TTC Girl - February 2012

This is long, so don't feel like you have to read it all!!

The ob said the ovaries are going down, there were two cysts on the right and one on the left consistent with being overstimmed. She wants me to stay off this month and will reduce me to 100 clomid next month (she is a different ob from who I used before but in the same practice). She suggested I get more closely monitored somewhere else, but I convinced her to let me come back to her around the time I might be O'ing and she said she would do an u/s b/c there is no way in hell my dh is going to pay for a specialist when frankly it is just for swaying sake, we could just have sex every day of the month and he would be fine with that.) So, I will see if I get a period on my own, if not take the provera, then take the clomid cd 5-9 again. I have an apt set up both March 22 and 29th to look at my ovaries just to see where the folicles are as compared to the opks to get a better idea of when I might ovulate. And we might just have to dtd even more often that month. Hopefully it will work out better this time and we won't totally miss the egg or overstim.

She said vitex is fine.
She also gave me progesterone b/c I asked about it, but she said she doesn't believe that it lengthens lp at all. Does it hurt a pink sway to take it? Do you think I should add that around O time?

I am thinking of using rephresh/sylk this month when not on clomid and just dtd from cd 14-25 just for the hell of it to see if anything happens, although I had those really bad days of eating batches of cookies, pizza, french toast, oatmeal, peanut butter and jelly etc. to appease my dh. Do you think that makes it a no go and I should just wait til next month?

mocha-when do you hear the whole report?

They said my midwife will have it within 2 business days, but I don't have an appt with her until February 22nd. I'm hoping she'll call instead of making me wait until then.

Mocha,I am so happy for you! and am excited about your 12 week scan! In the US we can ask questions and get answers like measurements and so forth. It must be so frustrating not to be able to ask and get answers straight away. I hope your doc calls with the measurements and so forth soon.

Amari, I am glad your doc agreed to keep seeing you. I know I cannot afford an RE for sure. I am not sure what I would do if I had to go to one. My doc did mention we might have to go that route though.

Great news mocha!!!

Amari--so do u not have to take a month off after all?

So happy for you Mocha! If the midwife hasn't called you in a couple of days, I am sure you could call her and just explain your reasons for being anxious to hear some news.

Amari, I don't have advice on progesterone sorry. However, I would not worry about eating those foods. Hell, if we never had an attempt because we worried about some cheats, none of us would ever be able to get pg! GL for Feb and/or March, whatever feels right for you.

thats great mocha!!!

surgena, take another test...lol...its crazy for you to be late like that for no reason....

pink, sorry you feel so down, we have all been there at some point, but the others are right, you have one boy, chances are good your next will be girl, unless you are someone like me who has already had 4 boys in a row, then your chances start to fly out the window.
and if you continue swaying your chances of a girl are increased far more than if you just leave it to fate.
dont through the whole idea away just yet, just take some time out and think about it.
i hope you come to a decision that are truly happy with...:)

how is everyone else?

dannikins... I did, :(... tonight, BFN!!! I put it to the side then I start wondering again! I HOPE next cycle IS NOT LIKE THIS!

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Originally Posted by amari

She also gave me progesterone b/c I asked about it, but she said she doesn't believe that it lengthens lp at all. Does it hurt a pink sway to take it? Do you think I should add that around O time?

I am thinking of using rephresh/sylk this month when not on clomid and just dtd from cd 14-25 just for the hell of it to see if anything happens, although I had those really bad days of eating batches of cookies, pizza, french toast, oatmeal, peanut butter and jelly etc. to appease my dh. Do you think that makes it a no go and I should just wait til next month?

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If you do the diet really strict this month then I would say go for it. As long as you are not going to have any regrets, because then I would tell you to wait.
I also do not believe that taking progesterone lengthens your lp at all -- from experience. I took it for all my IVF cycles and to be honest, my lp was shorter taking progesterone on the cycle than it is my natural cycles. My natural cycles I have a 14-15 day lp. My IVF cycles I only had a 13 day lp on progesterone. It is thought that if you have a higher progesterone level it sways girl. That is what vitex does. I personally would not add it on o day. You are not supposed to so I would not. You do not start taking progesterone until the day after ovulation.

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Originally Posted by Mochagirl

They said my midwife will have it within 2 business days, but I don't have an appt with her until February 22nd. I'm hoping she'll call instead of making me wait until then.

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Good luck with the scan results! They usually call right away if there is a problem, otherwise it seems they just don't say anything! I'm in Canada too - BC. I LOVE our midwives! Sometimes I could care less for the medical system with all the politics (ie why can't we see our own scan results, etc?! And heck, I wouldn't even try to ask about placenta position myself because our techs here wouldn't say anything at all!), but it is nice to be able to know you will be treated when you walk in :)

I'm glad I'm not the only one, jazzers! I was starting to wonder if it's just the clinic I go to and not a general Canadian thing, but most of my friends in different cities have had similar experiences with lack of info given to them during an u/s.

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Originally Posted by prayforprincess

If you do the diet really strict this month then I would say go for it. As long as you are not going to have any regrets, because then I would tell you to wait.
I also do not believe that taking progesterone lengthens your lp at all -- from experience. I took it for all my IVF cycles and to be honest, my lp was shorter taking progesterone on the cycle than it is my natural cycles. My natural cycles I have a 14-15 day lp. My IVF cycles I only had a 13 day lp on progesterone. It is thought that if you have a higher progesterone level it sways girl. That is what vitex does. I personally would not add it on o day. You are not supposed to so I would not. You do not start taking progesterone until the day after ovulation.

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Thanks for the info! I am trying to decide whether to take it. I have a friend who has 3 girls and she took it the day after O with all 3 of hers. I am leaning towards waiting until next month due to my diet. Who knows if I will even O this month since I"m not taking the clomid. Thank you!! I think I will do the vitex this month and stop when I get my next af.

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Originally Posted by Mochagirl

I'm glad I'm not the only one, jazzers! I was starting to wonder if it's just the clinic I go to and not a general Canadian thing, but most of my friends in different cities have had similar experiences with lack of info given to them during an u/s.

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It seems to come part and parcel with the universal health care for some reason. Personally, I think that lack of information, and sometimes the long waits to get in for certain procedures are the biggest downfall of our system, BUT, my parents live in the US and I don't think I would sleep at night knowing how much private medical costs ;) Geez, I'd be downright broke right now after the birth of our youngest son if I had to pay for his NICU stay! I actually found it interesting (well, irritating at the time) when my son was in the NICU almost a year ago, that they would do tests on him without consulting me; gave him his first bath without so much as telling me; and not "permitting" me to look at his charts. I personally think we have a right to that info, and it irks me that we can't just see it when we ask, but from what my midwife told me, technically in our system, that information belongs to the government, and we can request it, but it's not just handed over. Weird! I am actually a doula now, and have spent countless hours in the hospital with labouring women, and it never ceases to amaze me how once you get in those doors, the "system" seems to take over, and the choices are less transparent. Wow, that turned out to be quite the rant....LOL! I do love Canada and our healthcare system though, don't get me wrong!!!

Thanks to everyone for your advice, I actually feel so much better today and will most likely attempt in march. My d/h and i had a talk last night lots of tears from me because he just does not get it ( the swaying) He thinks it is so stupid and he is so angry at me for wanting to sway.. He really just wants me to get preg and wanted to try in feb and i some how talked him out of it and so now looks like march it is. He will not help me with my sway at all and i mean NOTHING at all so i am quite upset about it but i am just going to have to get strong and try my best to sway by myself. Its going to be a hard one !!

hi all mocha hun soooooooooooo happy your sway went we huni, heres hoping to a sticky pink bean !!

hi pinkin hun i hope you are feeling better huni, its a shame your DH wont hep with your sway, just stay calm and do what you can without his help hun,

amari hun what dose of clomid were you on before ! in the uk they start you on a low dose to see if it will make you ovulate, im on 50g and have ovulated on that all the times ive used it so far,

ok ladies im a bit scared, my DH is having a few weird things happen, hes lost half a stone since no meat, hes feeling very ill, last night he said he was freezing when infact he was burning up ! he was boiling to touch, he was violently shaking when coming to bed, he hasnt sept a wink he closes his eyes to wake up straight away, he keeps saying he feels scared and is thinking about weird stuff !!! like ducks !!! WTH !!! and he feels very weak all the time, im worried hes taking something that doesnt agree with him, hes on no meat diet, (lost half a stone) hes on 20,000 cranberrys fresh fruit equivallent, diet coke 100ml, cranberry light 3 glasses, whats wrong with him ???

Pink - So glad your feeling better. You doing what you can to sway is better than neither of you doing anything at all. :)

LMN7 - I hope it's nothing serious going on with your DH, Maybe he should cut back on the cranberry. My MIL had something similar about 6 months ago and when we took her to the ER they told us she was low on potassium! Are you tracking what he's eating? Is he getting enough potassium?

My Dh has also lost 30 lbs! not sure what that is in stones. He started out at 210 lbs and is now 178 lbs. He eats more than I do but still Lower on everything than pre-diet, low sodium, no red meat and chicken 1 or 2x a week. It's not fair :( I barely lost anything

I hope he feels better!

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Originally Posted by jazzers

It seems to come part and parcel with the universal health care for some reason. Personally, I think that lack of information, and sometimes the long waits to get in for certain procedures are the biggest downfall of our system, BUT, my parents live in the US and I don't think I would sleep at night knowing how much private medical costs ;)

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I agree - probably techs in the U.S. are more forthcoming because you're paying for their services. I wouldn't trade Canadian healthcare for the world, and if a little lack of information is the most I suffer because of it, I'll live with that! My Dad's been in the hospital for 3.5 months with various health problems - I can only imagine how much all that would have cost if we lived elsewhere - we would have probably all gone deeply into debt helping my Mom pay for his care.

me too hes been cutting out chicken maybe he should start eating some again, im not sure what to do, well ive already said hes to take only 2 cranberry tabs tomorrow instead of 4, hope that will help,

does the no breakfast go foe DH too ??

LMN7 - that sounds scary - your dh should see a doctor. I agree with purple sky that it could be lack of potassium - that's serious and as atomic always warns us, too little potassium can kill you if you're not careful.

weird he had loads of baked potatoes last night for his tea too, the ony thing he has cut out is his meat, but he ate that loads to be fair, you cant track potassium in foods in the uk they dont put it on there labels and when you call them up they say errrrrr i dont know how much is in this we dont have to ist it !!! ive pm'd AS i hope she replys soon,

Quick question, any of you ladies spot or bleed with O? I noticed red on my panties just a bit ago and EWCM, so may that happens on Clomid? And it's a boy full moon tonight I think!!!

LMN7 - I don't think your dh needs to skip breakfast. Mine does but he's been used to doing that for years already because of his busy mornings. The only time he used to eat breakfast was on the weekends but stopped when we started the diet.

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Originally Posted by pinkin2011

Thanks to everyone for your advice, I actually feel so much better today and will most likely attempt in march. My d/h and i had a talk last night lots of tears from me because he just does not get it ( the swaying) He thinks it is so stupid and he is so angry at me for wanting to sway.. He really just wants me to get preg and wanted to try in feb and i some how talked him out of it and so now looks like march it is. He will not help me with my sway at all and i mean NOTHING at all so i am quite upset about it but i am just going to have to get strong and try my best to sway by myself. Its going to be a hard one !!

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Pinkin, I told my DH (because he always seems to be away when I need him), that he should just leave some sperm in a cup in the fridge before he goes away and I'll do the rest! :rofl: Glad you were able to talk to him about it all anyway.

LMN7, it sounds more like a virus to me. It is likely unrelated to anything he is doing toward the sway. He obviously had a very high fever and rigors (shaking) and that can cause delerium and hallucinations. Firstly try some paracetamol to get the poor guys temp down and go from there. If you are worried about low potassium, feel his pulse on the inside of his wrist. With a fever, it is likely to be fast (over 100/min), but that is ok so long as the beats are regular. If his pulse feels slow, then fast, (jumping all over the place), or skipping beats, that can be an indicator of low potassium and/or low magnesium. GL- hope he feels better soon.

AF is starting for me. I will count CD1 as tomorrow (Thurs). Here we go, here we go, here we go...again! Should O somewhere around the 22nd or 23rd, but who knows with these cycles.

KraizyDaizy, I don't get spotting at O although I have heard some women do. I just get it for days before AF starts, I hate it.

thanks for all your advice ladies ive given him paracetamol and hes feeling a bit better, scared me to death though with the seeing ducks !!!! i think he went quackers for a while then lol,

peony i wish it was cd 1 for me today i want to start my clomid !!!

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Originally Posted by jazzers

It seems to come part and parcel with the universal health care for some reason. Personally, I think that lack of information, and sometimes the long waits to get in for certain procedures are the biggest downfall of our system, BUT, my parents live in the US and I don't think I would sleep at night knowing how much private medical costs ;) Geez, I'd be downright broke right now after the birth of our youngest son if I had to pay for his NICU stay! I actually found it interesting (well, irritating at the time) when my son was in the NICU almost a year ago, that they would do tests on him without consulting me; gave him his first bath without so much as telling me; and not "permitting" me to look at his charts. I personally think we have a right to that info, and it irks me that we can't just see it when we ask, but from what my midwife told me, technically in our system, that information belongs to the government, and we can request it, but it's not just handed over. Weird! I am actually a doula now, and have spent countless hours in the hospital with labouring women, and it never ceases to amaze me how once you get in those doors, the "system" seems to take over, and the choices are less transparent. Wow, that turned out to be quite the rant....LOL! I do love Canada and our healthcare system though, don't get me wrong!!!

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I'm a American in the UK who used to work in the healthcare system back home and now work for the NHS. I'm a loud supporter of universal healthcare as a result of the experiences in both and have really caused some noise with family back home if I see them sharing very inaccurate or not factual information about systems that provide healthcare for all, free at the point of service.

WhileI have always been able to ask questions here and was always given a copy of the report from the ultrasound, it could be a type of protocol in place for patient's in Canada, maybe that particular area? Protocol varies widely but it's always in the patient's best interest and not necessarily to withhold information. Possibly to make sure the report is accurate and thoroughly looked over, I.e. no information is shared after a CT/MRI here for clinical reasons as sometimes the answer/diagnosis/findings are not immediately obvious and for the patient it is best to make sure they are given a fully accurate diagnostic result.

YAY YAY YAY !!! cd1 for me !!!!

I wish it was CD1 for me. :(. I'm wondering if the later this goes on if I will even be able to attempt this month. I have to go to the states the week before Christmas so a baby must be over 6 weeks old and I also have to be well under 36 weeks preggo. I need to do the math to see if attempting this month is even possible... the longer this cycle drags on. Officially 1 week late for AF!

A later AF means a later O which means later in November due date = I might not be able to attempt this month!!! Ughhhhhhhhhh. :( :(

I've done the math... if my AF had started when
It was due this month might have been possible, but now timing wise, I
May have to wait to TTC until May. :(

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Originally Posted by KraizyDaizy

Quick question, any of you ladies spot or bleed with O? I noticed red on my panties just a bit ago and EWCM, so may that happens on Clomid? And it's a boy full moon tonight I think!!!

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The only time I've ever spotted with O was this most recent cycle, my BFP cycle! Apparently it can indicate a strong ovulation. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by suregena

WhileI have always been able to ask questions here and was always given a copy of the report from the ultrasound, it could be a type of protocol in place for patient's in Canada, maybe that particular area? Protocol varies widely but it's always in the patient's best interest and not necessarily to withhold information. Possibly to make sure the report is accurate and thoroughly looked over, I.e. no information is shared after a CT/MRI here for clinical reasons as sometimes the answer/diagnosis/findings are not immediately obvious and for the patient it is best to make sure they are given a fully accurate diagnostic result.

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Yep - that's the reason they give. u/s techs aren't doctors, and they don't want to give us erroneous medical information. We are supposed to follow up with our doctors if we want to get that information.

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Originally Posted by suregena

I've done the math... if my AF had started when
It was due this month might have been possible, but now timing wise, I
May have to wait to TTC until May. :(

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I'm so sorry, hun. Why is it you don't want a November baby again?

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Originally Posted by Mochagirl

The only time I've ever spotted with O was this most recent cycle, my BFP cycle! Apparently it can indicate a strong ovulation. Good luck!

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Oh, thanks Mocha!!! I hope this is my BFP cycle!!!!

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Originally Posted by littlemissnaughty7

hi all mocha hun soooooooooooo happy your sway went we huni, heres hoping to a sticky pink bean !!

hi pinkin hun i hope you are feeling better huni, its a shame your DH wont hep with your sway, just stay calm and do what you can without his help hun,

amari hun what dose of clomid were you on before ! in the uk they start you on a low dose to see if it will make you ovulate, im on 50g and have ovulated on that all the times ive used it so far,

ok ladies im a bit scared, my DH is having a few weird things happen, hes lost half a stone since no meat, hes feeling very ill, last night he said he was freezing when infact he was burning up ! he was boiling to touch, he was violently shaking when coming to bed, he hasnt sept a wink he closes his eyes to wake up straight away, he keeps saying he feels scared and is thinking about weird stuff !!! like ducks !!! WTH !!! and he feels very weak all the time, im worried hes taking something that doesnt agree with him, hes on no meat diet, (lost half a stone) hes on 20,000 cranberrys fresh fruit equivallent, diet coke 100ml, cranberry light 3 glasses, whats wrong with him ???

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That is really scary and I would take him in to see someone immediately. Did you take his temperature? Maybe he is hallucinating from a temp spike? I would take his temp, if it is high give him something to bring it down and then either way take him in to see someone. Let us know how he is doing, hun. Hope he is ok.

LMN - I'd take your DH to see the doctor, and to stop his diet and supps. There's no real swaying benefit to him doing the diet, and you can lower his sperm count naturally with frequency instead...
perhaps he is just coming down with a virus, though

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Originally Posted by Mochagirl

I'm so sorry, hun. Why is it you don't want a November baby again?

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I am going to the US before Xmas, probably a week before, and you can't fly (as far as I am aware) with an infant under 6 weeks and also you cannot fly if you're over 36 weeks pregnant. I would loooooooove a November baby, it's my birthday month and several other strong women in my family's birthdays, I.e. grandmother, my mother, my sister in law... it would be wonderful. But my AF is so late that I think a due dte would cut it too close with when I'd need to travel.... :(

hi all well i took DH to the docs and he has a nasty viral infection, he told the doc about our sway and the supps and he said it wasnt to do with that .....phew !!! his temp in the night was 38.8'C which is high !! but he seems much better now, hes sleeping it off as he didnt go back to sleep after the duck thing (nor did i for that matter) but it scared the hell outta me !!!! i was asleep and he was like "hey babe.... i keep seeing rubber ducks....." i shot out the bed and was ready to beat the hell out of a yellow ducky but of course nothing was there lol, theres a horrible virus going round at the mo and the doctor is sure thats what he has, so i feel better knowing its not the sway but boy did i panic !

suregena you could always try the parsley tea thing to bring on your late AF,