I'm back after failed sway.

Hi ladies. Hope you are all well. Some of you may remember me, I haven't been around for a few months as I was taking time out with my new baby boy, who is a gorgeous bundle of joy. We have now decided to try one last time for another little girl and want a similar age gap to our two youngest boys so I will be looking to start ttc from September. We want another summer baby so will only look to conceive up until around December then if no luck we will try again the same months next year. I am definitely going to do cardio this time around even if I can only manage to do it the minimum 4 times a week. With regards to diet I have been eating a lot of white bread and crumpets, white and sweet potatoes, white rice and lot of low carb veg/salad. I wondered whether I should change the white carbs to wholegrain? I eat twice a day and have coffee with a little milk with my meals. What is the recommendation now with sugar? Is that OK in my coffee or should I use sweetners instead? I will not be limiting salt and instead of normal biscuits I have bought some gluten free ones, they are only little so will have 2 every day and I also have 1 banana a day, I also have some snapea rice sticks which are gluten free, I am assuming that is all OK? I have also been taking 2 raspberry ketones a day, is that OK or should I stop that? I will add fiber this week. I am not going to track on nutrients, use opks and am going to limit my time spent on here as I feel last time all of that made me obsess about swaying, I want to be relaxed about my sway this time. Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure that I'm doing it right :-) oh and I also have the odd glass of wine/beer, a few times a week I would say :-) thanks in advance for any help :-)

Hi! I was thinking of you the other day! Congrats on the new baby, I honestly have no advice for another sway, you are a very brave lady! I don't think I could go thru it again lol. I don't know the sex yet of my baby, but not getting my hopes up. I read failed sways and honestly couldn't believe these women had boy outcomes. I wish you the best in the future.

Hi. Its nice to hear from you. How are you doing? Congratulations on baby :-) I know lol I'm scared and excited about the prospect of swaying again but I think if I didn't try one more time with a few changes then I would regret it, I don't feel I did all I could with my last sway and I kind of think I went into it too quickly. When will you be finding out gender? Will keep everything crossed for you that its another little girl :-)

I've been thinking about you! How is your sweet boy?

Your plan looks good! My gut instinct is telling me to have you drop the raspberry ketones when you TTC. Atomic will chime in I'm sure! Sugar on your coffee is fine with meals. In between meals it's considered a cheat but people have gotten girls while doing it- it's your call. I wouldn't switch to wholegrains unless you have PCOS or you stop or start gaining weight on the traditional LE diet.

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Hi! Congrats on your gorgeous boy :*

I have some conflicting thoughts: I know, in general, atomic's not an "eat this food/don't eat this food" adviser, and I know that the traditional "POTASSIUM FOR BOYS" bit isn't as strongly supported by other things, but I do wonder about the excess of bananas, potatoes and sweet potatoes maaaaybe being something to be more moderate on (a banana a day, imo, still would fall into not so moderate?)

Granted, if you're not pairing these things with protein, the emphasis on pure carb might still be swaying pink. Not so sure about the emphasis on low carb veggies, as well. Also, if you have no medical reason to, gluten doesn't sway one way or the other to my knowledge, so going gluten free for a pink sway wouldn't be necessary?

I honestly think your sway was one of best I seen! I hope you get your girl next :)

I think with history of sway opposite, it's always a wise idea to try wholegrains and fruit and veg instead of refined white grains, and more of a PCO-type profile (so you up intake of pro and fat to 50-60 g at the same cal. level which effortlessly makes you have fewer carbs without having to even think about it)

If you are breastfeeding I want you at 3 meals a day minimum and more like 1800-2000 cals.

Check carb level on the Snapeas and biscuits because they may be too sugary for an alt. PCOS type LE Diet.

I do not know how the rasp. ketones sway and hesitate to use them. If you feel like you want to use something for blood sugar then I'd do cinnamon (only if not breastfeeding) 1/4 teaspoon from AF-O, 1/8 teaspoon during LP, then back to dietary amounts only at BFP.

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Hi! Congrats on your gorgeous boy :*

I have some conflicting thoughts: I know, in general, atomic's not an "eat this food/don't eat this food" adviser, and I know that the traditional "POTASSIUM FOR BOYS" bit isn't as strongly supported by other things, but I do wonder about the excess of bananas, potatoes and sweet potatoes maaaaybe being something to be more moderate on (a banana a day, imo, still would fall into not so moderate?)

Granted, if you're not pairing these things with protein, the emphasis on pure carb might still be swaying pink. Not so sure about the emphasis on low carb veggies, as well. Also, if you have no medical reason to, gluten doesn't sway one way or the other to my knowledge, so going gluten free for a pink sway wouldn't be necessary?

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On LE Diet we NEED those foods to compensate. The mineral balancing diets have people doing tons of dairy foods and getting gobs of potassium that way. So in order for them to stick in their limits for potassium, they have to cut out all potasium foods. We do not have that problem on LE Diet since not doing the tons of dairy, and in fact most people have trouble getting ENOUGH potassium, thus, the potassium rich foods are not forbidden and actually may need to be encouraged and eaten MORE often because you can die from not getting enough potassium. 2500-3500 mg a day is the amount of potassium everyone needs and that is the same on all the sway diets because it's what the body needs.

For reasons we do not yet understand we have seen some good results with gluten free for pink. Now that having been said, we have ALSO seen good results with the alt. PCOS-type diets for pink, and whenever someone has had a sway opposite I do think it makes sense to switch it up to a more PCO-friendly diet. Gluten free diets can sometimes be too carby for PCOS. You CAN do gluten free with the atomic fertility diet and have the best ofboth worlds though and in that case, you'd use things like sweet potato, white potato, and white rice as starches (for reasons we do not understand, they are better tolerated with PCO-tendencies and IR than processed wheat, sugar, starchy foods) and be both gluten free and PCO-friendly and this is what I'd recommend for anyone who thinks they may have both PCO tendencies and also gluten sensitivities. I don't want anyone going hog wild with the gluten free foods if they have any potential IR issues though because they are super carby.
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I've been thinking about you! How is your sweet boy?

Your plan looks good! My gut instinct is telling me to have you drop the raspberry ketones when you TTC. Atomic will chime in I'm sure! Sugar on your coffee is fine with meals. In between meals it's considered a cheat but people have gotten girls while doing it- it's your call. I wouldn't switch to wholegrains unless you have PCOS or you stop or start gaining weight on the traditional LE diet.

I'll be seeing you around [emoji6]! FX and GL to you!!



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I think anyone who got a boy opposite on standard LE should give the PCO-type LE Diets a try. Def. something we can change and the only risk is that weight will fly off.

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On LE Diet we NEED those foods to compensate. The mineral balancing diets have people doing tons of dairy foods and getting gobs of potassium that way. So in order for them to stick in their limits for potassium, they have to cut out all potasium foods. We do not have that problem on LE Diet since not doing the tons of dairy, and in fact most people have trouble getting ENOUGH potassium, thus, the potassium rich foods are not forbidden and actually may need to be encouraged and eaten MORE often because you can die from not getting enough potassium. 2500-3500 mg a day is the amount of potassium everyone needs and that is the same on all the sway diets because it's what the body needs.

For reasons we do not yet understand we have seen some good results with gluten free for pink. Now that having been said, we have ALSO seen good results with the alt. PCOS-type diets for pink, and whenever someone has had a sway opposite I do think it makes sense to switch it up to a more PCO-friendly diet. Gluten free diets can sometimes be too carby for PCOS. You CAN do gluten free with the atomic fertility diet and have the best ofboth worlds though and in that case, you'd use things like sweet potato, white potato, and white rice as starches (for reasons we do not understand, they are better tolerated with PCO-tendencies and IR than processed wheat, sugar, starchy foods) and be both gluten free and PCO-friendly and this is what I'd recommend for anyone who thinks they may have both PCO tendencies and also gluten sensitivities. I don't want anyone going hog wild with the gluten free foods if they have any potential IR issues though because they are super carby.
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Very interesting on the gluten free! I wonder if, in some weird way, it has to do with gluten technically being a protein...

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I've been thinking about you! How is your sweet boy?

Your plan looks good! My gut instinct is telling me to have you drop the raspberry ketones when you TTC. Atomic will chime in I'm sure! Sugar on your coffee is fine with meals. In between meals it's considered a cheat but people have gotten girls while doing it- it's your call. I wouldn't switch to wholegrains unless you have PCOS or you stop or start gaining weight on the traditional LE diet.

I'll be seeing you around [emoji6]! FX and GL to you!!



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My gorgeous boy is fab thank you for asking :-) how is your little one doing? I see you are swaying again also, good luck to you, I hope you get your girl this time around :-) thank you for the info, just trying to get everything straight in my head again so I know what I've got to do :-)

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

I think with history of sway opposite, it's always a wise idea to try wholegrains and fruit and veg instead of refined white grains, and more of a PCO-type profile (so you up intake of pro and fat to 50-60 g at the same cal. level which effortlessly makes you have fewer carbs without having to even think about it)

If you are breastfeeding I want you at 3 meals a day minimum and more like 1800-2000 cals.

Check carb level on the Snapeas and biscuits because they may be too sugary for an alt. PCOS type LE Diet.

I do not know how the rasp. ketones sway and hesitate to use them. If you feel like you want to use something for blood sugar then I'd do cinnamon (only if not breastfeeding) 1/4 teaspoon from AF-O, 1/8 teaspoon during LP, then back to dietary amounts only at BFP.

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Thank you atomic. I have looked at the pcos diet thread and I was wondering if I should just follow what I have been doing but substitute the white carbs for wholegrain instead, eat less bread and focus more on the veg instead? Is that right? What are good foods for increasing protein? I know you have listed a few things but those foods were the kind of things I was eating with my boys. I worry about getting too bogged down with things so want something as simple as possible. I would be sticking to the 2 meals as I am not BF, was thinking along the lines of brown rice and veg/baked potato for one meal and for the other 2 slices of wholegrain bread with a banana and some salad. I'm thinking that would not be in the principles of the pcos diet? Sorry for all the questions :-) I am on birth control so I'm hoping that will help my sway when the time comes :-)

I wasn't sure how to tell if they are too sugary so thought I would put it here, the snapea crackers have 12.2g carbs of which 0.4g are sugars, that is per packet. And the biscuits are 5.4g carbs of which 1.5g are sugars, per biscuit, I feel thats probably in the range of too high? What sort of numbers should I be looking for when deciding if something is too high in carbs? Sorry if I'm trying to be too specific, it may just be easier for me to stick with what I know is OK and just leave it at that lol.

I got a boy on standard LE diet but a girl with the PCOS diet+daily exercise. I bought a treadmill off craigslist and put it in my garage, then I could work out early in the morning or late at night when all the kids were asleep. I think daily cardio was key to my little girl.

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I got a boy on standard LE diet but a girl with the PCOS diet+daily exercise. I bought a treadmill off craigslist and put it in my garage, then I could work out early in the morning or late at night when all the kids were asleep. I think daily cardio was key to my little girl.

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Thank you. What foods were you eating? As I have read the pcos diet thread but I'm feeling a little overwhelmed by it, it kind of scares me to eat things that I didn't eat last time on LE diet, even though I ended up with a boy anyway. I am definitely going to commit to exercise this time :-)

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Sorry to ask another question but would this bread be OK for girl sway? I know there are no forbidden foods but I eat bread every day and thats how I get through the day so don't want to stop having it but does this bread fit in boy territory?

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Very interesting on the gluten free! I wonder if, in some weird way, it has to do with gluten technically being a protein...

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I have reason to suspect that autoimmune disorders flaring up may sway blue. Thus someone gluten sensitive who finds this out between, for example, DS 2 and their planned DC 3 and goes onto a gluten free diet, may end up quieting down this autoimmune response triggered by gluten and since it's also often a more restrictive diet, end up being more likely to conceive a girl.

One of the many things I'd love to have money to study.

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Thank you atomic. I have looked at the pcos diet thread and I was wondering if I should just follow what I have been doing but substitute the white carbs for wholegrain instead, eat less bread and focus more on the veg instead? Is that right? What are good foods for increasing protein? I know you have listed a few things but those foods were the kind of things I was eating with my boys. I worry about getting too bogged down with things so want something as simple as possible. I would be sticking to the 2 meals as I am not BF, was thinking along the lines of brown rice and veg/baked potato for one meal and for the other 2 slices of wholegrain bread with a banana and some salad. I'm thinking that would not be in the principles of the pcos diet? Sorry for all the questions :-) I am on birth control so I'm hoping that will help my sway when the time comes :-)

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I also want you to up protein and fat intake though. Even whole grains may be too carby if you're eating too many of them and by upping pro and fat intake that's a way to ensure you're getting the cals to get and stay pregnant while not aggravating any PCOtendencies.

But yes overall that is a good start, just going to wholegrains and eating less sugar and bread, more fruit and veg.

You are going to eat some of the same foods you ate with your boys. That is fine. All the people out there in the world walking around who have had both boys and girls effortlessly without even thinking about it, did not ever have two totally separate diets that they followed when they ahd a boy or a girl.

Even if not BF you can still have 3 meals. Do what works better for you.

Without seeing cals, protein, and fat added up I can't sign off on that type of diet. I need to be sure you're getting enough. it would be a PCO-type diet, for sure, but we need to be sure you're eating enough.

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I wasn't sure how to tell if they are too sugary so thought I would put it here, the snapea crackers have 12.2g carbs of which 0.4g are sugars, that is per packet. And the biscuits are 5.4g carbs of which 1.5g are sugars, per biscuit, I feel thats probably in the range of too high? What sort of numbers should I be looking for when deciding if something is too high in carbs? Sorry if I'm trying to be too specific, it may just be easier for me to stick with what I know is OK and just leave it at that lol.

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You have to look at it in the context of what else you are eating. In isolation those things actually could be a part of a PCO-type diet, but if you were eating ONLY those things you'd end up with a lot of carbs pretty quick. Does that make sense?? If you were eating like, an egg and some full fat dairy and a couple prawns and then having those to help increase calories, then that would be ok. But if you were eating pop tarts, white bread sandwiches, and then adding those onto that, it would be too carby. I know it's a bit hard to envision but you're just trying to be sure you are getting enough pro and fat and then keeping the carbs as a duller roar than on the standard LE.

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Sorry to ask another question but would this bread be OK for girl sway? I know there are no forbidden foods but I eat bread every day and thats how I get through the day so don't want to stop having it but does this bread fit in boy territory?

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It depends on how much you eat and what else you're eating.

If you ate a loaf of bread a day that's too carby. But using 1 piece of that bread to make a small sandwich with lots of veggies and some nice cheese would be ok. See the difference???

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It depends on how much you eat and what else you're eating.

If you ate a loaf of bread a day that's too carby. But using 1 piece of that bread to make a small sandwich with lots of veggies and some nice cheese would be ok. See the difference???

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Yes I'm with you :-) I think lol its quite difficult to get my head around this diet from the other diet, I would say I would probably have 2 small slices of that bread a day with salad, a banana, some of those snapea crackers and maybe one or two of the gluten free biscuits then for my tea some brown rice with a baked potato and maybe some added veg. I quite like to eat the same things daily so that I know I'm doing it right. I was eating a lot of white bread and crumpets and doing standard LE up until today so just trying to get my head around this diet so I apologise for all the questions :-) I do have alopecia so I wonder if that went against me on the standard LE on my last sway.

Please don't apologize Mandy, that is what I'm here for.

We have had good luck with sway opposites on standard LE, switching to the alt. diets and thus that's why i recommend that. It's working for us to do it that way, I'm not just trying to torture you for no reason. :)

OK so yesterday I had 2 small slices of the seeded bread that I bought with some salad, a little chicken and a banana. Then for my tea I had egg fried rice (brown rice and using 2 egg whites) with some mushrooms and peppers and a baked potato, I had 2 cups of coffee with a little bit of semi skimmed milk and a can of diet coke. Am I heading along the right lines with this? I'm feeling that its a little low on fat and protein? I quite like to eat reduced fat coleslaw which I could maybe add a little to on salads?

You need to do full fat dairy only on the alt. diets. there is something in even semi-skim that is really bad for blood sguar.

I do think you need more fat and possibly more protein (hard for me to sign off on things like this since I cannot see your portions)

Coleslaw is great. Please use full fat becaue many reduced fat products are high in carbs and "frankenfoods"

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

I have reason to suspect that autoimmune disorders flaring up may sway blue. Thus someone gluten sensitive who finds this out between, for example, DS 2 and their planned DC 3 and goes onto a gluten free diet, may end up quieting down this autoimmune response triggered by gluten and since it's also often a more restrictive diet, end up being more likely to conceive a girl.

One of the many things I'd love to have money to study.

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I had undiagnosed hypothyroidism with my 2 boys but was properly medicated when I got my girl. I think that player a role.

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You need to do full fat dairy only on the alt. diets. there is something in even semi-skim that is really bad for blood sguar.

I do think you need more fat and possibly more protein (hard for me to sign off on things like this since I cannot see your portions)

Coleslaw is great. Please use full fat becaue many reduced fat products are high in carbs and "frankenfoods"

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OK great thank you :-) I know for those with pcos they should avoid caffeine, so does that mean if someone without pcos is following the pcos diet that they should also avoid caffeine? I will tot up my macros tomorrow and see where they are coming in at, as long as I'm eating the right sorts of foods?

Just to clarify as well its just the calories I have to count in the banana and potatoes that I eat is that right? What about blueberries and strawberries? Are those calories only? Thank you :-)

Yep. Calories only for those foods!



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Sorry for yet another question but is wholegrain popcorn OK on this diet? I think I'm getting the hang of the diet now for the most part, I stick to just one slice of wholegrain bread a day now instead of about 4 slices of white bread and 2 crumpets lol didn't realise how many carbs I was eating. Cut my carbs down massively just finding it hard to make sure I'm eating enough fat and protein.

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OK great thank you :-) I know for those with pcos they should avoid caffeine, so does that mean if someone without pcos is following the pcos diet that they should also avoid caffeine? I will tot up my macros tomorrow and see where they are coming in at, as long as I'm eating the right sorts of foods?

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No, you can still do caffeine and we have great results with coffee as a sway tactic.

I do not think the "evidence" that PCOSers should avoid caffeine is good anyway.

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Just to clarify as well its just the calories I have to count in the banana and potatoes that I eat is that right? What about blueberries and strawberries? Are those calories only? Thank you :-)

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Low carb veg - free unlimited count nothing.

fruit and high carb veg (potato) - count cals only

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Sorry for yet another question but is wholegrain popcorn OK on this diet? I think I'm getting the hang of the diet now for the most part, I stick to just one slice of wholegrain bread a day now instead of about 4 slices of white bread and 2 crumpets lol didn't realise how many carbs I was eating. Cut my carbs down massively just finding it hard to make sure I'm eating enough fat and protein.

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It's ok, but remember you need to stick in limits!!

Can you give me some ideas of what you are eating for fat and pro, maybe we can help

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It's ok, but remember you need to stick in limits!!

Can you give me some ideas of what you are eating for fat and pro, maybe we can help

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Well yesterday I ate one slice of wholegrain bread with some salad, coleslaw and some humus (around 1 tablespoon of each) plus a banana and coffee (with a little milk in it) then for my tea I ate a portion of brown rice (around 80g which equated to about 175g when cooked) with some broccoli, cauliflower and carrots. I felt full after both of those meals but I do feel its low in fat and protein. I'm looking to make those my staple meals as I enjoy them but obviously I want to make sure I'm eating enough of everything.

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This is what fitness pal said for yesterday, my calories were only 845. My carbs for yesterday were also at 65% so its still what makes up most of my diet!

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One last question, how long in advance should my husband start taking olive leaf extract? I'm suddenly feeling very nervous about my alopecia swaying blue for me, I'm suffering with a bout of hair loss at the moment and I have suffered consistently with it for about 5 years, I know it never comes down to just one thing though.

Please don't worry about this too much- easier said than done I know! I know several ladies IRL that have thinning hair, and even some bald spots, that have girls!

I'm rooting for you Mandy! Hopefully we can be in a due date group together!

When are you thinking of making your first attempt?



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One last question, how long in advance should my husband start taking olive leaf extract? I'm suddenly feeling very nervous about my alopecia swaying blue for me, I'm suffering with a bout of hair loss at the moment and I have suffered consistently with it for about 5 years, I know it never comes down to just one thing though.

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Your alopecia is not what is swaying though. It is the hormones causing it (and if it's true alopecia then it has nothing to do with hormones anyway)

IF it is hormone related then the diet changes are only going to help.

My suspicion, however, is that you're losing hair because you just had a baby!! Around about that time, it's normal to lose a ton of hair (and if you look at my hair you can even see it's got like these layers in it because my hair all fell out in 2008 after DS 3, then in 2010 after DS 4, and then again at the end of 2012 after DD!! IT's called telogenic effluvia and happens to everyone (also can happen after coming off BCP!)

WE need you at 1500-1800 cals, 50-60 g protein, 50-60 g fat. Even if you have to eat meat to get there, that level of food intake is not gonna cut it.

Can you have some butter or margarine?? SAuce for the veggies??