Odds of having boys, girls, mixed gender family- old statistics thread by lindi

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Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush

:agree: EXACTLY! I sometimes feel like people use the stats against us as if we're in a court of law but honestly, the reason we keep them is for the overall trends and NOT the success rates - because the truth is, those of us on this site are very very very likely coming into TTC with much WORSE odds at our DG than the average person walking around out there. In that case, those of us with 3-4-5 B or G to start out with - 50-50 would actually be AN IMPROVEMENT. AFter I got 4 boys over the course of 20 years I was like, heck, I'll TAKE 50-50 and the coin flip at that point, because it's way better than what I probably had to start out with, YK??

Eventually every one of us, if we were to "Duggar it out" would get an opposite doing nothing at all. All we are trying to do with swaying, is make that happen a little sooner instead of a little later, because there are families like this out there (or their female equivalent) The Arndt Family Going from 80% likely to have a girl or boy to 50% likely is STILL an improvement. That we are getting about 75% for boys, 65% for girls, with a pretty safe and easy set of sway tactics, and this number has stayed pretty consistent over time, is HUGE!!

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We had a discussion about stats at work not that long ago, and although stats can be helpful, people often use data to either comfort themselves or stress themselves out. We see it all the time, so i feel your pain! The discussion had to do with a little girl with a heart problem, the parents were very concerned about some of her numbers, but the Dr reassured them, although the numbers help provide a point in time and a history, there is always way more to the story that needs to be examined. He went on to explain, the girl seems fine, her vitals are fine, the overall picture is positive. The dr then went on to explain that people use data in ways that suit them best to create overall comfort or anxiety, (in this case, the little girl could have had amazing numbers but be in the ICU, in which case the parents would have comfort in her numbers and not looked at the other factors, i.e. her health and the fact she was in the ICU).

We also see this with other patients, who are ecstatic that their blood pressure is normal and this equate that with lower to know risk of having a heart attack even though they weight 300+lbs..you are still at risk, there is more to the story then just the bp.

I try to remember this with any type of data, it can provide an indication of something but it never paints the whole picture and certainly does not translate how individual situations will result :-)

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Originally Posted by SpicyTunaSushi

Thanks belleboi. I am so glad you got your little man! And, I was thinking of you and there is one other DGer that has expressed these same thoughts (pretty sure I have seen a pink swayer say the same thing recently but I don't know them as well so can't recall who).

Atomic- I think it is helpful to have this discussion and helpful that you emphasize that it is for trends and not for exact stats. I have participated in studies before and they are so desperate for people to commit all the way through, no matter what the results, to get good data. I don't want to get into a debate about the accuracy of the stats, but since we are approaching the end of the 2014 swayers, it creates this artificial deadline that a certain number of successes (and opposites) should be achieved by the end of the year. If I had results coming in February 15, then there is less pressure, because you think it could balance out by Dec 15. If I looked at dates between (and I won't obsess and do this) July 2013- July 2014, I might see a slightly lower or higher number than 75%, but, they do show overall trends, esp with those who have multiple of one gender.

I do think that the TW theory makes so much sense and is founded in evolutionary science and that is why I am here. Also, following HE tactics made me more fertile (loads of ewcm), higher drive, and easy conceptions. IG just seems like a compilation of OWTs (I've done an IG sway too and felt sick and took 3 cycles to conceive- my longest ever).

I don't want to be obsessive which is why Team Green is hard. I wish my DH wanted to know that way I could just be content with the outcome. I think I'll use this thread and conversation to rest the case and watch the outcome.

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So mentally speaking, let's call it a 2-year project. Instead of looking at it as "there is this imposed deadline at the end of 2014" let's imagine that we're instead keeping stats for 2014-2015 and there would still be time for the pinkies to make a comeback and you still get your boy. :)

I have heard tons of people go through this exact same thing and been through it myself twice and it just doesn't amount to anything. the year I got my 4th son (who arrived on Dec. 2009 so lots of time to watch girl after girl after girl arrive LOL) I felt like there weren't any girls left and I did get a boy. But then in 2012 when my daughter was born, the exact same thing happened, even more so. Tons of girls everywhere I looked and even people who wanted boys were getting girls LOL - but she was still a girl despite all that.

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Ha! You are awesome, Atomic.

Just chiming in as well.. Atomic we kind of touched on this in previous posts.. But regarding breast feeding and conceiving--

I stopped breastfeeding in mid May. And we are planning on conceiving in October. Just from your knowledge or anyone else's experiences, will this be a problem or hinder my swaying for a boy??? I will say that my diet has taken a 180degree turn. When I conceived my girl, I ate fruits and milk, no red meat, almost no veggies, low carbs, low sodium, low fat.. And NOW I eat pretty much only red meats, high protein, high carb, high fat (animal fat, avocado, real butter and olive oil etc) salt everything, alkaline foods like spinach and avocados DAILY as well as TONS of vitamins and prenatals.. It's like night and day difference!!! ALL that being said, will conceiving only 7-8 month postpartum (not BFing) be an issue I should worry about??


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Oh and to clarify, I'm doing alkaline foods as they are healthier for you as well as create a less acidic and more alkaline environment for sperm in general.. Not just the boy spermies since being alkaline doesn't have much to do with solely one sperm gender.


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From May to October, you have nothing to worry about with the breastfeeding.. I wouldn't even give it another thought. Any pink effects will be long gone by then. I do think close conceptions sway pink but no magic bullet to be sure and

It's fine to do alkaline foods if you believe in them (I don't) as long as you aren't basing your whole sway diet on that. There are some people who will cut out red meat even because it's supposedly "acidifying"

Define lots of vitamins and prenatals - more is not always better.

When you say salt, tell me more about this. This is one of those things I do not believe the old-school stuff has right, and I have seen TONS of girls conceived to the people treating Top Ramen as a dietary staple. Salt your food to taste and please don't forcefeed yourself salt, you're only hurting your sway and your helath.

Right now I take a multivit, vit D, potassium, grape seed, b12, folic acid, fish oil and a general prenatal vitamin. And then other supps I'm taking that don't have much to do with swaying are wheat grass, cassava and CLA. I've never been a vit/supplement person so it seems like a lot to me!

As far as salting, I don't use copious amounts of salt now. I just salt in general for meats and eggs etc. I used to avoid salt like it was toxic. So I'm just salting as the average person salts I guess haha if that could even be measured anyways.



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And I'm just switching to a more alkaline diet for its health benefits more than anything. But since I've started actually burnishing my body, my cm has completely changed! -on a side note..

It's 100% more copious and ewcm near and/or over ovulation!! IVE NEVER HAD THIS MUCH CM!!! That has to be a good sign anyways that my body is actually getting nourished since this is what was supposed to be happening.. Tmi :) I'm just kind of excited about it!


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:agree: then that's all good! I sometimes hear horror stories when people say they're eating or taking lots of things so I always try to ask. :)

Multivitamin and prenatal though - over 100% DRV??? I would have you do one or the other