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February 2nd, 2013, 11:01 PM #11Dream Vet
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which doctor are u referring to 80% splits?
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February 3rd, 2013, 08:36 AM #12
Dr P- NBP posted this link to the article- http://genderdreaming.com/forum/atta...rm-sorting.pdf
Can't wait to hear your thoughts.
GT77- The article was written by Dr Savvas from Genesis in Cyprus. He is the one we were referring to.Last edited by Wanting a daughter; February 3rd, 2013 at 08:38 AM.
8 6 wishing for a
Cycle 1 HRC in June 2011- cancelled cycle, no response at all.
Cycle 2 at SART start stims Oct 10th Another cancelled cycle. No response.
Cycle 3 at SART, started stims Dec 31st, cancelled AGAIN.
Cycle 4 Donor eggs in South Africa May 2012, freezing and shipping to USA for PGD
FET- 19th July- NT (only 2 normals, both boys)
Cycle 5 Last shot- donor eggs at Genesis- Cyprus using his sperm sort, Jan 2013 BFN
FET Feb 2013 BFP Miscarriage @ 6 wks.
FET June 2013. On metaformin now for Insulin resistance. Mental health starting to border on insanity now. BFN
FET July 2013. Last embie BFN
Cycle 6 Really truly last shot- Donor eggs HRC, planned all freeze Feb, 7XX frozen immune treatment for me
FET May 2014 BFP Miscarriage @ 8 weeks
FET Nov 2014 BFP Miscarriage @ 12 weeks
FET Oct 2015 BFP Blighted ovum confirmed @ 8 weeks. Miscarriage.
SURROGACY!!!!! FET 1xx Feb 4th BFP, HB seen
My precious baby girl arrived Oct 19th 2016
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February 3rd, 2013, 01:16 PM #13Moderator
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I read the article. It is well written. It seems to provide sufficient detail for us to try to reproduce it. I have forwarded it to my laboratory team (Charlotte Khoury and Barry Behr http://www.havingbabies.com/about-hrc/staff/barry-behr/ ) to have them examine it and see if they feel that we can create a trial. I remain skeptical though.
My other comments on the trial are:
1. It is very small
2. The outcome that they are measuring (FISH results) is not the actual outcome that we care about (i.e. the gender ratio of live born normal babies or even embryos). It seems odd that would not have carried it one step further and shown that using sperm treated in this manner also changes the gender ratio of the resulting embryos.
3. The shots that the authors take at MicroSort safety are completely groundless and obviously motivated by their desire to discredit their competitor there on Cyprus.
4. If it does work, it does not work for the reasons that they speculate on in the article. Not buying the ‘difference in mass’ story that they are trying to sell.Last edited by Dr. Potter; February 11th, 2013 at 04:18 AM.
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February 3rd, 2013, 01:37 PM #14IVF Advice Coach
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I'm sure we could come up with some volunteers for the trial from here! Congrats on the soon to be new addition to your family! What a surprise!!
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February 3rd, 2013, 05:13 PM #15Dream Vet
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I found someone in NY that does this Dr. Masood Khatamee! Granted I am skeptical also, but u never know!
And, dr. silverman does the eriscsson. And, I know these are not 100% but still a hope! I think silverman uses clomid & Khatameel method u do not need clomid. I do not know anything about any of these methods but it is worth exploring.
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February 3rd, 2013, 05:15 PM #16Dream Vet
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they also say if u sway for a girl at the same time that you do this method it increases your odds. Who knows what works!! I know PGD is a sure thing, but u still have no idea how many embryos of girls you will get from 1 cycle. So, IVF is still risky when your someone like me who is paying out of pocket.
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February 3rd, 2013, 05:18 PM #17IVF Advice Coach
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Ericsson and this spinning is not the same. Ericsson works under the premise that boy sperm are faster swimmers than female and it utilizes a swim-down procedure. Ericsson has never been studied outside of Ericsson and I am certain there is a reason for that- they know it doesn't really do anything!
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February 3rd, 2013, 10:08 PM #18
Dr P- please keep us updated on your trial idea. As NBP said, there won't be a shortage of volunteers...
8 6 wishing for a
Cycle 1 HRC in June 2011- cancelled cycle, no response at all.
Cycle 2 at SART start stims Oct 10th Another cancelled cycle. No response.
Cycle 3 at SART, started stims Dec 31st, cancelled AGAIN.
Cycle 4 Donor eggs in South Africa May 2012, freezing and shipping to USA for PGD
FET- 19th July- NT (only 2 normals, both boys)
Cycle 5 Last shot- donor eggs at Genesis- Cyprus using his sperm sort, Jan 2013 BFN
FET Feb 2013 BFP Miscarriage @ 6 wks.
FET June 2013. On metaformin now for Insulin resistance. Mental health starting to border on insanity now. BFN
FET July 2013. Last embie BFN
Cycle 6 Really truly last shot- Donor eggs HRC, planned all freeze Feb, 7XX frozen immune treatment for me
FET May 2014 BFP Miscarriage @ 8 weeks
FET Nov 2014 BFP Miscarriage @ 12 weeks
FET Oct 2015 BFP Blighted ovum confirmed @ 8 weeks. Miscarriage.
SURROGACY!!!!! FET 1xx Feb 4th BFP, HB seen
My precious baby girl arrived Oct 19th 2016
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February 4th, 2013, 08:35 AM #19Dream Vet
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I am one of the ladies who has first hand experience of dr Savvas sperm sort.
I had 2 xy and 6 xx after the sort. Ive only seen one lady who the sort didn't seem to work for.
All the other ladies had a 70% desired gender sort and more often a lot higher than that!
He can't be making lab work and results up as someone suggested.
So something is obviously working as again I have the two perfect girls he transferred sat eatimg lunch right now5 gorgeous 's
And my beautiful genesis Cyprus born May 12
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February 4th, 2013, 10:13 AM #20
Is icsi used with the sperm sort? I am thinking any study results on gender split of embryos where icsi is used may be skewed due to the fact that human intervention is involved. When embryologists are using icsi in creating embryos, are there specific criteria they use to choose which sperm to grab and inject into the egg?
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