff, in more detail, since ds3, although I sort of swayed with the last two. I convince myself that my sways were half hearted and based on the shettels mthod of timing which clearly didn't sway pink. It makes me think from reading all these posts that many people work very hard on their sways with every element covered yet they still get blue, so does it really work? I'm sure your little man will be lovely and like it has been said yes we do care and why? I don't know, wish there were answers. Another friend has just had a gril after two boys, I am the only one with all boys and they don't seem to mind either way. Doesn't seem fair, yet I know we are truely blessed. Does anyone else balme their husbands at times when they piss you off?

[maybebabythree]

clarabell - come and join us on the April thread x